Re: [RBW] Re: FS: Possibly off topic but not by too much: Classic Burberry trench.

2013-12-17 Thread Patrick Moore
It's not what is conventionally marked a 48; it is meant to fit someone rather tall and narrow. Again, it fits me still while wearing a 42 R sport coat, albeit a wee bit more snugly than is perfect, and when I bought it I was probably 10-15 lb lighter than I am now. In fact, nowadays, it fits me

[RBW] Re: FS: SlickerSack Platrack

2013-12-17 Thread Deacon Patrick
Allan, Who makes your tweed knickers/breeches? With abandon, Patrick On Monday, December 16, 2013 11:36:57 PM UTC-7, Allan in Portland wrote: Tweed shorts are spoken for. On Monday, December 16, 2013 10:03:08 PM UTC-8, Allan in Portland wrote: Bump. With pictures this time. And a new

Re: [RBW] Who was RBW back in the 1960's?

2013-12-17 Thread Ron Mc
My vote goes to Mercian. On Tuesday, December 17, 2013 1:04:12 AM UTC-6, Tim McNamara wrote: On Dec 17, 2013, at 12:27 AM, Michael john1...@gmail.com javascript: wrote: Who made the USA's finest lugged, steel, frames back then and what were the prices like? Albert Eisentraut

RE: [RBW] Who was RBW back in the 1960's?

2013-12-17 Thread Allingham II, Thomas J
Isn't Mercian British? From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com [mailto:rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Ron Mc Sent: Tuesday, December 17, 2013 8:25 AM To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Cc: tim...@bitstream.net Subject: Re: [RBW] Who was RBW back in the 1960's? My vote goes

Re: [RBW] Who was RBW back in the 1960's?

2013-12-17 Thread Ron Mc
If you don't mind a little off topic historical perspective. I collect and repair antique fly reels. The US-made reels were all good designs that came off an assembly line, where manufacturing process design was first and foremost. The Pflueger Medalist was the premiere American production

Re: [RBW] Who was RBW back in the 1960's?

2013-12-17 Thread Ron Mc
well yes, Mercian is in Mercia. On Tuesday, December 17, 2013 7:32:06 AM UTC-6, Pudge wrote: Isn’t Mercian British? *From:* rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com javascript: [mailto: rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com javascript:] *On Behalf Of *Ron Mc *Sent:* Tuesday, December 17, 2013 8:25 AM

[RBW] Re: New RBW Silver brand chainrings available!

2013-12-17 Thread Ron Mc
very cool indeed. They look sharp. I hope everybody has that Park tool in their toolkit. http://www.rivbike.com/product-p/tl011.htm On Tuesday, December 17, 2013 12:32:45 AM UTC-6, Michael wrote: Very cool. Wouldn't it be cool if they had a whole line of Silver branded components? Could

Re: [RBW] Who was RBW back in the 1960's?

2013-12-17 Thread Eric Norris
Which is, of course, the source of Mericun frames. Eric N www.CampyOnly.com CampyOnlyGuy.blogspot.com Twitter: @CampyOnlyGuy On Dec 17, 2013, at 6:24 AM, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote: On 12/17/2013 08:44 AM, Ron Mc wrote: well yes, Mercian is in Mercia. not to be confused with

Re: [RBW] Who was RBW back in the 1960's?

2013-12-17 Thread Eric Norris
Schwinn was making beautiful, lugged Paramounts back in those days. Those bikes are very collectable and are still ridden today. Eric N www.CampyOnly.com CampyOnlyGuy.blogspot.com Twitter: @CampyOnlyGuy On Dec 16, 2013, at 10:27 PM, Michael john11.2...@gmail.com wrote: Who made the USA's

Re: [RBW] Who was RBW back in the 1960's?

2013-12-17 Thread Steve Palincsar
On 12/17/2013 08:44 AM, Ron Mc wrote: well yes, Mercian is in Mercia. not to be confused with 'Merica On Tuesday, December 17, 2013 7:32:06 AM UTC-6, Pudge wrote: Isn’t Mercian British? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch

[RBW] Re: New RBW Silver brand chainrings available!

2013-12-17 Thread Shoji Takahashi
I'm waiting for the crankset to come out. I vaguely remember a mention in Blug or somewhere Riv that Mark A. was designing a Silver crank. (I hope it doesn't have that hidden chainring bolt!) On Tuesday, December 17, 2013 8:50:40 AM UTC-5, Ron Mc wrote: very cool indeed. They look sharp.

Re: [RBW] Who was RBW back in the 1960's?

2013-12-17 Thread Ron Mc
I agree Paramounts are gorgeous handmade frames, and is likely the pinnacle of American handmade bicycles during the time - and maybe the only example we'll come up with.. Does it count the same as the branded Waterford frames? But if you look at the flagships, Varsity vs. Grand Prix - there

[RBW] Re: New RBW Silver brand chainrings available!

2013-12-17 Thread Bill Lindsay
Not Silver, S!LVER I like it. On Monday, December 16, 2013 10:32:45 PM UTC-8, Michael wrote: Very cool. Wouldn't it be cool if they had a whole line of Silver branded components? Could deck out the whole frameset with complete Silver build. Wonder if they will only sell these rings

Re: [RBW] Who was RBW back in the 1960's?

2013-12-17 Thread Ron Mc
King of Mercia frame goes back to at least 1956. http://www.classiclightweights.co.uk/builders/mercian2.html IMO, probably the most Riv-esque frame of the period. On Tuesday, December 17, 2013 8:51:20 AM UTC-6, Ron Mc wrote: I agree Paramounts are gorgeous handmade frames, and is likely

Re: [RBW] Who was RBW back in the 1960's?

2013-12-17 Thread Matthew J
As I understand the history, Waterford is a direct successor from the factory originally started by Wastyn and Schwinn to build Paramounts. The U.S. did not really have a Rivendell-like company in the 1960s. Schwinn was still dominant at the time. The Chicago facility made Schwinn branded

Re: [RBW] Who was RBW back in the 1960's?

2013-12-17 Thread Montclair BobbyB
I think you're right.. Schwinn (Paramount) was the only company (at least that I can recall) manufacturing lugged racing/touring frames in the US in the 60s. There were other US brands in the mass-market (like Rollfast, Columbia, Huffy, etc), but I don't recall any of them focusing on racing

[RBW] Atlantis 53 or 54.5

2013-12-17 Thread Richard Rios
Hi All, I ran across this Atlantis for sale while browsing the local Craig's List. http://losangeles.craigslist.org/wst/bik/4225656821.html . The bike was originally listed as a 53.5 so I was uncertain as to what the actual frame size was since I could not find one listed as 53.5. In any

Re: [RBW] Who was RBW back in the 1960's?

2013-12-17 Thread Ron Mc
Bobby, I tried to answer that above with my fishing reel analogy. Artisan shops were production in the UK, while assembly lines were production in the US. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v728/bulldog1935/young/dickerson%20cat/reels.jpg As late as the '50s, Hardy reels were stamped

Re: [RBW] Who was RBW back in the 1960's?

2013-12-17 Thread Ron Mc
Matthew, there was a very trick '73 (Japanese) World Voyager posted on the CABE yesterday http://thecabe.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?51177-1973-Schwinn-World-Voyageur On Tuesday, December 17, 2013 9:25:50 AM UTC-6, Matthew J wrote: As I understand the history, Waterford is a direct

Re: [RBW] Who was RBW back in the 1960's?

2013-12-17 Thread Matthew J
Thanks Ron. IMO those Japanese Schwinns were as close as one would find to the Riv model in the U.S. at the time. The owner did a great job on the restoration too. On Tuesday, December 17, 2013 10:46:19 AM UTC-6, Ron Mc wrote: Matthew, there was a very trick '73 (Japanese) World Voyager

[RBW] Re: New RBW Silver brand chainrings available!

2013-12-17 Thread Michael
That would be cool if they have a crankset with the RBW built into it like the old Raleighs had the goosenecks, or whatever bird that was... http://www.flickr.com/photos/70237737@N00/8955519536/in/set-72157633937039591 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google

Re: [RBW] Who was RBW back in the 1960's?

2013-12-17 Thread Steve Palincsar
On 12/17/2013 11:27 AM, Ron Mc wrote: Bobby, I tried to answer that above with my fishing reel analogy. Artisan shops were production in the UK, while assembly lines were production in the US. I'm pretty sure that most Raleigh bicycle production in the UK qualified as assembly line rather

[RBW] Re: Who was RBW back in the 1960's?

2013-12-17 Thread Jim M.
On Monday, December 16, 2013 10:27:10 PM UTC-8, Michael wrote: Who made the USA's finest lugged, steel, frames back then and what were the prices like? I think that's a different question than who was Rivendell in the '60s. Rivendell's are great frames (I have 3), but I'd say a Bruce Gordon

Re: [RBW] Re: New RBW Silver brand chainrings available!

2013-12-17 Thread Peter Morgano
Nowadays that would most likely mean cnc machining which would probably make it cost prohibitive. Cool idea but does it mean you only get the one chain ring.? On Dec 17, 2013 12:19 PM, Michael john11.2...@gmail.com wrote: That would be cool if they have a crankset with the RBW built into it

Re: [RBW] Who was RBW back in the 1960's?

2013-12-17 Thread Steve Palincsar
On 12/17/2013 10:25 AM, Matthew J wrote: Without googling, I do not recall off hand whether the Japanese Schwinns were available in the 1960s or 1970s. 1970s after 1970. Images of the 1960-1970 Schwinn catalogs are on-line here: http://waterfordbikes.com/SchwinnCat/flschwinn_1961_1970/ --

Re: [RBW] Re: Who was RBW back in the 1960's?

2013-12-17 Thread Steve Palincsar
On 12/17/2013 12:22 PM, Jim M. wrote: On Monday, December 16, 2013 10:27:10 PM UTC-8, Michael wrote: Who made the USA's finest lugged, steel, frames back then and what were the prices like? I think that's a different question than who was Rivendell in the '60s. Rivendell's are great

[RBW] Re: New RBW Silver brand chainrings available!

2013-12-17 Thread Brewster Fong
On Monday, December 16, 2013 10:32:45 PM UTC-8, Michael wrote: Very cool. Wouldn't it be cool if they had a whole line of Silver branded components? Could deck out the whole frameset with complete Silver build. Wonder if they will only sell these rings from now on at RBW? Glad to know

RE: [RBW] Re: New RBW Silver brand chainrings available!

2013-12-17 Thread Allingham II, Thomas J
Could be done - there's a guy doing limited edition chainrings in Australia, I assume by CNC:http://bespokechainrings.com/ Here's one of his rings on a Bombadil: http://www.flickr.com/photos/37542512@N04/11052561793/ And closer up:

Re: [RBW] Who was RBW back in the 1960's?

2013-12-17 Thread Bill Lindsay
Steve, You mean like this? Sat Night and Sun Morning https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zJAeb0wiQjA On Tuesday, December 17, 2013 9:20:33 AM UTC-8, Steve Palincsar wrote: On 12/17/2013 11:27 AM, Ron Mc wrote: Bobby, I tried to answer that above with my fishing reel analogy. Artisan shops

Re: [RBW] Re: Who was RBW back in the 1960's?

2013-12-17 Thread Jim M.
On Tuesday, December 17, 2013 9:40:25 AM UTC-8, Steve Palincsar wrote: On 12/17/2013 12:22 PM, Jim M. wrote: But the question isn't just who are among the best American frame builders today; it's in the 1960s. And in the 1960s, Peter Weigle had yet to move to England, along with Richard

Re: [RBW] Re: Who was RBW back in the 1960's?

2013-12-17 Thread Joe Bunik
(Mainstream) USA production heritage will inevitably be filtered through the lens of Schwinn - Eisentraut started out at the famous Oscar Wastyn (Schwinn) shop, for example. Later during the 1970's, upstart framebuilders (like Ritchey, or many MTB pioneers, or even niche builders like Sam

Re: [RBW] Re: Who was RBW back in the 1960's?

2013-12-17 Thread Jim M.
On Tuesday, December 17, 2013 10:40:13 AM UTC-8, Bill Lindsay wrote: Who was RBW back in the 1960's? Maybe John Finley Scott: http://bicycledesign.net/2008/08/way-ahead-of-his-time/ and his woodsie bike: : [image: [woodsie.jpg]] Though he never went into production with it. jim m wc

[RBW] Re: FS: SlickerSack Platrack

2013-12-17 Thread hsmitham
Deacon, Looks like Sheila Moon makes em. ~Hugh On Tuesday, December 17, 2013 4:40:58 AM UTC-8, Deacon Patrick wrote: Allan, Who makes your tweed knickers/breeches? With abandon, Patrick On Monday, December 16, 2013 11:36:57 PM UTC-7, Allan in Portland wrote: Tweed shorts are spoken

Re: [RBW] Re: Who was RBW back in the 1960's?

2013-12-17 Thread Steve Palincsar
On 12/17/2013 01:23 PM, Jim M. wrote: I have an Eisentraut, too, though from the '70s. From what I know of his history, he built race frames almost exclusively. He was probably the best American frame builder of the day, but I don't see him as compararble to Riv. The fact of race vs touring

[RBW] Re: FS: SlickerSack Platrack

2013-12-17 Thread Deacon Patrick
You got a link, Hugh? I can't find anything but spandex for women by Sheila Moon. With abandon, Patrick On Tuesday, December 17, 2013 11:43:51 AM UTC-7, hsmitham wrote: Deacon, Looks like Sheila Moon makes em. ~Hugh On Tuesday, December 17, 2013 4:40:58 AM UTC-8, Deacon Patrick wrote:

Re: [RBW] Re: Who was RBW back in the 1960's?

2013-12-17 Thread Joe Bunik
Aah! I had always thought John Finley Scott was a Brit. Here's an excellent Wastyn mixte (1948): http://www.flickr.com/photos/77646587@N00/5688693545/ =- Joe Bunik Walnut Creek, CA On 12/17/13, Jim M. mather...@gmail.com wrote: On Tuesday, December 17, 2013 10:40:13 AM UTC-8, Bill Lindsay

Re: [RBW] Re: Who was RBW back in the 1960's?

2013-12-17 Thread Matthew J
In 1964 I bought a Dunelt in a bike shop in Buffalo NY. Good point. Some bike shops did sell European and even Japanese offerings. (FWIW, I have a couple of Dunelt head badges in my collection. (and Tom is legendary for his fitting skills) The best. Every time I get on my Kellogg I

[RBW] Re: Atlantis 53 or 54.5

2013-12-17 Thread Bill Lindsay
What did the seller say? The listing says the seller would be willing to trade for a bigger size. Is the seller about your height/pbh? What's the seat height in the picture? If you would have to raise it more than the seller already has it, I'd say don't do it. If you'd be lowering it,

[RBW] Re: Atlantis 53 or 54.5

2013-12-17 Thread Richard Rios
On Tuesday, December 17, 2013 8:14:33 AM UTC-8, Richard Rios wrote: Hi All, I ran across this Atlantis for sale while browsing the local Craig's List. http://losangeles.craigslist.org/wst/bik/4225656821.html . The bike was originally listed as a 53.5 so I was uncertain as to what the

[RBW] Re: Atlantis 53 or 54.5

2013-12-17 Thread hsmitham
Bill, The bike is my Brother's. He picked it up on a spur of the moment from a fellow in San Diego. He has a PBH of 85 cm so it's just a bit too small for him. My other Brother Andrew borrowed it for a day he's 5'9 with a PBH somewhere around 82 cm and it seemed to fit well. Bruce would be

[RBW] Brooks leather bar tape - care feeding tips?

2013-12-17 Thread Tim Gavin
Hello again, Rivsters. I picked up some Brooks leather bar tape for my girlfriend's xmas gift, a Soma San Marcos. It will match the honey B17S and look beautiful with the pearly blue paint. (She knows she's getting the San Marcos; it's in her living room as we finish building it. But she has

[RBW] Re: Atlantis 53 or 54.5

2013-12-17 Thread dougP
Richard: Likely you can easily fit more than one frame size. Rivendell has published a couple of charts over the years and there is usually a bit of overlap in frame sizes, and their recommendations tend to larger sizes. Definitely worth giving this one a serious look and take your wrenches

Re: [RBW] Who was RBW back in the 1960's?

2013-12-17 Thread Steve Palincsar
On 12/17/2013 01:06 PM, Bill Lindsay wrote: Steve, You mean like this? Sat Night and Sun Morning https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zJAeb0wiQjA No, like this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XOE0DbfWqyo -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners

[RBW] Re: Atlantis 53 or 54.5

2013-12-17 Thread Bill Lindsay
If the seatheight in the photos is for a pbh 85 dude, then a pbh 82 dude should be quite happy on it. Go for it! What's the worst that could happen? On Tuesday, December 17, 2013 12:42:55 PM UTC-8, hsmitham wrote: Bill, The bike is my Brother's. He picked it up on a spur of the moment

[RBW] Re: What deals they were!

2013-12-17 Thread Garth
On Monday, December 16, 2013 1:03:14 PM UTC-5, Brewster Fong wrote: However, the thing with getting a custom Rivendell is you're buying not just a beautiful custom steel frame, but their philosophy. You're getting a Grant-designed bike with his specific geometry for YOU. Yes, others can

Re: [RBW] Re: What deals they were!

2013-12-17 Thread Hiawatha Cyclery
I don't believe the explanation for the price increases is as simple as going from Japan to US manufacture, with currency exchanges, and such. It looks like the Atlantis and some of Riv's other non-Taiwan frames are now a made-to-order kinda thing, when before it was produced in some quantity

Re: [RBW] Who was RBW back in the 1960's?

2013-12-17 Thread Jim Cloud
The market for quality lugged bicycle framed bicycles in the U.S. for adults was virtually non-existent before the U.S. Bike Boom that began in the early 1970's. What little demand existed was more than accommodated by the Schwinn Paramount for domestic buyers and imports from England, France

Re: [RBW] Re: Atlantis 53 or 54.5

2013-12-17 Thread Tim Gavin
The 53 Atlantis has a 55cm top tube. That works in your favor, since you want it to fit a little bigger. The 54.5 would only gain you 1cm in the top tube (56cm). That is easily equalized with a longer reach stem or a bit of seat setback. Frame geometry link on this page:

[RBW] Re: New RBW Silver brand chainrings available!

2013-12-17 Thread dougP
Shoji noted (I hope it doesn't have that hidden chainring bolt!) +1 on that! I fancy myself good at figuring out mechanical stuff, but have always been baffled at whatever logic (or lack thereof) went into that idea. I have a Deore crankset on another bike and when I look at the Sugino on my

[RBW] Re: Atlantis 53 or 54.5

2013-12-17 Thread Richard Rios
Thank you all for the feedback. Sounds like I am in the ball park :). I would be lowering the seat post for sure. The current owner is quite a bit taller than I am with a longer PBH which is why he is looking for a bicycle with a bigger frame. A test ride sounds like it is in order. Again

Re: [RBW] Re: Who was RBW back in the 1960's?

2013-12-17 Thread Bill Lindsay
I agree with Jim M. The title of the OP is Who was RBW back in the 1960's? Then the post itself asks who made the finest lugged steel frames in the USA in the 1960's. Those are two questions. The implication is that they are equivalent questions, but I agree with Jim M in pointing out that

Re: [RBW] Re: Who was RBW back in the 1960's?

2013-12-17 Thread Matthew J
I have an Eisentraut, too, though from the '70s. From what I know of his history, he built race frames almost exclusively. He was probably the best American frame builder of the day, but I don't see him as compararble to Riv. That's the rub, I'ld say. Until 1970, when as Steve points out

[RBW] Re: Atlantis 53 or 54.5

2013-12-17 Thread Dave
Riv's sizing chart, as posted on their wall in a grid, puts an 82pbh on a 53-54.5 Atlantis. Too far away to take for a test ride? On Tuesday, December 17, 2013 8:14:33 AM UTC-8, Richard Rios wrote: Hi All, I ran across this Atlantis for sale while browsing the local Craig's List.

[RBW] Re: Atlantis 53 or 54.5

2013-12-17 Thread Richard Rios
Hi All, Thank you for the responses they have been very helpful. I am in contact with the owner of the bike and we are working on a time to get together for a test ride... :) I apologize if my post pops up out of order or seems like I am responding to myself as I am still working on figuring

[RBW] Re: Atlantis 53 or 54.5

2013-12-17 Thread Joe Bernard
Richard, I find that seattube length is practically meaningless beyond my ability to lean the bike over and get a leg over. It's all in the toptube, which is also a bit theoretical until you factor in stem and bar reach. If you think you can get saddle-to-bar-reach to work for you on that

[RBW] Re: Atlantis 53 or 54.5

2013-12-17 Thread Deacon Patrick
No worries, Richard. Google takes care of the order based on the chronology of the posts, not on which posts you are responding to. Will this be your first Rivendell? Enjoy your test ride! With abandon, Patrick On Tuesday, December 17, 2013 2:43:08 PM UTC-7, Richard Rios wrote: Hi All,

[RBW] Re: New RBW Silver brand chainrings available!

2013-12-17 Thread dougP
Reading between the lines it sounds like let's have some fun with the tooth counts. Like it says, what's a tooth here or there? With wide range cassettes, you're always bound to find a gear somewhere that works. Pricing is in line with plain flat rings and they're made from 7075 alloy so

Re: [RBW] Re: New RBW Silver brand chainrings available!

2013-12-17 Thread Peter Morgano
Those cnc chain rings are hot, totally unnecessary but hot. On Dec 17, 2013 4:56 PM, dougP dougpn...@cox.net wrote: Reading between the lines it sounds like let's have some fun with the tooth counts. Like it says, what's a tooth here or there? With wide range cassettes, you're always bound

Re: [RBW] Re: Atlantis 53 or 54.5

2013-12-17 Thread Hugh Smitham
Bruce will have all the necessary tools for fit. Unless they meet at a different location than his home. And Doug is correct there is overlap...I could fit on a 53 cm or a 56 cm but decided on the 56 cm as I have a 83.5 to 84 cm PBH Richard, been on the group for a bit over a year now and still

Re: [RBW] Re: Who was RBW back in the 1960's?

2013-12-17 Thread Steve Palincsar
On 12/17/2013 03:30 PM, Matthew J wrote: By 1971 there was the P15, a (light) touring bike equipped with a Campagnolo triple crank. I ordered mine in July, 1971. Reckon that was quite a bike. It was. I rode mine for 20 years, until I got the Spectrum, at which point I discovered just

[RBW] Re: Atlantis 53 or 54.5

2013-12-17 Thread Richard Rios
Thank you for the reassurance :). No, actually would'nt be my first Rivendell. I currently own a Simpleone and Sam H. I have always loved the Atlantis for some reason. Believe it has to do in some part with the lyrics for the Velvet Underground song Heroin... I wish that I was born a

Re: [RBW] Re: Who was RBW back in the 1960's?

2013-12-17 Thread Steve Palincsar
On 12/17/2013 02:04 PM, Matthew J wrote: That's the rub, I'ld say. Until 1970, when as Steve points out above Schwinn first started selling lugged Japanese made frames, a person looking to buy a practical bike that could handle commuting, touring, light camping and fun rides was probably

[RBW] Re: Atlantis 53 or 54.5

2013-12-17 Thread Deacon Patrick
Makes perfect sense, Richard. I fell in love with the Hunqapillar because an ogre like me really does need a mammoth to ride. And now that I ride mostly backcountry trails, I love the idea of a mammoth tromping and wending it's way through the pines much like a broad antlered elk or massive

[RBW] Re: New RBW Silver brand chainrings available!

2013-12-17 Thread Bill Lindsay
$1/tooth is brilliant. On Tuesday, December 17, 2013 1:56:10 PM UTC-8, dougP wrote: Reading between the lines it sounds like let's have some fun with the tooth counts. Like it says, what's a tooth here or there? With wide range cassettes, you're always bound to find a gear somewhere that

[RBW] Re: Brooks leather bar tape - care feeding tips?

2013-12-17 Thread Michael
Thought I read somewhere that Brooks says don't put anything on it. Someone else here can chime in who knows for sure. I would think dressing it before putting it on would be a bad idea because you want the grip of the tape adhesive to be perfect on the handlebar. I would be afraid that

[RBW] Re: Brooks leather bar tape - care feeding tips?

2013-12-17 Thread Deacon Patrick
I use a lot of leather and care for it over the years, though I use cotton tape on my bars. In my experience, properly oiled leather grips everything better than dry leather, to itself, to steel, wood, hands, feet, whatever. So you idea to pre-oil is sound. If I were installing those on my bars

[RBW] Re: Brooks leather bar tape - care feeding tips?

2013-12-17 Thread Michael
Whatever you do... don't pull too hard on the split section of the tape or it will separate. Some of their lengths of tape are in two pieces. Yes...sadly...Brooks doesn't have all the lengths as one piece, which I think is unacceptable for the price they charge for them. If it does

[RBW] Re: Brooks leather bar tape - care feeding tips?

2013-12-17 Thread Deacon Patrick
Great point about multiple pieces stitched together, Michael. In that case, I would stretch each piece as if it were separate so the stitched area was not stressed, and same for that spot when wrapping, just pulling it taught without stretching that few inch area. With abandon, Patrick On

[RBW] Re: Atlantis 53 or 54.5

2013-12-17 Thread dougP
Richard: If you're in southern California, come out to one of our irregularly scheduled bike rides. Watch here for announcements on future rides. I think our next one is in Redlands on March 15. Some people even show up with non-Rivendell bikes but we're a tolerant bunch. Looks like the

Re: [RBW] Re: What deals they were!

2013-12-17 Thread Leslie
On Saturday, December 14, 2013 8:27:27 PM UTC-5, Minh wrote: Well there have been some notable changes in manufacturing of those frames, whereas the original Atlantis frames were made in Japan (when the YEN exchange rate was much more favorable), now you get a frame made in the US at

[RBW] Re: Who was RBW back in the 1960's?

2013-12-17 Thread Marty
For those interested, Oscar Wastyn still has a shop in Chicago. I stopped in a couple years ago and took my camera along. Worth a visit if you're in the area. (I hope it's still there) FWIW, I would say the Taylor Bros. came as close to the RBW vibe as you can get. Rough stuff frames, racks,

[RBW] A moment of sadness

2013-12-17 Thread Cecily Walker
My osteoarthritis has become so bad in the last few weeks that it's nearly impossible to ride my Betty Foy. Even after a professional bike fitting, I simply don't have enough flexibility in the knee to make pedaling possible. Part of me feels like it's punishment for buying such an expensive

[RBW] Re: A moment of sadness

2013-12-17 Thread Deacon Patrick
I am so sorry, Cecily. If I may, you'll be in my prayers. In the meantime, focus on the gifts rather than dwelling on the pain, there is, somehow, gift in everything. With abandon, Patrick On Tuesday, December 17, 2013 6:46:45 PM UTC-7, Cecily Walker wrote: My osteoarthritis has become so

[RBW] Re: A moment of sadness

2013-12-17 Thread Don Compton
Cecily I wish you the best. Hang in there. I suffer from osteoarthritis, neck and back, and cold weather is difficult. On the other hand, when the temps hover near 60 and above, I feel like a young kid again. Maybe during the Canadian winters you should consider alternatives, but don't give up

[RBW] Re: New RBW Silver brand chainrings available!

2013-12-17 Thread Matthew J
$1/tooth is brilliant. Yes indeed. And if these are even half good, a pretty decent price. On Tuesday, December 17, 2013 4:23:52 PM UTC-6, Bill Lindsay wrote: $1/tooth is brilliant. On Tuesday, December 17, 2013 1:56:10 PM UTC-8, dougP wrote: Reading between the lines it sounds like

[RBW] OAC Rambler Ride Report

2013-12-17 Thread Tony DeFilippo
If this is to OT someone feel free to dump it... I finally got around to writing up my visit and ride the Ocean Air Cycle's Rambler. Really sweet bike with alot of soul in common with Rivendell bikes in my opinion. It was definitely a bike I was interested in, and any company with a motto of

[RBW] Re: Brooks leather bar tape - care feeding tips?

2013-12-17 Thread SeanMac
I've had Brooks tape on my Bob Brown custom bike since I received it in the Fall of 2007. It has held up very well. To the best of my recollection, I don't think I have ever done anything to treat it - though I may have smeared some Brooks Proofide on it at one time. I don't know if the

[RBW] Re: A moment of sadness

2013-12-17 Thread Cecily Walker
Though I'm not religious, I'm not one to turn down good thoughts/prayers. They're appreciated. On Tuesday, December 17, 2013 5:58:42 PM UTC-8, Deacon Patrick wrote: I am so sorry, Cecily. If I may, you'll be in my prayers. In the meantime, focus on the gifts rather than dwelling on the

[RBW] Re: Who was RBW back in the 1960's?

2013-12-17 Thread Jim Cloud
The Taylor Bros. were also highly influenced by the French Constructeur makers in their touring bike models. These influences included their proprietary racks, internal frame wiring for lights, Lefol aluminum fenders, low-trail design, etc. These aspects don't particularly appear in Grant

[RBW] Re: A moment of sadness

2013-12-17 Thread Cecily Walker
This is the first fall/winter it's been this bad. This is a completely new experience for me. Any day that it's physically possible to be back on the bike, you can bet I will be. Thanks for the well wishes, Don. On Tuesday, December 17, 2013 6:05:37 PM UTC-8, Don Compton wrote: Cecily I

[RBW] Re: OAC Rambler Ride Report

2013-12-17 Thread dougP
Thanks for the write-up, thoughtful well done. Rob had a trio of Ramblers at the recent steel bike show in Orange, CA, and they are quite nicely done. You can tell a lot of thought experience went into their design. I'm enjoying my C-line tires from Ocean Air, and wish Rob all the best

[RBW] Re: New RBW Silver brand chainrings available!

2013-12-17 Thread dougP
Half good ain't good enough for Rivendell (chuckle, grin). Don't need 'em right now but should probably pick up a set before prices head up (see earlier thread re: what deals). dougP On Tuesday, December 17, 2013 6:13:54 PM UTC-8, Matthew J wrote: $1/tooth is brilliant. Yes indeed.

[RBW] Re: A moment of sadness

2013-12-17 Thread dougP
That is sad we all wish you the best. On a hopeful note, cycling is generally good for the knees as it promotes blood flow lubrication as long as the loads are kept moderate. I have one abused knee that used to get stiff sore, but after retirement and cycling nearly every day it hasn't

[RBW] Dancing Around the Lugged Steel Maypole

2013-12-17 Thread Doug Williams
I'm weaving flowers into my beard right now and looking for a lugged steel maypole. Care to join me? From SRAM and the Bike Snob New York: Doug *It has recently come to our attention that during last weekend’s Cyclocross racing in the US, in sub freezing temperatures, several failures were

[RBW] Re: Dancing Around the Lugged Steel Maypole

2013-12-17 Thread RJM
Disks on roadbikes is going to be an awful fad. On Tuesday, December 17, 2013 9:56:56 PM UTC-6, Doug Williams wrote: I'm weaving flowers into my beard right now and looking for a lugged steel maypole. Care to join me? From SRAM and the Bike Snob New York: Doug *It has recently come to

[RBW] Re: Dancing Around the Lugged Steel Maypole

2013-12-17 Thread Brewster Fong
On Tuesday, December 17, 2013 7:56:56 PM UTC-8, Doug Williams wrote: I'm weaving flowers into my beard right now and looking for a lugged steel maypole. Care to join me? From SRAM and the Bike Snob New York: Doug *It has recently come to our attention that during last weekend’s

[RBW] Re: Atlantis 53 or 54.5

2013-12-17 Thread Richard Rios
Putting the 15th on my calendar! I live in the Loma linda / Redlandsish area so it would be perfect. Looking forward to the chance to meet and ride with some fellow Rivendell owners. And thank you all again for the helpful feedback. Sincerely, Richard On Tuesday, December 17, 2013 8:14:33

[RBW] A moment of sadness

2013-12-17 Thread Philip Williamson
I'm sorry to hear that! As Patrick says, maybe you'll save someone's life on the public transit... Actually he never said that! :^) Get better! Philip www.biketinker.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from

Re: [RBW] Re: what have you carried on your Rivendell?

2013-12-17 Thread cyclotourist
Just got home with these: http://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/11429768503/ No problem what so ever! On 11/23/13, cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote: Just got back from recycling two gallons of used motor oil... was not a pleasant load to carry!

Re: [RBW] A moment of sadness

2013-12-17 Thread cyclotourist
Sorry to read this, hope you this is just an exacerbation and it goes into remission soon! On 12/17/13, Philip Williamson philip.william...@gmail.com wrote: I'm sorry to hear that! As Patrick says, maybe you'll save someone's life on the public transit... Actually he never said that! :^) Get

Re: [RBW] Dancing Around the Lugged Steel Maypole

2013-12-17 Thread cyclotourist
Yet another reason to start growing a beard! On 12/17/13, Doug Williams salg...@minbaritm.com wrote: I'm weaving flowers into my beard right now and looking for a lugged steel maypole. Care to join me? From SRAM and the Bike Snob New York: Doug *It has recently come to our attention that

[RBW] WTB Shimano Bar end shifter; Front/left only

2013-12-17 Thread Michael Williams
Hey group, wondering if anyone has a spare Shimano FRONT only bar end shifter laying around, 8/9 speed, doesnt matter. I want to try it in a Paul thumbie, and the Microshift that Riv sells isnt compatible, and the Silver shifter needs extra hardware. Thank you in advance!!-Mike

[RBW] Re: A moment of sadness

2013-12-17 Thread IanA
Part of me feels like it's punishment for buying such an expensive bike in the first place Owning/riding/buying a bicycle is one of the kindest things a human-being can do. For themself, for society and for so many good reasons. There is no punishment for having such an expensive bicycle.

[RBW] OAC Rambler Ride Report

2013-12-17 Thread velomann
I'm the proud owner of a sunflower yellow 650b Rambler and I am absolutely thrilled with it. I only got it built up in October and have yet to get it out on a real ramble, but my country-ish commute has me putting about 125 very enjoyable miles/ week on this bike, and my affection for it just

[RBW] Re: Atlantis 53 or 54.5

2013-12-17 Thread Joe Bernard
I've always loved the Atlantis, too, for entirely aesthetic reasons: I love the color, the name, and the headbadge. I've so far managed to avoid actually buying one - I've had an AHH, Saluki, Rambouillet, Romulus, and currently a Bleriot - but I suspect it's only a matter of time. This one is

Re: [RBW] OAC Rambler Ride Report

2013-12-17 Thread Peter Morgano
Its a beautiful bike but aside from the special mounts for the pauls is it really functionally different from the polyvalent MKII? http://store.velo-orange.com/index.php/frames/polyvalent-mkii.html On Wed, Dec 18, 2013 at 12:57 AM, velomann velom...@gmail.com wrote: I'm the proud owner of a

Re: [RBW] OAC Rambler Ride Report

2013-12-17 Thread cyclotourist
Functionally I don't know, but hand made in Portland, OR vs. assembly line made in Taiwan, along with supporting an upstanding guy I like to ride bikes with are two huge plusses for me. On 12/17/13, Peter Morgano uscpeter11...@gmail.com wrote: Its a beautiful bike but aside from the special