RE: BAD NEWS: Pentax +Samsung DSLRs

2005-10-15 Thread Malcolm Smith
John Forbes wrote: Ach, that's nowt. My Quad 303 amp, purchased in Jamaica in 1976, still gives excellent service, though I did have the capacitors changed nine years ago. I'll change them again in 2016. I'm sorry I don't still have the electrostatic speakers. In a world where only the

RE: BAD NEWS: Pentax +Samsung DSLRs

2005-10-15 Thread Shel Belinkoff
The most satisfying cameras I own are about 45~ 50 years old. No added bells and whistles. Real quality is built in, not added on. Bells and whistles are nice, but will we still hear a pleasant, harmonious tune in ten or twenty years? Shel [Original Message] From: Malcolm Smith In a

Re: BAD NEWS: Pentax +Samsung DSLRs

2005-10-15 Thread Cotty
On 15/10/05, Malcolm Smith, discombobulated, unleashed: and a receiver that still works perfectly and is very sensitive that was built in the middle part of WW2. Cool! Can you still hear 'Listen With Mother' on it? Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|

RE: BAD NEWS: Pentax +Samsung DSLRs

2005-10-15 Thread Malcolm Smith
Cotty wrote: and a receiver that still works perfectly and is very sensitive that was built in the middle part of WW2. Cool! Can you still hear 'Listen With Mother' on it? LOL! It's put away in storage at the moment as with growing children, space is at a premium and it needs a study

Re: BAD NEWS: Pentax +Samsung DSLRs

2005-10-15 Thread Cotty
On 15/10/05, Malcolm Smith, discombobulated, unleashed: it's scary to think that the original owner heard the war time speeches broadcast on it. It's history you can physically touch! Excellent. Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|

Re: Re: BAD NEWS: Pentax +Samsung DSLRs

2005-10-14 Thread mike wilson
From: E.R.N. Reed [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2005/10/14 Fri AM 02:31:06 GMT To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Subject: Re: BAD NEWS: Pentax +Samsung DSLRs mike wilson wrote: NEED it? I don't even WANT it! 8-) Mark, I hate to keep bugging you, but ... I wrote something

Re: BAD NEWS: Pentax +Samsung DSLRs

2005-10-14 Thread Jostein
-discuss@pdml.net To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Subject: Re: BAD NEWS: Pentax +Samsung DSLRs Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 20:54:31 -0400 You don't think these guys are going to buy a $200 TV. Why they would be laughed out of their country club, and the yacht club would sink their boat (sorry, 200

Re: BAD NEWS: Pentax +Samsung DSLRs

2005-10-14 Thread John Forbes
, William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - Original Message - From: Tom C Subject: Re: BAD NEWS: Pentax +Samsung DSLRs I could still have only the Kenwood component system I bought in 1981 (which I still use and is beautifully simple and elegant)... I am still using, and enjoying, a JVC

Re: BAD NEWS: Pentax +Samsung DSLRs

2005-10-14 Thread keith_w
Anthony Farr wrote: -Original Message- From: Rob Studdert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (prior message snipped) CRTs are too costly to ship and produce and new technologies always demand a premium especially when there are marketable benefits and cool technology labels. It's

Re: Televisions (Was BAD NEWS: Pentax +Samsung DSLRs)

2005-10-14 Thread Paul Stenquist
For me a television is mainly a way to view films at home. The only programming I watch on anywhere near a regular basis is sporting events. But home theater has long been a pleasant way to bring at least some of my large family together. And since we generally avoid commercial theaters, the

Re: BAD NEWS: Pentax +Samsung DSLRs

2005-10-14 Thread Rob Studdert
On 14 Oct 2005 at 3:40, keith_w wrote: This is pertinent, as I'm looking at that very range myself. On reflectin, it seems to me the problem might be coming from having the CRT adhere to the display ratio... If the screen dieplay was square, I'll bet all squiggless would go away. But, that

Re: BAD NEWS: Pentax +Samsung DSLRs

2005-10-14 Thread Mark Roberts
John Forbes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ach, that's nowt. My Quad 303 amp, purchased in Jamaica in 1976, still gives excellent service, though I did have the capacitors changed nine years ago. I'll change them again in 2016. Great little amp, that. I used to have one. I'm sorry I don't still

Re: BAD NEWS: Pentax +Samsung DSLRs

2005-10-14 Thread Mark Roberts
E.R.N. Reed [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: mike wilson wrote: NEED it? I don't even WANT it! 8-) Mark, I hate to keep bugging you, but ... LOL! You're right about this one, though! (And several others you've pointed out in the past. Thanks.) -- Mark Roberts Photography and writing

Re: BAD NEWS: Pentax +Samsung DSLRs

2005-10-14 Thread Kostas Kavoussanakis
On Fri, 14 Oct 2005, keith_w wrote: Anthony Farr wrote: Last year we needed a new TV so bought a Panasonic 76cm, 16:9 ratio CRT. It was unmitigated crap. This is pertinent, as I'm looking at that very range myself. Very useful range indeed, only I prefer 4:3. A good illustration for

Re: BAD NEWS: Pentax +Samsung DSLRs

2005-10-14 Thread Kostas Kavoussanakis
On Fri, 14 Oct 2005, Rob Studdert wrote: light and compact high frequency switch mode PSUs. These don't need to be weighty to have good performance but a high performance supply has a comparably high cost so that's a place that quality is often compromised. Can one upgrade those (or if as

Re: Re: BAD NEWS: Pentax +Samsung DSLRs

2005-10-14 Thread mike wilson
From: Kostas Kavoussanakis [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2005/10/14 Fri PM 12:41:29 GMT To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Subject: Re: BAD NEWS: Pentax +Samsung DSLRs On Fri, 14 Oct 2005, keith_w wrote: Anthony Farr wrote: Last year we needed a new TV so bought a Panasonic 76cm, 16:9 ratio

Re: BAD NEWS: Pentax +Samsung DSLRs

2005-10-14 Thread Cotty
On 13/10/05, Tom C, discombobulated, unleashed: I don't even NEED my first SLR, the MX. Thomas Cakal you wash your mouth out with soap!!! Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _

Re: BAD NEWS: Pentax +Samsung DSLRs

2005-10-14 Thread Cotty
On 13/10/05, William Robb, discombobulated, unleashed: I am still using, and enjoying, a JVC AX-5 amp and Celestion Ditton 332 speakers on a daily basis. I purchased that equipment new in June of 1981. Yo! Celestion Ditton 130s here. 1982. Nice one! Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) |

Re: BAD NEWS: Pentax +Samsung DSLRs

2005-10-14 Thread P. J. Alling
Not likely with modern equipment. It's almost formed as a piece. Kostas Kavoussanakis wrote: On Fri, 14 Oct 2005, Rob Studdert wrote: light and compact high frequency switch mode PSUs. These don't need to be weighty to have good performance but a high performance supply has a comparably

Re: BAD NEWS: Pentax +Samsung DSLRs

2005-10-14 Thread keith_w
Rob Studdert wrote: On 14 Oct 2005 at 3:40, keith_w wrote: This is pertinent, as I'm looking at that very range myself. On reflectin, it seems to me the problem might be coming from having the CRT adhere to the display ratio... If the screen dieplay was square, I'll bet all squiggles would

Re: BAD NEWS: Pentax +Samsung DSLRs

2005-10-14 Thread Mark Roberts
P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not likely with modern equipment. It's almost formed as a piece. These days the entire TV set is almost formed as a piece ;-) Seriously, when I was an A/V tech I remember getting a modern Korean/Japanese/whatever set to repair (it's usually the older sets

Re: BAD NEWS: Pentax +Samsung DSLRs

2005-10-13 Thread dagt
fra: frank theriault [EMAIL PROTECTED] On 10/12/05, Jostein [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The Canon-envy on this list is truly of Freudian proportions. the freud-envy is of canonesque proportions? seriously, it doesn't matter to some on this list what pentax announces/does. it will

RE: BAD NEWS: Pentax +Samsung DSLRs

2005-10-13 Thread Gautam Sarup
] Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2005 8:27 PM To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Subject: Re: BAD NEWS: Pentax +Samsung DSLRs - Original Message - From: Gautam Sarup Subject: RE: BAD NEWS: Pentax +Samsung DSLRs The question IMO is can Sansung/Pentax sell enough cameras with cheap

Re: BAD NEWS: Pentax +Samsung DSLRs

2005-10-13 Thread Paul Stenquist
I've been impressed with the Samsung TVs as well. I'm looking for a 50-inch plasma. So far the very best seems to be Pioneer Elite. In terms of picture quality, Sony is a distant fourth behind Pioneer, Samsung and Phillips. On Oct 13, 2005, at 1:35 AM, Tom C wrote: From: Gonz [EMAIL

Re: BAD NEWS: Pentax +Samsung DSLRs

2005-10-13 Thread Toralf Lund
graywolf wrote: The sensor in the DCS-14 cameras were not made by Kodak, they outsourced them. Surely that was one of the reasons why they discontinued those cameras? They were Nikons/Canons with a sensor produced by a forget who, but someone other than Kodak. Seems to me that continuing

Re: BAD NEWS: Pentax +Samsung DSLRs

2005-10-13 Thread Kenneth Waller
He's a Canadian, he has a chain saw GRIN I guess that means he's a lumber jack - He'OK BIGGER GRIN Kenneth Waller -Original Message- From: graywolf [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: BAD NEWS: Pentax +Samsung DSLRs He's a Canadian, he has a chain saw GRIN. graywolf http

Re: BAD NEWS: Pentax +Samsung DSLRs

2005-10-13 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: Gautam Sarup Subject: RE: BAD NEWS: Pentax +Samsung DSLRs If they would. Nothing wrong with making cameras that take bad quality pictures. You forgot the smiley William Robb

Re: BAD NEWS: Pentax +Samsung DSLRs

2005-10-13 Thread Mark Roberts
Toralf Lund [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: graywolf wrote: The sensor in the DCS-14 cameras were not made by Kodak, they outsourced them. Surely that was one of the reasons why they discontinued those cameras? The sensor for the DCS-14 cameras was made by Fill Factory... which is owned by Kodak.

Re: BAD NEWS: Pentax +Samsung DSLRs

2005-10-13 Thread P. J. Alling
The DCS-14n was built out of Nikon body parts , the DCS-14c seemed to be built out of Sigma body parts with a EOS lens mount, the Camera electronics and functions followed the manufacture of the body parts style. The Sensor and support electronics were farmed out to someone else entirely.

Re: BAD NEWS: Pentax +Samsung DSLRs

2005-10-13 Thread Bob Shell
On Thursday, October 13, 2005, at 10:35 AM, P. J. Alling wrote: The DCS-14n was built out of Nikon body parts , the DCS-14c seemed to be built out of Sigma body parts with a EOS lens mount, the Camera electronics and functions followed the manufacture of the body parts style. The Sensor

Re: BAD NEWS: Pentax +Samsung DSLRs

2005-10-13 Thread Bob Shell
On Thursday, October 13, 2005, at 09:15 AM, Mark Roberts wrote: The sensor for the DCS-14 cameras was made by Fill Factory... which is owned by Kodak. Where did you hear that FillFactory is owned by Kodak? There is corporate information on their web site, but it makes no mention of

Re: BAD NEWS: Pentax +Samsung DSLRs

2005-10-13 Thread Mark Roberts
Bob Shell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thursday, October 13, 2005, at 09:15 AM, Mark Roberts wrote: The sensor for the DCS-14 cameras was made by Fill Factory... which is owned by Kodak. Where did you hear that FillFactory is owned by Kodak? Friends in the digital sensor division at Kodak. I

Re: BAD NEWS: Pentax +Samsung DSLRs

2005-10-13 Thread Tom C
with a screen 3 - 5 inches larger than otherwise. Tom C. From: Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Subject: Re: BAD NEWS: Pentax +Samsung DSLRs Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 06:38:46 -0400 I've been impressed with the Samsung TVs as well. I'm

Re: BAD NEWS: Pentax +Samsung DSLRs

2005-10-13 Thread keith_w
prices during those 13 years while my good ol' Sony was hanging in there. keith == still shell shocked! From: Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Subject: Re: BAD NEWS: Pentax +Samsung DSLRs Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 06:38:46 -0400

Re: BAD NEWS: Pentax +Samsung DSLRs

2005-10-13 Thread Tom C
Well you know I could be throwig all this money at Pentax, but guess what? They won't come out with a camera I wish to purchase... :) Tom C. From: keith_w [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Subject: Re: BAD NEWS: Pentax +Samsung DSLRs Date: Thu

Re: BAD NEWS: Pentax +Samsung DSLRs

2005-10-13 Thread P. J. Alling
Kodak used to be the overall holding company for things photographic, I believe at one time they owned a piece of every publicly traded company that manufactured something related to the photo industry. Mark Roberts wrote: Bob Shell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thursday, October 13,

Re: BAD NEWS: Pentax +Samsung DSLRs

2005-10-13 Thread P. J. Alling
closer attention to TV prices during those 13 years while my good ol' Sony was hanging in there. keith == still shell shocked! From: Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Subject: Re: BAD NEWS: Pentax +Samsung DSLRs Date: Thu, 13 Oct

Re: BAD NEWS: Pentax +Samsung DSLRs

2005-10-13 Thread mike wilson
Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Subject: Re: BAD NEWS: Pentax +Samsung DSLRs Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 06:38:46 -0400 I've been impressed with the Samsung TVs as well. I'm looking for a 50-inch plasma. So far the very best seems to be Pioneer Elite

Re: BAD NEWS: Pentax +Samsung DSLRs

2005-10-13 Thread Tom C
Mike Wilson wrote: The real bottom line? This is not about TVs. It's about the size of your genitals. TV is hardly worth the electricity, never mind the apparatus. --- Uh... OK, I'll let my wife know. Tom C. (watches very litle mainstream TV) (wants to watch What's My Line

Re: BAD NEWS: Pentax +Samsung DSLRs

2005-10-13 Thread keith_w
mike wilson wrote: [...] The real bottom line? This is not about TVs. What isn't? It's about the size of your genitals. Huh? TV is hardly worth the electricity, never mind the apparatus. Maybe the TV you watch... We never watch commercial TV programming anymore. A few select

Re: BAD NEWS: Pentax +Samsung DSLRs

2005-10-13 Thread Kostas Kavoussanakis
On Thu, 13 Oct 2005, keith_w wrote: But, all that 's beside the original point. This particular conversation isn't about watching TV, it's supposed to be about the horrid cost of television receivers today, regardless of the end use to which it's put. Yes, what happened to CRTs? Do you need

Re: BAD NEWS: Pentax +Samsung DSLRs

2005-10-13 Thread Rob Studdert
On 13 Oct 2005 at 22:41, Kostas Kavoussanakis wrote: On Thu, 13 Oct 2005, keith_w wrote: But, all that 's beside the original point. This particular conversation isn't about watching TV, it's supposed to be about the horrid cost of television receivers today, regardless of the end use

Re: BAD NEWS: Pentax +Samsung DSLRs

2005-10-13 Thread Tom C
I like the look of the LCD sets a little better and the burn in that can occur with plasma is worrying. Where do you live? Tom C. From: keith_w [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Subject: Re: BAD NEWS: Pentax +Samsung DSLRs Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005

Re: BAD NEWS: Pentax +Samsung DSLRs

2005-10-13 Thread keith_w
Kostas Kavoussanakis wrote: On Thu, 13 Oct 2005, keith_w wrote: But, all that 's beside the original point. This particular conversation isn't about watching TV, it's supposed to be about the horrid cost of television receivers today, regardless of the end use to which it's put. Yes,

Re: BAD NEWS: Pentax +Samsung DSLRs

2005-10-13 Thread keith_w
Rob Studdert wrote: On 13 Oct 2005 at 22:41, Kostas Kavoussanakis wrote: On Thu, 13 Oct 2005, keith_w wrote: But, all that 's beside the original point. This particular conversation isn't about watching TV, it's supposed to be about the horrid cost of television receivers today,

Re: BAD NEWS: Pentax +Samsung DSLRs

2005-10-13 Thread mike wilson
Tom C wrote: Mike Wilson wrote: The real bottom line? This is not about TVs. It's about the size of your genitals. TV is hardly worth the electricity, never mind the apparatus. --- Uh... OK, I'll let my wife know. Tom C. (watches very litle mainstream TV) (wants to watch

Re: BAD NEWS: Pentax +Samsung DSLRs

2005-10-13 Thread mike wilson
keith_w wrote: mike wilson wrote: [...] The real bottom line? This is not about TVs. What isn't? It's about the size of your genitals. Huh? TV is hardly worth the electricity, never mind the apparatus. Maybe the TV you watch... Or not. We never watch commercial TV

Re: BAD NEWS: Pentax +Samsung DSLRs

2005-10-13 Thread mike wilson
Kostas Kavoussanakis wrote: On Thu, 13 Oct 2005, keith_w wrote: But, all that 's beside the original point. This particular conversation isn't about watching TV, it's supposed to be about the horrid cost of television receivers today, regardless of the end use to which it's put. Yes,

Re: BAD NEWS: Pentax +Samsung DSLRs

2005-10-13 Thread keith_w
Tom C wrote: I was looking at 40 LCD and a 42 Plasma for around $2850 $3150 respectively. Not that I think those prices are good. I haven't begun to compare online prices from non-major retailers yet. Yeah, it's expensive (my wife will never know what it costs, or I will never be getting

Re: BAD NEWS: Pentax +Samsung DSLRs

2005-10-13 Thread Kostas Kavoussanakis
On Thu, 13 Oct 2005, keith_w wrote: CRTs weigh well over 100 lb! Not that I move them every week, but come spring (and sometimes in between) my wife succombs to some need to thoroughly wash windows, and the TV *must* be moved. My 7-yo Grundig CRT is fairly small (20 inch) and is probably too

Re: BAD NEWS: Pentax +Samsung DSLRs

2005-10-13 Thread graywolf
That was before the anti-trust suit long before most of us were born. They say nothing ever dies on the Internet; however that suit happened long long before computers even. It caused Kodak to divest themselves of many of their American holdings. Having to give up the company that made the

Re: BAD NEWS: Pentax +Samsung DSLRs

2005-10-13 Thread graywolf
You don't think these guys are going to buy a $200 TV. Why they would be laughed out of their country club, and the yacht club would sink their boat (sorry, 200 meter yacht). graywolf http://www.graywolfphoto.com Idiot Proof == Expert Proof --- Kostas

RE: BAD NEWS: Pentax +Samsung DSLRs

2005-10-13 Thread Gautam Sarup
From: William Robb [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You forgot the smiley No. I deliberately left it out. Gautam

Re: BAD NEWS: Pentax +Samsung DSLRs

2005-10-13 Thread Tom C
-To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Subject: Re: BAD NEWS: Pentax +Samsung DSLRs Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 20:54:31 -0400 You don't think these guys are going to buy a $200 TV. Why they would be laughed out of their country club, and the yacht club would sink their boat (sorry, 200

Re: BAD NEWS: Pentax +Samsung DSLRs

2005-10-13 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: Tom C Subject: Re: BAD NEWS: Pentax +Samsung DSLRs I could still have only the Kenwood component system I bought in 1981 (which I still use and is beautifully simple and elegant)... I am still using, and enjoying, a JVC AX-5 amp and Celestion Ditton 332

Re: BAD NEWS: Pentax +Samsung DSLRs

2005-10-13 Thread Tom C
] Reply-To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Subject: Re: BAD NEWS: Pentax +Samsung DSLRs Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 19:39:27 -0600 - Original Message - From: Tom C Subject: Re: BAD NEWS: Pentax +Samsung DSLRs I could still have only the Kenwood component system I bought in 1981

Re: BAD NEWS: Pentax +Samsung DSLRs

2005-10-13 Thread E.R.N. Reed
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: fra: frank theriault [EMAIL PROTECTED] On 10/12/05, Jostein [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The Canon-envy on this list is truly of Freudian proportions. the freud-envy is of canonesque proportions? seriously, it doesn't matter to some on this list what pentax

Re: BAD NEWS: Pentax +Samsung DSLRs

2005-10-13 Thread E.R.N. Reed
mike wilson wrote: NEED it? I don't even WANT it! 8-) Mark, I hate to keep bugging you, but ...

RE: BAD NEWS: Pentax +Samsung DSLRs

2005-10-13 Thread Anthony Farr
-Original Message- From: Rob Studdert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (prior message snipped) CRTs are too costly to ship and produce and new technologies always demand a premium especially when there are marketable benefits and cool technology labels. It's becoming very difficult to buy

Re: BAD NEWS: Pentax +Samsung DSLRs

2005-10-13 Thread David Mann
On Oct 14, 2005, at 10:48 AM, Rob Studdert wrote: CRTs are too costly to ship and produce and new technologies always demand a premium especially when there are marketable benefits and cool technology labels. It's becoming very difficult to buy any kind of CRT TV/ monitor in Australia.

BAD NEWS: Pentax +Samsung DSLRs

2005-10-12 Thread Colin J
Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 12:56:15 +0200 From: Sylwester Pietrzyk [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net pentax-discuss@pdml.net Subject: Re: HOT NEWS: Pentax +Samsund DSLRs Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Dario Bonazza

Re: BAD NEWS: Pentax +Samsung DSLRs

2005-10-12 Thread Mark Roberts
Well, that didn't take long. -- Mark Roberts Photography and writing www.robertstech.com

Re: BAD NEWS: Pentax +Samsung DSLRs

2005-10-12 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: Colin J Subject: BAD NEWS: Pentax +Samsung DSLRs The reason Canon succeeds so strongly is that Canon DSLRs use Canon-made sensors. All other DSLR manufacturers have to buy in sensors from sensor manufacturers. This has led to many problems

Re: BAD NEWS: Pentax +Samsung DSLRs

2005-10-12 Thread Dario Bonazza
Colin, When someone succeeds strongly there's ALWAYS more than just one reason. Canon has done a lot of propers steps toward success, and very few mistakes. Someone else has done the opposite. Your vision looks oversimplified to me, as well as your conclusions. Dario This is BAD NEWS for

Re: BAD NEWS: Pentax +Samsung DSLRs

2005-10-12 Thread Paul Stenquist
I think we should all slit our wrists. The sky is falling. Paul On Oct 12, 2005, at 8:49 AM, Mark Roberts wrote: Well, that didn't take long. -- Mark Roberts Photography and writing www.robertstech.com

Re: BAD NEWS: Pentax +Samsung DSLRs

2005-10-12 Thread Lucas Rijnders
Hi Colin, This is BAD NEWS for Pentax. The reason Canon succeeds so strongly is that Canon DSLRs use Canon-made sensors. All other DSLR manufacturers have to buy in sensors from sensor manufacturers. This has led to many problems. snip contax Kodak failed with the DCS 14n, Pro/n and

Re: BAD NEWS: Pentax +Samsung DSLRs

2005-10-12 Thread Sylwester Pietrzyk
Mark Roberts wrote on 12.10.05 14:49: Well, that didn't take long. Mark, be my oracle please ;-) -- Balance is the ultimate good... Best Regards Sylwek

Re: BAD NEWS: Pentax +Samsung DSLRs

2005-10-12 Thread Tom Reese
I shall do no such thing (as long as I have a few rolls of ektachrome in the freezer). Tom (Twice as Doomed) Reese Paul (We're All Doomed) Stenquist wrote: I think we should all slit our wrists. The sky is falling. On Oct 12, 2005, at 8:49 AM, Mark Roberts wrote: Well, that didn't take

RE: BAD NEWS: Pentax +Samsung DSLRs

2005-10-12 Thread Jens Bladt
-Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: Lucas Rijnders [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sendt: 12. oktober 2005 14:52 Til: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Emne: Re: BAD NEWS: Pentax +Samsung DSLRs Hi Colin, This is BAD NEWS for Pentax. The reason Canon succeeds so strongly is that Canon DSLRs use Canon-made sensors

RE: BAD NEWS: Pentax +Samsung DSLRs

2005-10-12 Thread Shel Belinkoff
http://tinyurl.com/bdexw http://www.letsgodigital.org/en/news/articles/story_4419.html http://tinyurl.com/bhdrq http://www.digitalcamerainfo.com/content/Samsung-announces-7-megapixel-CMOS -Sensor.htm You don't know what you're talking about. Samsung has an excellent reputation in the

Re: BAD NEWS: Pentax +Samsung DSLRs

2005-10-12 Thread graywolf
@pdml.net Emne: Re: BAD NEWS: Pentax +Samsung DSLRs Hi Colin, This is BAD NEWS for Pentax. The reason Canon succeeds so strongly is that Canon DSLRs use Canon-made sensors. All other DSLR manufacturers have to buy in sensors from sensor manufacturers. This has led to many problems. snip

Re: BAD NEWS: Pentax +Samsung DSLRs

2005-10-12 Thread Kenneth Waller
Amen bro, I think I'll sell my pentax stuff Kenneth Waller -Original Message- From: Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Oct 12, 2005 8:49 AM To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Subject: Re: BAD NEWS: Pentax +Samsung DSLRs I think we should all slit our wrists. The sky is falling. Paul On Oct

Re: BAD NEWS: Pentax +Samsung DSLRs

2005-10-12 Thread E.R.N. Reed
graywolf wrote: Newspapers started buying Canon, because Canon just about gave them the equipment and furnished basically free on site service. Soon everywhere you went the news photographers were using Canon. Especially at big events where the Canon truck was there to lend them that 1200mm

Re: BAD NEWS: Pentax +Samsung DSLRs

2005-10-12 Thread Jostein
- Original Message - From: Colin J [EMAIL PROTECTED] This is BAD NEWS for Pentax. [doomsaying snipped] Canon must be laughing out loud. I'm sorry, Colin J, but so am I. The Canon-envy on this list is truly of Freudian proportions. Jostein

Re: BAD NEWS: Pentax +Samsung DSLRs

2005-10-12 Thread Colin J
Hi Lucas, My apologies ... in my despair I got confused between Sony and Kodak. Oh dear me. Colin. Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 14:51:35 +0200 From: Lucas Rijnders [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Subject: Re: BAD NEWS: Pentax +Samsung DSLRs Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type

Re: BAD NEWS: Pentax +Samsung DSLRs

2005-10-12 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
Reading threads like this is such a tremendous waste of energy and time Godfrey

Re: BAD NEWS: Pentax +Samsung DSLRs

2005-10-12 Thread Tom C
Writing to them is even worse! :) Tom C. From: Godfrey DiGiorgi [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Subject: Re: BAD NEWS: Pentax +Samsung DSLRs Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 10:00:54 -0700 Reading threads like this is such a tremendous waste of energy

Re: BAD NEWS: Pentax +Samsung DSLRs

2005-10-12 Thread P. J. Alling
William Robb wrote: - Original Message - From: Colin J Subject: BAD NEWS: Pentax +Samsung DSLRs The reason Canon succeeds so strongly is that Canon DSLRs use Canon-made sensors. All other DSLR manufacturers have to buy in sensors from sensor manufacturers. This has led to many

Re: BAD NEWS: Pentax +Samsung DSLRs

2005-10-12 Thread P. J. Alling
Partnerships in business come and go, strategic partnerships often faster than most others. Paul Stenquist wrote: I think we should all slit our wrists. The sky is falling. Paul On Oct 12, 2005, at 8:49 AM, Mark Roberts wrote: Well, that didn't take long. -- Mark Roberts Photography and

Re: BAD NEWS: Pentax +Samsung DSLRs

2005-10-12 Thread Shel Belinkoff
For others it's like a soap opera, or, perhaps, a tele novella ;-)) Shel [Original Message] From: Godfrey DiGiorgi Reading threads like this is such a tremendous waste of energy and time Godfrey

Re: BAD NEWS: Pentax +Samsung DSLRs

2005-10-12 Thread Lucas Rijnders
... -- Regards, Lucas Colin. Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 14:51:35 +0200 From: Lucas Rijnders [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Subject: Re: BAD NEWS: Pentax +Samsung DSLRs Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; delsp=yes; charset=iso-8859-15 Content

RE: BAD NEWS: Pentax +Samsung DSLRs

2005-10-12 Thread Colin J
Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 08:20:30 -0700 From: Shel Belinkoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Subject: RE: BAD NEWS: Pentax +Samsung DSLRs Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII You don't know what you're talking about. Samsung has an excellent

Re: BAD NEWS: Pentax +Samsung DSLRs

2005-10-12 Thread Joseph Tainter
Kodak failed with the DCS 14n, Pro/n and Pro/c because their 14 MP sensor was noisy. The problem: Kodak ended the product line. Olympus failed with the E-1 and E-300 because the Kodak sensors are noisy at all but the lowest ISO settings. The problem: Kodak ended their interest in Four

Re: BAD NEWS: Pentax +Samsung DSLRs

2005-10-12 Thread Mark Roberts
Colin J [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Samsung's current reputation has been earned by making low end, low cost consumer items such as microwave ovens and cellphones. In the manufacturing world, Samsung has made its (excellent) reputation from manufacturing semiconductors, many of which are used in

Re: BAD NEWS: Pentax +Samsung DSLRs

2005-10-12 Thread Jostein
You guys are really exhausting me...:-) Jostein - Original Message - From: Tom C [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2005 7:04 PM Subject: Re: BAD NEWS: Pentax +Samsung DSLRs Writing to them is even worse! :) Tom C. From: Godfrey DiGiorgi

Re: BAD NEWS: Pentax +Samsung DSLRs

2005-10-12 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: Kenneth Waller Subject: Re: BAD NEWS: Pentax +Samsung DSLRs Amen bro, I think I'll sell my pentax stuff Can I have your 600? WW

Re: BAD NEWS: Pentax +Samsung DSLRs

2005-10-12 Thread John Forbes
It's just part of daily life on the Pentax Doom Mongers List. John On Wed, 12 Oct 2005 18:31:50 +0100, Shel Belinkoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For others it's like a soap opera, or, perhaps, a tele novella ;-)) Shel [Original Message] From: Godfrey DiGiorgi Reading threads like this

Re: BAD NEWS: Pentax +Samsung DSLRs

2005-10-12 Thread Kenneth Waller
Can I have your 600? WW Sure, right after you pry it away from my cold rigid fingers ;^) Kenneth Waller -Original Message- From: William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Oct 12, 2005 1:53 PM To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Subject: Re: BAD NEWS: Pentax +Samsung DSLRs - Original Message

Re: BAD NEWS: Pentax +Samsung DSLRs

2005-10-12 Thread P. J. Alling
To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Subject: Re: BAD NEWS: Pentax +Samsung DSLRs - Original Message - From: Kenneth Waller Subject: Re: BAD NEWS: Pentax +Samsung DSLRs Amen bro, I think I'll sell my pentax stuff Can I have your 600? WW PeoplePC

Re: BAD NEWS: Pentax +Samsung DSLRs

2005-10-12 Thread Cotty
On 12/10/05, Colin J, discombobulated, unleashed: Samsung gets a partner with decades of experience of producing fine SLRs and even better lenses, and what does Pentax get? A firm with a reputation for low end products that sell on price alone. Funny, I don't consider my ground-breaking

Re: BAD NEWS: Pentax +Samsung DSLRs

2005-10-12 Thread Cotty
On 12/10/05, William Robb, discombobulated, unleashed: Their sensors could be made by the Dilbert sensor corporation in Elbonia, There's a leak at Dilbert! Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com

Re: BAD NEWS: Pentax +Samsung DSLRs

2005-10-12 Thread Cotty
On 12/10/05, Godfrey DiGiorgi, discombobulated, unleashed: Reading threads like this is such a tremendous waste of energy and time Oh come one Godders. It's sport!! Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com

Re: BAD NEWS: Pentax +Samsung DSLRs

2005-10-12 Thread Cotty
On 12/10/05, Colin J, discombobulated, unleashed: My apologies ... in my despair I got confused between Sony and Kodak. Oh dear me. Not despair, mate. Dementia. Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com

Re: BAD NEWS: Pentax +Samsung DSLRs

2005-10-12 Thread Albano Garcia
I would never ever put it that short and accurate, Graywolf, thanks! --- graywolf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Now, Pentax. Well, Pentax became famous because the Beatles used them. Pentax had no idea what to do with that fame. And soon the fame died out, leaving them the seller of the

Re: BAD NEWS: Pentax +Samsung DSLRs

2005-10-12 Thread Mishka
samsung, a firm with a reputation for low end products that sell on price alone. yup, like Alpha chips. mishka

Re: BAD NEWS: Pentax +Samsung DSLRs

2005-10-12 Thread Mishka
One word: Alpha. That's the best reputation any company can hope to get. mishka On 10/12/05, Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Colin J [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Samsung's current reputation has been earned by making low end, low cost consumer items such as microwave ovens and cellphones.

Re: BAD NEWS: Pentax +Samsung DSLRs

2005-10-12 Thread frank theriault
On 10/12/05, Jostein [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The Canon-envy on this list is truly of Freudian proportions. the freud-envy is of canonesque proportions? seriously, it doesn't matter to some on this list what pentax announces/does. it will not be merely wrong, it will be disastrous! whatta

Re: BAD NEWS: Pentax +Samsung DSLRs

2005-10-12 Thread Cotty
On 12/10/05, frank theriault, discombobulated, unleashed: whatta laff. Amen! Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _

Re: BAD NEWS: Pentax +Samsung DSLRs

2005-10-12 Thread Herb Chong
if you look at the results from those sensors, they aren't bad. Herb - Original Message - From: William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Pentax Discuss pentax-discuss@pdml.net Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2005 8:43 AM Subject: Re: BAD NEWS: Pentax +Samsung DSLRs The reason Canon

Re: BAD NEWS: Pentax +Samsung DSLRs

2005-10-12 Thread Herb Chong
, October 12, 2005 11:20 AM Subject: RE: BAD NEWS: Pentax +Samsung DSLRs You don't know what you're talking about. Samsung has an excellent reputation in the electronics field. Read the rest of the posts in this thread.

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