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I wouldn't worry about them. Their idea of cruel and unusual punishment is Newcastle Brown Ale. On second thoughts. John Forbes wrote: > Now I'm scared. The Novocastrians will be after me, too. > > John > > On Mon, 21 Aug 2006 09:08:00 +0100, mike wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: >

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Now I'm scared. The Novocastrians will be after me, too. John On Mon, 21 Aug 2006 09:08:00 +0100, mike wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Some people in the town where I live (NOT Newcastle...) would regard > that as an insult so grievous it could only be resolved by the death of > the p

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- Original Message - From: "Digital Image Studio" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > I don't just pick the wrong one on the *ist D I also often turn it the > wrong way. Same here with the Z-1p. I used the camera for 6 years but still consistently turned the dials the wrong way and poked my eye in t

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On Mon, 21 Aug 2006 04:13:02 +0200, Digital Image Studio <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 21/08/06, Godfrey DiGiorgi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> I always forget which one does what and hit the >> wrong one every time. The R1's two wheels are both thumb wheels and >> have sensible placement to m

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Some people in the town where I live (NOT Newcastle...) would regard that as an insult so grievous it could only be resolved by the death of the perpetrator 8- > > From: "John Forbes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Fortunately a nice man from Newcastle took it off my hands. > -

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On 21/08/06, John Francis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Mon, Aug 21, 2006 at 11:47:38AM +1000, Digital Image Studio wrote: > > On 21/08/06, Adam Maas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > I'm certainly no klutz, and it's simply not easy for everybody. Glad it > > > works well for you, but the techniqu

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On Mon, Aug 21, 2006 at 11:47:38AM +1000, Digital Image Studio wrote: > On 21/08/06, Adam Maas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I'm certainly no klutz, and it's simply not easy for everybody. Glad it > > works well for you, but the technique is useless for me. > > And me, being a left-eyed shooter a

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--- Godfrey DiGiorgi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > whew, so much discussion over one wheel or two, one > knob and a ring. > I know. I was suprised it went this far, as well. Still, I learned something which is always good. Plus, for whatever reason it's interesting to hear how people shoot diff

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On 21/08/06, Godfrey DiGiorgi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I always forget which one does what and hit the > wrong one every time. The R1's two wheels are both thumb wheels and > have sensible placement to make it easy not to forget which is which. I don't just pick the wrong one on the *ist D I a

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whew, so much discussion over one wheel or two, one knob and a ring. I use whatever controls a given camera has. The human body is mostly adaptable, the human mind should be *infinitely* adaptable. ;-) I tend to prefer the "set the aperture and shutter speed" from the body, and one wheel as i

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On 21/08/06, Adam Maas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I'm certainly no klutz, and it's simply not easy for everybody. Glad it > works well for you, but the technique is useless for me. And me, being a left-eyed shooter aperture rings rule, nice not to have to switch my modus operandi between my kits

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I'm certainly no klutz, and it's simply not easy for everybody. Glad it works well for you, but the technique is useless for me. -Adam Paul Stenquist wrote: > Unless you're a total klutz, it's really quite easy. > Paul > On Aug 20, 2006, at 11:41 AM, Brendan MacRae wrote: > > >> >> >>>And you

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Well, I'll give it go. I'm no klutz, just incredulous. Thanks. Brendan --- Paul Stenquist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Unless you're a total klutz, it's really quite easy. > Paul > On Aug 20, 2006, at 11:41 AM, Brendan MacRae wrote: > > > > > > > > >> And you don't have to take your finger off

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Unless you're a total klutz, it's really quite easy. Paul On Aug 20, 2006, at 11:41 AM, Brendan MacRae wrote: > > > >> And you don't have to take your finger off the >> shutter, either. With >> my twin-wheel cameras (PZ-1p, *ist-D) I keep my >> index finger on the >> shutter release, and adjust t

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Telling superman that everyone else is only human is only the truth. John Forbes wrote: >Perhaps you should work at it. You are arguing with Steady Stenquist, >remember. :-) > >John > >On Sun, 20 Aug 2006 16:49:53 +0100, P. J. Alling ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > >>I've tried that, I

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On Sun, 20 Aug 2006, George Sinos wrote: > When I use the bracket I'm always holding the assembly by the grip in > my left hand. If I need to adjust the zoom, I'll usually even do that > with the right hand. Since I wear nasty bifocals, I always trust the > auto-focus. Not much reason to touch

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Just tagging onto the thread here - not arguing with Paul - I use one of the Stroboframes with flash quite often: With this, or even with a long telephoto I find the wheels much more convenient. When I use the bracket I'm always holdi

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Perhaps you should work at it. You are arguing with Steady Stenquist, remember. :-) John On Sun, 20 Aug 2006 16:49:53 +0100, P. J. Alling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I've tried that, I find it much more difficult to hold camera steady > using the controls that way. > > Paul Stenquist wrot

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No, that's a camera that I've never seen anyone shoot with. I suppose if I go to one of the PUG meetings I could entice someone to let me mess around with one (or another model that uses wheels). Or, I could just go to my local photo shop. However, where I'm living now, "local" is a relative term.

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--- John Forbes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: If you are using > a variety of cameras, > some with aperture rings and some without, you'll > never wean yourself off > the aperture ring habit. > Well, since I use a 67II as well as 35mm, I doubt I'll ever be weaned completely ;-] -Brendan _

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> And you don't have to take your finger off the > shutter, either. With > my twin-wheel cameras (PZ-1p, *ist-D) I keep my > index finger on the > shutter release, and adjust the shutter speed with > my second finger > and the aperture with my thumb. > You're going to have to introduce me to

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I've tried that, I find it much more difficult to hold camera steady using the controls that way. Paul Stenquist wrote: >I don't have to take my finger off the shutter with the *istD. Index >finger is on the shutter. Thumb changes the aperture. Middle finger >changes the shutter speed. Simple

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John Francis wrote: > On Sat, Aug 19, 2006 at 10:13:25PM -0400, Adam Maas wrote: > >>Paul Stenquist wrote: >> Brandan opined: >>> >>> >>> It's definitely a frustration. I wish that the engineers would think more in terms of making the new technology as similar to the old as possibl

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Tried that method. Doesn't work for me. Very awkward way to grip the camera body, far less convenient than one hand for aperture and the other for shutter. -Adam Paul Stenquist wrote: > I don't have to take my finger off the shutter with the *istD. Index > finger is on the shutter. Thumb chan

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>> Funny, one of the reasons I don't like dual-wheel controls is that you >> have to take your finger off teh shutter. I can hold the camera quite >> firmly in my left hand while still turinging the aperture ring. >> > > That's fine until you try it with a long telephoto lens, especially if

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I don't have to take my finger off the shutter with the *istD. Index finger is on the shutter. Thumb changes the aperture. Middle finger changes the shutter speed. Simple and far more convenient than an aperture wheel on the lens. Paul On Aug 19, 2006, at 10:13 PM, Adam Maas wrote: > Paul Stenq

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What John said. I find I can do handheld work with my *istD and A400/5.6 and change exposure with the thumbwheels without taking the camera down from my eye. That wasn't true of my LX with the K400/5.6. On Aug 20, 2006, at 12:15 AM, John Francis wrote: > On Sat, Aug 19, 2006 at 10:13:25PM -0400,

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I could sell you my Z1 if you wanna play with one ;) Seriously, try it. You may not like it but should try before judging. Regards, -- Thibault Massart aka Thibouille -- *ist-D,Z1,SFXn,SuperA,KX,MX, P30t and KR-10x ;) ... -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List

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On Sat, 19 Aug 2006, Paul Stenquist wrote: > Except the thumbwheels are better than the aperture control on the > lens. The biggest disadvantage of the aperture-on-lens setup becomes apparent with variable-aperture lenses: you set it to one value at one end, it's another at the other end, and t

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On Sat, 19 Aug 2006, Brendan MacRae wrote: > Well, I shouldn't be too prejudiced against it until I > go and shoot with it. Only then will I know... Can you borrow a -1p from somewhere? Kostas -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net

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I think it's a bit like half giving up smoking. It doesn't work until you stop having the occasional ciggy. If you are using a variety of cameras, some with aperture rings and some without, you'll never wean yourself off the aperture ring habit. But, like smoking, once you stop properly, y

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On Sat, Aug 19, 2006 at 10:13:25PM -0400, Adam Maas wrote: > Paul Stenquist wrote: > >>Brandan opined: > > > > > > > >>It's definitely a frustration. I wish that the > >>engineers would think more in terms of making the new > >>technology as similar to the old as possible. > > > > > > > > Exc

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--- Paul Stenquist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Your fingers must be very short. I can keep my > finger on the shutter > and easily adjust either of the *istD's shutter > dials. > Paul Yeah, see that's a big deal. I no problem with "old" method; left hand to turn aperture ring and focus/zoom,

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You've got two index fingers? The only way I've found to use the front dial reliably is with the same finger I'd use for the shutter. -Adam Paul Stenquist wrote: > Your fingers must be very short. I can keep my finger on the shutter > and easily adjust either of the *istD's shutter dials. > P

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Your fingers must be very short. I can keep my finger on the shutter and easily adjust either of the *istD's shutter dials. Paul On Aug 19, 2006, at 10:13 PM, Adam Maas wrote: > Paul Stenquist wrote: >>> Brandan opined: >> >> >> >>> It's definitely a frustration. I wish that the >>> engineers wo

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Aperture rings are continuously variable. You can set them anywhere in between the stops, at least on Pentax and Nikon bodies that allow aperture control that way. Wheels are restricted to 1/3 stops. Although that's one reason why I like thumbwheels better than shutter dials. -Adam Shel Belin

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Mark Roberts wrote: > John Forbes wrote: > > >>Like everybody else (well, almost everybody), you'll get used to it after >>a while, and then wonder why you ever thought having an aperture ring was >>a good idea. > > > When I bought my PZ-1p way back around 1999 or so the most advanced > cam

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Paul Stenquist wrote: >>Brandan opined: > > > >>It's definitely a frustration. I wish that the >>engineers would think more in terms of making the new >>technology as similar to the old as possible. > > > > Except the thumbwheels are better than the aperture control on the > lens. With two

Re: DA 100mm f2.8 Macro

- Original Message - From: "Pål Jensen" Subject: Re: DA 100mm f2.8 Macro These are two different things. I was thinking about need to set aperture in 1/3s and doubted you could see the difference in DOF. You may have been thinking about it, but you hadn't writte

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--- Shel Belinkoff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > A couple of years ago I watched James Nachtwey using > his Canon to > photograph some compelling war footage. He never > moved the camera from his > eye, making all adjustments via thumbwheels on the > camera. I could > immediately see the advant

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- Original Message - From: "Paul Stenquist" Subject: Re: DA 100mm f2.8 Macro >> Brandan opined: > >> It's definitely a frustration. I wish that the >> engineers would think more in terms of making the new >> technology as similar to the old

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--- Paul Stenquist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Brandan opined: > > > > It's definitely a frustration. I wish that the > > engineers would think more in terms of making the > new > > technology as similar to the old as possible. > > > Except the thumbwheels are better than the aperture > c

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John Forbes wrote: >Like everybody else (well, almost everybody), you'll get used to it after >a while, and then wonder why you ever thought having an aperture ring was >a good idea. When I bought my PZ-1p way back around 1999 or so the most advanced cameras I had used were the MX and ME Supe

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;s DA siblings cbwaters wrote: >Has anybody even tried to answer the original question? Is the lens a dog >or what? >CW > >- Original Message - >From: "Brendan MacRae" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: >Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2006 11:47 PM >Subject:

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- Original Message - From: "Shel Belinkoff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > The difference can be seen. I can see it easily in the RAW files, and > could > easily see such differences with film as well. > > A couple of years ago we were arguing about exposure accuracy, and you > took > the posi

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I can't say from personal experience, but from the tests and samples I've seen, it seems to be a fine lens. Not the best out there but a good performer. It's build is far from that on FA which is rock solid, also it is not made from metal, but it is said to be OK. Take it with the graib of salt

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The difference can be seen. I can see it easily in the RAW files, and could easily see such differences with film as well. A couple of years ago we were arguing about exposure accuracy, and you took the position that newer cameras with automatic exposure were more precise and accurate than older c

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- Original Message - From: "Shel Belinkoff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >A couple of years ago I watched James Nachtwey using his Canon to > photograph some compelling war footage. He never moved the camera from > his > eye, making all adjustments via thumbwheels on the camera. I could > imm

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A couple of years ago I watched James Nachtwey using his Canon to photograph some compelling war footage. He never moved the camera from his eye, making all adjustments via thumbwheels on the camera. I could immediately see the advantage to that. In addition, using electronic aperture control vi

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- Original Message - From: "Paul Stenquist" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Except the thumbwheels are better than the aperture control on the > lens. With two thumbwheels, like those on the *istD, one can adjust > either shutter or aperture while keeping both hands firmly on the > camera and a fi

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Has anybody even tried to answer the original question? Is the lens a dog or what? CW - Original Message - From: "Brendan MacRae" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2006 11:47 PM Subject: DA 100mm f2.8 Macro > Any good? I'm thinking of pi

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> Brandan opined: > It's definitely a frustration. I wish that the > engineers would think more in terms of making the new > technology as similar to the old as possible. Except the thumbwheels are better than the aperture control on the lens. With two thumbwheels, like those on the *istD, on

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John, No, not me. I still shoot film and will for quite some time. The whole idea of that lens design to me is backwards. After all, for me photography is lenses so changing them greatly just rubs me the wrong way. What next? Since the camera is autofocus then no manual focus ring? It's true tha

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Brendan, Like everybody else (well, almost everybody), you'll get used to it after a while, and then wonder why you ever thought having an aperture ring was a good idea. John On Sat, 19 Aug 2006 18:06:43 +0100, Brendan MacRae <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > --- John Francis <[EMAIL PROT

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--- John Francis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Fri, Aug 18, 2006 at 10:28:12PM -0700, Brendan > MacRae wrote: > > > > > > Thanks for setting me straight, Godfrey. Good > lord, I > > had no idea the DSLR's operated that way. Now I'm > just > > pissed off. Do the *ist series film cameras > ope

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On Fri, Aug 18, 2006 at 10:28:12PM -0700, Brendan MacRae wrote: > > > Thanks for setting me straight, Godfrey. Good lord, I > had no idea the DSLR's operated that way. Now I'm just > pissed off. Do the *ist series film cameras operate > that way as well? Where the hell have I been? > > You see,

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The Panasonic DMC-L1 allows use of an aperture ring to set aperture (on lenses so equipped), but the aperture ring is entirely virtual, it's not a mechanical aperture ring, just an electronic control on the lens (just like the focus ring on all Oly and Leica 4/3rds lenses) -Adam Brendan MacRa

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Precisely. I had to write off an A 1:1.7 50mm because of a problem with the little springs that control the A setting button. These parts don't exist on the ringless lenses. Fortunately a nice man from Newcastle took it off my hands. John On Sat, 19 Aug 2006 04:45:42 +0100, Godfrey DiG

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All Pentaxes (I think) allow direct aperture setting, but some (A3, ME and variants) do not allow manual setting of the shutter speed. John On Sat, 19 Aug 2006 06:20:37 +0100, Don Williams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Is there an SLR that does not allow direct setting of the aperture? > > Do

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--- Godfrey DiGiorgi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Practically every SLR, film or digital, made since > the middle 1990s, > other than the MZ-S and a couple others. Canon > actually started doing > things this way with the A1 back in, what, 1974 or > so? Seems strange, however, that Pentax

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On Aug 18, 2006, at 10:28 PM, Brendan MacRae wrote: >> Nearly all modern SLRs set the aperture manually via >> a control on the >> body. Nikon, Canon, Minolta aka Sony, Pentax. In not >> so much time, >> you might not have any option to buy anything else >> other than as used >> gear. > > Ok, but

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--- Godfrey DiGiorgi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Not true. The aperture of any A/F/FA/DA lens is set > by the body in > all modes with any of the Pentax DSLRs, presuming > the aperture ring > (if the lens has one) is set to the A position. In > Av and Manual > mode, you set the apertu

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Is there an SLR that does not allow direct setting of the aperture? Don W Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: > On Aug 18, 2006, at 9:23 PM, Brendan MacRae wrote: > >>> Most of my A, F and FA series lenses have never been >>> taken off the A >>> setting since I bought them, and I shoot almost 95% >>> of the

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On Aug 18, 2006, at 9:23 PM, Brendan MacRae wrote: >> Most of my A, F and FA series lenses have never been >> taken off the A >> setting since I bought them, and I shoot almost 95% >> of the time with >> the camera in Aperture Priority exposure mode. > > With the lens on "A" you're actually shoot

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--- Godfrey DiGiorgi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Most of my A, F and FA series lenses have never been > taken off the A > setting since I bought them, and I shoot almost 95% > of the time with > the camera in Aperture Priority exposure mode. With the lens on "A" you're actually shooting in

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On Aug 18, 2006, at 6:39 PM, Digital Image Studio wrote: > On 19/08/06, Godfrey DiGiorgi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> A lens without an aperture ring is less likely to break no matter >> what you choose to do with it: it has fewer parts to break. > > Huh? It just doesn't have an aperture ring,

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Huh??? It's set by the camera. Like almost every other lens in the world today. Paul On Aug 18, 2006, at 9:39 PM, Digital Image Studio wrote: > On 19/08/06, Godfrey DiGiorgi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> A lens without an aperture ring is less likely to break no matter >> what you choose to do

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On 19/08/06, Godfrey DiGiorgi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > A lens without an aperture ring is less likely to break no matter > what you choose to do with it: it has fewer parts to break. Huh? It just doesn't have an aperture ring, the aperture isn't set by magic otherwise. -- Rob Studdert HURST

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On Aug 18, 2006, at 10:32 AM, John Francis wrote: > If, however, you use an MZ-S (which is, IIRC, the body mentioned > earlier on in this thread) a lens without an aperture ring isn't > an ideal match. Fine and dandy, I haven't followed the whole thread. It was a puzzling statement as it stood.

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The lens I use almost all the time since I got it -- a Sigma Macro Apo Super 70-300 has no aperture ring and I didn't notice until I read this post. I use it in aperture priority, set to macro, for about 80% of the pictures I've been taking this summer. The other two I use most are a Sigma 50/2

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On Fri, Aug 18, 2006 at 10:00:13AM -0700, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: > > On Aug 18, 2006, at 8:08 AM, Brendan MacRae wrote: > > > .. I won't buy a lens without a f-stop ring since I shoot a great > > deal in Aperture Priority. I just don't want a plastic > > lens that's going to break the first time

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On Aug 18, 2006, at 8:08 AM, Brendan MacRae wrote: > .. I won't buy a lens without a f-stop ring since I shoot a great > deal in Aperture Priority. I just don't want a plastic > lens that's going to break the first time it's used. .. A lens without an aperture ring is less likely to break no mat

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Right, Adam. I just left off the FA Part. I won't buy a lens without a f-stop ring since I shoot a great deal in Aperture Priority. I just don't want a plastic lens that's going to break the first time it's used. -Brendan --- Adam Maas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Brendan MacRae wrote: > > Any g

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Brendan MacRae wrote: > Any good? I'm thinking of picking one up and selling > the Vivitar Series 1 105mm f2.5. > > I'm concerned about it being a cheap plastic blob. Is > it? > > -Brendan > It's actually a D-FA lens with aperture ring and full 35mm compatibility. Lighter build than the FA ver

DA 100mm f2.8 Macro

Any good? I'm thinking of picking one up and selling the Vivitar Series 1 105mm f2.5. I'm concerned about it being a cheap plastic blob. Is it? -Brendan __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.