From: Tom C
From: John Sessoms
I'm going to try to let this be my last response because it's gotten
really repetitious.
You make a valid point instead of just endlessly repeating that "it goes
to eleven". If I were "still stuck with a K10D", the K-5 might appeal to
me as an upgrade.
Although .
> From: John Sessoms
> I'm going to try to let this be my last response because it's gotten
> really repetitious.
>
> You make a valid point instead of just endlessly repeating that "it goes
> to eleven". If I were "still stuck with a K10D", the K-5 might appeal to
> me as an upgrade.
>
> Although
From: Matthew Hunt
On Thu, Nov 1, 2012 at 10:33 PM, John Sessoms wrote:
The incremental increase in pixel count & the better auto-focus with
lenses I don't have and am not going to buy don't impress me. Nor the
other "improvements". The weather resistance would be nice to have but
by itself do
If you're happy with the K20D, I don't see why you should change it.
K-5's (sensor) limits are definitely much higher, but if you use the
K20D where it gives good results...
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On Fri, Nov 2, 2012 at 6:38 PM, John Sessoms wrote:
> It's still not enough to make me want t
t: RE: After reading the K5xxx reviews ...
From: "J.C. O'Connell"
> You can get a k5 for $900 not $1200.
If it's worth that much to you buy it.
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It's still not enough to make me want to buy one.
Thank you very much.
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Matthew, to John:
On Thu, Nov 1, 2012 at 10:33 PM, John Sessoms nc.rr.com> wrote:
The incremental increase in pixel count & the better auto-focus with
lenses I don't have and am not going to buy don't impress me. Nor
the
other "improvements". The weather resistance would be nice to have
but
On Thu, Nov 1, 2012 at 10:33 PM, John Sessoms wrote:
> The incremental increase in pixel count & the better auto-focus with
> lenses I don't have and am not going to buy don't impress me. Nor the
> other "improvements". The weather resistance would be nice to have but
> by itself does not add eno
John, I am sorry but you have a little mistake here. K10D was 10MP not 12.
I have upgraded from K10D to K-7 and then to K-5. Here are the
advantages that K-5 has over K10D in my personal view (in random order
with only very partial sense of priority):
1. Dynamic range/High ISO performance/14-
Or, come to that, ever found yourself limited by the mere 12MP of the K10D?
Discounting a K5 because it only offers an additional 1.7MP over a K20D
implies that the extra megapixel count is a valuable feature, which I question.
I'd happily have bought my K5 even if it didn't offer more MP than the
Have you actually tried using a K-5 instead of just reading the specifications?
On Thu, Nov 1, 2012 at 11:21 PM, John Sessoms wrote:
> From: Larry Colen
>
>
>> On Nov 1, 2012, at 11:25 AM, John Sessoms wrote:
>>
>>
What, specifically, are you looking for in a DSLR? Other than that
it c
From: Larry Colen
On Nov 1, 2012, at 11:25 AM, John Sessoms wrote:
What, specifically, are you looking for in a DSLR? Other than that
it costs less than $800? In bright light it's pretty hard to see any
effective difference in image quality of just about any DSLR this
side of the K100.
Wh
From: Alexandru-Cristian Sarbu
On Thu, Nov 1, 2012 at 7:29 PM, John Sessoms wrote:
From: Alexandru-Cristian Sarbu
The K-5's 16MP Sony sensor is a huge improvement over the 14MP Samsung
one. With the K20D, details in shadows were pretty much covered by
huge amounts of noise; with the K-5, one
From: "J.C. O'Connell"
You can get a k5 for $900 not $1200.
If it's worth that much to you buy it.
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On Nov 1, 2012, at 11:46 AM, Matthew Hunt wrote:
> On Thu, Nov 1, 2012 at 2:38 PM, Larry Colen wrote:
>
>> So you do understand that if PRIC needs to start from a clean slate on a
>> project, it's going to take a while to get the job done? And that in the
>> mean time if they can address som
On Nov 1, 2012, at 11:25 AM, John Sessoms wrote:
>> What, specifically, are you looking for in a DSLR? Other than that
>> it costs less than $800? In bright light it's pretty hard to see any
>> effective difference in image quality of just about any DSLR this
>> side of the K100.
>
> What I w
On Thu, Nov 1, 2012 at 2:38 PM, Larry Colen wrote:
> So you do understand that if PRIC needs to start from a clean slate on a
> project, it's going to take a while to get the job done? And that in the
> mean time if they can address some of the key problems with the K5 without
> taking too mu
On Thu, Nov 1, 2012 at 2:25 PM, John Sessoms wrote:
> What I want is to buy a camera (if/when one ever comes along) that
> offers me sufficient improvement over what I have now to be worth the
> price - whatever that price might be. I hope that camera will be offered
> by Pentax.
>
> K-5 ain't it
On Nov 1, 2012, at 3:38 AM, Collin Brendemuehl wrote:
> Larry,
>
> Yes, I have done embedded systems and have also taken products from concept
> to market. Been there, done that.
So you do understand that if PRIC needs to start from a clean slate on a
project, it's going to take a while to g
On 31/10/2012 6:41 PM, Larry Colen wrote:
On Oct 31, 2012, at 5:31 PM, Mark Roberts wrote:
John Francis wrote:
I'm still trying to wrap my mind around the idea of the K-5 not being a
worthwhile upgrade from a K10D.
Ain't that the truth! The K20D was a significant upgrade from the K10D
in
From: Larry Colen
That's not what I want. My point is that the Vette is a fairly
expensive car, just as the K-5 is a fairly expensive camera. However,
it outperforms cars that cost quite a bit more than it does, and for
that matter, the vast majority of people who own one. Feel free to
draw an
You can get a k5 for $900 not $1200.
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Subject: Re: After reading the
From: Alexandru-Cristian Sarbu
The K-5's 16MP Sony sensor is a huge improvement over the 14MP Samsung
one. With the K20D, details in shadows were pretty much covered by
huge amounts of noise; with the K-5, one can easily recover images
underexposed by several stops.
And you're getting not only a
On Nov 1, 2012, at 8:40 AM, Boris Liberman wrote:
> Reply interspersed...
>
> On Thu, Nov 1, 2012 at 1:26 PM, Paul Stenquist
> wrote:
>> A couple of points in response:
>> My DA* 60-250 failed after more than 30,000 frames and was repaired for
>> $183.00. It's a fabulous lens, and , I believ
Reply interspersed...
On Thu, Nov 1, 2012 at 1:26 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote:
> A couple of points in response:
> My DA* 60-250 failed after more than 30,000 frames and was repaired for
> $183.00. It's a fabulous lens, and , I believe, at least the equal of
> anything available in that range.
Op
On Nov 1, 2012, at 12:40 AM, Boris Liberman wrote:
> On 10/31/2012 4:39 PM, Alexandru-Cristian Sarbu wrote:
>> Such conclusions are premature; the product we saw so far (from
>> October 2011) are "Pentax-Hoya" projects. There simply wasn't enough
>> time (less than a year, including analyzing th
Collin,
I agree, those "context switches" weren't easy on them, and roller
coaster corporate ride is a good way to describe what it happened (the
founder family lost control when Pentax become publicly owned, which
allowed Sparx to push Pentax into Hoya's arms, and finally Hoya sold
them to Ricoh
Larry,
Yes, I have done embedded systems and have also taken products from concept to
market. Been there, done that.
What I have not done is taken part is the corporate shift that saw Pentax move
from (1) Family Owned, to (2) Public Ownership, to (3) Hoya, to (4) Ricoh. I
think that transiti
You can always recognize people who use complex spreadsheets to make decisions
that are best left to the heart.
K-5… Sigh… It's a thing of beauty.
On Nov 1, 2012, at 00:21 , John Sessoms wrote:
> Y'all keep harping on how much "improvement" the K-5 has and keep ignoring
> the "justify the e
On Oct 31, 2012, at 10:11 PM, John Sessoms wrote:
> From: Larry Colen
>
>> A couple of automotive analogies occur to me.
>>
>> First of all, complaining that the K-5 isn't full frame is like
>> complaining that the Corvette doesn't have a V12.
>>
>> It also seems to me that the folks who buy a
>
> From: Larry Colen
>
> > A couple of automotive analogies occur to me.
> >
car analogies are like photographs of ducks. Easy, boring and never
enlightening. If you find yourself tempted to make one, you should always
strongly resist the urge, and if you succumb, never, ever share them with
ot
scription checked lately?
I've recently been reviewing images from my K10D, K-7, and K-5, and
the improvement is just stunning in every way.
And, it ain't the photographer!
Rick
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http://photo.net/photos/RickW
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Se
On 1 November 2012 05:51, Larry Colen wrote:
>
> Lets look at the K-5. When it comes to low light work, it is
> absofuckinglutely amazing. In some ways it is close to on par with a D700.
> The D800 increases the resolution over the D700, but for low light it's not a
> lot better. The Canon
From: Larry Colen
A couple of automotive analogies occur to me.
First of all, complaining that the K-5 isn't full frame is like
complaining that the Corvette doesn't have a V12.
It also seems to me that the folks who buy a DSLR based on its
automatic features are like people who buy a sports c
Reply interspersed.
On 10/31/2012 8:51 PM, Larry Colen wrote:
Colin, have you ever developed a new technology product from the
initial "customer requirements" to shipping?
I did, though it was a software piece.
How much time have you spent designing, writing and testing embedded
firmware?
On 10/31/2012 9:25 PM, Paul Sorenson wrote:
Well said, Larry. I passed up the K-7 in favor of the K-x because of
its low light capabilities and am absolutely ecstatic with the K-5.
Maybe I'm just too easy to please. Then again, I have a nearly 50 year
history with Pentax and can remember Kodach
On 10/31/2012 4:39 PM, Alexandru-Cristian Sarbu wrote:
Such conclusions are premature; the product we saw so far (from
October 2011) are "Pentax-Hoya" projects. There simply wasn't enough
time (less than a year, including analyzing the business and
formulating a plan) to build a "true" Pentax Ric
For me, it means a better value:price ratio than what I see in the K-5.
That's what originally attracted me to Pentax.
I'm not knocking the K-5 or the K-5II. I'm just stating that it's not
enough of an improvement over what I've already got for me to justify
the price.
YMMV.
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>From my perspective, as good as the K-7 & K-5 were, they just didn't
offer enough improvement over the K10D to justify the expense.
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>You do realize that a quantum change is the absolute smallest possible change?
Small for you and me. But HUGE for an electron!
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On Oct 31, 2012, at 5:31 PM, Mark Roberts wrote:
> John Francis wrote:
>
>> I'm still trying to wrap my mind around the idea of the K-5 not being a
>> worthwhile upgrade from a K10D.
>
> Ain't that the truth! The K20D was a significant upgrade from the K10D
> in terms of image quality and AF.
John Francis wrote:
>I'm still trying to wrap my mind around the idea of the K-5 not being a
>worthwhile upgrade from a K10D.
Ain't that the truth! The K20D was a significant upgrade from the K10D
in terms of image quality and AF. The K-7 offered little image quality
benefit over the K20D but im
On Wed, Oct 31, 2012 at 12:48:09PM -0700, Larry Colen wrote:
>
>
> First of all, complaining that the K-5 isn't full frame is like complaining
> that the Corvette doesn't have a V12.
>
> It also seems to me that the folks who buy a DSLR based on its automatic
> features are like people who buy
If anyone feels any need to inflict the misery of Pentax upon me from
beyond the grave, by all means -- remember me in your will. I love old crap.
-- Walt
On 10/31/2012 9:20 AM, Collin Brendemuehl wrote:
It's difficult for me to conclude anything except that Pentax
just does not have the capac
On Oct 31, 2012, at 12:25 PM, Paul Sorenson wrote:
> Well said, Larry. I passed up the K-7 in favor of the K-x because of its low
> light capabilities and am absolutely ecstatic with the K-5. Maybe I'm just
> too easy to please. Then again, I have a nearly 50 year history with Pentax
> and c
Well said, Larry. I passed up the K-7 in favor of the K-x because of
its low light capabilities and am absolutely ecstatic with the K-5.
Maybe I'm just too easy to please. Then again, I have a nearly 50 year
history with Pentax and can remember Kodachrome at ASA 12 and *High
Speed* Ektachrome
On Oct 31, 2012, at 12:05 PM, Toine wrote:
> A few weeks ago someone asked me this question after browsing my site:
>
> "Which camera do you use, either it must be canon or nikon?
> which one - I think it's canon 600 D?
> kindly let me know as I get one of those you have."
>
> My answer was 90%
A few weeks ago someone asked me this question after browsing my site:
"Which camera do you use, either it must be canon or nikon?
which one - I think it's canon 600 D?
kindly let me know as I get one of those you have."
My answer was 90% K10D, K20D and today the K5!
ROFL
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On Oct 31, 2012, at 7:20 AM, Collin Brendemuehl wrote:
> It's difficult for me to conclude anything except that Pentax
> just does not have the capacity to produce anything more advanced.
> All the buyer gets is a few tweaks.
> Baby steps are not adequate in today's technology world.
Colin, have
And those core values are? The K5 is an excellent camera for the
price. The K30 is probably even better in terms of "per dollar".
Weather sealed and most of the K5 IQ with better AF. We are the ones
thta have changed. We all harken back tot he days when Pentax
released a new body every 5 years
On Oct 31, 2012, at 1:27 PM, Mark Roberts wrote:
> I don't understand the fuss. Even the notoriously
> "lukewarm-about-Pentax" DP Review described the K-5 as "arguably the
> best" of the APS-C cameras. The new models represent worthwhile
> improvements over the K-5. True, the upper-level "prosum
From: Mark Roberts
I don't understand the fuss. Even the notoriously
"lukewarm-about-Pentax" DP Review described the K-5 as "arguably the
best" of the APS-C cameras. The new models represent worthwhile
improvements over the K-5. True, the upper-level "prosumer" market
(where Pentax top-of-the-li
oberts
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I don't understand the fuss. Even the notoriously
"lukewarm-about-Pentax" DP Review described the K-5 as "arguably the
best" of the APS-
x36mm system.
I still think K-5 and K-5 II is the best aps-c system on the market today.
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I don't understand the fuss. Even the notoriously
"lukewarm-about-Pentax" DP Review described the K-5 as "arguably the
best" of the APS-C cameras. The new models represent worthwhile
improvements over the K-5. True, the upper-level "prosumer" market
(where Pentax top-of-the-line DSLRs have traditio
From: "Collin Brendemuehl"
It's difficult for me to conclude anything except that Pentax
just does not have the capacity to produce anything more advanced.
All the buyer gets is a few tweaks.
Baby steps are not adequate in today's technology world.
They needs a new partner -- someone larger tha
Pentax/Ricoh is probably working on a FF body. They will never be as
fast as Nikon or Canon, and Apple/Google would just absorb them. I
really think that Ricoh is the best we could have hoped for in that
they actually want to make cameras.
On Wed, Oct 31, 2012 at 10:39 AM, Alexandru-Cristian Sar
On Wed, Oct 31, 2012 at 4:20 PM, Collin Brendemuehl
wrote:
> It's difficult for me to conclude anything except that Pentax
> just does not have the capacity to produce anything more advanced.
> All the buyer gets is a few tweaks.
> Baby steps are not adequate in today's technology world.
>
> They
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