"Injuns" of Canada - Posting photos of street art can get you arrested.

2013-04-12 Thread Bipin Gupta
Bill how sad, that Canada treated the real owners of Canada so pathetically. Come to think of it, when I was in Boarding School - run by the Christian Brothers of Ireland - movies were screened every weekend in the School Theater cum Study Room cum Museum. Lots of them were Injuns vs Cowboys / US A

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2013-04-12 Thread Bill
On 12/04/2013 1:50 AM, Alan C wrote: Apartheid has been gone for 20 years but still gets the blame. You can't fix what was a racial travesty in one generation. Until everyone who lived with Apartheid are dead and buried, Apartheid is going to resonate in your society. We had our own form of

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2013-04-12 Thread Bob Sullivan
Alan, I appreciate your comments and insight from outside the USA. My daughter-in-law is a special education teacher in the public schools. This year she sees students who are 2 or 3 years behind in reading or math. But they are the good stories with involved parents. Before this, she taught 5+ yea

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2013-04-12 Thread Alan C
The educational side of this thread has been most interesting. I thought the educational system in SA was very bad but it seems the problems are universal. We have private schools funded by the parents (no Govt. assistance) which have the best facilities and teachers. Costs are very high but r

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2013-04-11 Thread Bob W
On 12 Apr 2013, at 01:16, "Daniel J. Matyola" wrote: > Everyone wants to blame someone, and everyone blames those they > disagree with politically. >> I blame the scapegoats [1] Bob [1] joke shamelessly stolen from John O'Farrel -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml

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2013-04-11 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
Everyone wants to blame someone, and everyone blames those they disagree with politically. Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 6:24 PM, John Sessoms wrote: > No, I'm blaming the right wing war against public education that sprang up > to resist th

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2013-04-11 Thread John Sessoms
No, I'm blaming the right wing war against public education that sprang up to resist the Supreme Court's Brown v. Board of Education ruling for declining school performance. From: David Parsons Are you blaming integration for declining school performance? On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 2:56 PM, John

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2013-04-11 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
It still works well in the wealthy suburbs. That's not the point. Dan Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 2:56 PM, John Sessoms wrote: > From: Boris Liberman >> >> On 4/10/2013 9:38 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote: >>> >>> We've had universal public ed

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2013-04-11 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
Believe it or not, some progress is possible, even here in New Jersey. The problem is entrenched power in the local school boards and the unions. We spend vast amounts of money on the public education system; we need to demand better results. Dan M Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/

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2013-04-11 Thread David Parsons
Are you blaming integration for declining school performance? On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 2:56 PM, John Sessoms wrote: > From: Boris Liberman >> >> On 4/10/2013 9:38 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote: >>> >>> We've had universal public educate for more than 200 years. It didn't >>> work. >> >> >> It worked ve

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2013-04-11 Thread Bob Sullivan
My G*d John, you're such a cave man! Have you got a 'Flintstones' lunchbox too. Regards, Bob S. On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 1:56 PM, John Sessoms wrote: > From: Boris Liberman >> >> On 4/10/2013 9:38 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote: >>> >>> We've had universal public educate for more than 200 years. It did

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2013-04-11 Thread John Sessoms
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=frgRNN7pF30 From: Eactivist Well, the gong on the gong show went bong. Actually, what I mean was boing! Okay, Larry, I'll bite, tell me, what is the first? Marnie aka Doe ;-) In a message dated 4/10/2013 3:19:21 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, l...@red4est.com writ

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2013-04-11 Thread John Sessoms
From: Boris Liberman On 4/10/2013 9:38 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote: We've had universal public educate for more than 200 years. It didn't work. It worked very well between approx 1950 and 1980 in Soviet Union. Worked well right here in the U.S.A. between the Great Depression & Reaganomics. Wor

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2013-04-11 Thread John Sessoms
Sometimes I think irony is just completely wasted on you guys. From: "Daniel J. Matyola" "Do you mean like the right to not have the government telling you when, where, why & how to pray, along with who to pray to?" I have many complaints about our government, but they have never told me when,

Posting Photos of Street Art can get you arrested

2013-04-11 Thread Bipin Gupta
We live in the Bay Area, California, in a very friendly posh neighborhood. Actually we stay with our daughter. Come Xmas, and our next door neighbor Bob brought us a little Christmas Tree. Now Bob is a very my dear chap, chatty, friendly and ever helpful, but he was perplexed as to why we would not

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2013-04-10 Thread Bill
On 10/04/2013 1:49 PM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote: I don't point fingers at other states, let alone other nations. Unfortunately, all humans are subject to corruption, and some will steal as much as they can if there is no fear of prosecution. If you believe that your country is free of corruption,

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2013-04-10 Thread Boris Liberman
Daniel, all-public schooling is not reducing to LCD. It is if you don't invest and your state (as in country, not as one of 50 United State) does not fully backs the educational system by funds, equipment, etc. This is huge investment with very slow return - you'll see returns like I said - in

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2013-04-10 Thread Boris Liberman
On 4/10/2013 1:18 AM, Bob W wrote: That's not god, that's Raoul B Whoa! You talk to the Great Capablanca... Next time you do - ask him what does he think about the quick chess invented by Mr. Kasparov... Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinf

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2013-04-10 Thread Boris Liberman
On 4/11/2013 12:43 AM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote: The next year, I was in the class where all the Catholics and all the Eastern Orthodox got out early every Tuesday for religious instruction. The one Jewish boy in the class and I did our homework on Tuesday afternoons. Well, I know that socialis

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2013-04-10 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
I don' understand your comment or how it relates to anything I said. Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 12:09 AM, Boris Liberman wrote: > Daniel, consider this - if your country invests 1 trln (yep, trillion) > dollars in educational system this

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2013-04-10 Thread Boris Liberman
On 4/10/2013 9:38 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote: We've had universal public educate for more than 200 years. It didn't work. It worked very well between approx 1950 and 1980 in Soviet Union. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIB

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2013-04-10 Thread Boris Liberman
Daniel, consider this - if your country invests 1 trln (yep, trillion) dollars in educational system this year, they will see the outcome in, may be like 20 years - 12 years of school, 3-4 years - first degree, 4-6 years - second and/or third degree... So this kind of investment is extremely ri

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2013-04-10 Thread Boris Liberman
On 4/10/2013 6:10 PM, Aahz Maruch wrote: Only if we want to continue with a failing school system. If we want a school system that works, we need to switch to an all-public model (with, of course, some caveats): http://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2011/12/what-americans-keep-ignoring-ab

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2013-04-10 Thread kwaller
- From: "Daniel J. Matyola" Subject: Re: Posting Photos of Street Art can get you arrested No one is trying to convert anyone else, Paul. Discussing our various feelings about religion in public life is benign, and, I believe helpful to understanding each others perspective. Dan Dan Ma

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2013-04-10 Thread Boris Liberman
Daniel, you and I may have a communication breakdown here. For even a split second did I _not_ talk about the education being compulsory or not. If your system does not seriously challenge the slackers then you'll be having lots of trouble when they finish school. On 4/10/2013 4:57 PM, Daniel

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2013-04-10 Thread Aahz Maruch
On Wed, Apr 10, 2013, eactiv...@aol.com wrote: > > Well, the gong on the gong show went bong. Actually, what I mean was > boing! > > Okay, Larry, I'll bite, tell me, what is the first? You mean, "Who's on first?" -- Hugs and backrubs -- I break Rule 6http://rule6.info

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2013-04-10 Thread Paul Stenquist
On Apr 10, 2013, at 9:02 PM, Larry Colen wrote: > On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 06:57:46AM -0400, Paul Stenquist wrote: >> >> On Apr 10, 2013, at 12:07 AM, Boris Liberman wrote: >> >>> On 4/9/2013 9:30 PM, Larry Colen wrote: Because, simply put, the problem isn't the schools. The problem is at

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2013-04-10 Thread Larry Colen
On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 06:57:46AM -0400, Paul Stenquist wrote: > > On Apr 10, 2013, at 12:07 AM, Boris Liberman wrote: > > > On 4/9/2013 9:30 PM, Larry Colen wrote: > >> Because, simply put, the problem isn't the schools. The problem is at > >> home. Children who come from families that put a h

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2013-04-10 Thread Larry Colen
On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 08:03:19PM -0400, eactiv...@aol.com wrote: > Well, the gong on the gong show went bong. Actually, what I mean was > boing! > > Okay, Larry, I'll bite, tell me, what is the first? I dunno. I forgot years ago. > > Marnie aka Doe ;-) > > In a message dated 4/10/2013 3

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2013-04-10 Thread Eactivist
Well, the gong on the gong show went bong. Actually, what I mean was boing! Okay, Larry, I'll bite, tell me, what is the first? Marnie aka Doe ;-) In a message dated 4/10/2013 3:19:21 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, l...@red4est.com writes: On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 06:09:43PM -0400, eactiv...@

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2013-04-10 Thread knarftheria...@gmail.com
I don't dislike theists at all. I disagree with them on an issue that is of far more importance to them than it is to me. What I do take issue with is people trying (quite wrongly) to tell me what I ~do~ believe: "Atheism is a religion just like any other." No, actually it's not. "You really

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2013-04-10 Thread Larry Colen
On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 06:09:43PM -0400, eactiv...@aol.com wrote: > Bong as in the bong show, duh. Do you mean the Gong show? They say that as you age, the memory is the second thing to go. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBS

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2013-04-10 Thread Eactivist
Bong as in the bong show, duh. I am perfectly willing to drop it like Paul did, but you brought it up again. Paul said something, I said some people believe in no gods, Paul essentially said that even atheists and secularists have their "gods" (substitute gods). I challenged that stateme

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2013-04-10 Thread Larry Colen
On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 05:46:21PM -0400, eactiv...@aol.com wrote: > Bong! Bong didn't write the post that you're replying to, Paul did. By the way, someone made a mistaken conflation between atheist (meaning no-gods) and agnostic (meaning no-knowledge). > > The below implies that atheists

Re: Posting Photos of Street Art can get you arrested

2013-04-10 Thread Eactivist
Bong! The below implies that atheists ("they") are a group that meets and gets together and makes joint decisions. I suppose there is an atheist society somewhere, but very few atheists belong to it. It also implies that secularists ("they") are such a group as well. You night relook up th

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2013-04-10 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
No one is trying to convert anyone else, Paul. Discussing our various feelings about religion in public life is benign, and, I believe helpful to understanding each others perspective. Dan Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 4:34 PM, Paul Stenqui

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2013-04-10 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
I think I can top that, Larry. I went to elementary school when they stiill said the Lord's Prayer every day. The town was mostly Catholic, an I was one of the few who said the protestant ending. Based on the teachings of my conservative Lutheran Church, I should have refused to say it at all.

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2013-04-10 Thread Paul Stenquist
On Apr 10, 2013, at 4:37 PM, Larry Colen wrote: > On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 04:34:32PM -0400, Paul Stenquist wrote: >> >> I'm going to avoid this thread going forward. I don't think any of us are >> going to achieve conversions. In the past we've avoided religious >> discussions. That was good

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2013-04-10 Thread Larry Colen
On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 04:34:32PM -0400, Paul Stenquist wrote: > > I'm going to avoid this thread going forward. I don't think any of us are > going to achieve conversions. In the past we've avoided religious > discussions. That was good policy. Agreed. Question: does discussing full-frame f

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2013-04-10 Thread John Francis
On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 12:55:13PM -0700, Larry Colen wrote: > > I grew up as one of very few jews in the schools that I went to. > > I always felt uncomfortable around Christmas because one of the class > activities > was singing Christmas carols. Christmas carols are, in effect, prayers, > at

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2013-04-10 Thread Paul Stenquist
I'm going to avoid this thread going forward. I don't think any of us are going to achieve conversions. In the past we've avoided religious discussions. That was good policy. Paul -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from

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2013-04-10 Thread Paul Stenquist
On Apr 10, 2013, at 4:03 PM, Aahz Maruch wrote: > On Wed, Apr 10, 2013, Paul Stenquist wrote: >> >> A simplistic reading of the situation. Of course atheism and >> secularism are different. I'm not confusing them, but atheists are >> generally secularists. Many atheists and the secularists, wh

Re: Posting Photos of Street Art can get you arrested

2013-04-10 Thread Paul Stenquist
On Apr 10, 2013, at 3:55 PM, Larry Colen wrote: > On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 03:43:48PM -0400, Daniel J. Matyola wrote: >> "Do you mean like the right to not have the government telling you >> when, where, why & how to pray, along with who to pray to?" >> >> I have many complaints about our govern

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2013-04-10 Thread Aahz Maruch
On Wed, Apr 10, 2013, Paul Stenquist wrote: > > A simplistic reading of the situation. Of course atheism and > secularism are different. I'm not confusing them, but atheists are > generally secularists. Many atheists and the secularists, which are > indeed different, have in their fervor developed

Re: Posting Photos of Street Art can get you arrested

2013-04-10 Thread Paul Stenquist
On Apr 10, 2013, at 2:55 PM, Bob W wrote: > On 10 Apr 2013, at 16:16, Aahz Maruch wrote: > >> On Tue, Apr 09, 2013, Paul Stenquist wrote: >>> On Apr 9, 2013, at 9:33 AM, Aahz Maruch wrote: On Tue, Apr 09, 2013, Paul Stenquist wrote: > On Apr 8, 2013, at 11:41 PM, eactiv...@aol.com wr

Re: Posting Photos of Street Art can get you arrested

2013-04-10 Thread Larry Colen
On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 03:43:48PM -0400, Daniel J. Matyola wrote: > "Do you mean like the right to not have the government telling you > when, where, why & how to pray, along with who to pray to?" > > I have many complaints about our government, but they have never told > me when, where, why and

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2013-04-10 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
I don't point fingers at other states, let alone other nations. Unfortunately, all humans are subject to corruption, and some will steal as much as they can if there is no fear of prosecution. If you believe that your country is free of corruption, or morally superior to others, you are of course

Re: Posting Photos of Street Art can get you arrested

2013-04-10 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
"Do you mean like the right to not have the government telling you when, where, why & how to pray, along with who to pray to?" I have many complaints about our government, but they have never told me when, where, why and how to pray, or to whom to pray." Dan Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogall

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2013-04-10 Thread Bob W
On 10 Apr 2013, at 16:16, Aahz Maruch wrote: > On Tue, Apr 09, 2013, Paul Stenquist wrote: >> On Apr 9, 2013, at 9:33 AM, Aahz Maruch wrote: >>> On Tue, Apr 09, 2013, Paul Stenquist wrote: On Apr 8, 2013, at 11:41 PM, eactiv...@aol.com wrote: > > There are a lot of people who belie

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2013-04-10 Thread Aahz Maruch
On Wed, Apr 10, 2013, Daniel J. Matyola wrote: > Aahz: >> >> If we want a school system that works, we need to switch to an >> all-public model. > > How will reducing everyone to the lowest common denominator make the > system "work"? Repeat: http://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2011/12/w

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2013-04-10 Thread John Sessoms
Unfortunately, the "philosophy of the current system" is to test all the kids in all the schools. Take money away from the schools where the kids test scores are below average and give it to the schools were the students already have test scores above average. Test 'em all again next year to s

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2013-04-10 Thread Paul Stenquist
On Apr 10, 2013, at 11:10 AM, Aahz Maruch wrote: > On Tue, Apr 09, 2013, Paul Stenquist wrote: >> >> This discussion seems to assume that the existence of charter shoals >> and voucher systems is up for debate. It's not. They're operating and, >> in many places, succeeding. We still have much t

Re: Posting photos of street art can get you arrested

2013-04-10 Thread Bob W
On 10 Apr 2013, at 19:09, John Francis wrote: > > I know a little about this; one of my parents (and both of those of my > wife) were life-long teachers. I went to the UK equivalent of both a US > public school (although this was before Maggie Thatcher's drive to full > comprehensive schools, so

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2013-04-10 Thread John Sessoms
Perhaps a better school system, but at the expense of an overall worsening of society. From: "Daniel J. Matyola" "what is the interest of the pupil. If he or she want to learn" So, if we eliminate compulsory education, and let the slackers drop out, we will have a better school system? Dan On

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2013-04-10 Thread John Sessoms
Do you mean like the right to not have the government telling you when, where, why & how to pray, along with who to pray to? From: "Daniel J. Matyola" Including "under god" in the pledge of allegiance is hardly "worship." It is mostly a recognition that Americans "are endowed by their Creator

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2013-04-10 Thread John Francis
On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 01:04:49PM -0400, Daniel J. Matyola wrote: > "You will have students who are motivated, which makes the job of > teaching much easier, and will tend to attract people to the > profession who are passionate about teaching." > > Unfortunately, that is the philosophy of the cu

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2013-04-10 Thread Collin Brendemuehl
>Actually, yes. You will have students who are motivated, which makes the >job of teaching much easier, and will tend to attract people to the >profession who are passionate about teaching. Yo won't run into the >situation that is happening in Georgia (IIRC) where an entire school >board is und

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2013-04-10 Thread Bill
On 10/04/2013 11:04 AM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote: "You will have students who are motivated, which makes the job of teaching much easier, and will tend to attract people to the profession who are passionate about teaching." Unfortunately, that is the philosophy of the current system: make the jo

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2013-04-10 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
"You will have students who are motivated, which makes the job of teaching much easier, and will tend to attract people to the profession who are passionate about teaching." Unfortunately, that is the philosophy of the current system: make the job of teachers easier, and eliminate any method of m

Re: Posting photos of street art can get you arrested

2013-04-10 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
" If we want a school system that works, we need to switch to an all-public model." How will reducing everyone to the lowest common denominator make the system "work"?> Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 11:10 AM, Aahz Maruch wrote: > On Tue, Ap

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2013-04-10 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
My comment has nothing to do with tax breaks or anything else, but you know that. Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 11:13 AM, Aahz Maruch wrote: > On Wed, Apr 10, 2013, Daniel J. Matyola wrote: >> >> Including "under god" in the pledge of allegi

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2013-04-10 Thread Bill
On 10/04/2013 7:57 AM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote: > "what is the interest of the pupil. If he or she want to learn" > > So, if we eliminate compulsory education, and let the slackers drop > out, we will have a better school system? Actually, yes. You will have students who are motivated, which mak

Re: Posting Photos of Street Art can get you arrested

2013-04-10 Thread Aahz Maruch
On Tue, Apr 09, 2013, Paul Stenquist wrote: > On Apr 9, 2013, at 9:33 AM, Aahz Maruch wrote: >> On Tue, Apr 09, 2013, Paul Stenquist wrote: >>> On Apr 8, 2013, at 11:41 PM, eactiv...@aol.com wrote: There are a lot of people who believe in no gods. >>> >>> But those too have created go

Re: Posting Photos of Street Art can get you arrested

2013-04-10 Thread Aahz Maruch
On Wed, Apr 10, 2013, Daniel J. Matyola wrote: > > Including "under god" in the pledge of allegiance is hardly "worship." > It is mostly a recognition that Americans "are endowed by their > Creator with certain unalienable Rights" that can not be taken away by > the government. Do you support tax

Re: Posting photos of street art can get you arrested

2013-04-10 Thread Aahz Maruch
On Tue, Apr 09, 2013, Paul Stenquist wrote: > > This discussion seems to assume that the existence of charter shoals > and voucher systems is up for debate. It's not. They're operating and, > in many places, succeeding. We still have much to learn about how > they should be regulated and on what ba

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2013-04-10 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
"what is the interest of the pupil. If he or she want to learn" So, if we eliminate compulsory education, and let the slackers drop out, we will have a better school system? Dan On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 12:07 AM, Boris Liberman wrote: > what is the interest of the pupil. If he or she want to lear

Re: Posting Photos of Street Art can get you arrested

2013-04-10 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
Including "under god" in the pledge of allegiance is hardly "worship." It is mostly a recognition that Americans "are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights" that can not be taken away by the government. Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola On Tue, Apr 9

Re: Posting photos of street art can get you arrested

2013-04-10 Thread Paul Stenquist
On Apr 10, 2013, at 12:07 AM, Boris Liberman wrote: > On 4/9/2013 9:30 PM, Larry Colen wrote: >> Because, simply put, the problem isn't the schools. The problem is at >> home. Children who come from families that put a high priority on >> education do well in school. If kids see their parents r

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2013-04-10 Thread Boris Liberman
Bob, you're wrong. The Englishman with Jewish name Izik is the one to blame... :- On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 10:03 AM, Bob W wrote: > On 10 Apr 2013, at 05:22, Boris Liberman wrote: > >> >> Given the size of the system and hence its inertia f[...] the general >> direction at which this juggern

Re: Posting photos of street art can get you arrested

2013-04-10 Thread Bob W
On 10 Apr 2013, at 05:22, Boris Liberman wrote: > > Given the size of the system and hence its inertia f[...] the general > direction at which this juggernaut is moving on its own... > I blame the physics teachers... :0) B -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailm

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2013-04-09 Thread Rob Studdert
On 10 April 2013 12:50, John Coyle wrote: > I'm surprised no-one has mentioned the classic mnemonic I was taught at > school - > B (rackets) > O (vers) > D (ivision) > M (ultiplication) > A (dditions) > S (ubtractions) > > Which often gives the correct answer, but equally can give an incorrect on

Re: Posting photos of street art can get you arrested

2013-04-09 Thread Boris Liberman
On 4/10/2013 4:56 AM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote: "Why not just fix the public system instead?" Several questions answers to which in my country are mostly shameful: 1. Is teacher as a profession is respected by your society? 2. Is teacher as an occupation is worth doing in terms of salary and m

Re: Posting photos of street art can get you arrested

2013-04-09 Thread Boris Liberman
On 4/9/2013 9:30 PM, Larry Colen wrote: Because, simply put, the problem isn't the schools. The problem is at home. Children who come from families that put a high priority on education do well in school. If kids see their parents reading in their free time, they will consider reading a viable l

Re: Posting photos of street art can get you arrested

2013-04-09 Thread Boris Liberman
On 4/9/2013 9:56 PM, John Sessoms wrote: Looking back, I can't believe that my High School Trig course never once mentioned that Sine, Cosine and Tangent are all based on the relationship of the sides of a triangle. That would have made it so easy. Trigonometry - metry of trigons (*) or "scienc

Re: Posting Photos of Street Art can get you arrested

2013-04-09 Thread Eactivist
I don't believe in the concept of worship. Methinks your perspective is skewed by your own lens. Marnie aka Doe :-) In a message dated 4/9/2013 5:49:39 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, pnstenqu...@comcast.net writes: Methinks they doth protest too much -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@

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2013-04-09 Thread John Coyle
:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of John Sessoms Sent: Wednesday, 10 April 2013 4:57 AM To: pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: Posting photos of street art can get you arrested From: Brian Walters > Quoting Rob Studdert : > >> On 9 April 2013 06:30, John Sessoms wrote: >> >>> Just out

Re: Posting photos of street art can get you arrested

2013-04-09 Thread John Sessoms
From: John Francis On Tue, Apr 09, 2013 at 12:28:10PM -0500, Bob Sullivan wrote: I went to Catholic grade school as a yute. I don't think they paid the nuns to much. And retirement benefits are kind of iffy. Just sayin'... Retirement benefits for nuns are out of this world! http://www.youtub

Re: Posting photos of street art can get you arrested

2013-04-09 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
"Why not just fix the public system instead?" Unions and politicians. Neither will allow any significant change to the existing system. Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola On Tue, Apr 9, 2013 at 1:21 PM, Bill wrote: > On 09/04/2013 7:43 AM, Paul Stenquist wrote: > >> T

Re: Posting Photos of Street Art can get you arrested

2013-04-09 Thread Paul Stenquist
On Apr 9, 2013, at 9:03 PM, Mark Roberts wrote: > eactiv...@aol.com wrote: > >> There are a lot of people who believe in no gods. > > In many countries now it's the majority of people. And "believe" is the operable word. They don't dismiss the issue. They believe fervently in no gods. It's

Re: Posting Photos of Street Art can get you arrested

2013-04-09 Thread Mark Roberts
eactiv...@aol.com wrote: >There are a lot of people who believe in no gods. In many countries now it's the majority of people. -- Mark Roberts - Photography & Multimedia www.robertstech.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to

Re: Posting Photos of Street Art can get you arrested

2013-04-09 Thread Paul Stenquist
On Apr 9, 2013, at 7:10 PM, eactiv...@aol.com wrote: > > > In a message dated 4/9/2013 12:30:53 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, > p...@web-options.com writes: > On 9 Apr 2013, at 12:23, Paul Stenquist wrote: > >> >> On Apr 8, 2013, at 11:41 PM, eactiv...@aol.com wrote: >> >>> There are a lot

Re: Posting Photos of Street Art can get you arrested

2013-04-09 Thread Eactivist
In a message dated 4/9/2013 12:30:53 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, p...@web-options.com writes: On 9 Apr 2013, at 12:23, Paul Stenquist wrote: > > On Apr 8, 2013, at 11:41 PM, eactiv...@aol.com wrote: > >> There are a lot of people who believe in no gods. >> >> M aka D :-) > > But thos

Re: Posting Photos of Street Art can get you arrested

2013-04-09 Thread Eactivist
Very well said. Marnie aka Doe :-) In a message dated 4/9/2013 6:34:16 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, a...@pobox.com writes: Category error, you are warping other people's beliefs to suit your own. "When I use a word," Humpty Dumpty said, in rather a scornful tone, "it means just what I choos

Re: Posting photos of street art can get you arrested

2013-04-09 Thread John Francis
On Tue, Apr 09, 2013 at 12:28:10PM -0500, Bob Sullivan wrote: > I went to Catholic grade school as a yute. > I don't think they paid the nuns to much. > And retirement benefits are kind of iffy. > Just sayin'... Retirement benefits for nuns are out of this world! -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail Lis

Re: Posting Photos of Street Art can get you arrested

2013-04-09 Thread Bob W
On 9 Apr 2013, at 22:37, "Steve Cottrell" wrote: > >> We all have our gods. >>> >>> Paul > > On 9/4/13, Bob W, discombobulated, unleashed: > >> >> I don't. > > Bob talks to god on the great white telephone now and again ;-) > > That's not god, that's Raoul B -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail

Re: Posting photos of street art can get you arrested

2013-04-09 Thread John Sessoms
From: Bill On 09/04/2013 11:59 AM, Paul Stenquist wrote: Public schools will survive given the vested interest that a large portion of the population has in their continued existence. Charters won't ever replace them completely. It's doubtful that we'd ever get to 50% charters. But to ensure sur

Re: Posting Photos of Street Art can get you arrested

2013-04-09 Thread Steve Cottrell
>We all have our gods. >> >> Paul On 9/4/13, Bob W, discombobulated, unleashed: > >I don't. Bob talks to god on the great white telephone now and again ;-) -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__Broadcast, Corporate, || (O) |Web Video Producion -- _

Re: Posting photos of street art can get you arrested

2013-04-09 Thread John Sessoms
From: "Alan C" Sorry - in a proper fraction, the numerator is smaller than the denominator. Basic rule - "Edit before Send" ! He he! Wondered how long it would take you to catch that & whether you'd get there first. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listi

Re: Posting photos of street art can get you arrested

2013-04-09 Thread John Sessoms
From: Rob Studdert On 9 April 2013 14:37, Tom Cakalic wrote: Hi Rob, (and John) You and I often see things in the same way. However the question/problem seems rather academic. I haven't needed to or tried to remember the order of operations much past high school. At 52 years old, I see the

Re: Posting photos of street art can get you arrested

2013-04-09 Thread Doug Franklin
On 2013-04-09 14:56, John Sessoms wrote: Looking back, I can't believe that my High School Trig course never once mentioned that Sine, Cosine and Tangent are all based on the relationship of the sides of a triangle. That would have made it so easy. Holy Crap! I can't believe that, either! I

Re: Posting Photos of Street Art can get you arrested

2013-04-09 Thread Bob W
On 9 Apr 2013, at 12:23, Paul Stenquist wrote: > > On Apr 8, 2013, at 11:41 PM, eactiv...@aol.com wrote: > >> There are a lot of people who believe in no gods. >> >> M aka D :-) > > But those too have created gods in their own image, just as people have done > since the beginning of time.

Re: Posting photos of street art can get you arrested

2013-04-09 Thread John Sessoms
From: Brian Walters Quoting Rob Studdert : On 9 April 2013 06:30, John Sessoms wrote: Just out of curiosity, what real life problem does that equation relate to? In solving electronics engineering problems this sort of combination of operators wouldn't be that uncommon. It's been long en

Re: Posting photos of street art can get you arrested

2013-04-09 Thread Paul Stenquist
On Apr 9, 2013, at 2:25 PM, Bill wrote: > On 09/04/2013 11:59 AM, Paul Stenquist wrote: >> Public schools will survive given the vested interest that a large portion >> of the population has in their continued existence. Charters won't ever >> replace them completely. It's doubtful that we'd e

Re: Posting photos of street art can get you arrested

2013-04-09 Thread Larry Colen
On Tue, Apr 09, 2013 at 01:59:15PM -0400, Paul Stenquist wrote: > > On Apr 9, 2013, at 1:21 PM, Bill wrote: > > > On 09/04/2013 7:43 AM, Paul Stenquist wrote: > > > > Why not just fix the public system instead? > > > We've been trying to fix the public school system for fifty years. School >

Re: Posting photos of street art can get you arrested

2013-04-09 Thread Bill
On 09/04/2013 11:59 AM, Paul Stenquist wrote: Public schools will survive given the vested interest that a large portion of the population has in their continued existence. Charters won't ever replace them completely. It's doubtful that we'd ever get to 50% charters. But to ensure survival, pub

Re: Posting photos of street art can get you arrested

2013-04-09 Thread Paul Stenquist
On Apr 9, 2013, at 1:21 PM, Bill wrote: > On 09/04/2013 7:43 AM, Paul Stenquist wrote: > > > That's why voucher funded charter schools are needed in those other areas. > > They can provide the competition for the public schools. >Community > > involvement is another thing, but having an alter

Re: Posting photos of street art can get you arrested

2013-04-09 Thread Bob Sullivan
I went to Catholic grade school as a yute. I don't think they paid the nuns to much. And retirement benefits are kind of iffy. Just sayin'... On Tue, Apr 9, 2013 at 12:21 PM, Bill wrote: > On 09/04/2013 7:43 AM, Paul Stenquist wrote: > >> That's why voucher funded charter schools are needed in th

Re: Posting photos of street art can get you arrested

2013-04-09 Thread Bill
On 09/04/2013 7:43 AM, Paul Stenquist wrote: > That's why voucher funded charter schools are needed in those other areas. They can provide the competition for the public schools. >Community involvement is another thing, but having an alternative to the public schools is a start. And when al

Re: Posting Photos of Street Art can get you arrested

2013-04-09 Thread Paul Stenquist
On Apr 9, 2013, at 9:33 AM, Aahz Maruch wrote: > On Tue, Apr 09, 2013, Paul Stenquist wrote: >> On Apr 8, 2013, at 11:41 PM, eactiv...@aol.com wrote: >>> >>> There are a lot of people who believe in no gods. >> >> But those too have created gods in their own image, just as people >> have done

Re: Posting photos of street art can get you arrested

2013-04-09 Thread Paul Stenquist
On Apr 9, 2013, at 9:28 AM, Aahz Maruch wrote: > On Tue, Apr 09, 2013, Paul Stenquist wrote: >> >> But I agree that many Americans are undereducated. As I said when >> this thread first shifted, American schools have failed their >> students. They became complacent, and many of them are packe

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