Re: [Pharo-dev] First additions to GT-Inspector

Raw is good, but what about 'Structure' ? AFAIU, it is the State/Structure that is used for the tree view, right ? On 03 Oct 2014, at 22:50, Tudor Girba wrote: > Yes, I like "Raw". Thanks for the ping:). > > Anyone against "Raw"? > > Cheers, > Doru > > > On Fri, Oct 3, 2014 at 10:36 PM, step

Re: [Pharo-dev] About ways to participate in community and general negativity

exactly and most of us are aware of these tools and the fact that are very useful because a) we are registered in the moose mailing list b) because you have posted a few demonstrations videos about their use here, in the moose mailing list and in tweeter. I am very excited that you push pharo de

Re: [Pharo-dev] About ways to participate in community and general negativity

Le 04/10/2014 08:14, Tudor Girba a écrit : Hi Thierry, On Sat, Oct 4, 2014 at 12:03 AM, Thierry Goubier mailto:thierry.goub...@gmail.com>> wrote: [...] And now, to make integration easier, we pile more stuff on top of the existing, bound to be removed, infrastructure: Glamour, Rubri

Re: [Pharo-dev] About ways to participate in community and general negativity

Hi Thierry, On Sat, Oct 4, 2014 at 12:03 AM, Thierry Goubier wrote: > [...] > And now, to make integration easier, we pile more stuff on top of the > existing, bound to be removed, infrastructure: Glamour, Rubric, etc... And > both Glamour and Spec don't make it easy to solve Morphic bugs. > > I

Re: [Pharo-dev] About ways to participate in community and general negativity

Tudor Girba wrote: Hi Ben, On Sat, Oct 4, 2014 at 7:27 AM, Ben Coman > wrote: Tudor Girba wrote: Hi, Indeed, you are right about noting that the situation will look different in a couple of months from now. Please, let's discuss

Re: [Pharo-dev] playground size

p...@highoctane.be wrote: Well, my Spotlight looks like this: Inline image 1 You'll notice the $ to execute commands. Works well. Code is here: http://www.smalltalkhub.com/#!/~philippeback/HOExtras/packages/Tools Tools is an hefty package. Always interesting to dig in there. Looks like

Re: [Pharo-dev] Playground

Marcus Denker wrote: On 03 Oct 2014, at 12:46, Marcus Denker > wrote: On 03 Oct 2014, at 12:21, p...@highoctane.be wrote: Frankly, I see fogbugz issues closed with some ignore/cannot reproduce status, so, I am not creating any of

[Pharo-dev] gt issues

Hi, >From the feedback so far, I could not the following issues: - menus for copy/paste/cut (which I still wonder why they need to exist for a developer, but we will add them) - possibility of save/open - Cmd+g instead of Cmd+o (already fixed) - position of the cursor is sometimes messed up - pos

Re: [Pharo-dev] About ways to participate in community and general negativity

Hi Ben, On Sat, Oct 4, 2014 at 7:27 AM, Ben Coman wrote: > Tudor Girba wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> Indeed, you are right about noting that the situation will look different >> in a couple of months from now. Please, let's discuss these problems again >> in 2 months. >> > > > My point was not to dela

Re: [Pharo-dev] About ways to participate in community and general negativity

Tudor Girba wrote: Hi, Indeed, you are right about noting that the situation will look different in a couple of months from now. Please, let's discuss these problems again in 2 months. My point was not to delay discussion, but just not let it get you down and be tolerant... * For those se

Re: [Pharo-dev] About ways to participate in community and general negativity

Hi, Indeed, you are right about noting that the situation will look different in a couple of months from now. Please, let's discuss these problems again in 2 months. The classic tools are still around. Furthermore, in the Settings, you have a Glamorous Toolkit category which allows you to switch

Re: [Pharo-dev] About ways to participate in community and general negativity

Thierry Goubier wrote: Le 03/10/2014 21:48, stepharo a écrit : On 3/10/14 17:07, Thierry Goubier wrote: Hi Esteban, I'm not sure my answer will please you or stef, and maybe I shouldn't voice it, staying being a "customer" instead of contributing "the way you want it". Hard words, but yours a

Re: [Pharo-dev] playground size

Tudor Girba wrote: This is indeed a relevant use case, and we are already thinking about this issue for quite a while. The playground or even the workspace are not appropriate for things that need to live for a short time only. I would like to have an interface that comes, let's me enter my co

Re: [Pharo-dev] First additions to GT-Inspector

Tudor Girba wrote: Yes, I like "Raw". Thanks for the ping:). Anyone against "Raw"? Cheers, Doru Raw is good.

Re: [Pharo-dev] About ways to participate in community and general negativity

Le 03/10/2014 21:48, stepharo a écrit : On 3/10/14 17:07, Thierry Goubier wrote: Hi Esteban, I'm not sure my answer will please you or stef, and maybe I shouldn't voice it, staying being a "customer" instead of contributing "the way you want it". Hard words, but yours are hard too. I'd say si

[Pharo-dev] Failing FuelMetalevel tests

FYI: the failing tests in FuelMetalevel are due to this bug: https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/14081/Removing-a-trait-usage-raises-an-exception

Re: [Pharo-dev] About ways to participate in community and general negativity

On Fri, Oct 3, 2014 at 11:03 PM, Alain Rastoul wrote: > Le 03/10/2014 22:10, stepharo a écrit : > > Hi Stef, > > I like your metaphor , and yes, I really hope to share my personal soup > with Pharo community asap. A soup about databases, json, streaming/map > reduce stuff I've been thinking (and

Re: [Pharo-dev] playground size

Well, my Spotlight looks like this: [image: Inline image 1] You'll notice the $ to execute commands. Works well. Code is here: http://www.smalltalkhub.com/#!/~philippeback/HOExtras/packages/Tools Tools is an hefty package. Always interesting to dig in there. Looks like there is SourceWebBrowse

Re: [Pharo-dev] About ways to participate in community and general negativity

Great :) Doru On Fri, Oct 3, 2014 at 11:03 PM, Alain Rastoul wrote: > Le 03/10/2014 22:10, stepharo a écrit : > > Hi Stef, > > I like your metaphor , and yes, I really hope to share my personal soup > with Pharo community asap. A soup about databases, json, streaming/map > reduce stuff I've bee

Re: [Pharo-dev] About ways to participate in community and general negativity

Le 03/10/2014 22:10, stepharo a écrit : Hi Stef, I like your metaphor , and yes, I really hope to share my personal soup with Pharo community asap. A soup about databases, json, streaming/map reduce stuff I've been thinking (and still thinking) for a while now. All of that still in an alpha o

Re: [Pharo-dev] For a DBMS roadmap

2014-10-03 17:35 GMT-03:00 stepharo : > so a question: could we have a clear evaluation of the situation? > What should be done? > Who could write a clear roadmap on DBMS so that we can discuss internally > and see what we can do in the next 6 months > - Glorp? should be updated? It certainly

Re: [Pharo-dev] playground size

This is indeed a relevant use case, and we are already thinking about this issue for quite a while. The playground or even the workspace are not appropriate for things that need to live for a short time only. I would like to have an interface that comes, let's me enter my command and then vanishes

Re: [Pharo-dev] Playground

Hi, Indeed, "Code" was the first choice, but that does not work well in object like a CompiledMethod. So, when you inspect a method object you want to see its code, but at the same time you want to see the CompiledMethod class code as well. That is why we chose something that is more neutral like

Re: [Pharo-dev] First additions to GT-Inspector

Yes, I like "Raw". Thanks for the ping:). Anyone against "Raw"? Cheers, Doru On Fri, Oct 3, 2014 at 10:36 PM, stepharo wrote: > Would it be possible to have 'raw' instead of state? > > Stef > > > I'll make a new version to integrate. > > > Cheers, > Andrei > > On Fri, Oct 3, 2014 at 3:52 P

Re: [Pharo-dev] playground size

Yes your use case make a lot of sense. I am using GT in 3.0 and the inspector is indeed supercool. Now, I've the standard Workspace on Cmd-o Cmd-w and the Playground on Cmd-g. Depending on the task, one or the other is better. I am using Workspaces as a kind of command prompt in Pharo to set

Re: [Pharo-dev] First additions to GT-Inspector

Would it be possible to have 'raw' instead of state? Stef I'll make a new version to integrate. Cheers, Andrei On Fri, Oct 3, 2014 at 3:52 PM, Tudor Girba > wrote: Done! Doru On Fri, Oct 3, 2014 at 3:25 PM, Sven Van Caekenberghe mailto:s...@st

[Pharo-dev] For a DBMS roadmap

so a question: could we have a clear evaluation of the situation? What should be done? Who could write a clear roadmap on DBMS so that we can discuss internally and see what we can do in the next 6 months - Glorp? should be updated? - posgres drivers? - DBXTalk (is is useful or shoul

Re: [Pharo-dev] About ways to participate in community and general negativity

Hi, The intention of the message of Esteban is to urge people to be positive. Nothing else. Keep in mind that email is a rather poor environment and simply ask yourself before sending a message if it can have a chance of leading to something better. Positive does not mean no criticism. On the con

[Pharo-dev] Updates for Pharo4

I fixed a couple of issues and failing tests for Pharo4. There’s also a couple of new things (e.g. test cases for Context instead of MethodContext) that should be integrated into Pharo4. Cheers, Max

Re: [Pharo-dev] About ways to participate in community and general negativity

I agree 100% with Thierry. I wrote and complain about it months ago: we need consolidation in the newly developed stuff we have. So it may mean to slow down and polishing. Because from my point of view, I don't understand where is moving Pharo, but true it is moving. Hilaire Le 03/10/2014 17:07,

Re: [Pharo-dev] About ways to participate in community and general negativity

2014-10-03 16:42 GMT-03:00 stepharo : >> You keep doing your great job, but accept that we, outside of the >> internal, core, revolutionary research being made, might have mundane >> necessities. That on the daily basis have more importance than a >> futuristic 128bit manycore vm that kicks JVM's a

Re: [Pharo-dev] About ways to participate in community and general negativity

Thanks Hilaire. Yes you know it pretty well being a producer is sometimes tiring :) Stef Le 03/10/2014 13:44, Esteban Lorenzano a écrit : I’m writing this because I’m sad about what is happening in this list. Hi Esteban, Don't be sad about negativity. I think it is a sign of good health for P

Re: [Pharo-dev] About ways to participate in community and general negativity

Thanks alain. Here is my metaphor: I help myself and share my "soup of stones" with people that want to improve our soup of stones. At the end our soup may be great. Another way to present my metaphor is: "focus on what you need and change the system (and send us fixes/enhancements) on what y

Re: [Pharo-dev] About ways to participate in community and general negativity

TxText will happen. It's too important to leave it unhappening :). Oh yes like OSWindow, GTToolkit and many other things. :) Stef

Re: [Pharo-dev] About ways to participate in community and general negativity

On 3/10/14 18:56, Hernán Morales Durand wrote: I have the same feeling. "Pharo is yours, but I take the main decisions". Actually it feels a little bit insulting, I am using Pharo since several years in a domain which nobody works with Smalltalk, and never got a survey request (except for s

Re: [Pharo-dev] About ways to participate in community and general negativity

Le 03/10/2014 13:44, Esteban Lorenzano a écrit : > I’m writing this because I’m sad about what is happening in this list. Hi Esteban, Don't be sad about negativity. I think it is a sign of good health for Pharo. First of all it is a feedback, it should raise a red flag somewhere: some expectatio

Re: [Pharo-dev] About ways to participate in community and general negativity

Fourth I have to say that I really don't get the "Pharo is yours" motto. Is there software out there , open source or not that does not listen to its community and does not try hard to makes its users happy ? Pharo is not mine, If I designed Pharo I would make a lot more diffirent choices tha

Re: [Pharo-dev] About ways to participate in community and general negativity

Hi, On Fri, Oct 3, 2014 at 9:48 PM, stepharo wrote: > > You see we started Athens more than two years ago. It is a success for > external tools like moose and Roassal but > without TxText Athens will just be a nice package not change the face of > Pharo and we will get there. > TxText will happ

Re: [Pharo-dev] About ways to participate in community and general negativity

On 3/10/14 17:07, Thierry Goubier wrote: Hi Esteban, I'm not sure my answer will please you or stef, and maybe I shouldn't voice it, staying being a "customer" instead of contributing "the way you want it". Hard words, but yours are hard too. I'd say simply that Pharo is successfull, fairly

Re: [Pharo-dev] Official academic consortium members

Excellent! Doru On Fri, Oct 3, 2014 at 8:43 PM, Clara Allende wrote: > Woh :D > Le 3 oct. 2014 20:16, "Yuriy Tymchuk" a écrit : > > Yay :) >> >> > On 03 Oct 2014, at 19:26, stepharo wrote: >> > >> > Hi guys >> > >> > we are really happy to welcome >> > >> >University of Bern >> >U

Re: [Pharo-dev] About ways to participate in community and general negativity

So, having an OPEN SOURCE project, with limited resources means that there is a lot of things that depend on the community. It depends on the community not just to fix, but to enlarge the ecosystem in general too. It is a matter of tolerance and patience. Not only it is a matter of people wri

Re: [Pharo-dev] About ways to participate in community and general negativity

On 3/10/14 14:58, J.F. Rick wrote: Hi Esteban, seconding your points, it is important to acknowledge why a solid Pharo core is important and worth striving towards even if it can be painful. First, read Bret Victor's reflection on Doug Englebart: http://worrydream.com/#!/Engelbart

Re: [Pharo-dev] About ways to participate in community and general negativity

Superb! I'm happily translating a chapter on Artefact to english for the next book that will be announced soon and that sales will go to the pharo association :) Stef Hi, I’m writing this because I’m sad about what is happening in this list. I’m seeing a lot of general negativity and non con

Re: [Pharo-dev] About ways to participate in community and general negativity

Le 03/10/2014 13:44, Esteban Lorenzano a écrit : Hi, I’m writing this because I’m sad about what is happening in this list. I’m seeing a lot of general negativity and non constructive ways to discuss things. I’m also seeing more and more people using Pharo for their particular interests (which

Re: [Pharo-dev] Why version `GLIBC_2.15'?

if you are facing the same problem, just search for the following subject [Pharo-dev] ANN - Pre-compiled Pharo VM for Debian Stable in this mailing list. thanks On Fri, Oct 3, 2014 at 3:56 PM, Hernán Morales Durand wrote: > I don't know but I would like to read the answer too. > > Hernán > >

Re: [Pharo-dev] Catch Response 500 error in ZnClient

2014-10-03 18:22 GMT+02:00 Sven Van Caekenberghe : > Hi Nicolai, > > I must have missed that one somehow, I will look into it. > > OTOMH, I think you need to add an #enforceHttpSuccess:true or > #systemPolicy to the ZnClient instance being used. > Great! enforceHttpSuccess:true -> success :) >

Re: [Pharo-dev] Why version `GLIBC_2.15'?

I don't know but I would like to read the answer too. Hernán 2014-09-25 21:40 GMT-03:00 Bernardo Ezequiel Contreras : > hi all, > i just want to know why the pharo-vm is compiled with `GLIBC_2.15'? > is there a bug due to glibc's version? > > > thanks. > > > -- > Bernardo E.C. > > Sent from

Re: [Pharo-dev] Official academic consortium members

Woh :D Le 3 oct. 2014 20:16, "Yuriy Tymchuk" a écrit : > Yay :) > > > On 03 Oct 2014, at 19:26, stepharo wrote: > > > > Hi guys > > > > we are really happy to welcome > > > >University of Bern > >Uqbar > >Reveal from Lugano > > > > as official academic member of the pharo consort

Re: [Pharo-dev] Official academic consortium members

Yay :) > On 03 Oct 2014, at 19:26, stepharo wrote: > > Hi guys > > we are really happy to welcome > >University of Bern >Uqbar >Reveal from Lugano > > as official academic member of the pharo consortium. > I know that some other entities are following the same path and this is >

[Pharo-dev] Official academic consortium members

Hi guys we are really happy to welcome University of Bern Uqbar Reveal from Lugano as official academic member of the pharo consortium. I know that some other entities are following the same path and this is really great. Stef

Re: [Pharo-dev] Cmd-o is not opening a new pane?

Marcus Denker wrote: On 03 Oct 2014, at 10:08, Christophe Demarey wrote: Le 3 oct. 2014 à 08:26, Esteban Lorenzano a écrit : well, but that’s something that *now* you cannot do. what people will see now is “cmd+i does one thing in playground, and other thing in other parts of the system".

Re: [Pharo-dev] Playground

Marcus Denker wrote: On 02 Oct 2014, at 21:36, Tudor Girba > wrote: On Thu, Oct 2, 2014 at 5:19 PM, kilon alios > wrote: Is it just me or is the Playground a big step back in the usability of Pharo ? For me its Gui m

Re: [Pharo-dev] Poll: What should we use to replace cmd+o in GTPlayground?

kilon alios wrote: will gtinspector replace the existing inspector ? will it offer all the functionality that the existing inspector offers ? if yes, then I think its obvious that cmd+i is the best choice here. I also think that is time for pharo to get its own shortcut manager so you guys n

Re: [Pharo-dev] About ways to participate in community and general negativity

Generalisations and assumptions lead nowhere , personally I prefer someone that will tell me "fuck you I don't like your attitude" than someone that tries via diplomacy to make a point just so he does not raise the tentions and hurt egos. If there is such a problem as you claim and you are serious

Re: [Pharo-dev] About ways to participate in community and general negativity

2014-10-03 9:27 GMT-03:00 kilon alios : > First of all, if you are referring to me I never said "this is a shit". > > Second what you see as negativity I see it as honesty and for me is far > more important than "Pharo is yours". Assuming honesty does not become > rudeness. > > Third I dont recall

Re: [Pharo-dev] Catch Response 500 error in ZnClient

Hi Nicolai, I must have missed that one somehow, I will look into it. OTOMH, I think you need to add an #enforceHttpSuccess:true or #systemPolicy to the ZnClient instance being used. Sven On 03 Oct 2014, at 17:49, Nicolai Hess wrote: > > 2014-08-24 13:10 GMT+02:00 Nicolai Hess : > How to ca

Re: [Pharo-dev] Playground

Tudor Girba wrote: > and "Meta" showing the _code_ related to the object. [..] but maybe we can find a better one. Maybe "code" for instance side methods ?... "Meta" which will show you the code of the class side of the class, and "Methods" which show you the methods of the class. ...and "

Re: [Pharo-dev] Catch Response 500 error in ZnClient

2014-08-24 13:10 GMT+02:00 Nicolai Hess : > How to catch a ZnResponse(500 Internal Server Error) ? > (see fogbugz issue 13905) > > I tried to add a > ifFail:[] > block but it does not get called on this response. > > > Nicolai > Anyone ? :)

Re: [Pharo-dev] About ways to participate in community and general negativity

well… I think everybody is taking it too personal :) My call was to keep a good environment and try to be more positive on our communication. And to try to provide advice with the criticism (and to provide fixes when possible). I’m completely aware that people has other things to do than Pharo…

Re: [Pharo-dev] playground size

I am using GT in 3.0 and the inspector is indeed supercool. Now, I've the standard Workspace on Cmd-o Cmd-w and the Playground on Cmd-g. Depending on the task, one or the other is better. I am using Workspaces as a kind of command prompt in Pharo to set some state of the system, reinitializing et

Re: [Pharo-dev] playground size

I too feel that GT-Tools in general use up too much screen real estate. It is as if they were designed for big screens and/or small fonts. But I am concentrating on functionality (views) first, the look can change later on I guess. On 03 Oct 2014, at 17:05, Christophe Demarey wrote: > Hi, >

Re: [Pharo-dev] About ways to participate in community and general negativity

Hi Esteban, I'm not sure my answer will please you or stef, and maybe I shouldn't voice it, staying being a "customer" instead of contributing "the way you want it". Hard words, but yours are hard too. I'd say simply that Pharo is successfull, fairly successfull for someone like me. It allows me

[Pharo-dev] playground size

Hi, First I need to say, I love the new GT tools. It really goes a step further. I just wanted to say that I find the Playground window quite big (at least 1/4 of the whole Pharo window). I understand that the size is bigger than a simple workspace to be able to display panes after clicking play

Re: [Pharo-dev] First additions to GT-Inspector

I'll make a new version to integrate. Cheers, Andrei On Fri, Oct 3, 2014 at 3:52 PM, Tudor Girba wrote: > Done! > > Doru > > On Fri, Oct 3, 2014 at 3:25 PM, Sven Van Caekenberghe > wrote: > >> >> On 03 Oct 2014, at 15:23, Tudor Girba wrote: >> >> > Great. I checked it quickly and it looks gr

[Pharo-dev] [pharo-project/pharo-core] 3ad5e4: 40280

Branch: refs/heads/4.0 Home: https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo-core Commit: 3ad5e446a607564ae9c5a653681812e861b32240 https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo-core/commit/3ad5e446a607564ae9c5a653681812e861b32240 Author: Jenkins Build Server Date: 2014-10-03 (Fri, 03 Oct 2014

[Pharo-dev] [pharo-project/pharo-core]

Branch: refs/tags/40280 Home: https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo-core

Re: [Pharo-dev] First additions to GT-Inspector

Done! Doru On Fri, Oct 3, 2014 at 3:25 PM, Sven Van Caekenberghe wrote: > > On 03 Oct 2014, at 15:23, Tudor Girba wrote: > > > Great. I checked it quickly and it looks great. I added you to the Moose > team. Could you please commit directly in the repo? > > Done, you'll have to merge my versio

Re: [Pharo-dev] About ways to participate in community and general negativity

On Fri, Oct 3, 2014 at 3:23 PM, Esteban A. Maringolo wrote: > 2014-10-03 8:44 GMT-03:00 Esteban Lorenzano : > > > Please people, we (the pharo “core” team) cannot do everything. > > We do not have the manpower or the resources to hire manpower. > > We would like, but we just do not have the resou

Re: [Pharo-dev] ZnEasy and post:data:

On Thu, Oct 2, 2014, at 01:28 AM, Sven Van Caekenberghe wrote: > ZnClient is your friend (it is a builder) : > > ZnClient new > url: 'http://some/thing'; > formAt: #foo put: #bar; > formAt: 'baz' put: 'quux'; > post. > Ah, that's indeed perfect. I think I discounted ZnClient initially b

Re: [Pharo-dev] First additions to GT-Inspector

On 03 Oct 2014, at 15:23, Tudor Girba wrote: > Great. I checked it quickly and it looks great. I added you to the Moose > team. Could you please commit directly in the repo? Done, you'll have to merge my version since it is two commits behind. > Doru > > On Fri, Oct 3, 2014 at 3:17 PM, Sven

Re: [Pharo-dev] About ways to participate in community and general negativity

2014-10-03 8:44 GMT-03:00 Esteban Lorenzano : > Please people, we (the pharo “core” team) cannot do everything. > We do not have the manpower or the resources to hire manpower. > We would like, but we just do not have the resources > (is already a blessing that we can work on this, for now: INRIA

Re: [Pharo-dev] First additions to GT-Inspector

Great. I checked it quickly and it looks great. I added you to the Moose team. Could you please commit directly in the repo? Doru On Fri, Oct 3, 2014 at 3:17 PM, Sven Van Caekenberghe wrote: > I made my first additions/changes to GT-Inspector: > > === > Name: GT-InspectorExtensions-Core-SvenVan

[Pharo-dev] First additions to GT-Inspector

I made my first additions/changes to GT-Inspector: === Name: GT-InspectorExtensions-Core-SvenVanCaekenberghe.54 Author: SvenVanCaekenberghe Time: 3 October 2014, 3:03:17.252107 pm UUID: 853cfe8d-314c-4eac-ad67-8c6eff2b4f83 Ancestors: GT-InspectorExtensions-Core-TudorGirba.53 Customized GT-Inspect

Re: [Pharo-dev] blogging about Pharo stuff? send me your link!

Thank you. Hernán 2014-10-03 9:47 GMT-03:00 Esteban Lorenzano : > missed in the pile, sorry. > added now. > > > On 03 Oct 2014, at 14:41, Hernán Morales Durand > wrote: > > I have sent you the link to my Pharo blog by private message five days > ago, but never got replied. So here it is again >

Re: [Pharo-dev] About ways to participate in community and general negativity

Hi Esteban, seconding your points, it is important to acknowledge why a solid Pharo core is important and worth striving towards even if it can be painful. First, read Bret Victor's reflection on Doug Englebart: http://worrydream.com/#!/Engelbart He makes the case that the vision that drove Engle

Re: [Pharo-dev] Cmd-o is not opening a new pane?

+1 On 03 Oct 2014, at 14:53, Tudor Girba wrote: > Or it can be "Do it and go". > > Doru > > On Fri, Oct 3, 2014 at 2:41 PM, Tudor Girba wrote: > Ok. Then how do we call the action? > > I like "gInspect", but that is not useful for > non-deeply-into-the-joke-people. Would "Go" be fine? > >

Re: [Pharo-dev] Cmd-o is not opening a new pane?

> On 03 Oct 2014, at 14:53, Tudor Girba wrote: > > Or it can be "Do it and go”. +1 > > Doru > > On Fri, Oct 3, 2014 at 2:41 PM, Tudor Girba > wrote: > Ok. Then how do we call the action? > > I like "gInspect", but that is not useful for > non-deeply-into-the-j

Re: [Pharo-dev] Cmd-o is not opening a new pane?

Or it can be "Do it and go". Doru On Fri, Oct 3, 2014 at 2:41 PM, Tudor Girba wrote: > Ok. Then how do we call the action? > > I like "gInspect", but that is not useful for > non-deeply-into-the-joke-people. Would "Go" be fine? > > Cheers, > Doru > > On Fri, Oct 3, 2014 at 2:37 PM, Esteban Lore

Re: [Pharo-dev] blogging about Pharo stuff? send me your link!

missed in the pile, sorry. added now. > On 03 Oct 2014, at 14:41, Hernán Morales Durand > wrote: > > I have sent you the link to my Pharo blog by private message five days ago, > but never got replied. So here it is again > > http://80738163270632.blogspot.com.ar/ >

Re: [Pharo-dev] Cmd-o is not opening a new pane?

Ok. Then how do we call the action? I like "gInspect", but that is not useful for non-deeply-into-the-joke-people. Would "Go" be fine? Cheers, Doru On Fri, Oct 3, 2014 at 2:37 PM, Esteban Lorenzano wrote: > yeah, I can agree with that :) > > On 03 Oct 2014, at 14:27, Tudor Girba wrote: > > I

Re: [Pharo-dev] blogging about Pharo stuff? send me your link!

I have sent you the link to my Pharo blog by private message five days ago, but never got replied. So here it is again http://80738163270632.blogspot.com.ar/ And this is my BioSmalltalk blog http://biosmalltalk.blogspot.com Cheers, Hernán 2014-08-05 10:06 GMT-03:00 Esteban Lorenzano : > I k

Re: [Pharo-dev] Cmd-o is not opening a new pane?

yeah, I can agree with that :) > On 03 Oct 2014, at 14:27, Tudor Girba wrote: > > I suggest another thing. > > We keep Cmd+g as the "ginspect". And when we will work on the next tools will > add this command when possible. > > So, in essence, Cmd+i will become the Cmd+Shift+i from my proposal

Re: [Pharo-dev] About ways to participate in community and general negativity

I’m not talking about you or anyone else in particular. I’m talking about a general attitude I’m sensing. Now, I can be wrong… of course (and I hope) :) Esteban > On 03 Oct 2014, at 14:27, kilon alios wrote: > > First of all, if you are referring to me I never said "this is a shit". > > Sec

Re: [Pharo-dev] Cmd-o is not opening a new pane?

I suggest another thing. We keep Cmd+g as the "ginspect". And when we will work on the next tools will add this command when possible. So, in essence, Cmd+i will become the Cmd+Shift+i from my proposal, and Cmd+g will become the Cmd+i from my proposal. What do you think? Cheers, Doru On Fri,

Re: [Pharo-dev] About ways to participate in community and general negativity

First of all, if you are referring to me I never said "this is a shit". Second what you see as negativity I see it as honesty and for me is far more important than "Pharo is yours". Assuming honesty does not become rudeness. Third I dont recall anyone ever demanding a feature of you guys working

Re: [Pharo-dev] "Browser" on a single class

My main interest in fact is recategorisation of methods. And dragging them into protocols looks pretty good for now. Can I do the same with glamour? Uko > On 03 Oct 2014, at 13:26, Esteban Lorenzano wrote: > >> >> On 03 Oct 2014, at 13:14, Nicolai Hess > > wrote: >>

Re: [Pharo-dev] Poll: What should we use to replace cmd+o in GTPlayground?

yeah sorry for the confusion, no idea why i pressed i instead of 1. On Fri, Oct 3, 2014 at 2:47 PM, Marcus Denker wrote: > > On 03 Oct 2014, at 13:44, Richard Wettel wrote: > > I assume you selected x and inspected it before evaluating the assignment > statement, in which case remains uninitial

Re: [Pharo-dev] Poll: What should we use to replace cmd+o in GTPlayground?

On 03 Oct 2014, at 13:44, Richard Wettel wrote: > I assume you selected x and inspected it before evaluating the assignment > statement, in which case remains uninitialized. > > Cheers > Ricky > — > Sent from Mailbox > > > On Fri, Oct 3, 2014 at 1:40 PM, kilon alios wrote: > > actually i j

Re: [Pharo-dev] Poll: What should we use to replace cmd+o in GTPlayground?

I assume you selected x and inspected it before evaluating the assignment statement, in which case remains uninitialized. Cheers Ricky — Sent from Mailbox On Fri, Oct 3, 2014 at 1:40 PM, kilon alios wrote: > actually i just tried it > I opened the Playground and typed > x := 1. > and I click

[Pharo-dev] About ways to participate in community and general negativity

Hi, I’m writing this because I’m sad about what is happening in this list. I’m seeing a lot of general negativity and non constructive ways to discuss things. I’m also seeing more and more people using Pharo for their particular interests (which is of course a good thing) but less and less peo

Re: [Pharo-dev] Poll: What should we use to replace cmd+o in GTPlayground?

actually i just tried it I opened the Playground and typed x := 1. and I clicked inspect and it opens an inspector window that is empty completely I assume this is a bug ? this is how it looks --> On Fri, Oct 3, 2014 at 2:25 PM, Tudor Girba wrote: > Yes, it is meant to replace the classi

Re: [Pharo-dev] "Browser" on a single class

> On 03 Oct 2014, at 13:14, Nicolai Hess wrote: > > > Am 03.10.2014 12:34 schrieb "Yuriy Tymchuk" >: > > > > Hi. > > > > I want to make something like a browser on a single class. I.e. just use 2 > > last lists out if 4 in standard browser. > > > > Is there alread

Re: [Pharo-dev] Poll: What should we use to replace cmd+o in GTPlayground?

Yes, it is meant to replace the classic inspector. Did you notice that anything is missing? Doru On Fri, Oct 3, 2014 at 1:24 PM, kilon alios wrote: > will gtinspector replace the existing inspector ? will it offer all the > functionality that the existing inspector offers ? > > if yes, then I t

Re: [Pharo-dev] Poll: What should we use to replace cmd+o in GTPlayground?

will gtinspector replace the existing inspector ? will it offer all the functionality that the existing inspector offers ? if yes, then I think its obvious that cmd+i is the best choice here. I also think that is time for pharo to get its own shortcut manager so you guys not have to worry about t

Re: [Pharo-dev] Playground

Well my problem was that I was caught by suprise, I saw workspace disappear and suddenly I see a new tool that looks and behaves very diffirently and me not able to do even the most basic stuff I was doing with workspace. I now looking throught your links and I understand now that this is no worksp

Re: [Pharo-dev] Playground

Solution is more engineers. You are not targeted as a person, nor do I expect you to solve this in any way. And you are astounding in how much work you tackle. It is a systemic issue, this is just a symptom. Phil On Fri, Oct 3, 2014 at 1:12 PM, Marcus Denker wrote: > > On 03 Oct 2014, at 13

Re: [Pharo-dev] "Browser" on a single class

Am 03.10.2014 12:34 schrieb "Yuriy Tymchuk" : > > Hi. > > I want to make something like a browser on a single class. I.e. just use 2 last lists out if 4 in standard browser. > > Is there already something like that? If not, should I use existing widgets, or implement my own using spec? > > Cheers!

Re: [Pharo-dev] Playground

One that cannot be reproduced right off the bat is one which is more complex than meets the eye. Heisenbugs? Still, bugs. Easy to say, of course. Now, maybe putting things as "closed" when you cannot reproduce is not okay with me. I understand the scale of the issues list and that you do your best

Re: [Pharo-dev] Playground

Everybody, please remember that Pharo is an open-source project. People contribute because they want to, not because they have to. This also means that users cannot demand something, they can only ask. I think it is also natural that users make their own customisations and their own selections

Re: [Pharo-dev] Playground

On 03 Oct 2014, at 13:03, p...@highoctane.be wrote: > I just tell you what the feeling is. This has happened for a lot of what I > reported. > And what is the solution? I fixed *HUNDRETS* of issues. maybe I should stop. > Do not mistake me, Pharo is usable and I haven't been encountering bl

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