Re: Completely and totally OT: Politics

2007-10-22 Thread P. J. Alling
Yes but that lead to a proposal for a Nuclear Ramjet cruse missile No payload needed, just circle it over you're enemies territory until everything died. John Sessoms wrote: From: graywolf A conspiracy theory there, Bob? Personally I like the one for the nucular engines for the B-1

Re: Completely and totally OT: Politics

2007-10-22 Thread John Sessoms
From: graywolf Glad to know you know more about what I am talking about than I do. However, that should have been the B-70 not B-1. As I recall the B-70 was originally designed for 8 turbojets, or 4 atomic engines. I think the two actually flown had 6 turbojets. I believe a lot of the

Re: Completely and totally OT: Politics

2007-10-22 Thread Adam Maas
John Sessoms wrote: I'm not sure how much of the B-70 ended up in the SR-71 Blackbird since they were near contemporary products of competitors - B-70 by North American Aviation and SR-71 by Lockheed. Pretty much nothing was shared between the B-70 and the SR-71(the designs are completely

Re: Completely and totally OT: Politics

2007-10-21 Thread Adam Maas
No it isn't, this actually was an issue in a few rare cases with the last of the .50BMG-armed jets. -Adam graywolf wrote: Another urban legend. The fact is that by the time the bullets slowed that much their trajectory would have dropped below the aircrafts line of flight. I saw a

Re: Completely and totally OT: Politics

2007-10-21 Thread Adam Maas
was to fight off air attacks on the fleets. mike wilson wrote: From: Adam Maas [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2007/10/18 Thu PM 08:14:36 GMT To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: Completely and totally OT: Politics Well, Canada did buy a bunch of F-104's. Too bad ours were low-level

Re: Completely and totally OT: Politics

2007-10-21 Thread John Sessoms
From: graywolf A conspiracy theory there, Bob? Personally I like the one for the nucular engines for the B-1 Bomber. When you are dealing with atomic energy and you get 10 times the power output you thought you were supposed to, you do not proceed with testing. The nuclear engine testbed was

Re: Completely and totally OT: Politics

2007-10-21 Thread John Sessoms
From: graywolf When I rode the train through Montana, when was it 2003?, there were actually NG troops at the doors of the train at one stop. There were also some US Marshalls stomping up and down the aisles of the train. I thought for a moment that the train had wound up somewhere in Europe

Re: Completely and totally OT: Politics

2007-10-21 Thread John Sessoms
From: P. J. Alling It's been a Federal Felony for quite some time. Probably before Kennedy, though I'm sure some new penalties were added in the aftermath of that, and each attempted assassination since. The law was passed after the two assassination attempts on Gerald Ford in 1975. Prior

Re: Completely and totally OT: Politics

2007-10-21 Thread graywolf
Glad to know you know more about what I am talking about than I do. However, that should have been the B-70 not B-1. As I recall the B-70 was originally designed for 8 turbojets, or 4 atomic engines. I think the two actually flown had 6 turbojets. I believe a lot of the technology developed for

Re: Completely and totally OT: Politics

2007-10-20 Thread graywolf
A conspiracy theory there, Bob? Personally I like the one for the nucular engines for the B-1 Bomber. When you are dealing with atomic energy and you get 10 times the power output you thought you were supposed to, you do not proceed with testing. The fact is that the Blackbird was retired

Re: Completely and totally OT: Politics

2007-10-20 Thread graywolf
Another urban legend. The fact is that by the time the bullets slowed that much their trajectory would have dropped below the aircrafts line of flight. I saw a training film while in the AF of a pair of F-104's strafing concrete pillboxes in which they first hit it with rockets and then made a

Re: Completely and totally OT: Politics

2007-10-20 Thread graywolf
Because Ike could not congress to pay for the bridge? Which reminds me of a hoary old joke. A guy finds an old oil lamp and when polishing it a Genie appears and tells him gets one wish. So the guy says he wants a bridge from Hawaii to San Fransisco named after him. The Genie says that is too

Re: Completely and totally OT: Politics

2007-10-20 Thread graywolf
Well, Bob, sometime in the 1960's they determined that long straight stretches of road caused accidents because drivers quit paying attention, so they quit designing them that way. They actually put in curves where none are needed now. Also when dealing with governments strange things happen.

Re: Completely and totally OT: Politics

2007-10-20 Thread graywolf
up there in the great northern expanses. On Oct 18, 2007, at 10:26 PM, William Robb wrote: - Original Message - From: Joseph Tainter Subject: Re: Completely and totally OT: Politics Why does Hawaii have INTERSTATE highways? I mean, what other states can you drive to from Hawaii

Re: Completely and totally OT: Politics

2007-10-20 Thread graywolf
08:14:36 GMT To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: Completely and totally OT: Politics Well, Canada did buy a bunch of F-104's. Too bad ours were low-level nuke ground attack birds (Absolutely no air-to-air capability due to lacking a gun prior to 1972 and a dedicated

Re: Completely and totally OT: Politics

2007-10-20 Thread Bob Blakely
, October 20, 2007 10:34 AM Subject: Re: Completely and totally OT: Politics A conspiracy theory there, Bob? No, just the facts. Personally I like the one for the nucular engines for the B-1 Bomber. When you are dealing with atomic energy and you get 10 times the power output you thought you were

Re: Completely and totally OT: Politics

2007-10-20 Thread graywolf
Making a threatening comment about The President is a Federal Felony these days. I would think inviting him to commit suicide is a gray area however. John Sessoms wrote: From: mike wilson From: Godfrey DiGiorgi [EMAIL PROTECTED] Presidents should simply commit hara-kiri when their

Re: Completely and totally OT: Politics

2007-10-20 Thread David J Brooks
On 10/20/07, graywolf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: They actually put in curves where none are needed now. Doesn't seem to bother Mark.:-) Dave -- Equine Photography www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ Ontario Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net

Re: Starfighters Co. (was: Completely and totally OT: Politics)

2007-10-20 Thread graywolf
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Re: Completely and totally OT: Politics

2007-10-20 Thread P. J. Alling
It's been a Federal Felony for quite some time. Probably before Kennedy, though I'm sure some new penalties were added in the aftermath of that, and each attempted assassination since. graywolf wrote: Making a threatening comment about The President is a Federal Felony these days. I would

Re: Completely and totally OT: Politics

2007-10-19 Thread Cotty
On 18/10/07, Bob Sullivan, discombobulated, unleashed: Gotta think like a media person Bill. If you can't show it on TV, it didn't happen. Here you go Bob http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia-pacific/7048284.stm -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche

Re: Completely and totally OT: Politics

2007-10-19 Thread David J Brooks
at the moment.:-0 Dave On Oct 18, 2007, at 10:26 PM, William Robb wrote: - Original Message - From: Joseph Tainter Subject: Re: Completely and totally OT: Politics Why does Hawaii have INTERSTATE highways? I mean, what other states can you drive to from Hawaii? ;-D

Re: Starfighters Co. (was: Completely and totally OT: Politics)

2007-10-19 Thread mike wilson
From: Dario Bonazza [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2007/10/19 Fri AM 10:01:43 GMT To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Starfighters Co. (was: Completely and totally OT: Politics) mike wilson wrote: From: Adam Maas [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2007/10/18 Thu PM 08:14:36 GMT

Re: Completely and totally OT: Politics

2007-10-19 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
On Oct 19, 2007, at 1:08 AM, mike wilson wrote: Presidents should simply commit hara-kiri when their approval rating falls below 20% and make way for the next joker. GWB could be a leader and show the way ... History would them remember him well. I think you just issued an invitation to the

Re: Completely and totally OT: Politics

2007-10-19 Thread graywolf
There is a bit of nonsense in that article, but it seems basically correct. The thing you do not get from photos is how big the thing is. Without the weapons pod, the only way I saw one, on the ground it looked like it is on stilts. I worked on RB-47's and the 58 was almost as long as one of

Re: Completely and totally OT: Politics

2007-10-19 Thread P. J. Alling
. The Israelis proved that using Shermans against T55s. mike wilson wrote: From: P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2007/10/18 Thu PM 06:16:54 GMT To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: Completely and totally OT: Politics The arms of Krupp is not entirely correct

Re: Completely and totally OT: Politics

2007-10-19 Thread John Sessoms
From: mike wilson From: Godfrey DiGiorgi [EMAIL PROTECTED] Presidents should simply commit hara-kiri when their approval rating falls below 20% and make way for the next joker. GWB could be a leader and show the way ... History would them remember him well. I think you just

Re: Completely and totally OT: Politics

2007-10-19 Thread John Sessoms
From: Kenneth Waller I think he's on track to be our worst president ever Worse that Hilary's husband? By far ... even worse than Nancy's or Plastic Pat's ... or even Barb. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the

Re: Completely and totally OT: Politics

2007-10-19 Thread John Sessoms
From: Evan Hanson I think he's on track to be our worst president ever, but yeah he deserves kudos for doing to right thing. Yeah, I can accept that. Let me know then if he ever does. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE

Re: Completely and totally OT: Politics

2007-10-19 Thread Tom C
You can keep Elvis Stoiko. :-) Tom C. From: William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: Completely and totally OT: Politics Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2007 13:07:58 -0600 - Original Message - From

Re: Completely and totally OT: Politics

2007-10-19 Thread Tom C
You can keep Elvis Stoiko. :-) Tom C. From: William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: Completely and totally OT: Politics Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2007 13:07:58 -0600 - Original Message - From

Re: Starfighters Co. (was: Completely and totally OT: Politics)

2007-10-19 Thread Evan Hanson
And now, let's discuss WWII planes with a quiz for warbird buffs out there. Please take a look at www.dariobonazza.com/public/KGP03047.jpg What's that? Ciao, Dario Is it a Yak-9? Evan -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to

Re: Completely and totally OT: Politics

2007-10-19 Thread pnstenquist
The forest has come to Dunsinane. -- Original message -- From: Bob Blakely [EMAIL PROTECTED] HAR! I can see you all rushing for the border with the shrubbery trying to pretend you're only wild bushes. Regards, Bob...

Re: Completely and totally OT: Politics

2007-10-19 Thread Bob Sullivan
: - Original Message - From: Charles Robinson Subject: Re: Completely and totally OT: Politics The Canadians. They walk among us. William Shatner. Michael J. Fox. Monty Hall. Mike Meyers. Alex Trebek. All of them Canadians. All of them here. You missed Celine Dion

Re: Completely and totally OT: Politics

2007-10-19 Thread Bob Blakely
HAR! I can see you all rushing for the border with the shrubbery trying to pretend you're only wild bushes. Regards, Bob... Art is not a reflection of reality. it is the reality of a reflection. -Jean Luc Godard - Original

Re: Completely and totally OT: Politics

2007-10-19 Thread Bob Blakely
Feds also pay for US highways. Regards, Bob... Art is not a reflection of reality. it is the reality of a reflection. -Jean Luc Godard - Original Message - From: John Francis [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Thu, Oct 18, 2007 at

Re: Completely and totally OT: Politics

2007-10-19 Thread David J Brooks
On 10/19/07, Bob Blakely [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] PS: Not that the Canadians are going to nuke us:-). But there are some leaks up there in the great northern expanses. Don't know 'bout that. They do have about 90% of their population massed within 75

Re: Completely and totally OT: Politics

2007-10-19 Thread David Savage
On 10/20/07, William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - Original Message - From: Charles Robinson Subject: Re: Completely and totally OT: Politics The Canadians. They walk among us. William Shatner. Michael J. Fox. Monty Hall. Mike Meyers. Alex Trebek. All of them Canadians. All

Re: Completely and totally OT: Politics

2007-10-19 Thread David J Brooks
On 10/19/07, P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: All of them jokes or comics. Well except for Fox who qualifies as a tragic figure now. (The sad part is the most admirable of your examples is a game show host). Yep I've set it up come on and hit the hanger... Other than WW, Alex is the only

Re: Completely and totally OT: Politics

2007-10-19 Thread P. J. Alling
I'm sorry, I thought that was WW saying that. mike wilson wrote: San Jose is in Canada? You learn sooo many new things here. Must tell Google Earth. P. J. Alling wrote: He's in Canada, they'll farm it out to the Mounties. mike wilson wrote: From: Godfrey DiGiorgi [EMAIL

Re: Completely and totally OT: Politics

2007-10-19 Thread Charles Robinson
On Oct 19, 2007, at 12:04, Bob Blakely wrote: From: Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] PS: Not that the Canadians are going to nuke us:-). But there are some leaks up there in the great northern expanses. Don't know 'bout that. They do have about 90% of their population massed within 75

Re: Completely and totally OT: Politics

2007-10-19 Thread P. J. Alling
He's in Canada, they'll farm it out to the Mounties. mike wilson wrote: From: Godfrey DiGiorgi [EMAIL PROTECTED] Presidents should simply commit hara-kiri when their approval rating falls below 20% and make way for the next joker. GWB could be a leader and show the way ...

Re: Completely and totally OT: Politics

2007-10-19 Thread Bob Blakely
From: Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] PS: Not that the Canadians are going to nuke us:-). But there are some leaks up there in the great northern expanses. Don't know 'bout that. They do have about 90% of their population massed within 75 miles of our border. I think they're preparing to

Re: Starfighters Co. (was: Completely and totally OT: Politics)

2007-10-19 Thread Dario Bonazza
No. Dario - Original Message - From: Bong Manayon [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Sent: Friday, October 19, 2007 3:05 PM Subject: Re: Starfighters Co. (was: Completely and totally OT: Politics) I thought it was half of a P-82 Twin Mustang, but my guess

Re: Completely and totally OT: Politics

2007-10-19 Thread Bob Sullivan
wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2007/10/18 Thu PM 06:16:54 GMT To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: Completely and totally OT: Politics The arms of Krupp is not entirely correct. The invasion of France was carried out using

Re: Starfighters Co. (was: Completely and totally OT: Politics)

2007-10-19 Thread Bong Manayon
I thought it was half of a P-82 Twin Mustang, but my guess its one of those Cavalier Mustangs (Mustang II? Piper Enforcer?) ... On 10/19/07, Dario Bonazza [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: mike wilson wrote: Civilianised P51 Mustang? Nope. You have another chance, as I wrote WWII when it's actually

Re: Completely and totally OT: Politics

2007-10-19 Thread Adam Maas
In front of Cameras, and giving an award, that's the difference. -Adam Bob Sullivan wrote: I don't know what the difference between pictures with President Bush at the Residence and Bush plus Nancy Pelosi (Speaker of the House) in Congress really are, perhaps some diplomatic distinction? In

Re: Completely and totally OT: Politics

2007-10-19 Thread Adam Maas
mike wilson wrote: From: Adam Maas [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2007/10/18 Thu PM 08:14:36 GMT To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: Completely and totally OT: Politics Well, Canada did buy a bunch of F-104's. Too bad ours were low-level nuke ground attack birds (Absolutely

Re: Starfighters Co. (was: Completely and totally OT: Politics)

2007-10-19 Thread Dario Bonazza
mike wilson wrote: Civilianised P51 Mustang? Nope. You have another chance, as I wrote WWII when it's actually post-WWII. Dario -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above

Re: Starfighters Co. (was: Completely and totally OT: Politics)

2007-10-19 Thread Dario Bonazza
Err... let's better say post-WWII. Dario - Original Message - From: Dario Bonazza [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Sent: Friday, October 19, 2007 12:01 PM Subject: Starfighters Co. (was: Completely and totally OT: Politics) mike wilson wrote: From

Starfighters Co. (was: Completely and totally OT: Politics)

2007-10-19 Thread Dario Bonazza
mike wilson wrote: From: Adam Maas [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2007/10/18 Thu PM 08:14:36 GMT To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: Completely and totally OT: Politics Well, Canada did buy a bunch of F-104's. Too bad ours were low-level nuke ground attack birds (Absolutely

Re: Completely and totally OT: Politics

2007-10-19 Thread mike wilson
From: frank theriault [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2007/10/18 Thu PM 08:14:26 GMT To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: Completely and totally OT: Politics On 10/18/07, Tom C [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can we talk about the Lockheed F-104 Starfighter? Please Bob? There's

Re: Completely and totally OT: Politics

2007-10-19 Thread mike wilson
From: Adam Maas [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2007/10/18 Thu PM 08:14:36 GMT To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: Completely and totally OT: Politics Well, Canada did buy a bunch of F-104's. Too bad ours were low-level nuke ground attack birds (Absolutely no air-to-air

Re: Completely and totally OT: Politics

2007-10-19 Thread mike wilson
From: P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2007/10/18 Thu PM 06:16:54 GMT To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: Completely and totally OT: Politics The arms of Krupp is not entirely correct. The invasion of France was carried out using a large number of training tanks

Re: Completely and totally OT: Politics

2007-10-19 Thread mike wilson
From: Godfrey DiGiorgi [EMAIL PROTECTED] Presidents should simply commit hara-kiri when their approval rating falls below 20% and make way for the next joker. GWB could be a leader and show the way ... History would them remember him well. I think you just issued an invitation to the

Re: Completely and totally OT: Politics

2007-10-19 Thread Cotty
- Original Message - From: Bob Sullivan Subject: Re: Completely and totally OT: Politics GWB met with the DL in the White House, but no photo ops so we wouldn't upset the Chinese. ??? Pics and video here: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia-pacific/7048284.stm -- Cheers

Re: Completely and totally OT: Politics

2007-10-19 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: Charles Robinson Subject: Re: Completely and totally OT: Politics The Canadians. They walk among us. William Shatner. Michael J. Fox. Monty Hall. Mike Meyers. Alex Trebek. All of them Canadians. All of them here. You missed Celine Dion. BTW, you

Re: Completely and totally OT: Politics

2007-10-19 Thread P. J. Alling
All of them jokes or comics. Well except for Fox who qualifies as a tragic figure now. (The sad part is the most admirable of your examples is a game show host). Yep I've set it up come on and hit the hanger... Charles Robinson wrote: On Oct 19, 2007, at 12:04, Bob Blakely wrote: From:

Re: Completely and totally OT: Politics

2007-10-19 Thread mike wilson
San Jose is in Canada? You learn sooo many new things here. Must tell Google Earth. P. J. Alling wrote: He's in Canada, they'll farm it out to the Mounties. mike wilson wrote: From: Godfrey DiGiorgi [EMAIL PROTECTED] Presidents should simply commit hara-kiri when their

Re: Completely and totally OT: Politics

2007-10-19 Thread mike wilson
From: Bob Sullivan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2007/10/19 Fri PM 01:17:23 GMT To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: Completely and totally OT: Politics Comments on the T34 from somewhere in my memory suggest it was better because of wider treads. It was more able

Re: Completely and totally OT: Politics

2007-10-19 Thread John Sessoms
From: John Francis On Thu, Oct 18, 2007 at 07:25:12PM -0400, John Sessoms wrote: From: pnstenquist I went on a Saab press junket to Sweden in 1981. Saab engineers demonstrated the Viggens short takeoff distance. It was truly amazing how quickly it got off the ground. The Swedish

Re: Completely and totally OT: Politics

2007-10-19 Thread Bob Sullivan
I don't know what the difference between pictures with President Bush at the Residence and Bush plus Nancy Pelosi (Speaker of the House) in Congress really are, perhaps some diplomatic distinction? In any case, the Dali Lama deserves the honor and recognition. He's a gentle and brave fellow. He

Re: Completely and totally OT: Politics

2007-10-19 Thread Kenneth Waller
You missed Celine Dion. No. You both missed the.. Twain, as in Shania ! Kenneth Waller http://tinyurl.com/272u2f - Original Message - From: William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Completely and totally OT: Politics - Original Message - From: Charles Robinson

Re: Completely and totally OT: Politics

2007-10-18 Thread Bob Sullivan
Bill, You are an American, a North American. You just don't reside in the USA part of N America. You get all the benefits without any of the responsibility. ;-) Regards, Bob S. On 10/17/07, William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just watched a news clip about President Bush's meeting with the

Re: Completely and totally OT: Politics

2007-10-18 Thread David Savage
LOL Cheers, Dave On 10/18/07, Bob Sullivan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bill, You are an American, a North American. You just don't reside in the USA part of N America. You get all the benefits without any of the responsibility. ;-) Regards, Bob S. On 10/17/07, William Robb [EMAIL

Re: Completely and totally OT: Politics

2007-10-18 Thread frank theriault
On 10/18/07, David Savage [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: LOL You might not be laughing were you Canadian... cheers, frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from

Re: Completely and totally OT: Politics

2007-10-18 Thread frank theriault
On 10/18/07, Bob Sullivan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bill, You are an American, a North American. You just don't reside in the USA part of N America. You get all the benefits without any of the responsibility. ;-) Regards, Bob S. I see the smiley, Bob, but I still can't help bristle a bit.

Re: Completely and totally OT: Politics

2007-10-18 Thread David Savage
I have enough Canadian heritage to appreciate why Northern North Americans, ;-), don't like that proposition, but I'm far enough removed from Canadian/US politics that I find it funny :-D Cheers, Dave On 10/18/07, frank theriault [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 10/18/07, David Savage [EMAIL

Re: Completely and totally OT: Politics

2007-10-18 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: frank theriault Subject: Re: Completely and totally OT: Politics On 10/18/07, Bob Sullivan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bill, You are an American, a North American. You just don't reside in the USA part of N America. You get all the benefits without any

Re: Completely and totally OT: Politics

2007-10-18 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: David Savage Subject: Re: Completely and totally OT: Politics I have enough Canadian heritage to appreciate why Northern North Americans, ;-), don't like that proposition, but I'm far enough removed from Canadian/US politics that I find it funny :-D

Re: Completely and totally OT: Politics

2007-10-18 Thread frank theriault
On 10/18/07, David Savage [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have enough Canadian heritage to appreciate why Northern North Americans, ;-), don't like that proposition, but I'm far enough removed from Canadian/US politics that I find it funny :-D It's not a political issue as much as a cultural one.

Re: Completely and totally OT: Politics

2007-10-18 Thread Bob Sullivan
] wrote: - Original Message - From: frank theriault Subject: Re: Completely and totally OT: Politics On 10/18/07, Bob Sullivan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bill, You are an American, a North American. You just don't reside in the USA part of N America. You get all the benefits

Re: Completely and totally OT: Politics

2007-10-18 Thread frank theriault
On 10/18/07, William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And to think that all I wanted to do was to recognize some selfless diplomacy. Back to our usual programming. Yes. It was nice to see GW meet with the DL. It was nice to see someone piss off China, one of the most brutal regimes in the

Re: Completely and totally OT: Politics

2007-10-18 Thread David Savage
On 10/18/07, frank theriault [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 10/18/07, David Savage [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have enough Canadian heritage to appreciate why Northern North Americans, ;-), don't like that proposition, but I'm far enough removed from Canadian/US politics that I find it funny

Re: Completely and totally OT: Politics

2007-10-18 Thread Cotty
On 18/10/07, William Robb, discombobulated, unleashed: They look at war as a responsibility, we see it as the last resort of the incompetent. We may look like them, but we are not them. hey you should worry. We spawned them and now we aspire to be them. - ;-) -- Cheers,

Re: Completely and totally OT: Politics

2007-10-18 Thread Bob Sullivan
Frank, I agree with you. I was deliberately provoking you with the All the benefits and none of the responsibilities line. I think more accurate would be, You get some benefits, but you have no say in what's happening. I bite my tongue because I feel like You get some benefits, but you have no

Re: Completely and totally OT: Politics

2007-10-18 Thread David Savage
On 10/18/07, Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 18/10/07, William Robb, discombobulated, unleashed: They look at war as a responsibility, we see it as the last resort of the incompetent. We may look like them, but we are not them. hey you should worry. We spawned them and now we aspire to be

Re: Completely and totally OT: Politics

2007-10-18 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
On 18/10/07, William Robb, discombobulated, unleashed: They look at war as a responsibility, we see it as the last resort of the incompetent. We may look like them, but we are not them. Please don't ascribe the cave man grunting of the current administration's stupidity to all citizens

Re: Completely and totally OT: Politics

2007-10-18 Thread frank theriault
On 10/18/07, David Savage [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Tsk, tsk, tsk, naughty Bob!!! snip Yeah, it's the quiet ones ya gotta watch, eh? Way to go Bob! ;-) cheers, frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net

Re: Completely and totally OT: Politics

2007-10-18 Thread Christian
William Robb wrote: I just watched a news clip about President Bush's meeting with the Dali Lama. I would just like to congratulate the President, and the people of the USA. Were I an American, I would be a very proud American today. William Robb giving the Chinese the finger is

Re: Completely and totally OT: Politics

2007-10-18 Thread frank theriault
On 10/18/07, Bob Sullivan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Frank, I agree with you. I was deliberately provoking you with the All the benefits and none of the responsibilities line. I think more accurate would be, You get some benefits, but you have no say in what's happening. I bite my tongue

Re: Completely and totally OT: Politics

2007-10-18 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: Bob Sullivan Subject: Re: Completely and totally OT: Politics Bill, You've been such a stickler about not using the term American to describe USA citizens and USA actions that I couldn't help but call you on it when I see you praising the 'American

Re: Completely and totally OT: Politics

2007-10-18 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: frank theriault Subject: Re: Completely and totally OT: Politics For everything bad I could say about the US, I could say a dozen good things, believe me. Hugs all round. And you watch what you say about Cesar, he's a good friend. William Robb

Re: Completely and totally OT: Politics

2007-10-18 Thread Bob Blakely
So that's what it was, the last resort of the incompetent when my mother joined the RCAF to help the Brits (and all of us, actually) in 1939. Mom's never thought of herself as incompetent. I'll have to inform her. She has 92 years now (93 on Nov 7) and has been living a delusion all this time.

Re: Completely and totally OT: Politics

2007-10-18 Thread Bob Sullivan
GWB met with the DL in the White House, but no photo ops so we wouldn't upset the Chinese. ??? Regards, Bob S. On 10/18/07, William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - Original Message - From: Bob Sullivan Subject: Re: Completely and totally OT: Politics Bill, You've been

Re: Completely and totally OT: Politics

2007-10-18 Thread frank theriault
On 10/18/07, William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hugs all round. And you watch what you say about Cesar, he's a good friend. Seriously, Cesar knows I'm teasing him. As we both know, and as anyone who has ever met him for even a short moment knows, he's one of the best. I've met few kinder

Re: Completely and totally OT: Politics

2007-10-18 Thread frank theriault
On 10/18/07, Bob Blakely [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So that's what it was, the last resort of the incompetent when my mother joined the RCAF to help the Brits (and all of us, actually) in 1939. Mom's never thought of herself as incompetent. I'll have to inform her. She has 92 years now (93 on

Re: Completely and totally OT: Politics

2007-10-18 Thread Adam Maas
: GWB met with the DL in the White House, but no photo ops so we wouldn't upset the Chinese. ??? Regards, Bob S. On 10/18/07, William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - Original Message - From: Bob Sullivan Subject: Re: Completely and totally OT: Politics Bill, You've been

Re: Completely and totally OT: Politics

2007-10-18 Thread Bob Blakely
- Original Message - From: Godfrey DiGiorgi [EMAIL PROTECTED] On 18/10/07, William Robb, discombobulated, unleashed: They look at war as a responsibility, we see it as the last resort of the incompetent. We may look like them, but we are not them. Please don't ascribe the cave

Re: Completely and totally OT: Politics

2007-10-18 Thread Adam Maas
Bob, It's an all too common opinion in post-Trudeau Canada. It's also not shared by all Canadians. -Adam Bob Blakely wrote: So that's what it was, the last resort of the incompetent when my mother joined the RCAF to help the Brits (and all of us, actually) in 1939. Mom's never thought of

Re: Completely and totally OT: Politics

2007-10-18 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
On Oct 18, 2007, at 10:02 AM, Bob Blakely wrote: Criticism can be a good thing, but not from the mouths of the ignorant. My opinion is just as ignorant as yours. G -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the

Re: Completely and totally OT: Politics

2007-10-18 Thread Cotty
On 18/10/07, frank theriault, discombobulated, unleashed: I've met few kinder souls on this earth. Now, Cotty on the other hand... ;-) I'm a kind soul, just not of this Earth. Or even another one. -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|

Re: Completely and totally OT: Politics

2007-10-18 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
On Oct 18, 2007, at 10:02 AM, Bob Blakely wrote: Presidents should simply commit hara-kiri when their approval rating falls below 20% and make way for the next joker. GWB could be a leader and show the way ... History would them remember him well. Really!?

Re: Completely and totally OT: Politics

2007-10-18 Thread frank theriault
On 10/18/07, Adam Maas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bob, It's an all too common opinion in post-Trudeau Canada. It's also not shared by all Canadians. The sad thing is that war ~isn't~ a last resort these days (competent actors or no)... cheers, frank ps: what's Trudeau got to do with it? -f

Re: Completely and totally OT: Politics

2007-10-18 Thread P. J. Alling
PROTECTED] wrote: - Original Message - From: Bob Sullivan Subject: Re: Completely and totally OT: Politics Bill, You've been such a stickler about not using the term American to describe USA citizens and USA actions that I couldn't help but call you on it when I see you

Re: Completely and totally OT: Politics

2007-10-18 Thread P. J. Alling
War has never been a last resort. It should not however be a first resort. frank theriault wrote: On 10/18/07, Adam Maas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bob, It's an all too common opinion in post-Trudeau Canada. It's also not shared by all Canadians. The sad thing is that war ~isn't~

Re: Completely and totally OT: Politics

2007-10-18 Thread Adam Maas
frank theriault wrote: On 10/18/07, Adam Maas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bob, It's an all too common opinion in post-Trudeau Canada. It's also not shared by all Canadians. The sad thing is that war ~isn't~ a last resort these days (competent actors or no)... cheers, frank ps:

Re: Completely and totally OT: Politics

2007-10-18 Thread Adam Maas
frank theriault wrote: On 10/18/07, Adam Maas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bob, It's an all too common opinion in post-Trudeau Canada. It's also not shared by all Canadians. The sad thing is that war ~isn't~ a last resort these days (competent actors or no)... cheers, frank ps:

Re: Completely and totally OT: Politics

2007-10-18 Thread Christian
P. J. Alling wrote: War has never been a last resort. It should not however be a first resort. Personally I'd go with Marriott as a first resort... Definitely not Club Med. I do hear good things about the Hard Rock resorts too. -- Christian http://photography.skofteland.net -- PDML

Re: Completely and totally OT: Politics

2007-10-18 Thread Bob Sullivan
Adam, Based on the Arms of Krupp book, Hitler had the war machine designed and under construction long before overtaking any Chechoslovak stockpiles. By the end of the war, the German tanks (pre '40's designs) were outmatched by the Russian tanks (newer, better armored designs). Whether or not

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