Thanks to all who responded, and I have read all the links that people sent - a
fascinating read!
I also polled the board of the organisation whose publication it is, and the
majority felt
that Times New Roman, fully-justified, was the best for legibility. One, who
also edits
several other
From: Stan Halpin
From: steve harley
on 2011-09-15 20:38 Stan Halpin wrote
Ann, I was a bit surprised by Mark's earlier comment that this attitude is
more opinion than scientifically derived Truth, or words to that effect. I
coulda' sworn that I had read a couple of articles on the topic in
From: Bob W
http://alexpoole.info/which-are-more-legible-serif-or-sans-serif-
typefaces
Interesting article.
The whole debate has a flaw from my point of view; the unproven
assumption that one is better than all of the others for EVERYONE.
That's not what anyone claims.
Irony?
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on 2011-09-15 20:38 Stan Halpin wrote
Ann, I was a bit surprised by Mark's earlier comment that this attitude is
more opinion than scientifically derived Truth, or words to that effect. I
coulda' sworn that I had read a couple of articles on the topic in Human
Factors or IEEE-SMC a few
Thanks Steve. I did see your link, also noted the link in my first Google
search. I hadn't clicked through to it because it was on some guy's personal
site and I was looking for published (peer-reviewed) articles. Which is one
plus for Wikipedia - they do try to keep people from posting mere
Ann Sanfedele wrote:
Perhaps in the general population - I think that particular eye problems
may affect one's ability to read different font faces more easily than
others.
Part of the reason no one's been able to come up with a definitive
answer to the question which is better, serif or
On 9/16/2011 08:56, Mark Roberts wrote:
Ann Sanfedele wrote:
Perhaps in the general population - I think that particular eye problems
may affect one's ability to read different font faces more easily than
others.
Part of the reason no one's been able to come up with a definitive
answer to
From: Ann Sanfedele
Perhaps in the general population - I think that particular eye problems
may affect one's ability to read different font faces more easily than
others. I'm astigmatic, and I haven't had an eye exam for far too
long.. found the type in the PDML book very difficult to read..
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On Sep 14, 2011, at 8:54 PM, Mark Roberts wrote:
Paul Stenquist wrote:
I hate comic sans
From: steve harley
on 2011-09-15 20:38 Stan Halpin wrote
Ann, I was a bit surprised by Mark's earlier comment that this attitude is
more opinion than scientifically derived Truth, or words to that effect. I
coulda' sworn that I had read a couple of articles on the topic in Human
Factors or
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On Sep 14, 2011, at 8:54 PM, Mark Roberts wrote:
Paul Stenquist wrote:
I hate comic sans. Chalkboard is slightly better, but it's still a
silly font.
As far as being an imitation goes, that's true of many, many fonts
can't read 10 point in print without pain anyway
:-)
ann
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On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 12:12 PM, Steven Desjardins drd1...@gmail.com wrote:
I'm an old fashioned guy. Comic sans for funny stuff, Times New Roman
for papers, Arial for posters. More than that I get a headache trying
to pick.
I just stick to Wingdings for everything.
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From: steve harley
on 2011-09-15 20:38 Stan Halpin wrote
Ann, I was a bit surprised by Mark's earlier comment that this attitude is
more opinion than scientifically derived Truth, or words to that effect. I
coulda' sworn that I had read a couple of articles on the topic in Human
Factors
http://alexpoole.info/which-are-more-legible-serif-or-sans-serif-
typefaces
Interesting article.
The whole debate has a flaw from my point of view; the unproven
assumption that one is better than all of the others for EVERYONE.
That's not what anyone claims.
B
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on 2011-09-16 10:06 Bob Sullivan wrote
Sorry, the link is here...
http://www.technologyreview.com/communications/14063/
On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 11:01 AM, Bob Sullivanrf.sulli...@gmail.com wrote:
Stan,
Here's what the editor of 'Technology Review' said about their change
in Jan. 2005.
Not the
on 2011-09-16 06:42 Stan Halpin wrote
Thanks Steve. I did see your link, also noted the link in my first Google
search. I hadn't clicked through to it because it was on some guy's personal
site and I was looking for published (peer-reviewed) articles. Which is one
plus for Wikipedia - they do
on 2011-09-16 10:02 John Sessoms wrote
The whole debate has a flaw from my point of view; the unproven assumption that
one is better than all of the others for EVERYONE.
indeed, i mentioned that in my earlier comment, along with the problem that all
aspects of communication are evolving (at
Interesting discussion: a journal I edit has just been criticised for
using a sans-serif
font (Arial 10-point) as body text. My reaction was that it's a
modern-looking, clean and
easy-to-read font .
Any comments?
John Coyle
Brisbane, Australia
there's a very good document called
on 2011-09-14 23:36 John Coyle wrote
Interesting discussion: a journal I edit has just been criticised for using a
sans-serif
font (Arial 10-point) as body text. My reaction was that it's a
modern-looking, clean and
easy-to-read font .
that's the Swiss school, which i admire, and once
on 2011-09-14 19:45 Larry Colen wrote
I hear that typography is a tough Knuth to crack.
Knuth was a bold type, that's for sure
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Any comments?
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On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 8:12 PM, Paul Stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net wrote:
I shot an album cover for my friend, Paul Miles, a well-regarded Detroit
bluesman: It's a large image. Click to make smaller.
http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=14205591size=lg
Looks very islands (as in the
Paul Stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net wrote:
Back in the days when I worked for Hearst, it was considered gospel
that serifs were easier to read. If you look through a lot of pubs
today, you'll see most use serifs for body copy. Personally, I find
a standard serif font like times or garamond
Thanks Frank. He is pleased, and I had a good time shooting it.
Paul
On Sep 15, 2011, at 7:35 AM, frank theriault wrote:
On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 8:12 PM, Paul Stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net
wrote:
I shot an album cover for my friend, Paul Miles, a well-regarded Detroit
bluesman: It's a
I also am enjoying this discussion.
Stating the obvious: Photography is a visual medium. Therefore, most
photographers are Visual People (or become so, as they progress in
their craft). If you see a photograph that you like, it is is
partially for the content but also for the way that content is
Darren Addy pixelsmi...@gmail.com wrote:
There are a ton of
free font sites out there and good free fonts can be found, but there
is a lot of crap out there, as well. In breaking down a font, the
letter forms themselves might be fine, but the leading may be
inconsistent as you type them on the
Yep. Misspoke. Meant kerning. Thanks.
Darren Addy
Kearney, Nebraska
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Darren Addypixelsmi...@gmail.com wrote:
There are a ton of
free font sites out there and good free fonts can be found, but there
is a lot of crap out there, as well. In breaking down a font, the
letter forms themselves might be fine, but the leading may
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On Sep 14, 2011, at 8:54 PM, Mark Roberts wrote:
Paul Stenquist wrote:
I hate comic sans. Chalkboard is slightly better, but it's still a silly
font.
As far as being an imitation goes, that's true of many, many fonts.
Futura is an imitation of Helvetica
On Sep 15, 2011, at 2:09 PM, steve harley wrote:
on 2011-09-15 10:41 Mark Roberts wrote
Darren Addypixelsmi...@gmail.com wrote:
There are a ton of
free font sites out there and good free fonts can be found, but there
is a lot of crap out there, as well. In breaking down a font, the
Paul Stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net wrote:
I think you meant that OCS can force fonts to lay out with fairly good letter
spacing -- or kerning. And of course you can hand kern in InDesign or Quark.
It was relatively simple with Quark. Unfortunately, I've had only minimal
experience with
On Sep 15, 2011, at 3:22 PM, Mark Roberts wrote:
Paul Stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net wrote:
I think you meant that OCS can force fonts to lay out with fairly good
letter
spacing -- or kerning. And of course you can hand kern in InDesign or Quark.
It was relatively simple with
On 9/15/2011 9:45 AM, Darren Addy wrote:
Yep. Misspoke. Meant kerning. Thanks.
Is that something they do down in Bakersfield?
(which is in Kern County, for those not familiar with California Geography)
Darren Addy
Kearney, Nebraska
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On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 3:29 PM, Larry Colen l...@red4est.com wrote:
On 9/15/2011 9:45 AM, Darren Addy wrote:
Yep. Misspoke. Meant kerning. Thanks.
Is that something they do down in Bakersfield?
(which is in Kern County, for those not familiar with California Geography)
Leading, on the
on 2011-09-15 13:08 Paul Stenquist wrote
On Sep 15, 2011, at 2:09 PM, steve harley wrote:
compensating for this by hand is hopeless with large quantities of text, but
there are tools, such as the Optical Character Spacing option in InDesign,
which can force shabby fonts to lay out with
on 2011-09-15 13:29 Paul Stenquist wrote
I miss Quark. I'm a stubborn old goat, and I don't like change.
i still support a publishing automation system using QuarkXPress 8, so i run it
often; it's not a bad program, but InDesign is a better tool overall; my
fingers can only remember the
Matthew Hunt wrote:
On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 3:29 PM, Larry Colen l...@red4est.com wrote:
On 9/15/2011 9:45 AM, Darren Addy wrote:
Yep. Misspoke. Meant kerning. Thanks.
Is that something they do down in Bakersfield?
(which is in Kern County, for those not familiar with California Geography)
Kenneth Waller
http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller
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On 9/15/2011 9:45 AM, Darren Addy wrote:
Yep. Misspoke. Meant kerning. Thanks.
Is that something they do down
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On Sep 14, 2011, at 8:54 PM, Mark Roberts wrote:
Paul Stenquist wrote:
I hate comic sans. Chalkboard is slightly better, but it's still a silly font.
As far as being an imitation goes, that's true of many, many fonts.
Futura
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I hate comic sans. Chalkboard is slightly better
in print without pain anyway :-)
ann
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On Sep 14, 2011, at 8:54 PM, Mark Roberts wrote:
Paul Stenquist wrote:
I hate comic sans. Chalkboard is slightly better, but it's still a silly font.
As far as being an imitation goes, that's true of many, many fonts.
Futura is an imitation
If nothing else, this discussion drove me to discover this wonderful site:
http://ilovetypography.com
Type terminology:
http://ilovetypography.com/2008/03/21/extreme-type-terminology/ (part
1 of 5)
History series:
Part 1 http://ilovetypography.com/2007/11/06/type-terminology-humanist-2/
Part 2
Thanks Ken.
On Sep 13, 2011, at 11:38 PM, Ken Waller wrote:
Very nice capture. Crisp colorful.
Kenneth Waller
http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller
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Subject: PESO - Healing Vibrations
I shot an
Thanks Fernando. Mr. Miles is happy. I created a back cover for him as well.
He's been entertaining me for yours, so I figure it's the least I can do.
Gracie loves him as well, and he dotes on her. Great guy.
Paul
On Sep 13, 2011, at 11:38 PM, Fernando wrote:
Very nice album cover, well
Small world. Paul Miles spends the winters in Arizona and wrote his latest
album set down there this past season. I haven't heard it all, but what I have
heard I like very much.
Paul
On Sep 14, 2011, at 1:09 AM, Joseph McAllister wrote:
Good shot of Paul, Paul. He's been on my friend list for
A really great portrait - love the bare feet!
Cheers
Brian
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Western Sydney Australia
http://lyons-ryan.org/southernlight/
On Tuesday, September 13, 2011 8:12 PM, Paul Stenquist
pnstenqu...@comcast.net wrote:
I shot an album cover for my friend,
Well done. Great pose and back drop
Dave
On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 8:12 PM, Paul Stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net wrote:
I shot an album cover for my friend, Paul Miles, a well-regarded Detroit
bluesman: It's a large image. Click to make smaller.
Nice photo! (However, whoever chose the font and lettering
placement/alignment should be taken out and shot... and I don't mean
with a camera.)
Darren Addy
Kearney, Nebraska
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Thanks Darren.
Where would you have placed the type? I purposely left room for it in the
grass, where there is minimal detail. It also balances the bright flowers in
the other corner, IMO.
Paul
On Sep 14, 2011, at 2:26 PM, Darren Addy wrote:
Nice photo! (However, whoever chose the font and
I really like this photo for the CD cover too.
On the text, I'm not a graphics design authority but one issue bothers
me: the text is collectively neither right-aligned nor left-aligned, nor
centered. Vibrations and Paul Miles are right-aligned with each
other, but Healing floats above in a
Hi Bruce,
Thanks.
I'll take a look at a different alignment, although I think that ship has
already sailed. As presented, Healing and Vibrations are centered in
respect to each other, while Paul's name is flush right with vibrations. We
were looking for something that felt casual, as
Taking another look, I see that Healing and Vibrations are not centered in
respect to each other. There's an extra space in there that threw it off.
Luckily, I have time to fix it.
Paul
On Sep 14, 2011, at 5:26 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote:
Hi Bruce,
Thanks.
I'll take a look at a different
On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 3:55 PM, Paul Stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net wrote:
Thanks Darren.
Where would you have placed the type? I purposely left room for it in the
grass, where there is minimal detail. It also balances the bright flowers in
the other corner, IMO.
Sorry, Paul. I didn't
No problem. I'm glad you're not going to shoot me:-).
I have done some design work in the past, although it's not my forte, and Paul
couldn't afford to hire any help. I did this for grins.
I like your treatment as a design exercise, but it's something Paul Miles would
never go for. He picked
on 2011-09-14 15:34 Paul Stenquist wrote
Taking another look, I see that Healing and Vibrations are not centered in
respect to each other. There's an extra space in there that threw it off.
Luckily, I have time to fix it.
i wouldn't center it; as a quick fix, it's cleaner to right justify
Bruce Walker wrote:
The other quibble that maybe bugs Darren is the face you used. It looks
a lot like a clone of Comic Sans Bold, which is one of the most reviled
typefaces in history.
I am simply aghast that someone created an *imitation* Comic Sans
font!
Thanks for the input, Steve. Good advice. I had looked at all three lines
justified, but it weighed heavy to the right. I could be wrong.
The font is Paul Miles' choice, and it's similar to what he used on all his
other albums. I would have gone with something more refined, but Paul is a
Paul,
You did a great job with the picture of Paul.
It's your best effort so far...
I hope he has lots of success with the album.
Regards, Bob S.
On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 7:32 PM, Paul Stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net wrote:
Thanks for the input, Steve. Good advice. I had looked at all three
On Sep 14, 2011, at 6:19 PM, Mark Roberts wrote:
Bruce Walker wrote:
The other quibble that maybe bugs Darren is the face you used. It looks
a lot like a clone of Comic Sans Bold, which is one of the most reviled
typefaces in history.
I am simply aghast that someone created an
On 9/14/2011 5:41 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote:
On Sep 14, 2011, at 6:19 PM, Mark Roberts wrote:
Bruce Walker wrote:
The other quibble that maybe bugs Darren is the face you used. It looks
a lot like a clone of Comic Sans Bold, which is one of the most reviled
typefaces in history.
I am simply
Paul Stenquist wrote:
I hate comic sans. Chalkboard is slightly better, but it's still a silly
font.
As far as being an imitation goes, that's true of many, many fonts. Futura is
an imitation of Helvetica,
Futura predates Helvetica by about 25 years. (Arial is the imitation
Helvetica.)
On Sep 14, 2011, at 8:51 PM, Larry Colen wrote:
On 9/14/2011 5:41 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote:
On Sep 14, 2011, at 6:19 PM, Mark Roberts wrote:
Bruce Walker wrote:
The other quibble that maybe bugs Darren is the face you used. It looks
a lot like a clone of Comic Sans Bold, which is one
On Sep 14, 2011, at 8:54 PM, Mark Roberts wrote:
Paul Stenquist wrote:
I hate comic sans. Chalkboard is slightly better, but it's still a silly
font.
As far as being an imitation goes, that's true of many, many fonts. Futura
is
an imitation of Helvetica,
Futura predates
Paul Stenquist wrote:
On Sep 14, 2011, at 8:54 PM, Mark Roberts wrote:
Paul Stenquist wrote:
I hate comic sans. Chalkboard is slightly better, but it's still a silly
font.
As far as being an imitation goes, that's true of many, many fonts. Futura
is
an imitation of Helvetica,
On 15/09/11 11:20 AM, Mark Roberts wrote:
Paul Stenquist wrote:
On Sep 14, 2011, at 8:54 PM, Mark Roberts wrote:
Paul Stenquist wrote:
I hate comic sans. Chalkboard is slightly better, but it's still a silly font.
As far as being an imitation goes, that's true of many, many fonts. Futura
on 2011-09-14 19:27 Philip Northeast wrote
So what are the good books?
i'd recommend Bringhurst's Elements of Typographic Style and Stop Stealing
Sheep by Erik Spiekermann, but these days you might learn more by reading blogs
like typophile.com and hanging around forums where web designers
On 9/14/2011 6:39 PM, steve harley wrote:
on 2011-09-14 19:27 Philip Northeast wrote
So what are the good books?
i'd recommend Bringhurst's Elements of Typographic Style and Stop
Stealing Sheep by Erik Spiekermann, but these days you might learn
more by reading blogs like typophile.com and
On Sep 14, 2011, at 9:45 PM, Larry Colen wrote:
On 9/14/2011 6:39 PM, steve harley wrote:
on 2011-09-14 19:27 Philip Northeast wrote
So what are the good books?
i'd recommend Bringhurst's Elements of Typographic Style and Stop Stealing
Sheep by Erik Spiekermann, but these days you might
on 2011-09-14 18:41 Paul Stenquist wrote
Futura is an imitation of Helvetica,
hardly! Futura is a starkly geometric sans — all circles and angles — while
Helvetica, though it uses a similar even stroke, is full of ellipses and odd
twists; compare the lower case a, c and y for quick examples
On Sep 14, 2011, at 10:14 PM, steve harley wrote:
on 2011-09-14 18:41 Paul Stenquist wrote
Futura is an imitation of Helvetica,
hardly! Futura is a starkly geometric sans — all circles and angles — while
Helvetica, though it uses a similar even stroke, is full of ellipses and odd
You know I shied away from saying anything because I share Darren's
opinion of the fonts - I used to love Comic sans - now I really don't
and am sorry about a couple of my designs that are on cafepress that
have it on them -but they are actually selling so I'm leaving them alone.
Darren, I
On 15/09/11 11:39 AM, steve harley wrote:
i'd recommend Bringhurst's Elements of Typographic Style and Stop
Stealing Sheep by Erik Spiekermann, but these days you might learn more
by reading blogs like typophile.com
Thanks
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On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 5:19 PM, Mark Roberts m...@robertstech.com wrote:
Then again, I don't know which I dislike more - Comic Sans or the
people who go on and on about how they hate it. ;-)
The most important thing is to craft a position from which you can
feel superior to them both.
:D
on 2011-09-14 20:26 Paul Stenquist wrote
But almost indistinguishable from Times to slugs like me:-)
when i was a kid i saw a VW squareback go by and thought it was the same as the
Volvo 122 wagon my family drove; then i started tuning in to the shapes of cars
and realized how wrong i was
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On Sep 14, 2011, at 8:54 PM, Mark Roberts wrote:
Paul Stenquist wrote:
I hate comic sans. Chalkboard is slightly
On Sep 14, 2011, at 10:36 PM, John Coyle wrote:
Interesting discussion: a journal I edit has just been criticised for using a
sans-serif
font (Arial 10-point) as body text. My reaction was that it's a
modern-looking, clean and
easy-to-read font .
Any comments?
What I've heard is that
A great portrait of a very interesting subject.
Dan
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On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 8:12 PM, Paul Stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net wrote:
I shot an album cover for my friend, Paul Miles, a well-regarded Detroit
bluesman: It's a large
Very nice capture. Crisp colorful.
Kenneth Waller
http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller
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Subject: PESO - Healing Vibrations
I shot an album cover for my friend, Paul Miles, a well-regarded Detroit
Very nice album cover, well balanced, he must be happy.
On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 8:12 PM, Paul Stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net wrote:
I shot an album cover for my friend, Paul Miles, a well-regarded Detroit
bluesman: It's a large image. Click to make smaller.
Good shot of Paul, Paul. He's been on my friend list for years now. Follow him
on his journey's around the country.
On Sep 13, 2011, at 17:12 , Paul Stenquist wrote:
I shot an album cover for my friend, Paul Miles, a well-regarded Detroit
bluesman: It's a large image. Click to make smaller.
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