expertise and class composition

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At 01:30 PM 08/03/2002 -0700, you wrote: >I thought it happens when your wife is a socialist and you actually pay some >attention to what she says. Hmmm. Reminds me of when I used to be married to a Trotskyist. Since he was so busy doing political work and thinking political thoughts, he never h

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I thought it happens when your wife is a socialist and you actually pay some attention to what she says. Cheers, Ken Hanly - Original Message - From: "Ben Day" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, July 30, 2002 2:30 PM Subject: [PEN-L:28907]

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joanna bujes wrote: > Jim wrote: > > >> One thing we should do is to make sure that the experts don't restrict >> the supply of education in order to shore up their status as experts. > > > > You mean like the American Medical Association? > > Joanna > Since we were talking about doct

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Jim wrote: One thing we should do is to make sure that the experts don't restrict the supply of education in order to shore up their status as experts. You mean like the American Medical Association? Joanna

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Title: final word on "expertise"? [was: RE: [PEN-L:29053] Re: Horning in on Bethune: &"espertise"- Levels of:in PEN-L digest 227] Gar writes: This herring is so red it is back lit by glowing neon! There is no "anti-expertise" position. The question is &qu

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At 11:14 AM 07/31/2002 -0700, Ian wrote: >[problem solved; all is better now!] > >There is nothing uniquely American about corporations that cook >their books, or accountants and bankers who countenance it, or >executives who use corporate treasuries as personal piggy banks. > >But it is probably

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[problem solved; all is better now!] 'Political Market' Reigns When Business Scandals Hit, Reaction Was Swift By Steven Pearlstein Washington Post Staff Writer Wednesday, July 31, 2002; Page E01 There is nothing uniquely American about corporations that cook their books, or accountants and bank

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ain control over the prescriptive forms of speech and writing that allow them to secure relations of dominance and rent seeking vis a vis other citizens in the demos. And when those prescriptive assertions lead to the very debacles we see all around us, one has to wonder just where the demarcation bet

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neurologist/neurosurgeon/CT scanner/? & how many will prefer the ministrations of the janitor? What is the point of all that long tale? I agree it was long, but: i) No one denies that there are differing levels (or even types) of expertise - but, surely for specific matters you want the most releva

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>I thought you were a bourgeois liberal. I'm confused. How do you >reconcile a collectivist philosophy with a radically individualist >one? >Doug dialectic? ___ Email Disclaimer This communication may contain confidential or privileged informa

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In a message dated 7/30/02 1:47:06 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Justin Schwartz wrote: >I am in fact a socialist. I thought you were a bourgeois liberal. I'm confused. How do you reconcile a collectivist philosophy with a radically individualist one? Doug I am a

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Title: RE: [PEN-L:28913] Expertise and Vanguard Parties moi:>there are two main types of liberalism: > >(1) Manchester, classical, or "neo" liberalism, which embraces >_laissez-faire_; and > >(2) New Deal, Keynesian, or modern liberalism, which embraces t

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Juries are very much the hoi polloi you are so >contemptuous of and yet, according to many, they do a very creditable job. > I have been very impressed with the juries who have served before my judge. jks _ Send and receive Hotmail

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> >Justin Schwartz wrote: > >>What part do you reject, Doug? Representative govt? Univeral >>suffrage? Extensive civil and political liberties? In fact you >>reject none of it. You are a bourg lib too, as are probably 95% of >>the people on this list. > >I reject none of it except your label. See

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>Me: >>Is the fact that "juries find facts while judges determine the law" >set in >a stone that someone brought down from Mount Sinai?<< > >Justin: > No, but it's a rule of American law.< > >and we should take US law as the only way things can be done? >JD > It's the way we do things here. Actu

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> >there are two main types of liberalism: > >(1) Manchester, classical, or "neo" liberalism, which embraces >_laissez-faire_; and > >(2) New Deal, Keynesian, or modern liberalism, which embraces the state as >the solution to capitalism's various problems. (Most social democracy fits >here, BTW.)

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At 08:55 PM 07/30/2002 +, you wrote: >What part do you reject, Doug? Representative govt? Univeral suffrage? >Extensive civil and political liberties? In fact you reject none of it. >You are a bourg lib too, as are probably 95% of the people on this list. Explain the bourgeois part. Thanks

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d people be brought to work together ?", "what is really the most advanced theory and practice in our society from the point of view of human progress ?". Those were the kinds of questions Marx asked in his own time. As regards democratisation of expertise, this is always po

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What happens outside the courthouse can make a lot of difference. Back in the '70s a Normal cop framed for armed robbery a black student who had offended him by beating a stupid traffic ticket. He got sentenced to a fairly long prison term. At that point his mother told the story to a woman who wa

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Devine, James wrote: >Me: >>Is the fact that "juries find facts while judges determine the >law" set in >a stone that someone brought down from Mount Sinai?<< > >Justin: > No, but it's a rule of American law.< > >and we should take US law as the only way things can be done? I know bourgeois lib

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The father of "bourgeois" liberalism (I put "bourgeois" in quotes here, since if we mean industrial bourgeoisie, this would be inaccurate) - John Stuart Mill - was also a socialist. And in fact, a market socialist, like Justin Schwartz. When you extend liberalism to the workplace, things like

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Name calling and the like from both of you serves no purpose. On Tue, Jul 30, 2002 at 08:38:05PM +, Justin Schwartz wrote: > > > >Well, I'm glad we can agree on one thing--you are indeed a bourgeois > >liberal. > >Why you hang out on pen-l is still a mystery to me, however. I think very > >

Legal Expertise

Title: Legal Expertise Me: >>Is the fact that "juries find facts while judges determine the law" set in a stone that someone brought down from Mount Sinai?<< Justin: > No, but it's a rule of American law.< and we should take US law as the only way things can be done? JD  

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In a message dated 7/30/02 1:38:53 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > > >Well, I'm glad we can agree on one thing--you are indeed a bourgeois > >liberal. > >Why you hang out on pen-l is still a mystery to me, however. I think very > >few > >people here regard themselv

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Title: RE: [PEN-L:28899] Re: Re: Re: Expertise and Vanguard Parties Doug writes: >And what about that word "liberal"? It carries with it the now largely forgotten modifier "Manchester," no? An atomized competitive system with no real room for notions of social solid

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At 08:42 PM 07/30/2002 +, you wrote: >>What do you think of juries? Is this an example of the hoi polloi >>interfering in your area of expertise? >> >>Joanna > > >No. Juries find facts, they don't decide questions of law. Neither I nor >any other

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-0700 > >Is the fact that "juries find facts while judges determine the law" set in >a >stone that someone brought down from Mount Sinai? No, but it's a rule of American law. whatever happened to >juries that reject unjust laws? It happens, We don't know about it unless the jurors say somethin

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Justin Schwartz wrote: >What part do you reject, Doug? Representative govt? Univeral >suffrage? Extensive civil and political liberties? In fact you >reject none of it. You are a bourg lib too, as are probably 95% of >the people on this list. I reject none of it except your label. It's too go

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>Justin Schwartz wrote: > >>I am in fact a socialist. > >I thought you were a bourgeois liberal. I'm confused. How do you reconcile >a collectivist philosophy with a radically individualist one? > >Doug As I have explained, liberal democracy (the politics we bourg libs support) involves repre

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Justin Schwartz wrote: >I am in fact a socialist. I thought you were a bourgeois liberal. I'm confused. How do you reconcile a collectivist philosophy with a radically individualist one? Doug

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Title: RE: [PEN-L:28894] Re: RE: Expertise Is the fact that "juries find facts while judges determine the law" set in a stone that someone brought down from Mount Sinai? whatever happened to juries that reject unjust laws? is it always possible to make a hard-and-fast distinction b

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>What do you think of juries? Is this an example of the hoi polloi >interfering in your area of expertise? > >Joanna No. Juries find facts, they don't decide questions of law. Neither I nor any other lawyer has any expertise in hwta happened in a par

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> >Well, I'm glad we can agree on one thing--you are indeed a bourgeois >liberal. >Why you hang out on pen-l is still a mystery to me, however. I think very >few >people here regard themselves as "bourgeois liberals". What is your >program--to "wise up" the left?? Oddly enough, I am on the left

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[I wrote:] > >It is a popular bourgeois myth that there is no place for expertise in > >politics. Actually, there is room for knowledge, wisdom, a scientific > >approach, and expertise everywhere, and certainly in politics. [In a message dated 7/29/02 9:17:28 PM Pac

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cancer research. Or the >NEA rather than the NSF. One wouldn't want the hoi poloi actually picking >projects and assisning grants on the microlevel though. What do you think of juries? Is this an example of the hoi polloi interfering in your area of expertise? Joanna

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Devine, James wrote: >I understand that Windows software doesn't run as well on Macs, too. .

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Suckers Cheers, Ken Hanly - Original Message - From: ravi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, July 29, 2002 2:13 PM Subject: [PEN-L:28809] Re: Re: RE: Expertise > > "science does not think" -- martin heidegger > > (thought

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Title: RE: [PEN-L:28864] Re: RE: Expertise Justin said: >>>There are political technicians--Lydons Johnsons, Dick Morrises, Karl Roves, who are political machers, who can make the system work to attain particular ends. Thoise people need to be used and kept on a short leash.<<&

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or is >this all just an issue of the advantages and disadvantages of the >division of labour... etc. That's exactly what it is. Truth has nothing to do with it. jks _ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.m

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Title: RE: [PEN-L:28867] Re: Re: Expertise Michael Pollak writes: > >Put a diagnostic disk in your disk drive.  Hopefully one > came with your > >computer.  That should have a DOS system file on it that > will let you boot > >and look around and hopefully see

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Justin Schwartz wrote: > >>> if so, is that form of truth meaningful in a general context? >>> >>> What does that mean? There is one one form of truth, which is, as >>> >> Aristotle >>> said long ago, to say of that which is, that it is,a nd that >>> which >> is not, >>> that it is

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Michael Pollak wrote: >On Mon, 29 Jul 2002, Devine, James wrote: > >> Speaking of expertise, my computer won't start. It tells me "Non System >> Disk or Disk Error. Replace and strike any Key when ready." Not only >> can't I find the "any&

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at attitude to experts in general? Because politics is different. Politics is a peculiarly expertise free area. The point of democratic politics is to give free play to interest that are presumedto be equal, however stupid they7 may be. Getting it right is secondary. I don't think many peop

RE: Expertise

rs don't make these rules, legislators do. It's not our biz. Don't blame us for the stupid laws p[assed your democratically elected representatives. Again the issue >of just who is an expert in the realm of constructing and enforcing >the forbidden in the absence of a platonic realm of

Expertise & Vanguards

Title: [PEN-L:28855] Expertise & Vanguards   -Original Message- From: Devine, James To: 'Rob Schaap ' Sent: 7/30/2002 7:06 AM Subject: RE: [PEN-L:28855] Expertise Rob is right. The Stalinist (sometimes called "Leninist") conception of the Vanguard Party is

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Title: RE: [PEN-L:28840] RE: Expertise >--Hurricane (Bob Dylan) > My bad. It's the embarassing song "Joey," a tribute to Crazy Joe Gallo. Same disc, though (Desire). -- my impression is that "Joey" is a joke, a self-satire. JD

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G'day Justin, > The left should have learned by now to flee--as ordinary working people > will--from the idea of the Vanguard Party as the expert repository of > Political Expertise. It's not a menace any more, as it once was, but it's > political suicide to advocate i

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On Mon, 29 Jul 2002, Devine, James wrote: > Speaking of expertise, my computer won't start. It tells me "Non System > Disk or Disk Error. Replace and strike any Key when ready." Not only > can't I find the "any" key (usually the "enter" key will

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Ian Murray wrote: > > What is a non-circular justification for laws > forbidding people to consume the chemicals of their choice or > purchase sexual pleasure "in the market" etc. etc. Reporter: What is? KM: (Long Pause) Struggle. Carrol

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Gar Lipow wrote: >> There are political technicians--Lydons Johnsons, Dick Morrises, Karl >> Roves, who are political machers, who can make the system work to >> attain particular ends. Thoise people need to be used and kept on a >> short leash. > > Why not take that attitude to experts in gen

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Justin said > There are political technicians--Lydons Johnsons, Dick Morrises, Karl > Roves, who are political machers, who can make the system work to attain > particular ends. Thoise people need to be used and kept on a short > leash. Why not take that attitude to experts in general?

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- Original Message - From: "Justin Schwartz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, July 29, 2002 8:57 PM Subject: [PEN-L:28839] : RE: Expertise >From: "Ian Murray" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >

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> >In a message dated 7/29/02 1:49:29 PM Pacific Daylight Time, >[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > > > > Of course, in politics, the main body of "experts" > > >is the revolutionary party guiding society. > > > > > > > >

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> >"Could you please describe in plain English the curtailment of my > >liberties?" > > > >Ian > > >The judge asked him what time it was >Reuben said, Five to ten, >The Judge said, That's exactly what you get > >--Hurricane (Bob Dylan) > My bad. It's the embarassing song "Joey," a tribute to Cra

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>From: "Ian Murray" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: [PEN-L:28838] Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: RE: Expertise >Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 20:38:13 -0700 > > >- Original Message - >From: "

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which is, that it is,a nd that which is not, > that it is not. == Oh please.... > Much expertise is knowledge how not knowledge that. Legal truth, for > example, is not really very interesting. It can be important to know what > the la

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x27;t be wrong. But if all the serious historians agree (ha!) on some proposition, you need a lot of oomph to overcome that. if so, is >that form of truth meaningful in a general context? What does that mean? There is one one form of truth, which is, as Aristotle said long ago, to say of th

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In a message dated 7/29/02 1:49:29 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > Of course, in politics, the main body of "experts" > >is the revolutionary party guiding society. > > > > > Gaak. That is exactly where there and can be no ex

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Title: RE: [PEN-L:28811] Re: RE: Re: RE: Expertise > "Could you please describe in plain English the curtailment > of my liberties?" > > Ian you have the right to remain silent... Jim Devine [EMAIL PROTECTED] &  http://bellarmine.lmu.edu/~jdevine  

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if i may say something as the resident slow thinker: things are whizzing by at a good speed on this thread but it seems to me that certain things are not clear (at least to me!). the examples and analysis (offered by michael p. and others) seems to touch upon the dangers of letting experts decid

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- Original Message - From: "Justin Schwartz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, July 29, 2002 2:52 PM Subject: [PEN-L:28819] Re: Re: RE: Re: RE: Expertise > >"Could you please describe in plain English the curtailment of my >

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Thus I don't think you will be able >to write all laws and contracts in simple English; the effort of protecting >against other lawyers will prevent it if nothing else. Though I'm sure that >it can be done a lot of the time. A lot of law is technical and there are centuries of technical vocabul

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> >"Could you please describe in plain English the curtailment of my >liberties?" > >Ian The judge asked him what time it was Reuben said, Five to ten, The Judge said, That's exactly what you get --Hurricane (Bob Dylan) Or as we say in Shytown, you all fucked, cuz. jks _

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- Original Message - From: "Michael Perelman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, July 29, 2002 2:04 PM Subject: [PEN-L:28806] Re: Re: RE: Expertise > I would add one other dimension to the list of problems that Scott > mention: a

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At 05:13 PM 07/29/2002 -0400, you wrote: >"science does not think" -- martin heidegger > >(thought i would throw that one out and see what kind of fish >it attracts ;-)). > > --ravi Hard to say without context; but normative science is more like a vetted bureaucratic procedure ...hence

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Justin Schwartz wrote: >> > > Legalese is awful. It's not even English. But there were striitings in > America to make it more like English quite a while ago. The Legal > realists, like Jerome Frank and Thurman Arnold, were quite good writers, > following in the manner of their master Justi

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"science does not think" -- martin heidegger (thought i would throw that one out and see what kind of fish it attracts ;-)). --ravi

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RE: [PEN-L:28795] Re: RE: Expertise - Original Message - From: Devine, James To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED] ' Sent: Monday, July 29, 2002 1:56 PM Subject: [PEN-L:28804] RE: Re: RE: Expertise Justin writes: >Legalese is awful. It's not even English. But there were striitings i

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> >I would add one other dimension to the list of problems that Scott >mention: arrogance that often leads to disaster for all concerned, which >is why I mentioned Dr. Lay. > -- > The Greeks had a word for that . . . . jks _ Send a

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I would add one other dimension to the list of problems that Scott mention: arrogance that often leads to disaster for all concerned, which is why I mentioned Dr. Lay. -- Michael Perelman Economics Department California State University Chico, CA 95929 Tel. 530-898-5321 E-Mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]

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Title: RE: [PEN-L:28795] Re: RE: Expertise Justin writes: >Legalese is awful. It's not even English. But there were striitings in America to make it more like English quite a while ago. The Legal realists, like Jerome Frank and Thurman Arnold, were quite good writers, following in  th

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Theses on Feuerbach III The materialist doctrine concerning the changing of circumstances and upbringing forgets that circumstances are changed by men and that the educator must himself be educated. This doctrine must, therefore, divide society into two parts, one of which is superior to society

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Of course, in politics, the main body of "experts" >is the revolutionary party guiding society. > Gaak. That is exactly where there and can be no expertise, just politics. When will they ever learn, when will

: Expertise

But that's not expertise, right, if it's nothing more than that. Expertise means knowing how to do things, special skills or knowledge. Maybe your example shows the misuse of real expertise (math skills) to obfuscate, maintain hierarchy, etc., rather than to promote economic ana

Re: Expertise ?

> >If, as Justin argues, "Most judges, at least federal ones that I know of, >enforce the law fairly" (i.e. evenhandedly), how come e.g. a >disproportionate number of US blacks end up in jail ? Of course, you can >make sociological arguments that more blacks commit crimes or more blacks >are

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me up with the notion. None of the many specialists I saw was willing to take the idea seriously (until I got to a Lyme Disease specialist--whose lab tests finally verified that it was true.) Expertise helps you see things; but it can also prevent you from seeing things. A person's theories guide what

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>Expertise also occurs in some specific context. Today's industrial medicine >means that your doctor has at most 15 minutes to spend figuring out what >your problem is. Because of the current mind/body split ideology, chances >are that your doctor will never touch you (if h

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> >I think most professions suffer from the "mandarin disease" (named after >the >fact that the Imperial Chinese Mandarins required that new bureaucrats be >excellent at calligraphy, even though it didn't help them rule). More useful than many skills, btw, it was part of just being an educated

Re: Re: Oxymoron (was Expertise)

I work (or used to) as an expert witness. I have had a lot of success in persuading Federal and State judges and various kinds of commissioners to accept my recommendations. And I've had a lot of failures. In front of commissions the acceptance rate jumps if there are a lot of angry people in t

Expertise ?

If, as Justin argues, "Most judges, at least federal ones that I know of, enforce the law fairly" (i.e. evenhandedly), how come e.g. a disproportionate number of US blacks end up in jail ? Of course, you can make sociological arguments that more blacks commit crimes or more blacks are poor, et

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ith credentials are not necessarily hucksters; but, if you're going to be a huckster, credentials certainly help. Because real expertise is not the same as mastering a narrow vocabulary, but is built out of committed, conscious practice, you cannot build expertise without making mistakes. Surg

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that expertise is sometimes nothing more than the artificial creation of hierarchy. On Mon, Jul 29, 2002 at 05:41:18PM +, Justin Schwartz wrote: > > : Expertise > >Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 10:29:06 -0700 > > > >Writing about expertise, I think that we should re

RE: Expertise

Title: RE: Expertise Michael Perelman:> Writing about expertise, I think that we should recall how  Alfred Marshall revamped econ. education -- making it more mathematical, even though he himself rejected the idea that math was useful for economics -- just to make it more difficult

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: Expertise >Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 10:29:06 -0700 > >Writing about expertise, I think that we should recall how Alfred Marshall >revamped econ. education -- making it more mathematical, even though he >himself rejected the idea that math was useful for economics -- just t

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Writing about expertise, I think that we should recall how Alfred Marshall revamped econ. education -- making it more mathematical, even though he himself rejected the idea that math was useful for economics -- just to make it more difficult for outsiders to comment on economic matters

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amp; http://bellarmine.lmu.edu/~jdevine > > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Justin Schwartz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > Sent: Sunday, July 28, 2002 10:11 PM > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Subject: [PEN-L:28739] Re: Re: Expertise > >

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> >> ...incompetent ones[experts] Don't be silly. Experts are not by definition competent. They are persons with special training and knowledge. In law we distinguish between an expert's qualifications, and whether his opinion is based in fact and informed by scientific method, as well as

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Title: RE: [PEN-L:28739] Re: Re: Expertise JKS: >Shane thinks that most judges are just tools of the capitalist class who do their bidding. ... Even in the case of Justice Rehnquist, the charge is unfair. He just thinks along their lines.< it's a mistake to think in such indi

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> ...incompetent ones[experts]

Re: Re: Expertise

Justin Schwartz wrote: >> >> Speaking of expertise, my computer won't start. It tells me "Non >> System Disk >> or Disk Error. Replace and strike any Key when ready." Not only can't >> I find >> the "any" key (usually the "

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ople > >was that > >they trusted his expertise. > > > > > OK, there are crooked experts, as well as as incompetent ones. You are > telling me this because you think I don't know it? Or you are

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> >It's important to remember that "expertise" is not a one-dimensional >variable. The practical and concrete knowledge of nurses and physician's >assistants may be quite different in kind from the more theoretical and >journal-based knowledge of MDs, so we ca

: Expertise

> >[Ken Lay's] problem wasn't bad advice. The problem of many other people >was that >they trusted his expertise. > OK, there are crooked experts, as well as as incompetent ones. You are telling me this because you think I don't know it? Or you are remindin

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Title: RE: [PEN-L:28737] Re: Re: Re: Expertise It's important to remember that "expertise" is not a one-dimensional variable. The practical and concrete knowledge of nurses and physician's assistants may be quite different in kind from the more theoretical and journal-ba

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His problem wasn't bad advice. The problem of many other people was that they trusted his expertise. On Mon, Jul 29, 2002 at 02:26:06PM +, Justin Schwartz wrote: > > > > > >Of course, there is expertise, but experts can be very wrong -- especially > >if they

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> >Of course, there is expertise, but experts can be very wrong -- especially >if they go unchallenged. Ask Ken Lay. > His problem wasn't bad expert advice. It was sheer crookedness. Of course there is bad expert advice. You wanna see my stock portfolio? It's a t

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> >You don't have much choice, do you? Any more than I have a choice in > >trusting my physician or carpenter because s/he's an expert. I mean, >sorry, > > >guy, that's what expertise means, other people know more than we do about > >something. &g

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>From: "Justin Schwartz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >As to Carl's remark, why is it unjust to have expert judges (in the legal >system) who are empowered to definitively resolve disputes by entering >enforceable orders? Surely you are not one of those people who believe that >we can get along withou

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>You don't have much choice, do you? Any more than I have a choice in >trusting my physician or carpenter because s/he's an expert. I mean, sorry, >guy, that's what expertise means, other people know more than we do about >something. A quick tip to Pen-L mem

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