mlsstl wrote:
> While that's possible, keep in mind that millions of people have email
> service supplied free by Google, Yahoo, MSN and the like. These people
> are completely dependent on the willingness of the carrier involved to
> keep the lights on. The same thing is true of most of the othe
mlsstl wrote:
> While that's possible, keep in mind that millions of people have email
> service supplied free by Google, Yahoo, MSN and the like. These people
> are completely dependent on the willingness of the carrier involved to
> keep the lights on. The same thing is true of most of the othe
Mnyb wrote:
> *Planned obsolescence on a new level , they can kill your product
> remotely be closing the service . Ye olde squeezebox works locally until
> the hardware fails . this product dies when Logitech says so .
While that's possible, keep in mind that millions of people have email
servi
I was making a point, plus asking a question:
Point: LMS may run now, but a service pack etc from Microsoft or a new
NAS update 'could' cause problems with LMS.
Secondly, I was asking if the process that you have to go though when
first setting up your Touch (connecting to mysb.com) could be re
I think that this community is too big and strong to die, too many sb
devices are in a lot of countries and too many people would be
disappointed for this endsb will never die:-)
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Windows compatibility ? who knows .
Most things are possible , a positive example is the abandonware MusicIP
software some of us uses it has been dead for more than >5 years it
works on my latest and greatest Win7 & new PC hardware machine .
It can overtime be more byzantine to navigate trough
autopilot wrote:
> A service pack or update for your PC or NAS could break LMS though,
> right?
>
> I believe this has happened before, so we should be careful about and
> changes, updates and software we install on the machine running LMS.
> Just because it runs now does not mean it will always
nervoteso wrote:
> Isn't enough you keep in your download folder the lms file installer? If
> something happens to your pc you can install lms againandthis will be
> forever:-) ..
Assuming you never update your computer to an OS that LMS was never
developed for, yes.
Assuming an update to O
nervoteso wrote:
> Isn't enough you keep in your download folder the lms file installer? If
> something happens to your pc you can install lms againandthis will be
> forever:-) or you mean that mysqueezebox is necessary for beginning set
> up?
I was able to install my server and my players witho
Mnyb wrote:
> Yes .
>
> The biggest problems with this approach is not actually the internet
> access , mine has not had any downtime in years .
>
> main problems as I see it.
>
> *Privacy ,all your musical habits is exposed to the uesr.com server , no
> statement exactly how(if) this data is
Mnyb wrote:
>
> *Privacy ,all your musical habits is exposed to the uesr.com server , no
> statement exactly how(if) this data is harvested or used .
>
They have a privacy policy, it's as clear as the ones I've seen from
other companies, so the statement what they collect and what they use it
f
autopilot wrote:
> A service pack or update for your PC or NAS could break LMS though,
> right?
>
> I believe this has happened before, so we should be careful about and
> changes, updates and software we install on the machine running LMS.
> Just because it runs now does not mean it will always
erland wrote:
> All Squeezeboxes will continue to work for local music as long as you
> have a SBS/LMS installed on a computer/NAS.
>
> Online music will continue to work as long as Logitech keeps
> mysqueezebox.com running and at the moment it sounds like they don't
> have any immediate plans t
A service pack or update for your PC or NAS could break LMS though,
right?
I believe this has happened before, so we should be careful about and
changes, updates and software we install on the machine running LMS.
Just because it runs now does not mean it will always run. When LMS
developmeny com
andifor wrote:
> Hm, does this mean, I can't listen to my _local_ music without a running
> internet connection?).
Yes .
The biggest problems with this approach is not actually the internet
access , mine has not had any downtime in years .
main problems as I see it.
*Privacy ,all your musical
mherger wrote:
> > BBCiPlayer will work with the new LMS version using existing hardware
> > players. I'm not convinced it will work yet with the new smart radio
> > though - doesn't look set up for server based plugins to stream audio
> to
> > it unfortunately. However only been looking for a
erland wrote:
> All Squeezeboxes will continue to work for local music as long as you
> have a SBS/LMS installed on a computer/NAS.
>
> Online music will continue to work as long as Logitech keeps
> mysqueezebox.com running and at the moment it sounds like they don't
> have any immediate plans t
nervoteso wrote:
> actually why should sb devices stop working if i don't disinstall
> LMS they should keep working and i could listen to my local music
> stored in nas. it shouldn't depend on internet support! shouldn't it? so
> does the problem exist only for mysqueezebox services??? doesn'
Letten wrote:
> I hope You have a plan Erland :-)
>
> Scenario: Logitech runs LMS/mysqueezebox.com for a couple of years, then
> makes LMS open source and helps move everything onto Amazon Cloud.
> Logitech could even give www.mysqueezebox.com to the community as they
> won't be using the name a
majones wrote:
> Yes, I think there is an excellent hope of doing this! The hardware is
> well-made and should last. The LMS software is well-developed and is run
> on local hardware so does not rely on Logitech to function. The only
> question in my mind relates to mysqueezebox.com, that actuall
505 wrote:
> Buy a Touch. It's probably the best device you'll own, and the perfect
> solution for playing music. Logitech's decision to not produce them
> anymore doesn't change anything about that.
I just ordered two more.
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nervoteso wrote:
> i only ask to use my sb devices for long long time. any hope to do this?
Yes, I think there is an excellent hope of doing this! The hardware is
well-made and should last. The LMS software is well-developed and is run
on local hardware so does not rely on Logitech to function. T
bad news bad news...i've lms installed on qnap, how long could i keep
listening to my local music and radio internet and services??? i don't
need upgrades of other stuff i only ask to use my sb devices for long
long time. any hope to do this?
i need random music and other things new radio doesn't
Grumpy Bob wrote:
> Damiano - I use a QNAP TS-239 NAS to run LMS - the easiest way to
> install is via the qpkg downloadable via this QNAP forum thread:
> http://forum.qnap.com/viewtopic.php?f=123&t=35740
> It's a combined package of LMS 7.7.2 and SSODS (which is needed for LMS
> to run).
> I hav
pallfreeman wrote:
> This is madness.
Yes. This is madness. This is Logitech.
I used to dislike them. I am heading towards despising them.
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damiano_free wrote:
> I had only asked if to listen in my wifi local music from nas server
> HAVE to buy a SB Radio or I should think of taking the new EU model
To listen to local music, you need to run a server on your QNAP device
(Logitech Media Server for the SB Radio and UE Media Library for
damiano_free wrote:
> Thanks
>
> Now I'm trying to use LMS 7.7.2 (ARM based x10/x12/x19 series) without a
> SB radio, only with SqueezePlay from my notebook windows7, just to see
> how it works...
> I'm not very experienced ... to understand the "problem" with the new EU
> radio
> I had only ask
majones wrote:
> There is no formal support mechanism between Logitech and QNAP, but the
> QNAP community does routinely generate QPKGs that allow LMS to run on
> QNAP. Have a look at the QPKG section of the QNAP forum to see whether
> anyone's interested in supporting the UE Music Library (= ser
dasmueller wrote:
> This has certainly been an interesting week on the forums. I am
> certainly not as tech savvy as many of you here are, but these are my
> thoughts.
>
> 1. There have been many posts about people having issues w the way the
> SB?LMS system works for them. If many of the option
firedog wrote:
> I wanted one anyway, and was afraid they'd become impossible to get
> soon. The fact that it is a dead end product means either it will get
> very cheap eventually or the opposite (very expensive) - if existing
> stocks are low and there is demand.
>
> One question: if Logitec
pz1 wrote:
> You apparantly are a wealthy person, which explains your opinion.
This comment is totally uncalled for. Erland's wealth (or lack thereof)
is irrelevant to this thread -- let's keep it that way please.
ajkidl
Grumpy Bob wrote:
> I, too, will keep on with my Squeezeboxes and LMS until that's no longer
> practical. But I haven't seen panic or people planning to leave these
> forums. Let's face it, the news wasn't exactly unexpected. Mostly I see
> people planning for a future without msb.com and without
Muele wrote:
>
>
> The people panicking and writing that they will leaves these forums as
> of now. I have zero respect for that.
>
>
I, too, will keep on with my Squeezeboxes and LMS until that's no longer
practical. But I haven't seen panic or people planning to leave these
forums. Let's f
There are so many that voice their opinions here. So I will too :)
I understand that that Logitech needs to move on they have killed off
the SB brand by neglecting it. And to some extent also that in the
process they need to cut off the IP3K devices as they are too low-power
to handle a lot of th
I wanted one anyway, and was afraid they'd become impossible to get
soon. The fact that it is a dead end product means either it will get
very cheap eventually or the opposite (very expensive) - if existing
stocks are low and there is demand.
One question: if Logitech ends MySB in a few years,
erland wrote:
> 10 years is a very long time, my Squeezebox Classic is now 6.5 years and
> still working excellently and there is no indication that Logitech plans
> to break it anytime soon.
> The Squeezebox Classic is older than most other music related equipment
> I have in my home, I think it
damiano_free wrote:
> I have a qnap nas ... exists the possibility to download the server
> software for my QNAP nas?
There is no formal support mechanism between Logitech and QNAP, but the
QNAP community does routinely generate QPKGs that allow LMS to run on
QNAP. Have a look at the QPKG section
pz1 wrote:
>
> But in a decent society one might expect that such devices will be
> functional for a period of 5-10 years.
>
10 years is a very long time, my Squeezebox Classic is now 6.5 years and
still working excellently and there is no indication that Logitech plans
to break it anytime soo
dasmueller wrote:
>
> 5. Decisions like the ones Logitech has made made and will make are
> based on an individuals perception of what will sell. They are not made
> solely to maintain the contentedness of past customers. I do not recall
> anyone contacting me to assist me w or consult me about
Erland, thanks for the reply.
I am a QNAP user and after reading that UE will run on Linux I hope that
QNAP will produce a QPKG for the new UE server environment. For me the
combination of QNAP and SB is my best gadget. However, even if they do
this I am not sure whether the music stream will re
didjean wrote:
> Regarding the server, UE will only support Windows or Mac.
>
Officially this is true, but unofficially UE can run on Linux also, it's
just that Logitech support staff won't help you troubleshoot on Linux.
The uesmartradio.com web site only contains downloads for Windows and
OSX
didjean wrote:
> Regarding the server, UE will only support Windows or Mac. I doubt there
> will be any version for QNAP.
I think this is marketing not knowing that the majority of LMS installs
is/was linux if you counted in the NAS installs ? and that it is coded
in perl a native linux script l
damiano_free wrote:
> ...someone can help me to clarify?
> Thanks
Regarding the server, UE will only support Windows or Mac. I doubt there
will be any version for QNAP.
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damiano_free wrote:
> I have a qnap nas and wanted to buy a squeezebox radio to listen my
> local music in wifi, perhaps in the garden with the battery.
> With this new UE radio will be possible? exists the possibility to
> download the server software for my QNAP nas? or should I look for a
> sq
damiano_free wrote:
> I have a qnap nas and wanted to buy a squeezebox radio to listen my
> local music in wifi, perhaps in the garden with the battery.
> With this new UE radio will be possible? exists the possibility to
> download the server software for my QNAP nas? or should I look for a
> sq
I just ordereed 2 spare Radios (great deal of € 129 each including
battery). I also want to get 2 spare Touches, but I'll wait to see if
the prices will come down. If Logitech actually stops making them,
chances are the last ones will get dumped.
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dasmueller wrote:
>
> 5. Decisions like the ones Logitech has made made and will make are
> based on an individuals perception of what will sell. They are not made
> solely to maintain the contentedness of past customers. I do not recall
> anyone contacting me to assist me w or consult me about
Drongo wrote:
> After reading this very sad news I actually went out and got another
> SBradio. Can anyone confirm that when I power it up and it tries to
> update the firmware, I will still get the latest SB firmware and not the
> UE firmware?
>
Confirmed, a Squeezebox Radio will remain a Squee
My iPad still functions without the Internet.
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This has certainly been an interesting week on the forums. I am
certainly not as tech savvy as many of you here are, but these are my
thoughts.
1. There have been many posts about people having issues w the way the
SB?LMS system works for them. If many of the options previously
available are not
After reading this very sad news I actually went out and got another
SBradio. Can anyone confirm that when I power it up and it tries to
update the firmware, I will still get the latest SB firmware and not the
UE firmware?
Drongo
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squishy wrote:
> OK, I think I've just about digested all this uproar. I guess my take is
> this.
>
> Dumbing down the complexity in order to achieve a simpler
> user-experience, more reliable functionality (eg alarm that works
> without fail) and appeal to the wider mass market - I can appr
OK, I think I've just about digested all this uproar. I guess my take is
this.
Dumbing down the complexity in order to achieve a simpler
user-experience, more reliable functionality (eg alarm that works
without fail) and appeal to the wider mass market - I can appreciate
that logic.
But doin
maggior wrote:
> What is the rational for the player needing to communicate with
> Logitech's server to play local music? Software (a server) has to be
> installed locally to play local music. It seems overly complicated and
> unnecessary for the radio to have to communicate with Logitech's ser
mherger wrote:
> > This has me really concerned that I'm going to accidentally neuter my
> > Radios. Is this firmware going to be pushed down via LMS? Or would
> I
> > have to intentionally seek out this "upgrade"???
>
> No. We will make sure there's a big red warning sign before you apply
> i
I have a qnap nas and wanted to buy a squeezebox radio to listen my
local music in wifi, perhaps in the garden with the battery.
With this new UE radio will be possible? exists the possibility to
download the server software for my QNAP nas? or should I look for a
squeezebox radio on the market ye
Wow! Why would Logitech Mgmt want to kill off such a unique,
competitive and popular product?
What boneheads. Do ya just want to give up the market to Sonos? The
move surpasses understanding.
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So, they do what they should do with LMS, and turn it back into a music
server. But then they stop supporting the mainstream music hardware.
This is madness.
Thanks for posting those screenshots, dude.
I wish I'd bought whisky instead of unoaked chardonnay tonight.
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JimC wrote:
> I had typed a really long response, but then I figured there's really no
> reason. You've summed it up perfectly, including the kudos for Michael
> (and anyone else who is still there and trying build something great.)
>
> It is simply a sad day.
>
>
> -=> Jim
Completley agree w
Mnyb wrote:
> Thats an improvement , but can you still specify more than one folder ?
Yes
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pallfreeman wrote:
> Interesting that there's no count of images or videos displayed. Does
> this mean that all the half-broken stuff for scanning/serving non-music
> has gone bye-byes?
>
> A cunningly-disguised improvement, rather than the feared shipwreck?
Thats an improvement , but can you s
maggior wrote:
> What is the rational for the player needing to communicate with
> Logitech's server to play local music? Software (a server) has to be
> installed locally to play local music. It seems overly complicated and
> unnecessary for the radio to have to communicate with Logitech's ser
kidstypike wrote:
> Print screen of UE Music Library scanner details below, automatically
> found my small iTunes library, "use iTunes" was checked by default.
Interesting that there's no count of images or videos displayed. Does
this mean that all the half-broken stuff for scanning/serving non-
Mnyb wrote:
> They managed to dumb it down , wonder if it actually also gets simpler
> ;) the goldmine is an advanced product that is simple to use ( for
> example my my desktop PC ,I'm happy to use 0,1% of it's potential , the
> rest is not in the way ).
> Not a product that is plain simple with
If they want to make it more simple to use they should have added a USB
slot for direct playback of files stored on a usb media and upnp support
for playback of media in the home network, not another propietary
software that has to be installed.
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What is the rational for the player needing to communicate with
Logitech's server to play local music? Software (a server) has to be
installed locally to play local music. It seems overly complicated and
unnecessary for the radio to have to communicate with Logitech's server
to play local music.
ajkidle wrote:
> This has me really concerned that I'm going to accidentally neuter my
> Radios. Is this firmware going to be pushed down via LMS? Or would I
> have to intentionally seek out this "upgrade"???
>
> And I too would love to see a feature comparison between the SB and UE
> line. I
Kuben72 wrote:
> If you watch the commercial for the new Radio it says it can play local
> music. How is that going to happen?
Go back a page or two, it's well covered.
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This has me really concerned that I'm going to accidentally neuter my
Radios. Is this firmware going to be pushed down via LMS? Or would I
have to intentionally seek out this "upgrade"???
No. We will make sure there's a big red warning sign before you apply it.
And double check you really wa
If you watch the commercial for the new Radio it says it can play local
music. How is that going to happen?
Check this thread for UE Music Library (UEML)
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If you watch the commercial for the new Radio it says it can play local
music. How is that going to happen?
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ajkidle wrote:
> I'm really failing to see what is gained via the UE architecture -- from
> either Logitech's perspective or from the "average" user's. It does of
> course alienate the install base, which is an impressive feat in and of
> itself. Hey, let's abandon backward compatibility just f
mherger wrote:
> > I presume it is this one?
> > http://update.slimdevices.com/update/firmware/10.0.0/
>
> Yes. There's no way back. You've been warned.
>
> --
>
> Michael
This has me really concerned that I'm going to accidentally neuter my
Radios. Is this firmware going to be pushed down
What is the UE communication protocol between UE server and UE Radio?
Is it UPNP/DLNA, the SB protocol or a new one?
Is it possible to connect other devices than the UE Radio to the UE
server?
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I presume it is this one?
http://update.slimdevices.com/update/firmware/10.0.0/
Yes. There's no way back. You've been warned.
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mherger wrote:
> > Where can I get hold of a firmware *.bin?
>
> http://update.slimdevices.com/update/firmware/ - not there yet, but that
>
> is where they're supposed to be
>
> --
>
> Michael
I presume it is this one?
http://update.slimdevices.com/update/firmware/10.0.0/
alfista wrote:
> Considering how people flock towards all kinds of services without any
> concern of privacy, I seriously doubt this will make the slightest dent
> in Logitech sales.
You're probably right about that... unfortunately. Things may change
once many people had to learn it the hard way
Michael or others, is there a chance that we can get a side-by-side
comparison of the two products both in features and available out of the
box radio streams? I think that this would help eliminate some confusion
and questions. Like any new, soon to be released, announcement there is
more questio
Does the online UE service have something nice and modern to use when
you cue up local tracks ?
No. The mobile app is considered your main control point.
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I saw MH comment that he is running his server for UE Radio on Linux -
so this means (implies at least) that there is still software for the
end-user to install.
Yes, if you want to have access to your local music collection, then
you'll need to install the UE Music Library software.
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Soundman wrote:
> From my point of view Logitech turns into the wrong direction and many
> will turn their back to Logitech due to this change...
Considering how people flock towards all kinds of services without any
concern of privacy, I seriously doubt this will make the slightest dent
in Logit
toby10 wrote:
> Now, there is one big plus for MySB.com users that may help keep it
> accessible for a reasonable time period. The new UE online server is
> basically a stripped down MySB.com. So going forward it might not be
> that big of a technological effort to keep both going *if* they are
Mnyb wrote:
> A more sinister thing is that the UE server would be capable of storing
> your whole playlist history .
> Now that every track you play will be exposed to their server .
> I think this is intentional this info can probably be used in some smart
> ways with different online services
cliffpatte wrote:
> In the UK, all products need to be fit for purpose from manufacture for
> 7 years. So, if a product is "manufactured" to do internet radio, it
> should do it without error for up to 7 years. Warranty is a different
> issue.
7 more years of MySB.com would be great, but I doubt
cliffpatte wrote:
> In the UK, all products need to be fit for purpose from manufacture for
> 7 years. So, if a product is "manufactured" to do internet radio, it
> should do it without error for up to 7 years. Warranty is a different
> issue.
Can you provide a suitable reference?
mherger wrote:
> > Does this mean that in the event of one's internet connection going
> down
> > (which used to happen frequently when I was with my former ISP, the
> > major UK ISP), the UE Radio cannot be controlled to play locally
> stored
> > music?
>
> Yes, that's true.
>
That feels like
Paul Webster wrote:
> I saw MH comment that he is running his server for UE Radio on Linux -
> so this means (implies at least) that there is still software for the
> end-user to install.
> Isn't that the part that causes some end-users to have problems (the
> installation a s running of software
Mnyb wrote:
> The certainly seems to be done with the web-UI for controll :-/
>
> Does the online UE service have something nice and modern to use when
> you cue up local tracks ?
>
I don't know, I don't have a UERadio, so I can't get past the "Add
Radio" screen.
The certainly seems to be done with the web-UI for controll :-/
Does the online UE service have something nice and modern to use when
you cue up local tracks ?
A redeeming thing could be if they finally get any kind of smart
playlist functionality using this more closed approach .
A more sinis
travelfotografer wrote:
> Maybe Logitech found that people are now glued to their smartphones, and
> there is no longer a need for a product like Touch. Instead, you just
> need a Smart Radio Plus with digital outs, and you can play, queue, etc
> your music files using the smartphone app.
>
> Ev
Grumpy Bob wrote:
> That's rather interesting, and for me that would be one reason not to
> buy in to the new server-player system, were it to be extended to a HiFi
> quality player that had the same limitation.
>
> Robert
It looks like the player control for local files is at uesmartradio.com
mherger wrote:
> > Does this mean that in the event of one's internet connection going
> down
> > (which used to happen frequently when I was with my former ISP, the
> > major UK ISP), the UE Radio cannot be controlled to play locally
> stored
> > music?
>
> Yes, that's true.
>
> --
>
> Micha
Does this mean that in the event of one's internet connection going down
(which used to happen frequently when I was with my former ISP, the
major UK ISP), the UE Radio cannot be controlled to play locally stored
music?
Yes, that's true.
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mherger wrote:
> > BBCiPlayer will work with the new LMS version using existing hardware
> > players. I'm not convinced it will work yet with the new smart radio
> > though - doesn't look set up for server based plugins to stream audio
> to
> > it unfortunately. However only been looking for a
pallfreeman wrote:
> Oh dear. Does this mean a bunch of decerebrate drones from Logitech's
> Nathan Barley department are monitoring this forum?
No, I'm following that Twitter account and asked a question. I find
Twitter's quite a good way to ask questions (if the answer can be in
<140 character
epoch1970 wrote:
> Well I had hopes that Logi would sell the businessÂ… nevermind.
>
> Thanks to Michael for the brief.
>
> Let's hope Logi has found the magic formula, will sell gazillions of
> players. And then someone very nice and smart will build a proxy to hook
> our SBs to the new world.
Doubling the price for an extra speaker is hardly sneaking in. While I'm
sure the old radio wasn't up to stereo, despite having bought 3x radios,
`1x touch, 1x boom i cant see using two to get stereo...
If you have two Radios synced to each other you can configure them to play
either left or r
mherger wrote:
> > Unless some other unit gets introduced and as long as you can't use
> it
> > with Squeezeboxes, sync is a non-feature.
>
> Buy two of them to get stereo sound (yes, I think that option has
> slipped
> in. Don't tell anyone)! :-)
>
> --
>
> Michael
Doubling the price for
BBCiPlayer will work with the new LMS version using existing hardware
players. I'm not convinced it will work yet with the new smart radio
though - doesn't look set up for server based plugins to stream audio to
it unfortunately. However only been looking for a short time...
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