qmail install troubles

Hello, all. I have been trying to install qmail on a RedHat 6.2 box, but it doesn't quite work, and the documentation, FAQs and HOWTOs haven't cleared things up. I was using the qmail HOWTO to guide my installation. Everything went fine, no errors.

Re: X-Sender

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > Hi, > > Which qmail process write the X-Sender field in the headers? I would like > to remove it, or to rewrite it, because it uses the name of my > host/domain, which are not real. BTW, how can i rewrite any header of my > outgoing mail? > > David Gómez > > "The q

Re: Multiple QMAIL-SMTPD on same box?

Ahhh... light blinks on. If you're going to put the queues on multiple disks, then your assumption is very correct. How are you going to handle distributing the load to the queues? Round robin in the script that'll send the emails out? As for the multiple smtp sessions, here's a run f

RE: Multiple QMAIL-SMTPD on same box?

I just understand that qmail has a difficult time with so I/O when you have tons of email to send out (2million). Unfortunately, the emails are customized to each user. By having a separate qmail install on each disk, the idea is to spread the load around. Would you agree? I will look into bindin

RE: Qmail Scanner

hi Jason, Have you tested qmail-scanner with the Command Antivirus Linux scanner? I am trying it out at the moment...any tips? Thanks, Ross

Re: Multiple QMAIL-SMTPD on same box?

Howdy. I've done this before: it's cake, but I'm not sure why you would want to do mutliple queues. As for modifying tcpserver, why not just run multiple copies and bind them to different addresses? -sc On Tue, Mar 20, 2001 at 05:19:05PM -0800, Brandon Yu wrote: > Delivered-To: [EMAIL

Multiple QMAIL-SMTPD on same box?

I am setting up multiple Qmail installations on the same box. I am doing this because I am sending out a large number of emails that can't be sent out via a mailing list. By having multiple installs, I intend to lessen the I/O burden of just having 1 queue structure. My question is how to se

RE: Qmail Scanner

Hi Brett, I suppose I can answer most of your questions... The qmail-scanner tar file contains a few files with the prefix "sub-" these contain stuff you needI used the one "sub-iscan.pl" for the Trend micro scanner, but you have to choose the one that suits you and your AV scanner. Apend t

Re: multiple checkpassword routines

On Tue, Mar 20, 2001 at 12:36:13PM -0500, Peter Green wrote: [snip] > #!/bin/bash2 > > # check vmailmgr first; save the environment > # /tmp/scr just executes /usr/bin/id > ENVIRON = $(/usr/bin/checkvpw /tmp/scr Maildir/) > rc=$? > if [ $rc -ne 0 ]; then > # failed; try vpop

Re: "Request for Confirmation"-script for qmail ?

On Wed, Mar 21, 2001 at 12:40:00AM +0100, Peter van Dijk wrote: > > well, it may be something "like" ezmlm, but then a highly hacked version. > > If I send a mails to the "@php.net" address, the mail will then > > be put in "quarantaine" until I send the confirmation: I don't > > think ezmlm does

Re: "Request for Confirmation"-script for qmail ?

On Wed, Mar 21, 2001 at 12:37:40AM +0100, Olivier M. wrote: > On Wed, Mar 21, 2001 at 12:18:37AM +0100, Peter van Dijk wrote: > > > gni ? :) I'm not asking for a mailing list software! read my post :) > > > > I'm just telling you what php.net is using, and that message > > definitely came out of

Re: "Request for Confirmation"-script for qmail ?

On Wed, Mar 21, 2001 at 12:18:37AM +0100, Peter van Dijk wrote: > > gni ? :) I'm not asking for a mailing list software! read my post :) > > I'm just telling you what php.net is using, and that message > definitely came out of ezmlm. well, it may be something "like" ezmlm, but then a highly hack

Re: "Request for Confirmation"-script for qmail ?

On Wed, Mar 21, 2001 at 12:16:07AM +0100, Olivier M. wrote: > On Wed, Mar 21, 2001 at 12:03:52AM +0100, Peter van Dijk wrote: > > On Tue, Mar 20, 2001 at 11:55:36PM +0100, Olivier M. wrote: > > [snip] > > > The headers tells that qmail is used on the php.net server : is there > > > an open-source

Re: "Request for Confirmation"-script for qmail ?

On Wed, Mar 21, 2001 at 12:03:52AM +0100, Peter van Dijk wrote: > On Tue, Mar 20, 2001 at 11:55:36PM +0100, Olivier M. wrote: > [snip] > > The headers tells that qmail is used on the php.net server : is there > > an open-source script that does that somewhere ? Just looked on > > google and fresh

Re: "Request for Confirmation"-script for qmail ?

On Tue, Mar 20, 2001 at 11:55:36PM +0100, Olivier M. wrote: [snip] > The headers tells that qmail is used on the php.net server : is there > an open-source script that does that somewhere ? Just looked on > google and freshmeat without success. That's probably ezmlm, by the qmail author. Try htt

Re: Qmail Scanner

> "Jason" == Jason Haar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > You will need to reinstall Q-S. I specifically wrote Q-S so that it > only contains code specific to your system. You have added another > virus scanner, so you'll need to do another "./configure etc" to > rebuild the app with support fo

"Request for Confirmation"-script for qmail ?

Hello, When I send a mail to the @php.net addresses for the first time, I get this kind of mail: >Subject: Request for Confirmation [automatic reply] [5526ba3c03d2348cc94e2b8947e61905] >From: "PHP Group" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Date: 20 Mar 2001 22:45:23 - > >Hi, > >This is an automatic reply t

Re: qmail large usuage

On Tue, Mar 20, 2001 at 10:39:24PM +, Mark Delany wrote: [snip] > > My guess is that PeterM is sending unique emails, perhaps tailored TV > programs? My second guess is that PeterD is sending a single > untailored email to many recipients. You got me right. That is a relevant detail indeed

Re: Qmail Scanner

On Tue, Mar 20, 2001 at 06:53:10PM -, Ross Cooney wrote: > Hi List! > > We have been using the qmail-scanner patch for a few weeks and we are very > happy with it. Great to hear :-) > > Currently our system only uses one AV scanner the sophos product, and I want > to use a second AV scanne

Re: qmail large usuage

On Tue, Mar 20, 2001 at 11:31:37PM +0100, Peter van Dijk wrote: > On Wed, Mar 21, 2001 at 08:32:29AM +1100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > Hi, we do a mailout of about 40,000 - 50,000 emails per day to our > > clients and there clients (not spam). I have been trying to get qmail to > > work on getti

Re: qmail large usuage

On Wed, Mar 21, 2001 at 08:32:29AM +1100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Hi, we do a mailout of about 40,000 - 50,000 emails per day to our > clients and there clients (not spam). I have been trying to get qmail to > work on getting up and over the 250 limitation of simulataneous > connections. > > W

looking for tms v0.22

Does anyone have a local and recent copy of tms (tagged message sender) written by Thomas Erskine? The link referenced on www.qmail.org (http://silverlock.dgim.crc.ca/~terskine/qmail/tms.html) is no longer working, and I've lost my copy. I've also been unable to reach Thomas at <[EMAIL PROTECTED

Re: setting QMAILMFTFILE

Brett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I've got qmail set up and it's working okay for single messages sent locally > with qmail-inject from a perl script. I need to set it up for a mailing list > application but one in which only portions of the mailing list can be > selected to receive mail based

setting QMAILMFTFILE

Forgive me and my novice-ness but I have a fairly simple problem... I've got qmail set up and it's working okay for single messages sent locally with qmail-inject from a perl script. I need to set it up for a mailing list application but one in which only portions of the mailing list can be selec

Re: qmail large usuage

[EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi, we do a mailout of about 40,000 - 50,000 emails per day to our > clients and there clients (not spam). I have been trying to get qmail to > work on getting up and over the 250 limitation of simulataneous > connections. See www.qmail.org -- there'

qmail large usuage

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Re: vsm-style Maildir?

On Tue, Mar 20, 2001 at 09:04:55PM +0100, Peter van Dijk wrote: [snip] > I use safecat and a small tool that calculates hashed /var/spool/mail > names for this. > > This should work for you: (untested!): > > env - PATH="/var/qmail/bin:$PATH" \ > qmail-start '|maildir /var/spool/mail/$USER/' splo

Re: vsm-style Maildir?

On Tue, Mar 20, 2001 at 11:32:18AM -0600, Drew Raines wrote: > This seems like it would be a common question, but I haven't found a > clear answer. I would like to merge the stability and speed of > Maildirs with the administrative convenience of VSM (nice, clean, > all-in-one directory tree). I

Re: Trouble with qmail on Redhat 6.2

"Iain Morrison" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >The run file for qmail-smtpd is: > >#!/bin/sh >QMAILDUID='is -u qmaild' >NOFILESGID='id -g qmaild' >MAXSMTPD='cat /var/qmail/control/concurrencyincoming' Should be back quotes (`) not single quotes ('). -Dave

Re: Autoresponder help!!

To put it in the words of a very happy person. WOO HOOO!! You were partially right. What I had to do was keep: | /usr/local/bin/autorespond 1 5 |/home/vpopmail/domains/marketingtips.com/nick-vacation-message |/home/vpopmail/domains/marketingtips.com/nick.papageorge/ as one entire lin

RE: Qmail Scanner

Ross, I dont write in perl, but in PHP and others, i believe you should be using... @scanner_array=("sweep_scanner", "iscan_scanner"); Here's a link for a perl syntax tutorial. http://www.comp.leeds.ac.uk/Perl/ And i find your answer here... http://www.comp.leeds.ac.uk/Perl/arrays.html Best

Re: Autoresponder help!!

Nick Papageorge <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Well, I'm having massive problems actually getting it working. > > I've tried creating a .qmail-nick:papageorge file and placing the > following line: > > | /usr/local/bin/autorespond 1 5 >/home/vpopmail/domains/marketingtips.com/nick-vacation

Autoresponder help!!

Hi all, I'm dealing with a bit of an issue here. Forgive me if I don't use the proper verbiage, I'm just starting out. We have qmail installed, I gather that the set-up is pretty standard. We have specific domains and within those folders, there are sub-folders for each user's email address.

Re: /var/qmail/users/cdb

Brad Dameron <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > What is the command to make this file out of the assign file? It's clearly mentioned in the documentation -- try reading the man page for qmail-users; it will direct you to the appropriate manual page for the command itself. Charles --

/var/qmail/users/cdb

What is the command to make this file out of the assign file? --- Brad Dameron[EMAIL PROTECTED] Network Account Executive 877-663-4349 TSCNet Online Services www.tscnet.com

RE: Qmail Scanner

This still depends on how the @scanner_array is used to determine the name of the scanner. If all it is looking for is a list of names of scanners, then you are correct Charles. The single & is used as a bitwise operator - probably not what Ross wants! .mark >-- >From: Charles Cazabon[S

Re: /usr/bin/sendmail -t

Alex Le Fevre <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > OK, that's cool...but now I have (presumably) one last question. I've got my > script printing From: $usermail to /usr/bin/sendmail, and it's working well > enough both to trap the address the user enters and put it into the From: > field. My question is,

Re: Qmail Scanner

Ross Cooney <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > The "qmail-scanner-queue.pl" file has a the following line: > @scanner_array=("sweep_scanner"); > This is where it calls another function which actually calls the scanner. > > Does anybody know how to edit this so that two scanners are used? > > Is it:

Re: /usr/bin/sendmail -t

OK, that's cool...but now I have (presumably) one last question. I've got my script printing From: $usermail to /usr/bin/sendmail, and it's working well enough both to trap the address the user enters and put it into the From: field. My question is, what field to I need to put $usermail into so th

Qmail Scanner

Hi List! We have been using the qmail-scanner patch for a few weeks and we are very happy with it. Currently our system only uses one AV scanner the sophos product, and I want to use a second AV scanner in parrallel. The second scanner I want to use is the Trend Micro scanner. The "qmail-scanne

Re: /usr/bin/sendmail -t

* Alex Le Fevre <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [010320 19:03]: > > EOF -- close the fd. > If I'm actually typing my info in -- after calling > /usr/bin/sendmail -t from a command line -- is that > Ctrl-z? No. Ctrl-z just stops the program. Ctrl-d is what you want. -Johan -- Johan Almqvist http://www.alm

Re: /usr/bin/sendmail -t

On Tue, Mar 20, 2001 at 10:03:13AM -0800, Alex Le Fevre wrote: > > EOF -- close the fd. > > If I'm actually typing my info in -- after calling > /usr/bin/sendmail -t from a command line -- is that > Ctrl-z? Ctrl-d > > Alex > > > __ > Do You Ya

Re: /usr/bin/sendmail -t

> EOF -- close the fd. If I'm actually typing my info in -- after calling /usr/bin/sendmail -t from a command line -- is that Ctrl-z? Alex __ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/

Re: multiple checkpassword routines

* Jörgen Persson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [010320 09:27]: > On Tue, Mar 20, 2001 at 06:26:35AM -0500, Peter Green wrote: > [snip] > > Sure, but the mycheckpasswd part is hanging me up. Specifically, writing to > > the numbered FDs is hanging me up, and I didn't have a lot of time to figure > > this out

vsm-style Maildir?

This seems like it would be a common question, but I haven't found a clear answer. I would like to merge the stability and speed of Maildirs with the administrative convenience of VSM (nice, clean, all-in-one directory tree). I've tried starting qmail's rc with something like env - PATH="/va

Re: /usr/bin/sendmail -t

Alex Le Fevre <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I'm currently putting together a small Perl script that sends an e-mail with > a user-entered value as the from: value. I want to test my syntax by using my > sendmail wrapper with the -t flag, but I don't know how to tell it I'm done > with a message. Wh

/usr/bin/sendmail -t

I'm currently putting together a small Perl script that sends an e-mail with a user-entered value as the from: value. I want to test my syntax by using my sendmail wrapper with the -t flag, but I don't know how to tell it I'm done with a message. What command do I issue to tell the mailwrapper I'm

Re: qmail-rspawn not starting under svscan

Golden_Eternity writes: > Now, I can get qmail to accept mail from other systems when I start it under > svscan, but qmail-rspawn doesn't start. Is it only qmail-rspawn that doesn't start? What about other qmail daemons, that is, qmail-send, qmail-clean, and qmail-lspawn? None of them can be foun

Re: Alias not forwading to .qmail-foo-default

Todd A. Jacobs writes: > > Try .qmail-15dmziMUy-default instead. > > It doesn't work, regardless of whether I put it in ~alias or $HOME. I > still get "no mailbox." Try ~alias/.qmail-15dmzimuy-default (all in lowercase letters). > It works fine if I forward to a real user. The point is that I w

controlling alias access

hi all- i'm using fastforward in /var/qmail/aliases/.qmail-default like so: | /var/qmail/bin/fastforward -d /etc/aliases.cdb i'd like to control access to certain email aliases; i.e. only certaing users should be able to send emails to certain site-wide aliases. simple 'from' checking is prob

Re: Delivering to pipe - I need "Return-Path:"

Roger Walker wrote > We need to set up something special for a domain and to do so, we > need to capture all of the headers, including the "Return-Path:". If we > pipe the messages to a script in the ".qmail-default", qmail-local strips > off that and other headers we may need. Is there any way

Re: Delivering to pipe - I need "Return-Path:"

On Tue, 20 Mar 2001, Kirill Miazine wrote: > A similar thing has been discussed today, I just joined the list, so I missed it. > read 'man preline' and/or use something like > > |preline -f /your/command > > in your .qmail-default Yes, I had just thought to check that after see

Re: Delivering to pipe - I need "Return-Path:"

Roger Walker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > We need to set up something special for a domain and to do so, we > need to capture all of the headers, including the "Return-Path:". If we > pipe the messages to a script in the ".qmail-default", qmail-local strips > off that and other headers we may need

Re: Delivering to pipe - I need "Return-Path:"

A similar thing has been discussed today, read 'man preline' and/or use something like |preline -f /your/command in your .qmail-default On Tue, Mar 20, 2001 at 09:13:42AM -0700, Roger Walker wrote: > We need to set up something special for a domain and to do so, we > need to capture all

Delivering to pipe - I need "Return-Path:"

We need to set up something special for a domain and to do so, we need to capture all of the headers, including the "Return-Path:". If we pipe the messages to a script in the ".qmail-default", qmail-local strips off that and other headers we may need. Is there any way to over-ride this beh

Re: Qmail newbie question

Well have you tried to start tcpserver anyway? On Mon, 19 Mar 2001, Johnson, Garrett wrote: > Please forgive my ignorance. I'm trying to learn. > > I have set up a secondary Qmail server on RedHat 7.0 and it > seems to have come up without a problem, but I'm having a > hair-pulling time tryin

Re: multiple checkpassword routines

On Tue, Mar 20, 2001 at 03:27:07PM +0100, Jörgen Persson wrote: [snip] > # checkpassword echo $? 3< /tmp/dummypwd > 0 [snip] I realized $? is misleading since it's the previous error code. Change it to ''pwd'' or whatever: # checkpassword pwd 3< /tmp/dummypwd /home/dummy # echo $? 0 # checkpass

Re: Trouble with qmail on Redhat 6.2

On Tue, Mar 20, 2001 at 11:48:55AM -, Iain Morrison wrote: > The problem is that I am unable to connect to the SMTP server even via the > loopback address. When I telnet to port 25 I get connected but get a dead > prompt. [snip] > The run file for qmail-smtpd is: ...riddled with typos...

qmail-smtp status 256?

Hi, I am running qmail on RH6.2 with daemontools,ucspi-tcp, vpopmail,... 2001-03-20 10:28:25.327350500 tcpserver: status: 1/20 2001-03-20 10:28:25.327505500 tcpserver: pid 12754 from 145.228.95.229 2001-03-20 10:28:25.328352500 tcpserver: ok 12754 lycmail1-1.lycos.de:62.52.69.35:25 :145.228.95.2

Re: multiple checkpassword routines

On Tue, Mar 20, 2001 at 06:26:35AM -0500, Peter Green wrote: [snip] > Sure, but the mycheckpasswd part is hanging me up. Specifically, writing to > the numbered FDs is hanging me up, and I didn't have a lot of time to figure > this out, so I was hoping something already existed. > > If anyone cou

Re: virtual domains

On Tue, Mar 20, 2001 at 08:42:47AM -0500, Peter Green wrote: > > > > qmail doesn't add the Return-Path and Delivered-To lines when delivering > > to programs: > > Gotcha. > > > vpopmail adds Return-Path and Delivered-To itself: > > > > from vdelivermail.c: > > [...] > > sprintf(msgb

Re: virtual + real users in same domain

Todd A. Jacobs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I know a few people have asked this question (including me) and gotten the > answer that, yes, it can be done. However, neither LWQ nor qmail.org > really have any how-to's that cover this particular type of setup--in > particular, a useful discussion of

Re: how can i send mails serially

[EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I do have a file comcurrencyremote in /var/qmail/control and it has a value > 120. > > And still i am facing problem bcoz qmail try to send mails simultaneuosly > with destination server and establish multiple smtp connection with > destination s

Re: virtual domains

* Kirill Miazine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [010320 08:36]: > On Tue, Mar 20, 2001 at 08:25:38AM -0500, Peter Green wrote: > > I'm not sure what you mean. If ``example.com'' is in virtualdomains as, say: > > > > example.com:exampleuser > > > > Then the Delivered-To: line of: > > > > [EMAIL PROTECT

Re: virtual domains

On Tue, Mar 20, 2001 at 08:25:38AM -0500, Peter Green wrote: > * Kirill Miazine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [010320 08:21]: > > On Tue, Mar 20, 2001 at 08:11:40AM -0500, Peter Green wrote: > > > * Frank Tegtmeyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [010320 08:08]: > > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] Is it possible to configure t

Re: virtual domains

* Frank Tegtmeyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [010320 08:08]: > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] Is it possible to configure that all mail > > to [EMAIL PROTECTED] whill be with line [EMAIL PROTECTED] in the > > Delivered to line not with [EMAIL PROTECTED] ? > > Not that I like this behaviour: the vpopmail package do

Re: virtual domains

> [EMAIL PROTECTED] Is it possible to configure that all mail > to [EMAIL PROTECTED] whill be with line [EMAIL PROTECTED] in the > Delivered to line not with [EMAIL PROTECTED] ? Not that I like this behaviour: the vpopmail package does that. But it's better to leave it untouched. Like Chris wrote

Re: virtual domains

On Tue, Mar 20, 2001 at 03:22:11PM +0300, ediknovl wrote: > I've installed virtual domains on qmail, so that all incoming mail for > domain example.com is getting in mailbox mailb. But qmail adds a > mailbox name in to Delivered to line that is not should be there, for example: > mail to [EMAIL PR

virtual domains

Hello All, I've installed virtual domains on qmail, so that all incoming mail for domain example.com is getting in mailbox mailb. But qmail adds a mailbox name in to Delivered to line that is not should be there, for example: mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] whill be delivered whith line [EMAIL PROTECTE

Re: Trouble with qmail on Redhat 6.2

hi, > > After qmail has supposedly started up I have the following processes > running: > > PID TTY STAT TIME COMMAND > 415 ?S 0:00 svscan > 416 ?S 0:00 supervise qmail-send > 417 ?S 0:00 supervise qmail-smtpd > 418 ?S 0:00 /usr/

Trouble with qmail on Redhat 6.2

I am in the process of setting up qmail on a Redhat 6.2 Box 2.2.14-5.0 kernel. The problem is that I am unable to connect to the SMTP server even via the loopback address. When I telnet to port 25 I get connected but get a dead prompt. I am able to inject mail for qmail to process and this wo

Re: multiple checkpassword routines

* Jörgen Persson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [010320 04:24]: > On Mon, Mar 19, 2001 at 04:08:41PM -0500, Peter Green wrote: > > I have some domains in vpopmail and some in vmailmgr, both of which need to > > do POP. Before I go requesting another IP address, is there a checkpassword > > dropin that actual

qmail Digest 20 Mar 2001 11:00:01 -0000 Issue 1309

qmail Digest 20 Mar 2001 11:00:01 - Issue 1309 Topics (messages 59275 through 59343): a tool/script to print the biggest mail servers in queue 59275 by: Simon K. Grabowski Need testing. 59276 by: Kirill Miazine qmail-rspawn not starting under svscan 59277 by: Golde

Re: Message queue growing and not sending.

On Mon, Mar 19, 2001 at 08:52:58PM -0800, Greg White wrote: [snip] > Never seen qmail do it to itself, tho. A simple .qmail containing |qmail-inject localusername will create an endless loop easily. Greetz, Peter.

Re: newbie: migrating from sendmail to qmail

> Problem is, that i am using sendmail on my server where is more then = > 1500 active users For the sending side simply use the instructions of the INSTALL* documents in the Qmail tarball. Because the instructions are rather old now you should be aware that there are some better setup options:

Re: newbie: migrating from sendmail to qmail

On Tue, Mar 20, 2001 at 10:52:24AM +0100, - = k o l i s k o = - wrote: > Hi all! > > I red that qmail is better than sendmail.=20 > > This is the reason why migrate to qmail. > Problem is, that i am using sendmail on my server where is more then = > 1500 active users > and I would like easy migr

newbie: migrating from sendmail to qmail

Hi all! I red that qmail is better than sendmail.=20 This is the reason why migrate to qmail. Problem is, that i am using sendmail on my server where is more then = 1500 active users and I would like easy migrate to qmail .. without any problem. So I am = looking=20 for best introduction (docume

Re: multiple checkpassword routines

On Mon, Mar 19, 2001 at 04:08:41PM -0500, Peter Green wrote: > I have some domains in vpopmail and some in vmailmgr, both of which need to > do POP. Before I go requesting another IP address, is there a checkpassword > dropin that actually executes an arbitrary number of other checkpassword > drop