Re: VeryOT: no anti-bike bias here at all, oh no, absolutely not

On Fri, May 21, 2010 at 04:02:08PM +0100, Bob W wrote: > Drivers in the UK are generally fairly considerate towards cyclists. Not as > good as the French, but not bad. > > And the BBC is normally fairly even-handed in its treatment of most > subjects. > > But have a look at this video for an ex

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From: Christian Skofteland It's "Bike to work Week" in the US (Bike to work day was today). The Washington Post had an article about the conflicts between cars and bikes that was slanted against bikes. The writer kept going back to the "bikers blowing through red lights and stop signs" argument

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- Original Message - From: "John Sessoms" Subject: Re: VeryOT: no anti-bike bias here at all, oh no, absolutely, not From: Christian Skofteland It's "Bike to work Week" in the US (Bike to work day was today). The Washington Post had an article about the c

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On 5/21/2010 10:47 AM, William Robb wrote: I don't know what the bike laws are in your part of the world, but here a bicycle is considered to be a motor vehicle, and as such is required to be operated in accordance with local laws. Same here. We have such a huge problem here with cyclists op

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- Original Message - From: "Larry Colen" Subject: Re: VeryOT: no anti-bike bias here at all, oh no, absolutely, not The problem is that often times the safest thing to do on a bicycle is not to come to a complete stop, but to slow down enough to check for traffic, and

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On Fri, May 21, 2010 at 1:38 PM, John Sessoms wrote: > From: Christian Skofteland >> >> It's "Bike to work Week" in the US (Bike to work day was today). The >> Washington Post had an article about the conflicts between cars and >> bikes that was slanted against bikes.  The writer kept going back t

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From: "William Robb" From: "John Sessoms" From: Christian Skofteland >> It's "Bike to work Week" in the US (Bike to work day was today). The >> Washington Post had an article about the conflicts between cars and >> bikes that was slanted against bikes. The writer kept going back to >> the "bik

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On Fri, May 21, 2010 at 1:42 PM, John Sessoms wrote: > As I said before, bad attitude, scoff-law cyclists on streets, roads and > highways are a self correcting problem. The ones who live, learn. > > The ones who won't learn ... > But they forget almost immediately. Tom C. -- PDML Pentax-Discu

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Friday, May 21, 2010, 12:54:54 PM, you wrote: TC> On Fri, May 21, 2010 at 1:42 PM, John Sessoms wrote: >> As I said before, bad attitude, scoff-law cyclists on streets, roads and >> highways are a self correcting problem. The ones who live, learn. >> >> The ones who won't learn ... >> TC> But t

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Is this the kind of humor you teach your kids at home? ;-) Tom On Fri, May 21, 2010 at 1:57 PM, Bruce Dayton wrote: > > Friday, May 21, 2010, 12:54:54 PM, you wrote: > > TC> On Fri, May 21, 2010 at 1:42 PM, John Sessoms > wrote: >>> As I said before, bad attitude, scoff-law cyclists on streets

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On 5/21/2010 12:57 PM, Bruce Dayton wrote: Friday, May 21, 2010, 12:54:54 PM, you wrote: TC> On Fri, May 21, 2010 at 1:42 PM, John Sessoms wrote: As I said before, bad attitude, scoff-law cyclists on streets, roads and highways are a self correcting problem. The ones who live, learn. The o

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I hadn't thought about teaching them humor...will have to think about that. I am an avid cyclist and ride about 15 miles each day. I drag my kids along as often as I can get them to. I do always wear a helmet and require them to as well. -- Best regards, Bruce Friday, May 21, 2010, 1:00:01 P

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Just yanking your chain. Helmets are certainly smart. How'd we survive? On Fri, May 21, 2010 at 2:31 PM, Bruce Dayton wrote: > I hadn't thought about teaching them humor...will have to think about > that. > > I am an avid cyclist and ride about 15 miles each day.  I drag my > kids along as ofte

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I don't think it's as clear-cut as some folks would have you beleive. Helmets do seem to prevent (or at least reduce) one class of injury. But as far as I can see there are some pretty credible studies that suggest there is no causative link, or even correlation, between wearing helmets and reduc

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On 22/05/2010, Christian Skofteland wrote: > It's "Bike to work Week" in the US (Bike to work day was today). The > Washington Post had an article about the conflicts between cars and bikes > that was slanted against bikes. The writer kept going back to the "bikers > blowing through red light

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On 22/05/2010, John Francis wrote: > It's tempting to point to statistics that show a (slightly) lower > rate of injury amongst helmet wearers. But this is a self-selecting > population; it's quite plausible that the sort of person who elects > to wear a helmet is less likely to engage in risky

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On Sat, May 22, 2010 at 11:30:57AM +1000, Rob Studdert wrote: > On 22/05/2010, John Francis wrote: > > > It's tempting to point to statistics that show a (slightly) lower > > rate of injury amongst helmet wearers. But this is a self-selecting > > population; it's quite plausible that the sort of

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On 22 May 2010 12:00, John Francis wrote: > > Such studies have been done, of course. But all they can measure is the > accident rate in the jurisdiction; they can't compare the accident rate > with helmets to the rate for the same area without helmet use. > But they can. Studies from a period

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On Fri, May 21, 2010 at 3:42 PM, John Sessoms wrote: > Most cyclists are not idiots. It's just the idiots who get all the > attention. Same with drivers and pedestrians. Most are kind and courteous. It's the minority of fools that we all see and hear about. cheers, frank -- "Sharpness is a

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On Fri, May 21, 2010 at 5:53 PM, John Francis wrote: > > It's tempting to point to statistics that show a (slightly) lower > rate of injury amongst helmet wearers.  But this is a self-selecting > population; it's quite plausible that the sort of person who elects > to wear a helmet is less likely

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On May 22, 2010, at 5:47 AM, William Robb wrote: > Consequently, we also have a lot of car/ bicycle accidents where the car > driver simply refuses to give up his right of way to an errant cyclist and > takes him out instead. That is absolutely disgusting. There's no justification for that kin

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[...] > > I put on a helmet when it rains. It keeps the hood of my > rain jacket on my head. > That increases the chance of you having an accident. When you're wearing a hood and turn round to see if there are any juggernauts bearing down on you, the hood obscures most of your vision. To get i

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> On Fri, May 21, 2010 at 3:42 PM, John Sessoms > wrote: > > > Most cyclists are not idiots. It's just the idiots who get all the > > attention. > > Same with drivers and pedestrians. Most are kind and > courteous. It's the minority of fools that we all see and hear about. > They should s

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> > Such studies have been done, of course. But all they can > measure is > > the accident rate in the jurisdiction; they can't compare > the accident > > rate with helmets to the rate for the same area without helmet use. > > > > But they can. > > Studies from a period before mandatory helm

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> > It's tempting to point to statistics that show a (slightly) > lower rate > > of injury amongst helmet wearers. But this is a self-selecting > > population; it's quite plausible that the sort of person > who elects to > > wear a helmet is less likely to engage in risky activities, > and t

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2010/5/22 Bob W : > [...] >> >> I put on a helmet when it rains.  It keeps the hood of my >> rain jacket on my head. I have a reflective GoreTex helmet cover, keeps rain and wind out and surface friction is enough to hold a Petzl TacTikka XP LED headlamp which can be used as both a headlight or a

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On Fri, May 21, 2010 at 01:38:51PM -0400, John Sessoms wrote: > From: Christian Skofteland > >It's "Bike to work Week" in the US (Bike to work day was today). The > >Washington Post had an article about the conflicts between cars and > >bikes that was slanted against bikes. The writer kept going b

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Bob W wrote: Drivers in the UK are generally fairly considerate towards cyclists. Not as good as the French, but not bad. And the BBC is normally fairly even-handed in its treatment of most subjects. But have a look at this video for an extreme anti-bike bias. It beggars belief:

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- Original Message - From: "David Mann" Subject: Re: VeryOT: no anti-bike bias here at all, oh no, absolutely, not On May 22, 2010, at 5:47 AM, William Robb wrote: Consequently, we also have a lot of car/ bicycle accidents where the car driver simply refuses to give up

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> > I've been on the receiving end several times in one ride, in > fact. I live in a fairly rural area and a lot of the people, > especially 20-something males, find it sporting to brush as > close to a cyclist as possible, yell obsenities, throw > objects (cans, bottles, etc) from their vehi

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> > > > Can't argue about the gobbiness. But the incident is > interesting. He seems to come out of his lane much further > into the road, far earlier than I would expect. I think he has come out at the right time, and in

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Bob W wrote: the driver deliberately knocked him off Far too big a step, not just in this scenario but many others. No doubt it does happen but you couldn't get away with it more than two or three times. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_p

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On 2010-05-21 09:45 , Christian Skofteland wrote: It's "Bike to work Week" in the US (Bike to work day was today). i didn't know there was a national day; Denver's bike to work day is 23 June this year -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.

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On May 23, 2010, at 3:30 AM, William Robb wrote: > There is no justification for refusing to share the road, but that is a two > way street, so to speak. A cyclist who is operating his vehicle in such a way > as to be a danger to others deserves some consequences. A danger to others? Who exact

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On 5/23/10, David Mann wrote: > > You'd kill someone to avoid a bit of hassle? What the fuck kind of > misguided ethics do you live by? Would you then return your vehicle to the > dealer for a refund? > David, Cut Bill a little slack would you. From what I read, he would at least tell the dea

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- Original Message - From: "David Mann" Subject: Re: VeryOT: no anti-bike bias here at all, oh no, absolutely, not On May 23, 2010, at 3:30 AM, William Robb wrote: There is no justification for refusing to share the road, but that is a two way street, so to speak. A cycl

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- Original Message - From: "Tom C" Subject: Re: VeryOT: no anti-bike bias here at all, oh no, absolutely, not Cut Bill a little slack would you. From what I read, he would at least tell the dealer how the vehicle was damaged. ;-) :-))) And I'd be treating it

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On 5/23/2010 12:01 PM, William Robb wrote: - Original Message - From: "Tom C" Subject: Re: VeryOT: no anti-bike bias here at all, oh no, absolutely, not Cut Bill a little slack would you. From what I read, he would at least tell the dealer how the vehicle w