Re: OT: Kodak and the Future of Film

2009-01-04 Thread Adam Maas
Well use of professional emulsions is pretty stable these days (if anything, it's increasing slowly). And it's the one solid business other than Patents that Kodak has since they've buggered themselves with every aspect of Digital they've tried other than buying Leaf, leaving it alone and calling

Re: OT: Kodak and the Future of Film

2009-01-04 Thread Mark Roberts
Rick Womer wrote: From the Rochester Democrat and Chronicle, in a link from a thread on photo.net: http://tinyurl.com/9vyla8 Hope springs eternal, I guess... Reading between the lines of the main part of the article, and explicitly in the comments from Rowe Photo, it seems that slide film

Re: OT: Kodak and the Future of Film

2009-01-04 Thread Adam Maas
On Sun, Jan 4, 2009 at 1:32 PM, Mark Roberts msrobert...@ysu.edu wrote: Rick Womer wrote: From the Rochester Democrat and Chronicle, in a link from a thread on photo.net: http://tinyurl.com/9vyla8 Hope springs eternal, I guess... Reading between the lines of the main part of the article,

OT: Kodak and the Future of Film

2009-01-04 Thread Rick Womer
From the Rochester Democrat and Chronicle, in a link from a thread on photo.net: http://tinyurl.com/9vyla8 Hope springs eternal, I guess... Rick http://photo.net/photos/RickW -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE

Re: OT: Kodak and the Future of Film

2009-01-04 Thread Mark Roberts
Adam Maas wrote: On Sun, Jan 4, 2009 at 1:32 PM, Mark Roberts msrobert...@ysu.edu wrote: Rick Womer wrote: From the Rochester Democrat and Chronicle, in a link from a thread on photo.net: http://tinyurl.com/9vyla8 Hope springs eternal, I guess... Reading between the lines of the main part

Re: OT: Kodak and the Future of Film

2009-01-04 Thread Adam Maas
On Sun, Jan 4, 2009 at 3:47 PM, Mark Roberts msrobert...@ysu.edu wrote: Adam Maas wrote: On Sun, Jan 4, 2009 at 1:32 PM, Mark Roberts msrobert...@ysu.edu wrote: Rick Womer wrote: From the Rochester Democrat and Chronicle, in a link from a thread on photo.net: http://tinyurl.com/9vyla8

Re: The Future of Film?

2006-01-26 Thread P. J. Alling
Yea, I guess. frank theriault wrote: On 1/21/06, P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Godfrey, I love ya, but sometimes you rub people the wrong way. Now there's a straightline just begging for a punchline... LOL cheers, frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri

Re: The Future of Film?

2006-01-24 Thread Eactivist
In a message dated 1/24/2006 2:26:22 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On 1/21/06, P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Godfrey, I love ya, but sometimes you rub people the wrong way. Now there's a straightline just begging for a punchline... LOL cheers, frank =

Re: The Future of Film?

2006-01-23 Thread frank theriault
On 1/21/06, P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Godfrey, I love ya, but sometimes you rub people the wrong way. Now there's a straightline just begging for a punchline... LOL cheers, frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson

Re: The Future of Film?

2006-01-20 Thread P. J. Alling
I shoot digital, and I shoot film, both 35mm and medium format. I know how much detail I lose over 35mm when I shoot digital, just as I know how much detail I lose shooting 35mm vs medium format. If he's happy with digital, (APS), converted to negatives then made into platinum prints, that's

Re: The Future of Film?

2006-01-20 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
On Jan 20, 2006, at 12:22 PM, P. J. Alling wrote: I shoot digital, and I shoot film, both 35mm and medium format. I know how much detail I lose over 35mm when I shoot digital, just as I know how much detail I lose shooting 35mm vs medium format. If he's happy with digital, (APS),

Re: The Future of Film?

2006-01-20 Thread P. J. Alling
You're such an opinionated snob, I can't help but feel sorry for you, do you honestly think that we can't judge items based on our experience? I've only been involved with photography for about 35 years. I've was exposed to platinum prints and looked into producing them myself about 30 years

Re: The Future of Film?

2006-01-20 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
Can't understand a joke either, can you? your opinionated snob, G On Jan 20, 2006, at 2:38 PM, P. J. Alling wrote: You're such an opinionated snob, I can't help but feel sorry for you, do you honestly think that we can't judge items based on our experience? I've only been involved with

Re: The Future of Film?

2006-01-20 Thread P. J. Alling
Godfrey, I love ya, but sometimes you rub people the wrong way. Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: Can't understand a joke either, can you? your opinionated snob, G On Jan 20, 2006, at 2:38 PM, P. J. Alling wrote: You're such an opinionated snob, I can't help but feel sorry for you, do you honestly

Re: The Future of Film?

2006-01-19 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: Butch Black Subject: Re: The Future of Film? I'd be curious if you think a higher percentage of business lost was from who had some clue about taking pictures. Absolutely, as much as any Wal-Mart customers have a clue about taking pictures.. Film users

Re: The Future of Film?

2006-01-19 Thread Dave Kennedy
My local camera shop (small town about 10,000), is now selling off the E6 inventory, and is not planning to get any more. They said no-one buys it anymore. I know I haven't since I got my DS. dk On 1/18/06, Jack Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Prox' a year ago, a local camera shop (with C-41

Re: The Future of Film?

2006-01-19 Thread Mark Roberts
BTW folks: Lost in the announcement that there will be no more Minolta cameras is the fact that there will also be no more Konica film after March 2007. http://news.com.com/Konica+Minolta+abandons+cameras%2C+film/2100-1041_3-6028551.html?tag=nefd.top This doesn't give the definitive answer to

Re: The Future of Film?

2006-01-19 Thread frank theriault
On 1/19/06, Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: BTW folks: Lost in the announcement that there will be no more Minolta cameras is the fact that there will also be no more Konica film after March 2007.

Re: The Future of Film?

2006-01-19 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
Went to a Pacific Arts League Photo Interest Group (PAL PHIG) presentation last evening that centered on using digitally produced negatives for large format platinum/palladium/cyanotype printing. Beautiful prints. Truly beautiful. A pain the butt to produce, a lot of muss and chemistry,

Re: The Future of Film?

2006-01-19 Thread Kostas Kavoussanakis
On Thu, 19 Jan 2006, Mark Roberts wrote: http://news.com.com/Konica+Minolta+abandons+cameras%2C+film/2100-1041_3-6028551.html?tag=nefd.top This doesn't give the definitive answer to the question in the subject line of this thread, but it's one helluva hint. Thanks Mark. It says Fuji is

Re: The Future of Film?

2006-01-19 Thread P. J. Alling
...and developing equipment and chemicals. frank theriault wrote: On 1/19/06, Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: BTW folks: Lost in the announcement that there will be no more Minolta cameras is the fact that there will also be no more Konica film after March 2007.

Re: The Future of Film?

2006-01-19 Thread P. J. Alling
I think the presenter missed the point. Still if he's happy... Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: Went to a Pacific Arts League Photo Interest Group (PAL PHIG) presentation last evening that centered on using digitally produced negatives for large format platinum/palladium/cyanotype printing.

Re: The Future of Film?

2006-01-19 Thread Mark Roberts
frank theriault [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 1/19/06, Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: BTW folks: Lost in the announcement that there will be no more Minolta cameras is the fact that there will also be no more Konica film after March 2007.

Re: The Future of Film?

2006-01-19 Thread Mark Roberts
P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: frank theriault wrote: It (discontinuing their line of film) almost follows logically from their abandoning cameras. ...and developing equipment and chemicals. Perhaps Fuji will supply these materials for Konica minilabs the way they are going to do for

Re: The Future of Film?

2006-01-19 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: Godfrey DiGiorgi Subject: Re: The Future of Film? In the words of the presenter, Who cares about taking pictures on film? I always hated carrying 40 pounds of camera and junk into the field ... now I can carry my digital camera, or my film camera

Re: The Future of Film?

2006-01-19 Thread P. J. Alling
That answers my last question. Mark Roberts wrote: BTW folks: Lost in the announcement that there will be no more Minolta cameras is the fact that there will also be no more Konica film after March 2007.

Re: The Future of Film?

2006-01-19 Thread P. J. Alling
I think there's still a couple of small manufactures of Color reversal materials in Europe, one was in Italy last I heard. They were making niche products to begin with. Maybe they will continue. Mark Roberts wrote: P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: frank theriault wrote: It

Re: The Future of Film?

2006-01-19 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: P. J. Alling Subject: Re: The Future of Film? I think there's still a couple of small manufactures of Color reversal materials in Europe, one was in Italy last I heard. They were making niche products to begin with. Maybe they will continue. If niche

RE: The Future of Film?

2006-01-19 Thread Bob W
BTW folks: Lost in the announcement that there will be no more Minolta cameras is the fact that there will also be no more Konica film after March 2007. http://news.com.com/Konica+Minolta+abandons+cameras%2C+film/2100-1041_ 3-6028551.html?tag=nefd.top This doesn't give the

Re: The Future of Film?

2006-01-19 Thread E.R.N. Reed
William Robb wrote: Absolutely, as much as any Wal-Mart customers have a clue about taking pictures.. HEY!

Re: The Future of Film?

2006-01-19 Thread Adam Maas
There's an italian manufacturer of colour film, they make it in 35mm and several wierd formats. Ferrania is the name IIRC. -Adam P. J. Alling wrote: I think there's still a couple of small manufactures of Color reversal materials in Europe, one was in Italy last I heard. They were making

Re: The Future of Film?

2006-01-19 Thread Mark Roberts
Bob W [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think it's more interesting than them pulling out of the camera business. When I've been in Africa it has struck me that the most advertised film, and possibly the most widely available, was Konica. I wonder where this leaves the argument that the 3rd world will

Re: The Future of Film?

2006-01-19 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: Adam Maas Subject: Re: The Future of Film? There's an italian manufacturer of colour film, they make it in 35mm and several wierd formats. Ferrania is the name IIRC. And you would want to use the stuff? Think carefully before answering. William Robb

Re: The Future of Film?

2006-01-19 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: Bob W Subject: RE: The Future of Film? I think it's more interesting than them pulling out of the camera business. When I've been in Africa it has struck me that the most advertised film, and possibly the most widely available, was Konica. I wonder

Re: The Future of Film?

2006-01-19 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: E.R.N. Reed Subject: Re: The Future of Film? Absolutely, as much as any Wal-Mart customers have a clue about taking pictures.. HEY! Present company excepted, of course. William Robb

Re: The Future of Film?

2006-01-19 Thread Adam Maas
William Robb wrote: - Original Message - From: Adam Maas Subject: Re: The Future of Film? There's an italian manufacturer of colour film, they make it in 35mm and several wierd formats. Ferrania is the name IIRC. And you would want to use the stuff? Think carefully before

Re: The Future of Film?

2006-01-19 Thread Mark Roberts
William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Adam Maas There's an italian manufacturer of colour film, they make it in 35mm and several wierd formats. Ferrania is the name IIRC. And you would want to use the stuff? The only reason anyone would want to use the stuff is if there's nothing else

Re: The Future of Film?

2006-01-19 Thread Adam Maas
Mark Roberts wrote: William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Adam Maas There's an italian manufacturer of colour film, they make it in 35mm and several wierd formats. Ferrania is the name IIRC. And you would want to use the stuff? The only reason anyone would want to use the stuff

Re: The Future of Film?

2006-01-19 Thread P. J. Alling
I someone else making 126 film or did Ferranaia stop. I'd love to get a couple of rolls for my Kodak Instamatic 500 with Schneider-Kreuznach 38mm/f2.8 lens, but the price was just too high, maybe competition would cause them to lower the price. Then again I'd really prefer a nice medium

Re: The Future of Film?

2006-01-19 Thread Adam Maas
ADOX is now making it as well. But only cheapo colur film. I looked into getting a Contax 126 camera (I have a line on a couple lenses for reasonable prices) but without BW film, I'm not interested. -Adam P. J. Alling wrote: I someone else making 126 film or did Ferranaia stop. I'd love to

Re: The Future of Film?

2006-01-19 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
On Jan 19, 2006, at 11:17 AM, William Robb wrote: In the words of the presenter, Who cares about taking pictures on film? I always hated carrying 40 pounds of camera and junk into the field ... now I can carry my digital camera, or my film camera, and have all the advantages they

Re: The Future of Film?

2006-01-19 Thread Tom C
Most single use cameras have always been submitted by young girls (under 12) and teenagers. William Robb That's why I don't take my single use cameras to Walmart. Tom C

Re: The Future of Film?

2006-01-19 Thread P. J. Alling
I have seen cyanotype and platinum/paladium prints, they're even better if the source image is exceptional, such as an 4x5 or 8x10 plate. Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: On Jan 19, 2006, at 11:17 AM, William Robb wrote: In the words of the presenter, Who cares about taking pictures on film? I

Re: The Future of Film?

2006-01-19 Thread Cesar
After following this thread for a bit I can see that I am really fortunate with my photo lab. They still do E-6 in-house. The amount they do has diminished so that they only do it three days a week. I am sure that they can accomodate a rush - but the pricing would have to reflect that. I

Re: The Future of Film?

2006-01-19 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: Godfrey DiGiorgi Subject: Re: The Future of Film? You have to see cyanotype and platinum/palladium prints. You cannot reproduce the textural qualities of these prints with an inkjet print at all. The differences are not just tonal qualities or resolving

Re: The Future of Film?

2006-01-19 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
On Jan 19, 2006, at 9:01 PM, P. J. Alling wrote: I have seen cyanotype and platinum/paladium prints, they're even better if the source image is exceptional, such as an 4x5 or 8x10 plate. This gentleman's source material was exceptional. All of it, whether film or digital negative from

Re: Carl Zeiss and the Future of Film

2006-01-18 Thread Lucas Rijnders
Op Wed, 18 Jan 2006 08:50:53 +0100 schreef Gautam Sarup [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I for one hope they are right. I get enough of computers and digital things all day long at work and sometimes all night too. So when I'm free I prefer to do things analog. Shooting film and processing it in the

RE: Carl Zeiss and the Future of Film

2006-01-18 Thread Jens Bladt
of Film - Original Message - From: Shel Belinkoff Subject: Carl Zeiss and the Future of Film Zeiss' comments on the future of film. Might be worth reading ;-)) http://www.zeiss.com/c12567a8003b58b9/Contents-Frame/4bf4f17db8a270c3c12570f 90043c228 Might be total crap too. I would venture

Re: Carl Zeiss and the Future of Film

2006-01-18 Thread Chris Stoddart
On Tue, 17 Jan 2006, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: Film sales are declining more rapidly than any of the industry folks had thought it would as recently as three years ago. I have to weigh in; apart from in China where film sales are up dramatically (source Amateur Photographer magazine, UK).

Re: Carl Zeiss and the Future of Film

2006-01-18 Thread Sylwester Pietrzyk
Chris Stoddart wrote on 18.01.06 11:00: I have to weigh in; apart from in China where film sales are up dramatically (source Amateur Photographer magazine, UK). Apparently China is not going direct to digital as many predicted, but growing its market via film. Several new Chinese factories

Re: Re: Carl Zeiss and the Future of Film

2006-01-18 Thread mike wilson
From: Sylwester Pietrzyk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2006/01/18 Wed AM 10:06:20 GMT To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net pentax-discuss@pdml.net Subject: Re: Carl Zeiss and the Future of Film Chris Stoddart wrote on 18.01.06 11:00: I have to weigh in; apart from in China where film sales are up

Re: Carl Zeiss and the Future of Film

2006-01-18 Thread Mark Roberts
Godfrey DiGiorgi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Zeiss comments are marketing assurance to buyers of Zeiss products who want a secure feeling. I happened to meet an old business friend from EK at Macworld. He is one of the honchos on the film engineering side of the game. His statement was that

Re: Carl Zeiss and the Future of Film

2006-01-18 Thread Bob Shell
On Jan 18, 2006, at 7:46 AM, Mark Roberts wrote: It's true. If you shoot BW you're probably OK, but if you're into color digital is probably in your future whether you like it or not and sooner than you think. Right. Black and white film is relatively easy to make. Color film

Re: Carl Zeiss and the Future of Film

2006-01-18 Thread Sylwester Pietrzyk
Bob Shell wrote on 18.01.06 14:14: Right. Black and white film is relatively easy to make. Color film requires one of the most complex chemical manufacturing processes ever developed. I don't give color film a long lifespan at all. My personal predictions: color transparency film will be

Re: Carl Zeiss and the Future of Film

2006-01-18 Thread Shel Belinkoff
To hear some people speak - and not only on the subject of film as in this thread - the world stops pretty close to their front door. Shel [Original Message] From: Chris Stoddart On Tue, 17 Jan 2006, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: Film sales are declining more rapidly than any of the industry

Re: Carl Zeiss and the Future of Film

2006-01-18 Thread Mark Roberts
Bob Shell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jan 18, 2006, at 7:46 AM, Mark Roberts wrote: It's true. If you shoot BW you're probably OK, but if you're into color digital is probably in your future whether you like it or not and sooner than you think. Right. Black and white film is relatively

Re: Carl Zeiss and the Future of Film

2006-01-18 Thread Adam Maas
Bob Shell wrote: On Jan 18, 2006, at 7:46 AM, Mark Roberts wrote: It's true. If you shoot BW you're probably OK, but if you're into color digital is probably in your future whether you like it or not and sooner than you think. Right. Black and white film is relatively easy to make.

RE: Carl Zeiss and the Future of Film

2006-01-18 Thread Don Sanderson
Must know more! ;-) Please enlighten us Adam. Don -Original Message- From: Adam Maas [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 12:07 AM To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Subject: Re: Carl Zeiss and the Future of Film snip Heck, for developer, Folgers and Baking Soda

Re: Carl Zeiss and the Future of Film

2006-01-18 Thread Scott Loveless
enlighten us Adam. Don -Original Message- From: Adam Maas [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 12:07 AM To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Subject: Re: Carl Zeiss and the Future of Film snip Heck, for developer, Folgers and Baking Soda works. -Adam

RE: Carl Zeiss and the Future of Film

2006-01-18 Thread Don Sanderson
Now that sounds like fun! And the baking soda? Don -Original Message- From: Scott Loveless [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 9:35 AM To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Subject: Re: Carl Zeiss and the Future of Film Put your film in a daylight tank. Dump

RE: Carl Zeiss and the Future of Film

2006-01-18 Thread Shel Belinkoff
Don't you want biscuits with your coffee? Shel [Original Message] From: Don Sanderson Now that sounds like fun! And the baking soda? Don -Original Message- From: Scott Loveless Put your film in a daylight tank. Dump in the coffee. (Room temperature, please.g) Let

Re: Carl Zeiss and the Future of Film

2006-01-18 Thread Scott Loveless
-discuss@pdml.net Subject: Re: Carl Zeiss and the Future of Film Put your film in a daylight tank. Dump in the coffee. (Room temperature, please.g) Let it STAND overnight. No agitation. You'll probably end up with positives that display a bit of a solarization effect. YMMV. On 1

Re: Carl Zeiss and the Future of Film

2006-01-18 Thread Bob Shell
On Jan 18, 2006, at 10:54 AM, Scott Loveless wrote: Once again, why use coffee? Because it is there? Bob

Re: Carl Zeiss and the Future of Film

2006-01-18 Thread frank theriault
On 1/17/06, Shel Belinkoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Zeiss' comments on the future of film. Might be worth reading ;-)) http://www.zeiss.com/c12567a8003b58b9/Contents-Frame/4bf4f17db8a270c3c12570f 90043c228 or http://tinyurl.com/chgty Thanks for an interesting link, Shel. I have

RE: Carl Zeiss and the Future of Film

2006-01-18 Thread Don Sanderson
Same reason I still shoot with a FED2 occasionally, it's fun! ;-) Don -Original Message- From: Scott Loveless [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 9:55 AM To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Subject: Re: Carl Zeiss and the Future of Film On 1/18/06, Don Sanderson

RE: Carl Zeiss and the Future of Film

2006-01-18 Thread Don Sanderson
I thought that was baking _powder_. ;-) Don -Original Message- From: Shel Belinkoff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 9:49 AM To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Subject: RE: Carl Zeiss and the Future of Film Don't you want biscuits with your coffee? Shel

RE: Carl Zeiss and the Future of Film

2006-01-18 Thread Don Sanderson
Hey, if you use baking soda, and vinegar Wonder how high the lid on the tank would fly? ;-) Don -Original Message- From: Scott Loveless [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 9:55 AM To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Subject: Re: Carl Zeiss and the Future of Film

Re: Carl Zeiss and the Future of Film

2006-01-18 Thread Adam Maas
Subject: Re: Carl Zeiss and the Future of Film snip Heck, for developer, Folgers and Baking Soda works. -Adam

Re: Carl Zeiss and the Future of Film

2006-01-18 Thread Adam Maas
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 9:35 AM To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Subject: Re: Carl Zeiss and the Future of Film Put your film in a daylight tank. Dump in the coffee. (Room temperature, please.g) Let it STAND overnight. No agitation. You'll probably end up

Re: Carl Zeiss and the Future of Film

2006-01-18 Thread Adam Maas
frank theriault wrote: Thanks for an interesting link, Shel. I have a feeling that Zeiss is right, and that film will be around for a while yet, although I do agree with those subsequent posters who opined that colour may be at or near it's death throes. I do think that some BW films will

RE: Carl Zeiss and the Future of Film

2006-01-18 Thread Shel Belinkoff
To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Subject: RE: Carl Zeiss and the Future of Film Don't you want biscuits with your coffee? Shel [Original Message] From: Don Sanderson Now that sounds like fun! And the baking soda? Don -Original Message- From: Scott

Re: Carl Zeiss and the Future of Film

2006-01-18 Thread frank theriault
On 1/18/06, Adam Maas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tri-X is the one that I regularly use that I'm worried about. I don't trust Kodak. That said, I'll shoot Lucky Tri-X if I have to. Well, yeah, there's that, too. There'll be someone somewhere in some 3rd world country that keeps making a TriX

RE: Carl Zeiss and the Future of Film

2006-01-18 Thread Don Sanderson
12:07 AM To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Subject: Re: Carl Zeiss and the Future of Film snip Heck, for developer, Folgers and Baking Soda works. -Adam

Re: Carl Zeiss and the Future of Film

2006-01-18 Thread P. J. Alling
for high quality/resolution photographs. Jens Bladt http://www.jensbladt.dk -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: William Robb [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sendt: 18. januar 2006 04:09 Til: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Emne: Re: Carl Zeiss and the Future of Film - Original Message - From: Shel

The Future of Film?

2006-01-18 Thread William Robb
Every year, I do a 'snapshot of where my lab is, in relation to past years. In 2003, we processed more film than we had ever done before. I track the 2 weeks before Christmas to the middle of January for my Christmas rush volume numbers, since the rush seems to die off around the 10th, for

Re: Carl Zeiss and the Future of Film

2006-01-18 Thread P. J. Alling
Silver nitrate is still used in medicine as an antibiotic. Too much will kill your septic system. (This should be ambiguous enough). Mark Roberts wrote: Bob Shell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jan 18, 2006, at 7:46 AM, Mark Roberts wrote: It's true. If you shoot BW you're probably

Re: Carl Zeiss and the Future of Film

2006-01-18 Thread P. J. Alling
The raison d’être of many a hobby. Bob Shell wrote: On Jan 18, 2006, at 10:54 AM, Scott Loveless wrote: Once again, why use coffee? Because it is there? Bob -- When you're worried or in doubt, Run in circles, (scream and shout).

Re: The Future of Film?

2006-01-18 Thread John Forbes
Perhaps we've reached the point where most of those who want to go digital have done so, and there now remains a hard core of film afficionados that may dwindle gradually over a longish period. But there is one question to ask. Bill, are you aware of other labs in your vicinity which have

RE: The Future of Film?

2006-01-18 Thread Malcolm Smith
John Forbes wrote: Perhaps we've reached the point where most of those who want to go digital have done so, and there now remains a hard core of film afficionados that may dwindle gradually over a longish period. I have a horrible feeling this film lark will become a costly habit in the

Re: The Future of Film?

2006-01-18 Thread Mark Roberts
William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Film processing volumes (C-41) have been dropping off steadily for the past couple of years. If we treat 03 as 100%, 04 was 57%, 05 was 50%. I was surprised to find film processing volumes had only dropped off another 7% from the 03 numbers, although the %

Re: The Future of Film?

2006-01-18 Thread Bob Shell
On Jan 18, 2006, at 3:37 PM, Mark Roberts wrote: Got any stats for E6 or don't you guys do slide film? My local lab used to run E6 once a day, sometimes twice a day when volume was high. Now they run it once a week, and some weeks only have two or three rolls. I expect them to stop

Re: The Future of Film?

2006-01-18 Thread Mark Roberts
Bob Shell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jan 18, 2006, at 3:37 PM, Mark Roberts wrote: Got any stats for E6 or don't you guys do slide film? My local lab used to run E6 once a day, sometimes twice a day when volume was high. Now they run it once a week, and some weeks only have two or three

Re: The Future of Film?

2006-01-18 Thread Jack Davis
Prox' a year ago, a local camera shop (with C-41 and digital services lab.) was told by Kodak that the E-6 volume was insufficient to justify their continuing to pick up film. This past Fall, local Walgreen's Mgr. said Kodak pick-ups had dropped to twice weekly and their stopping at all was only

Re: The Future of Film?

2006-01-18 Thread Sylwester Pietrzyk
On 2006-01-18, at 22:14, Mark Roberts wrote: Sounds about right. I worked part time at a local photo shop until it closed this past June. We were one of the few places in Pittsburgh that did E6 and we were down to 2-3 rolls on a good day. 0 rolls for a day was not uncommon. Here in Poland

Re: The Future of Film?

2006-01-18 Thread Mark Roberts
Sylwester Pietrzyk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 2006-01-18, at 22:14, Mark Roberts wrote: Sounds about right. I worked part time at a local photo shop until it closed this past June. We were one of the few places in Pittsburgh that did E6 and we were down to 2-3 rolls on a good day. 0 rolls

Re: Carl Zeiss and the Future of Film

2006-01-18 Thread Rob Studdert
On 18 Jan 2006 at 6:38, Shel Belinkoff wrote: To hear some people speak - and not only on the subject of film as in this thread - the world stops pretty close to their front door. It's all relative really, if their (the Chinese made, I'm assuming that they will develop their own industry)

Re: Carl Zeiss and the Future of Film

2006-01-18 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: P. J. Alling Subject: Re: Carl Zeiss and the Future of Film Silver nitrate is still used in medicine as an antibiotic. Too much will kill your septic system. Unless you are deliberately dumping the stuff down your drain, it should never be a problem

Re: The Future of Film?

2006-01-18 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: Mark Roberts Subject: Re: The Future of Film? Got any stats for E6 or don't you guys do slide film? I don't, but I have an in at the local pro shop. I'll be there on Friday picking up some 16 roll paper for my new printer, so I'll ask them. William

Re: The Future of Film?

2006-01-18 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: John Forbes Subject: Re: The Future of Film? Perhaps we've reached the point where most of those who want to go digital have done so, and there now remains a hard core of film afficionados that may dwindle gradually over a longish period. Many

Re: Carl Zeiss and the Future of Film

2006-01-18 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: Mark Roberts Subject: Re: Carl Zeiss and the Future of Film Not to mention the complexity of processing color film. (I also understand that the chemistry for color processing is much more toxic to the environment than BW chemistry.) Colour is actually

Re: The Future of Film?

2006-01-18 Thread Mark Roberts
William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Many of the film customers now are using disposable cameras. This is almost 1/3 of all fim we take in. You must live in a posh neighborhood! g We were running a much higher percentage disposable camera processing when the shop was open. And this in an

Re: The Future of Film?

2006-01-18 Thread Shel Belinkoff
Here in the SF Bay Area, more specifically, San Francisco and parts of the East Bay, E6 is processed by a number of labs, many giving one hour service. Several labs here have noticed an upturn in their film processing as quite a few people have become disenchanted with digital for any number of

Re: The Future of Film?

2006-01-18 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: Shel Belinkoff Subject: Re: The Future of Film? The San Francisco area may be the film using and processing capital of the US ;-)) Enjoy it while it lasts. William Robb

Re: The Future of Film?

2006-01-18 Thread derbyc
Quoting William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED]: - Original Message - From: Shel Belinkoff Subject: Re: The Future of Film? The San Francisco area may be the film using and processing capital of the US ;-)) Enjoy it while it lasts. William Robb Dead cat bouncing

Re: The Future of Film?

2006-01-18 Thread Scott Loveless
I live in a tiny little town in southern Pennslytucky. The nearest city is Hagerstown, MD, population 38,000. The only camera shop (that I know of) in Hagerstown still does E-6 on a two hour service. Push or pull processing is next day. The next time I'm in there, I'll ask about their volume

Re: The Future of Film?

2006-01-18 Thread Butch Black
William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Film processing volumes (C-41) have been dropping off steadily for the past couple of years. If we treat 03 as 100%, 04 was 57%, 05 was 50%. I was surprised to find film processing volumes had only dropped off another 7% from the 03 numbers, although the

Carl Zeiss and the Future of Film

2006-01-17 Thread Shel Belinkoff
Zeiss' comments on the future of film. Might be worth reading ;-)) http://www.zeiss.com/c12567a8003b58b9/Contents-Frame/4bf4f17db8a270c3c12570f 90043c228 or http://tinyurl.com/chgty Shel

Re: Carl Zeiss and the Future of Film

2006-01-17 Thread Paul Stenquist
I guess that's exactly what one might expect to hear from a company that makes only film cameras. Paul On Jan 17, 2006, at 9:53 PM, Shel Belinkoff wrote: Zeiss' comments on the future of film. Might be worth reading ;-)) http://www.zeiss.com/c12567a8003b58b9/Contents-Frame

Re: Carl Zeiss and the Future of Film

2006-01-17 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: Shel Belinkoff Subject: Carl Zeiss and the Future of Film Zeiss' comments on the future of film. Might be worth reading ;-)) http://www.zeiss.com/c12567a8003b58b9/Contents-Frame/4bf4f17db8a270c3c12570f 90043c228 Might be total crap too. I would venture

Re: Carl Zeiss and the Future of Film

2006-01-17 Thread Mishka
i am afraid you are confusing the cause and the consequence: they *started* making film cameras only last year, when (according to some on this list) film was dead. now they are explaining why they did that. best, mishka On 1/17/06, Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I guess that's

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