Re: [NF} FoxPro and .NET better than Linux?

2007-06-18 Thread MB Software Solutions
Ed Leafe wrote: > On Jun 18, 2007, at 2:37 PM, MB Software Solutions wrote: > > >>> The AD justified his lack of knowledge of the cross country team >>> runners by saying, "This was a pep rally for the fall sports teams. >>> 'Running' is not a sport." >>> >> He didn't really say thatd

Re: [NF} FoxPro and .NET better than Linux?

2007-06-18 Thread Ed Leafe
On Jun 18, 2007, at 2:37 PM, MB Software Solutions wrote: >> The AD justified his lack of knowledge of the cross country team >> runners by saying, "This was a pep rally for the fall sports teams. >> 'Running' is not a sport." > > He didn't really say thatdid he It's not a "specta

Re: [NF} FoxPro and .NET better than Linux?

2007-06-18 Thread MB Software Solutions
Whil Hentzen (Pro*) wrote: > The AD justified his lack of knowledge of the cross country team > runners by saying, "This was a pep rally for the fall sports teams. > 'Running' is not a sport." He didn't really say thatdid he -- Michael J. Babcock, MCP MB Software Solutions, LLC http://

Re: [NF} FoxPro and .NET better than Linux?

2007-06-18 Thread MB Software Solutions
Alan Bourke wrote: > They definitely dropped the ball badly with the VB community. > > > No, they just reinforced the "One Microsoft Way" mentality. -- Michael J. Babcock, MCP MB Software Solutions, LLC http://mbsoftwaresolutions.com http://fabmate.com "Work smarter, not harder, with MBSS c

Re: [NF} FoxPro and .NET better than Linux?

2007-06-18 Thread Whil Hentzen (Pro*)
Alan Bourke wrote: > They definitely dropped the ball badly with the VB community. Yup. Makes me glad to be part of the VFP community that's been so well coddled. Back in high school, our Athletic Director was going to introduce the fall sports teams at a pep rally. He got through the start

Re: [NF} FoxPro and .NET better than Linux?

2007-06-18 Thread Alan Bourke
They definitely dropped the ball badly with the VB community. ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable

Re: [NF} FoxPro and .NET better than Linux?

2007-06-11 Thread Alan Bourke
Leland F. Jackson, CPA wrote: > With these tools I can build a > web site without the need of writing a single line of java code. > Netbeans visual web plugin allows me to create web pages by dragging and > dropping objects onto the designer frame and then filling out a property > sheets on t

Re: [NF} FoxPro and .NET better than Linux?

2007-06-09 Thread MB Software Solutions
Ted Roche wrote: > I'm sorry, I rather doubt that his salary was within orders of > magnitude of what a Chief Executive Officer makes, especially in the > US, where the numbers have gone crazy. I doubt it's 6-figures USD. Boy you said it (about it gone crazy)...the past 10+ years has been insan

Re: [NF} FoxPro and .NET better than Linux?

2007-06-09 Thread Ted Roche
On 6/8/07, Andrew Stirling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Just so I can salivate > Any idea what he earned as > a) director of engineering at the Linux Foundation > b) Director of Linux Interoperability > > I'm thinking I will have to enlarge the Gross Pay fields of CalcPay!!! > I'm sorry, I rather

Re: [NF} FoxPro and .NET better than Linux?

2007-06-08 Thread Andrew Stirling
Just so I can salivate Any idea what he earned as a) director of engineering at the Linux Foundation b) Director of Linux Interoperability I'm thinking I will have to enlarge the Gross Pay fields of CalcPay!!! Andrew Stirling 01250 874580 http://www.calcpay.co.uk HMRC Accredited UK payroll progra

Re: [NF} FoxPro and .NET better than Linux?

2007-06-08 Thread Ted Roche
Well, hello, DOLI! http://blog.seattlepi.nwsource.com/microsoft/archives/116377.asp Microsoft hires 'Director of Linux Interoperability' "Microsoft has brought someone aboard to serve as its "Director of Linux Interoperability" and head up the Microsoft/Novell Interoperability Lab -- and his nam

Re: [NF} FoxPro and .NET better than Linux?

2007-06-08 Thread Ted Roche
On 6/6/07, David Crooks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Just read this column this morning: > http://www.sswug.org/nlarchive.asp "I think perhaps my favorite thing here was the seeming admittance by IT pros that long-term projects just don't work. YEEHA and No Kidding. " I have to disagree. If 8

Re: [NF} FoxPro and .NET better than Linux?

2007-06-08 Thread Leland F. Jackson, CPA
IBM has adopted a number of OS(s) to run on its hardware. 1) IBM's MVS which is now call OS/390 2) IBM's UNIX which is called AIX 3) Red Hat's Linux 4) IBM's OS/2 5) There are no doubt many more. There are many OS choices when it come to IBM. I think IBM will definite put its stamp on Red

Re: [NF} FoxPro and .NET better than Linux?

2007-06-08 Thread Ted Roche
On 6/7/07, Vince Teachout <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Ted Roche wrote: > > >It was enormous gaul [sic] on the part of MS to cut > > off the majority of its (customer's) toolkit > > I'm not really following this thread at all, I was just surprised to see > Julius Caesar working for Microsoft. :-

Re: [NF} FoxPro and .NET better than Linux?

2007-06-08 Thread Ed Leafe
On Jun 8, 2007, at 7:46 AM, Peter Cushing wrote: > You must love the scene in Life of Brian where the guard is > teaching him > latin. How many Romans? Go home? That's motion towards. etc. etc My older son took Latin in middle school, and the teacher showed that scene in class. She

Re: [NF} FoxPro and .NET better than Linux?

2007-06-08 Thread Jean Laeremans
On 6/8/07, Peter Cushing <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Jean Laeremans wrote: > > Babelfish ? > > I had to translate most of "De bello Gallico" in my time and this > > was only the beginners stuff as dear Julius was a rather easy read. > > Six years of Latin you see.. > > > You must love the scene i

Re: [NF} FoxPro and .NET better than Linux?

2007-06-08 Thread Peter Cushing
Jean Laeremans wrote: > Babelfish ? > I had to translate most of "De bello Gallico" in my time and this > was only the beginners stuff as dear Julius was a rather easy read. > Six years of Latin you see.. > You must love the scene in Life of Brian where the guard is teaching him latin. How ma

Re: [NF} FoxPro and .NET better than Linux?

2007-06-08 Thread Jean Laeremans
On 6/8/07, Peter Cushing <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Jean Laeremans wrote: > > Horum omnium fortissimi sunt Belgae > > > > That babelfish has got a lot to answer for ;-) > > Peter Babelfish ? I had to translate most of "De bello Gallico" in my time and this was only the beginners stuff as dear J

Re: [NF} FoxPro and .NET better than Linux?

2007-06-08 Thread Peter Cushing
Jean Laeremans wrote: > Horum omnium fortissimi sunt Belgae > That babelfish has got a lot to answer for ;-) Peter ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this li

Re: [NF} FoxPro and .NET better than Linux?

2007-06-08 Thread Jean Laeremans
On 6/8/07, Vince Teachout <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > An ancient region of western Europe south and west of the Rhine River, > west of the Alps, and north of the Pyrenees, corresponding roughly to > modern-day France and Belgium. Horum omnium fortissimi sunt Belgae A+ jml _

RE: [NF} FoxPro and .NET better than Linux?

2007-06-07 Thread Bill Arnold
Leland, I can't, quickly anyway, seem to locate an overview, but one of IBM's redbooks describes SMP with a few words: "Chapter 3 describes OS/390 SMP/E which is a tool designed to manage the installation of software products on your OS/390 system and to track the modifications you make to those

Re: [NF} FoxPro and .NET better than Linux?

2007-06-07 Thread Kenneth Kixmoeller/fh
On Jun 7, 2007, at 8:36 PM, Vince Teachout wrote: > If you made a Napoleon joke, some might think it small of you. Thanks for the enlightenment on gall, Gaul, Gallia, by golly! ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http:/

Re: [NF} FoxPro and .NET better than Linux?

2007-06-07 Thread Leland F. Jackson, CPA
Whoops, I didn't include the below link in the previous post: http://www.novell.com/news/press/microsoft_and_novell_announce_broad_collaboration_on_windows_and_linux_interoperability_and_support or http://tinyurl.com/3xp67r Regards, LelandJ Leland F. Jackson, CPA wrote: > IBM in the past had

Re: [NF} FoxPro and .NET better than Linux?

2007-06-07 Thread Leland F. Jackson, CPA
IBM in the past had used red hat Linux for its smaller clients and SUSE Linux to run with the big dogs. IBM upgraded SUSE Linux security to run on its mainframe computers (eg the 390 I think). Now that Microsoft has signed an agreement with Novell, who own SUSE Linux, to partner in allowing Mi

RE: [NF} FoxPro and .NET better than Linux?

2007-06-07 Thread Bill Arnold
I think Linux is the best bet for the long run, with one assumption: that IBM endows it with it's SMP maintenance system. Then language/tool vendors can work within that paradigm to distribute and maintain their products without our having to deal with versioning, dependencies and other maintenanc

Re: [NF} FoxPro and .NET better than Linux?

2007-06-07 Thread Vince Teachout
Kenneth Kixmoeller/fh wrote: > On Jun 7, 2007, at 3:40 PM, Vince Teachout wrote: > >>> It was enormous gaul on the part of MS to cut >>> off the majority of its (customer's) toolkit >> I'm not really following this thread at all, I was just surprised >> to see >> Julius Caesar working for Micr

Re: [NF} FoxPro and .NET better than Linux?

2007-06-07 Thread Leland F. Jackson, CPA
After naming SUN Studio Creator 2 as a good example of a linux programming IDE that ran on Linux, I decided to install it on my FC6 desktop computer, since I hadn't looked at it since I evaluated it on FC4. I had problems installing Creator 2 on FC6, but after doing some additional reading, I

Re: [NF} FoxPro and .NET better than Linux?

2007-06-07 Thread Kenneth Kixmoeller/fh
On Jun 7, 2007, at 3:40 PM, Vince Teachout wrote: > >> It was enormous gaul on the part of MS to cut >> off the majority of its (customer's) toolkit > > I'm not really following this thread at all, I was just surprised > to see > Julius Caesar working for Microsoft. :-P Oops, you meant "Nap

Re: [NF} FoxPro and .NET better than Linux?

2007-06-07 Thread Chet Gardiner
By this logic, shouldn't car manufacturers move the steering wheel to the rear of the car and the pedals to the passenger side requiring twice as many folks to drive the thing down the road? That would be new and exciting! And analogous to moving/changing the application development methodolog

Re: [NF} FoxPro and .NET better than Linux?

2007-06-07 Thread Richard Kaye
I wanted to say something, Vince. So good of you to step in Vince Teachout wrote: > Ted Roche wrote: > > >> It was enormous gaul on the part of MS to cut >> off the majority of its (customer's) toolkit >> > > I'm not really following this thread at all, I was just surprised to see >

Re: [NF} FoxPro and .NET better than Linux?

2007-06-07 Thread Vince Teachout
Ted Roche wrote: >It was enormous gaul on the part of MS to cut > off the majority of its (customer's) toolkit I'm not really following this thread at all, I was just surprised to see Julius Caesar working for Microsoft. :-P Ok why I don't just go sit in the corner and just shut the hell

Re: [NF} FoxPro and .NET better than Linux?

2007-06-07 Thread Derek Kalweit
> You really do need a good answer to this question, but I'm under > deadline on a couple of projects, and might not get back to this right > away, but here's a nutshell answer you can take potshots at: Thanks for responding. > Windows development should have plowed ahead with VB 7, 8, and 9. >

Re: [NF} FoxPro and .NET better than Linux?

2007-06-07 Thread Ted Roche
On 6/7/07, David Crooks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I can't wait until PHP is a legacy language... Maybe the PHP Corporation will declare that they're no longer going to support it. -- Ted Roche Ted Roche & Associates, LLC http://www.tedroche.com _

Re: [NF} FoxPro and .NET better than Linux?

2007-06-07 Thread Ted Roche
On 6/7/07, MB Software Solutions <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > on the overhead: "Visual Basic Strategic Design Review" ?!?? huh? Wonder what that's about? I can neither confirm not deny that I may or maybe not be, or may have been at the time, under an NDA. I just helped set up the picture

Re: [NF} FoxPro and .NET better than Linux?

2007-06-07 Thread MB Software Solutions
David Crooks wrote: > On Thursday, June 07, 2007 3:31 PM Michael wrote: > > >> He was trying to stir up the dust, he said. >> > > Got it. He needs a dust pan. :-) > > I can't wait until PHP is a legacy language... > But sometimes that's in vogue: look at AJAX! I thought "legacy cod

Re: [NF} FoxPro and .NET better than Linux?

2007-06-07 Thread MB Software Solutions
Ted Roche wrote: >> Have you looked at .NET? >> > > Nearly five years ago, a few of us hung out in Redmond and discussed > it in some depth: > > http://www.tedroche.com/images/RedmondJuly2002.jpg > on the overhead: "Visual Basic Strategic Design Review" ?!?? huh? -- Michael J. Ba

RE: [NF} FoxPro and .NET better than Linux?

2007-06-07 Thread David Crooks
On Thursday, June 07, 2007 3:31 PM Michael wrote: >He was trying to stir up the dust, he said. Got it. He needs a dust pan. :-) I can't wait until PHP is a legacy language... David L. Crooks ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Ma

Re: [NF} FoxPro and .NET better than Linux?

2007-06-07 Thread MB Software Solutions
Bill Anderson wrote: > > MSFT didn't lie per se, but to intentionally deceive -- (another quote > from the same individual) -- "That's just business." > I thought that's the definition of "marketing." What's that line---"lies, lies, and damned lies." -- Michael J. Babcock, MCP M

Re: [NF} FoxPro and .NET better than Linux?

2007-06-07 Thread MB Software Solutions
David Crooks wrote: > > >> Microsoft set Windows development back ten years with DotNet. I had to do >> something while I was >> >> waiting for the dust to clear. I've been having a blast. I like Python >> > more than PHP, but PHP is. >paying the bills right now. > > I don't agree t

Re: [NF} FoxPro and .NET better than Linux?

2007-06-07 Thread Ted Roche
On 6/7/07, Derek Kalweit <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Microsoft set Windows development back ten years with DotNet. > Please, Ted-- tell us what Windows development SHOULD be right now. > How did Dotnet set it 'back'? Derek: You really do need a good answer to this question, but I'm under deadl

Re: [NF} FoxPro and .NET better than Linux?

2007-06-07 Thread Bill Anderson
MB Software Solutions wrote: >> One of the all-time great quotes from a MSFT marketer at LA Fox re: .NET >> 1.0 -- "Companies are throwing out their mission critical applications >> sight unseen to rewrite them in the beta version of .NET [1.0]." >> >> > That's absolutely absurd! Talk ab

Re: [NF} FoxPro and .NET better than Linux?

2007-06-07 Thread Derek Kalweit
> > Just because something isn't broken, doesn't mean it can't be done > > better. Innovation in technology shouldn't be held back by 'if it > > ain't broke' mentality-- 'if it ain't broke' mentality is more an > > argument for business ROI evaluations. > Isn't that exactly what is being d

RE: [NF} FoxPro and .NET better than Linux?

2007-06-07 Thread David Crooks
On Wednesday, June 06, 2007 10:19 PM Ted Roche wrote: >Microsoft set Windows development back ten years with DotNet. I had to do something while I was >waiting for the dust to clear. I've been having a blast. I like Python more than PHP, but PHP is. >paying the bills right now. I don't agree th

Re: [NF} FoxPro and .NET better than Linux?

2007-06-07 Thread Derek Kalweit
> I'll bet that whatever money was > spent on it, they could have saved money having it written in VFP > (assuming it could have been) since it required much much more > development time to do something in DotNot 1.0 that you could have done > much much easier in VFP. Who says it would take more

Re: [NF} FoxPro and .NET better than Linux?

2007-06-07 Thread Ed Leafe
On Jun 7, 2007, at 12:18 PM, Derek Kalweit wrote: > Just because something isn't broken, doesn't mean it can't be done > better. Innovation in technology shouldn't be held back by 'if it > ain't broke' mentality-- 'if it ain't broke' mentality is more an > argument for business ROI evaluations.

Re: [NF} FoxPro and .NET better than Linux?

2007-06-07 Thread Derek Kalweit
> > Is that comment coming from a php flip boy? > That's a new title. I've been called worse. > Microsoft set Windows development back ten years with DotNet. I had to > do something while I was waiting for the dust to clear. I've been > having a blast. I like Python more than PHP, but PHP is payi

Re: [NF} FoxPro and .NET better than Linux?

2007-06-07 Thread Derek Kalweit
> > That really isn't the problem at all. The old code works, but could you > > change a looping scan to a LINQ statement? The bar is getting raised all > > the time and it's hard to stay with it. > Why does the saying "if it ain't broke, ..." come to mind? Sure, I > could rip all the walls off

RE: [NF} FoxPro and .NET better than Linux?

2007-06-06 Thread Stephen the Cook
MB Software Solutions <> wrote: > > Why does the saying "if it ain't broke, ..." come to mind? Sure, I > could rip all the walls off of my house to use the latest/greatest > technology in siding, but would it really be worth it? Likewise with > rewriting a working application in DotNyet! Wh

Re: [NF} FoxPro and .NET better than Linux?

2007-06-06 Thread MB Software Solutions
Stephen the Cook wrote: > MB Software Solutions <> wrote: > >> Stephen the Cook wrote: >> >>> Who has time to get good at this when it improves way to quick. >>> >>> >>> >> This is exactly what I mean! It drives new developers crazy with >> anxiety. "Ugh...what I learn now won't ma

RE: [NF} FoxPro and .NET better than Linux?

2007-06-06 Thread Stephen the Cook
MB Software Solutions <> wrote: > Stephen the Cook wrote: >> Who has time to get good at this when it improves way to quick. >> >> > > This is exactly what I mean! It drives new developers crazy with > anxiety. "Ugh...what I learn now won't matter come next > release--I'll have to relearn yet

Re: [NF} FoxPro and .NET better than Linux?

2007-06-06 Thread Ted Roche
On 6/6/07, Stephen the Cook <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Ted Roche <> wrote: > > Is that comment coming from a php flip boy? > That's a new title. I've been called worse. Microsoft set Windows development back ten years with DotNet. I had to do something while I was waiting for the dust to clear

Re: [NF} FoxPro and .NET better than Linux?

2007-06-06 Thread Ted Roche
On 6/6/07, Eugene Vital <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > You did say something about a Flame war, didn't you ? :-P I did indeed. Throw a little gasoline on the fire and we'll all have a wonderful time. It was getting too quiet around here... -- Ted Roche Ted Roche & Associates, LLC http://www.tedr

Re: [NF} FoxPro and .NET better than Linux?

2007-06-06 Thread MB Software Solutions
Bill Anderson wrote: > ...and from what I understand, the companies didn't have to pay a cent > for the development of these applications. Apparently, they got their > money's worth . > lol! Would they have spent the money that normally would have been required to write those applications?

Re: [NF} FoxPro and .NET better than Linux?

2007-06-06 Thread Bill Anderson
Ted Roche wrote: > I think Dell is at www.dell.com. Revlon... hmm, I'm not sure, but you > can probably google it. > > Dell and Revlon were the two case studies of early adopters featured > at the official DotNet 1DotZero rollout world-wide net-cast as > incredible successes of DotNet before it was

Re: [NF} FoxPro and .NET better than Linux?

2007-06-06 Thread Eugene Vital
Ted Roche wrote: > On 6/5/07, Eugene Vital <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> He speaks as though anyone cares what he is saying. >> >> > > Meeeooowww! I actually appreciate his columns when he's advocating for > consumers against Big Companies. I think he's had some insightful > things to say

RE: [NF} FoxPro and .NET better than Linux?

2007-06-06 Thread Stephen the Cook
Ted Roche <> wrote: > On 6/6/07, Stephen the Cook <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> This year has Expression Blend adding yet another layer to using XAML >> within .NET. /Who has time to get good at this when it improves way >> to quick. > > Assuming that it's possible to "get good" at DotNet at

Re: [NF} FoxPro and .NET better than Linux?

2007-06-06 Thread Derek Kalweit
> > > real end-users. To be fair, 80% of projects of that size probably > > > fail. > > True. Companies of that size also have a habit of outsourcing them to > > India, too... Coincidence? Maybe... > Coincidence in this case. I believe the projects were sourced to > Microsoft Consulting Services.

Re: [NF} FoxPro and .NET better than Linux?

2007-06-06 Thread Ted Roche
On 6/6/07, Derek Kalweit <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > real end-users. To be fair, 80% of projects of that size probably > > fail. > > True. Companies of that size also have a habit of outsourcing them to > India, too... Coincidence? Maybe... Coincidence in this case. I believe the projects were

Re: [NF} FoxPro and .NET better than Linux?

2007-06-06 Thread Derek Kalweit
> real end-users. To be fair, 80% of projects of that size probably > fail. True. Companies of that size also have a habit of outsourcing them to India, too... Coincidence? Maybe... -- Derek ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Mainte

RE: [NF} FoxPro and .NET better than Linux?

2007-06-06 Thread David Crooks
On Wednesday, June 06, 2007 12:54 PM Michael wrote: >So the key to success is to keep the projects small, eh? That's why I >like working with SMBs! ;-) Just read this column this morning: http://www.sswug.org/nlarchive.asp David L. Crooks ___ P

Re: [NF} FoxPro and .NET better than Linux?

2007-06-06 Thread MB Software Solutions
Ted Roche wrote: > I think Dell is at www.dell.com. Revlon... hmm, I'm not sure, but you > can probably google it. > They make them thar computer thingies, don't they? > Dell and Revlon were the two case studies of early adopters featured > at the official DotNet 1DotZero rollout world-wide n

Re: [NF} FoxPro and .NET better than Linux?

2007-06-06 Thread Ted Roche
On 6/6/07, MB Software Solutions <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Ted Roche wrote: > >> the one at Revlon? > >> > Bill Anderson wrote: > > Or Dell? > > What're you guys talking about? Got any URLs to illustrate your point? > I think Dell is at www.dell.com. Revlon... hmm, I'm not sure, but you can

Re: [NF} FoxPro and .NET better than Linux?

2007-06-06 Thread Alan Bourke
The only thing I've ever come across is that the recommended approach for using configuration files was deprecated in 2.0. It will still work, it'll just throw up warnings when you compile it. Granted, they did replace the old way with an overly complicated method as well. -- Alan Bourke [EMAI

Re: [NF} FoxPro and .NET better than Linux?

2007-06-06 Thread Alan Bourke
Older version not supported any more! More news at 10! -- Alan Bourke [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailm

RE: [NF} FoxPro and .NET better than Linux?

2007-06-06 Thread Alan Bourke
On Wed, 6 Jun 2007 09:33:46 +0100, "Andy Davies" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > exactly what was said about .net v1, and v2 was a re-learning exercise. > There is no (ongoing) money in selling a stable platform! .NET is free. As are the entry-level versions of the various dev tools. -- Alan Bour

Re: [NF} FoxPro and .NET better than Linux?

2007-06-06 Thread Derek Kalweit
> >> Per MSFT, .NET 1.x series was revolutionary, so revolutionary that...it > >> isn't supported anymore. > > Just like VFP. Well, depending on your definition of 'support' anyways... > But the backwards compatibility makes VFP really attractive!!! DotNot > can't say that apparently? VFP7, VFP

Re: [NF} FoxPro and .NET better than Linux?

2007-06-06 Thread MB Software Solutions
Bill Anderson wrote: > Ted Roche wrote: > >> DotNet 1.x isn't supported any more? What about those revolutionary >> DotNet OnePointOh applications that MS featured at the rollout, like >> the one at Revlon? >> > Or Dell? > > What're you guys talking about? Got any URLs to illustrate yo

Re: [NF} FoxPro and .NET better than Linux?

2007-06-06 Thread MB Software Solutions
Derek Kalweit wrote: >>> I believe that the fact that v2 was a big overhaul (that's what I heard, >>> anyway) was another deterrent from other developers wanting to jump onto >>> the DotNet bandwagon---no one likes having to retrain over and over so >>> quickly. >>> > > >> Per MSFT, .NET

Re: [NF} FoxPro and .NET better than Linux?

2007-06-06 Thread Derek Kalweit
> > Secondly, the term > > 'freeware' usually refers to something different than the gpl'd 'free > > software' that you're referring to(far simpler than GPL), particularly > > back in the late 80's as this was... > Yeah, and before the internet, you had to have disks mailed to you. > I rem

Re: [NF} FoxPro and .NET better than Linux?

2007-06-06 Thread Ed Leafe
On Jun 6, 2007, at 11:19 AM, Derek Kalweit wrote: >>> Selling freeware? > >> You can create a compilation disk of free software and >> sell it. >> What's so hard to understand? > > That's not selling freeware, that's charging for the service of > burning onto the media, distribution, etc

Re: [NF} FoxPro and .NET better than Linux?

2007-06-06 Thread Bill Anderson
Derek Kalweit wrote: >>> I believe that the fact that v2 was a big overhaul (that's what I heard, >>> anyway) was another deterrent from other developers wanting to jump onto >>> the DotNet bandwagon---no one likes having to retrain over and over so >>> quickly. >>> > > >> Per MSFT, .NET

Re: [NF} FoxPro and .NET better than Linux?

2007-06-06 Thread Bill Anderson
Ted Roche wrote: > On 6/6/07, Bill Anderson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >> Per MSFT, .NET 1.x series was revolutionary, so revolutionary that...it >> isn't supported anymore. >> > > DotNet 1.x isn't supported any more? What about those revolutionary > DotNet OnePointOh applications that

Re: [NF} FoxPro and .NET better than Linux?

2007-06-06 Thread Ted Roche
On 6/6/07, Bill Anderson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Per MSFT, .NET 1.x series was revolutionary, so revolutionary that...it > isn't supported anymore. DotNet 1.x isn't supported any more? What about those revolutionary DotNet OnePointOh applications that MS featured at the rollout, like the one

Re: [NF} FoxPro and .NET better than Linux?

2007-06-06 Thread Derek Kalweit
> > "...when he was selling freeware from home as a sideline while working > > at Unisys." > > > > Selling freeware? > Shareware (not freeware) perhaps? Or perhaps they meant freeware as in > "freedom of choice" instead of "free price" The GPL was in it's infancy in the late 80's when this was

Re: [NF} FoxPro and .NET better than Linux?

2007-06-06 Thread Derek Kalweit
> > I believe that the fact that v2 was a big overhaul (that's what I heard, > > anyway) was another deterrent from other developers wanting to jump onto > > the DotNet bandwagon---no one likes having to retrain over and over so > > quickly. > Per MSFT, .NET 1.x series was revolutionary, so revolu

Re: [NF} FoxPro and .NET better than Linux?

2007-06-06 Thread Derek Kalweit
> > "...when he was selling freeware from home as a sideline while working > > at Unisys." > > Selling freeware? > You can create a compilation disk of free software and sell it. > What's so hard to understand? That's not selling freeware, that's charging for the service of burning onto

Re: [NF} FoxPro and .NET better than Linux?

2007-06-06 Thread Bill Anderson
MB Software Solutions wrote: > > > I believe that the fact that v2 was a big overhaul (that's what I heard, > anyway) was another deterrent from other developers wanting to jump onto > the DotNet bandwagon---no one likes having to retrain over and over so > quickly. Per MSFT, .NET 1.x series was

Re: [NF} FoxPro and .NET better than Linux?

2007-06-06 Thread MB Software Solutions
Derek Kalweit wrote: > I just read the first few sentences, but read something that doesn't make > sense: > > "...when he was selling freeware from home as a sideline while working > at Unisys." > > Selling freeware? > Shareware (not freeware) perhaps? Or perhaps they meant freeware as in "fr

Re: [NF} FoxPro and .NET better than Linux?

2007-06-06 Thread Ed Leafe
On Jun 6, 2007, at 10:55 AM, Derek Kalweit wrote: > "...when he was selling freeware from home as a sideline while working > at Unisys." > > Selling freeware? You can create a compilation disk of free software and sell it. What's so hard to understand? -- Ed Leafe -- http://leafe.com -

Re: [NF} FoxPro and .NET better than Linux?

2007-06-06 Thread Derek Kalweit
> > Wasn't JAVA supposed to have been made open LONG ago? Wonder why it > > took so long for Sun to do it? > That's a really interesting story. It was the front-cover-article on > Linux Journal last month: > > http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/9624 I just read the first few sentences, but read

Re: [NF} FoxPro and .NET better than Linux?

2007-06-06 Thread Ted Roche
On 6/6/07, MB Software Solutions <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Wasn't JAVA supposed to have been made open LONG ago? Wonder why it > took so long for Sun to do it? That's a really interesting story. It was the front-cover-article on Linux Journal last month: http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/9

Re: [NF} FoxPro and .NET better than Linux?

2007-06-06 Thread MB Software Solutions
Leland F. Jackson, CPA wrote: > Microsoft developed C#, but instead of making it proprietary, Microsoft > released C# into the international community (eg Ecma), so everyone has > access to the C# language. This in effect opened up the C# language. > Changes and additions to the C# language mu

Re: [NF} FoxPro and .NET better than Linux?

2007-06-06 Thread Leland F. Jackson, CPA
Microsoft developed C#, but instead of making it proprietary, Microsoft released C# into the international community (eg Ecma), so everyone has access to the C# language. This in effect opened up the C# language. Changes and additions to the C# language must be submitted to Ecma for approval.

Re: [NF} FoxPro and .NET better than Linux?

2007-06-06 Thread MB Software Solutions
Alan Bourke wrote: > He's certainly right about the development environment. There is nothing > in the Linux world that I've seen that comes close to the integration > and power of Visual Studio and SQL Server. And even the free express > editions are very viable platforms to build a business on. >

Re: [NF} FoxPro and .NET better than Linux?

2007-06-06 Thread MB Software Solutions
Stephen the Cook wrote: > Who has time to get good at this when it improves way to quick. > > This is exactly what I mean! It drives new developers crazy with anxiety. "Ugh...what I learn now won't matter come next release--I'll have to relearn yet again (and that means the code may not be

Re: [NF} FoxPro and .NET better than Linux?

2007-06-06 Thread MB Software Solutions
Andy Davies wrote: > Stephen Russell [predictably ] said: > >> .NET is overwhelming in it's capabilities today and they are going to >> > roll out a more feature rich version later this year or early next. > > exactly what was said about .net v1, and v2 was a re-learning exercise. > There i

Re: [NF} FoxPro and .NET better than Linux?

2007-06-06 Thread MB Software Solutions
Leland F. Jackson, CPA wrote: > The interest and growth of OS agnostic languages > and applications, including JAVA, is probably why Micorsoft developed > C#, and then made C# open, so C# would become a language that is OS > agnostic. > I didn't think that C# was "open" source (or did you m

Re: [NF} FoxPro and .NET better than Linux?

2007-06-06 Thread Leland F. Jackson, CPA
Another impressive tool I've tried is Sun's Studio Creator 2. Applications written in Creator 2 are OS agnostic and Creator 2 is free. I evaluated it on Linux. Creator 2 even comes with its own web server. Below is a link. When the web page comes up, click on the product tour to get some i

Re: [NF} FoxPro and .NET better than Linux?

2007-06-06 Thread Ted Roche
On 6/6/07, Alan Bourke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > He's certainly right about the development environment. There is nothing > in the Linux world that I've seen that comes close to the integration > and power of Visual Studio and SQL Server. That hasn't been my experience. While there are a lot o

Re: [NF} FoxPro and .NET better than Linux?

2007-06-06 Thread Leland F. Jackson, CPA
I use Komodo and I'm happy with it. It makes it easy to organize a development project. Komodo is not the fastest IDE, but it very feature rich, and Komodo is stable as a rock. Komodo runs on all the major platforms including Windows, Linux, Mac, and Solaris. Komodo works with several OS a

Re: [NF} FoxPro and .NET better than Linux?

2007-06-06 Thread Ted Roche
On 6/6/07, Stephen the Cook <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > This year has Expression Blend adding yet another layer to using XAML within > .NET. /Who has time to get good at this when it improves way to quick. Assuming that it's possible to "get good" at DotNet at all. I'm not convinced that's been

Re: [NF} FoxPro and .NET better than Linux?

2007-06-06 Thread Ted Roche
On 6/5/07, Eugene Vital <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > He speaks as though anyone cares what he is saying. > Meeeooowww! I actually appreciate his columns when he's advocating for consumers against Big Companies. I think he's had some insightful things to say on the DMCA, patents and copyrights. B

Re: [NF} FoxPro and .NET better than Linux?

2007-06-06 Thread Andy Davies
> Alan said: > There is nothing in the Linux world that I've seen that comes close to the integration and power of Visual Studio and SQL Server. I used to hear good things about Kommodo but I 've never used it - anyone? Andrew Davies  MBCS CITP   - AndyD    8-)# **

Re: [NF} FoxPro and .NET better than Linux?

2007-06-06 Thread Alan Bourke
He's certainly right about the development environment. There is nothing in the Linux world that I've seen that comes close to the integration and power of Visual Studio and SQL Server. And even the free express editions are very viable platforms to build a business on. THen again, it depends on w

Re: [NF} FoxPro and .NET better than Linux?

2007-06-06 Thread Ed Leafe
On Jun 6, 2007, at 7:29 AM, Stephen the Cook wrote: > Who has time to get good at this when it improves way to quick. +1 New Microsoft Motto! -- Ed Leafe -- http://leafe.com -- http://dabodev.com ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subsc

RE: [NF} FoxPro and .NET better than Linux?

2007-06-06 Thread Stephen the Cook
Ted Roche <> wrote: > On 6/5/07, Stephen the Cook <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >>> From the school of Denial ;-> > > Mmmm... getting warmer! > >> .NET is overwhelming in it's capabilities today and they are going to >> roll out a more feature rich version later this year or early next. > > Yea

RE: [NF} FoxPro and .NET better than Linux?

2007-06-06 Thread Andy Davies
Stephen Russell [predictably ] said: > .NET is overwhelming in it's capabilities today and they are going to roll out a more feature rich version later this year or early next. exactly what was said about .net v1, and v2 was a re-learning exercise. There is no (ongoing) money in selling a stable p

Re: [NF} FoxPro and .NET better than Linux?

2007-06-05 Thread Leland F. Jackson, CPA
Foxpro and .NET are both application frameworks and Linux is an OS. It seem applications are moving towards becoming OS agnostic, which would make the OS less relevant than in the past. This allow the developer to write the application without worrying about the OS problem. An application w

Re: [NF} FoxPro and .NET better than Linux?

2007-06-05 Thread Eugene Vital
Ted Roche wrote: > Flame war to keep us warm today: > > >From Ed Foster's Gripeline: > > "One long-time reader -- by no means a Microsoft apologist -- recently > crystallized the issue this way in pondering Windows security > concerns. "My staff and I talk about this a lot, because we are > spendin

Re: [NF} FoxPro and .NET better than Linux?

2007-06-05 Thread Ted Roche
On 6/5/07, Stephen the Cook <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >From the school of Denial ;-> Mmmm... getting warmer! > .NET is overwhelming in it's capabilities today and they are going to roll > out a more feature rich version later this year or early next. Yeah, yeah! Just wait til next year! >

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