LoL
Every theory of diet , in the end, negates itself by it's theoretical
nature , always subject to change . Anything that is changeable , is not
Truth . For Truth to be Truth, it must be Absolute and without
opposition. And I know of only One . . . . and a Great One at that :)
Based on the EBDJ blog, the diet consisits of: Canned fish, eggs, coconut
products, ghee, kale and blue cheese. That combo would help most anyone
lose weight..
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I started the blog mostly because it's an author's respo to assist the pub
in selling the books. It's not like--now I wrote it, now you sell it.
Not wanting to rewrite every entry, I starting doing stuff that i don't do
in the book--like photo food. It's easy, I do it at home as I'm making the
My friend, who is an anthropologist, has a rather different take on the
barefoot running / paleo diet thinking, which I will not get into now,
except to share this comic just inside the suggested noon cutoff. I copied
and pasted it into this window so my fingers are crossed that it is
viewable
On 11/10/2014 02:09 PM, Daniel M wrote:
My friend, who is an anthropologist, has a rather different take on
the barefoot running / paleo diet thinking, which I will not get into
now, except to share this comic just inside the suggested noon cutoff.
I copied and pasted it into this window so my
On Monday, November 10, 2014 1:44:50 PM UTC-8, Steve Palincsar wrote:
On 11/10/2014 02:09 PM, Daniel M wrote:
My friend, who is an anthropologist, has a rather different take on the
barefoot running / paleo diet thinking, which I will not get into now,
except to share this comic just
If a high percentage of cave people died before age 5, then the “average age”
could in fact be 25-35 years. The average lifespan is basically the sum of
everyone’s age at death divided by the number of people. Today’s average
lifespan of 78.1 is in large part the result of more people living
Since I don't need the last word...can we agree to wrap this up on this
forum by, say, Monday Noon? Whatevs-
Agreed, as the OP, I was hesitant to post this here as I assumed
(correctly) that this would thread would devolve as it did. My original
questions were merely asking for those who
David,
*Your general experiences? *
Not a lot of change with a diet like this for us from an otherwise balanced
with healthy grain diet in body mass or otherwise. Our cholesterol jumped a
little, but that's subject to fluctuation anyway.
On good vs bad cholesterol, see
Hey Chris,
The paleo diet I am on replaces the carbs with fat, not protein. I
actually eat less protein now than I did before the switch. Also, gut flora
and function often is out of whack due to grains and their anti-nutrients
and thus needs specific steps to help heal it.
With abandon,
Let me get this question under the wire. I was talking with a woman from my
church today about the low carb diet, and she said that it helps
depression. Any online information about this?
Just bought hunka beef for tonight's dinner (lotta beef, lotta green veg,
lotta red wine) since next week
Patrick,
Yes, there is a fair bit of science on a low carb diet aiding all sorts of
brain chemistry and neurological issues. This includes brain injury,
depression, alzheimer's, MS, ADHD, autism, and more. I would suggest a
Google search of it. But I quickly found this post:
There is a lot of information on the effects of grains and high carbs on
the brain in Grain Brain as well, with lots of study citations.
With abadnon,
Patrick
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On 11/09/2014 05:43 PM, Deacon Patrick wrote:
My fat comes mostly from 100 grass fed cows (meat and dairy), wild
caught fish (salmon, tuna, cod), and coconut oil.
Did you mean 100 /per cent/ grass fed cows, or did you literally mean 99
cows and then one more cow?
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every year he eats just enough to keep the population at 100, really
impressive actually. :)
On Sun, Nov 9, 2014 at 8:36 PM, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote:
On 11/09/2014 05:43 PM, Deacon Patrick wrote:
My fat comes mostly from 100 grass fed cows (meat and dairy), wild caught
fish
On 11/09/2014 08:41 PM, Goshen Peter wrote:
every year he eats just enough to keep the population at 100, really
impressive actually. :)
That's 60,000 to 100,000 lb of beef: pretty impressive, I must say.
On Sun, Nov 9, 2014 at 8:36 PM, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com
Yes Patrick Moore !
It is all rather silly . All these names for diets . HaH !
The funny thing about them all, is that once they are defined , they are
impossible to follow , as they create a prison within their own rules .
For every theory, there is another to refute it. For every
bad science has always made for entertaining reading
On Saturday, November 8, 2014 6:50:58 AM UTC-6, Garth wrote:
Yes Patrick Moore !
It is all rather silly . All these names for diets . HaH !
The funny thing about them all, is that once they are defined , they are
impossible to
what blows my mind is that nobody argues simply for a healthy attitude -
don't graze on junk, which is the exact cause of American obesity (it's not
an Illuminati plot). Everything is extreme, rather than balanced. Point at
everybody else and call them carb-mongers. The Only Answer is Death
BTW, if you get rid of mega-food-industrial conspiracies, then no one is
responsible for your state of health other than yourself.
On Saturday, November 8, 2014 7:42:22 AM UTC-6, Ron Mc wrote:
what blows my mind is that nobody argues simply for a healthy attitude -
don't graze on junk,
, not Riv-related): lo-carb, high fat
protein, ketosis, c.
BTW, if you get rid of mega-food-industrial conspiracies, then no one is
responsible for your state of health other than yourself.
On Saturday, November 8, 2014 7:42:22 AM UTC-6, Ron Mc wrote:
what blows my mind is that nobody argues
On 11/06/2014 08:49 PM, justinaug...@gmail.com wrote:
THERE IS ONE GROK. KNEEL BEFORE GROK!
I guess squat before Grok would make more sense.
Sense has been conspicuous by its absence around here for a long, long
time.
Are you now arguing for paleo monotheism?
Anyways.
-J
On
now wait a minute here - grain is not sin - Joseph saved civilization by
tithing the world's grain supply. Grain is not evil - it is the foundation
of all civilization. Not picking on Grant here, but at some point it's the
people writing books who are duping the public more than the
The grain of today is not the grain of Jesus or Joseph. It has been
selectively bread to withstand bugs and blights and climates, which means
more grows for the same effort, at the price of anti-nutrients that can
wreak havoc on health. It is also interesting to note that based on fossil
no food can wreak havoc on any person's health. Only the person can do
that by the choices they make. Fad diets count among bad choices - rank
them up there with Jacqueline Suzanne novels, because that is where they
belong - they are the fast food of the publishing industry.
On Friday,
Now this may well be true; any sources for more information about it?
On Fri, Nov 7, 2014 at 7:09 AM, Deacon Patrick lamontg...@mac.com wrote:
The grain of today is not the grain of Jesus or Joseph. It has been
selectively bread to withstand bugs and blights and climates, which means
more
No food can wreak havoc on any person's health
That's very well played. It's like guns don't kill people, people kill
people. Bad foods don't cause poor health, *eating* bad foods cause poor
health.
Rhetorical yoga, but it's true. Refined sugar won't cause any health
problems, provided you
The simple answer is no, I'd have to search for them to find them again.
It is intriguing that sprouting, fermenting, and soaking were pretty
standard ways of preparing grains for consumption before easily obtainable
processed flour. Those processes decrease the amount of anti-nutrients. We
I wonder what the average weight of a Rivendell owner is?
:-)
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N+1
Grin.
With abandon,
Patrick
On Friday, November 7, 2014 12:38:05 PM UTC-7, Trenker wrote:
I wonder what the average weight of a Rivendell owner is?
:-)
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So if we eliminate agriculture we'll all have perfect teeth and get rid of
those pesky anti-nutrients, whatever they are, as well?
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I'm 6'3 and 215 lbs. My blood pressure today is the same as when I was
19, though I was 15 lbs lighter when I was 19.
On Friday, November 7, 2014 1:40:34 PM UTC-6, Deacon Patrick wrote:
N+1
Grin.
With abandon,
Patrick
On Friday, November 7, 2014 12:38:05 PM UTC-7, Trenker wrote:
I
On a personal and familial scale, yes. That is precisely what happened.
Pre-paleo dental bill per child before they reached five: $4,000. Since
paleo? Only the cost of checkups. Some cavities even vanished. Tooth care
involves brushing with baking soda, flossing, and swishing mouth with
Fad diets come and go. I've lost 35 pounds this year, I'm lighter now than
I was graduating high school. Actually started out wanting to lose just
~15 pounds that I was over my usual weight but just kept on going. Didn't
do anything extreme just tracked my calories in/out and rode
It's hard to get annoyed at people who discover a way of eating that makes
them feel much better in many different ways, so I have no beef against the
-- what do you call'ems, those who eschew starch and eat mostly protein and
fat. My own take is that this is just one more example of how people
Dinner tonight: I'd like to hear what others have eaten over the last 32
days. 2 because I can't remember beyond that. I:
Thurs night: big bowl of spaghetti with olive oil, salt, black pepper, red
pepper; 6 pieces of toast with butter. Bad even by my standards, but I
didn't feel like going to the
Today's meal (I love you, Patrick, but I'm not going back 32 days. Grin.):
Breakfast: 2 cups homemade bone broth, licorice root chi tea with grass fed
cream.
brain snack (for when my brain wants something, but I'm not hungry: dark
chocolate (see above post) with chili pepper, coffee. Oddly,
On Friday, November 7, 2014 6:09:30 AM UTC-8, Deacon Patrick wrote:
The grain of today is not the grain of Jesus or Joseph. It has been
selectively bread to withstand bugs and blights and climates, which means
more grows for the same effort, at the price of anti-nutrients that can
wreak
I would invite anyone who is interested in alternative viewpoints to follow
the link provided here and read some of Dr. Guyenet's work. Pay particular
attention to the tasteless liquid through a straw experiment. The
results indicate that something really is different in the brains of obese
Alternative viewpoints to what? Low carb? The standard American diet? I
didn't see any new information there and I saw nothing that refutes a low
carb approach. One reality I've personally experienced, and the science
supports, is that meals high in fat (in my case, 80-90% of calories come
Patrick: how do you explain the Japanese? They are notorious for longevity,
low chronic ailments, and a diet low on bacon and steak and high on rice.
This is a serious question, not a challenge.
On Thu, Nov 6, 2014 at 1:10 PM, Deacon Patrick lamontg...@mac.com wrote:
Alternative viewpoints to
Deacon will answer as well, in his own inimitable manner, but the answer is
obvious: *because they are genetically predisposed to be that way*
Gary Taubes talks about Japan specifically in his writing. There's no
conflict or contradiction or controversy about Japan.
On Thursday, November
Taube's book just gave me, and just about every Japanese, Korean, Chinese,
Thai, East Inidan, and Vietnamese person an excuse to ignore Grant's new
book, since all of our ancestors mainly ate grains--mostly rice, and never
seemed to exhibit pandemic obesity and the chronic diseases that come
Wait, didn't the irish mainly subsist on potatoes, or is that a myth? If
they did, did they have a obesity epidemic, or was the life expectancy so
short that most folks died of something else before they got fat?
Wait, what's the life expectancy of our paleo ancestors?
Franklyn
On Thursday,
Indians, Nepalese, Filipinos, Kenyans (posho), Italians, Chinese, French,
Irish, Polish, pre-modern Europeans, and on and on and on ...
Your answer doesn't work, it seems to me.
On Thu, Nov 6, 2014 at 1:43 PM, Bill Lindsay tapebu...@gmail.com wrote:
Deacon will answer as well, in his own
I'm not totally anti-Taubes and in fact, when I first read his books, I
bought it hook-line-and-sinker but further reading of other viewpoints and
more importantly, actual researchers and experts in the field (Taubes is a
journalist, albeit a very intelligent and physics educated journalist)
Do I detect irony?
Quite seriously: I don't deny that some people have benefited in some ways
from the paleo diet. What I dispute is that it represents a universal
norm. History shows that it does not do so.
I think that we have to look elsewhere for the pandemic of obesity and
chronic diseases
Researchers are now saying that a person could almost live on potatoes
alone and be healthy. They actually have almost all the nutrients
necessary to sustain life. This probably wouldn't work for someone who
already has Type 2 Diabetes but a normal weight person probably isn't going
to get
Patrick,
Excellent question. I know this gets explored and, to my mind, answered in
The Perfect Health Diet -- but the general concept is that the
traditional diet, on Okinawa for example, was very high fat (pork) and some
rice and tubers (safe starches). The newer generation(s) eating less
1. I think a vast array of diets work for different people. Do you agree?
2. I think the reason a vast array of diets work for different people
because people differ. Do you agree?
3. I think a bad combination of Diet x Genetics can have bad results. Do
you agree?
4. I think that the diet
But that doesn't explain the mainstream Japanese diet and the noted
longevity and general health of the mainstream Japanese. Nor the health of
starch eating populations over the greater part of history.
On Thu, Nov 6, 2014 at 2:29 PM, Deacon Patrick lamontg...@mac.com wrote:
Patrick,
This doesn't answer the question! Are you saying that the Paleo diet works
well for a very small number of people?
On Thu, Nov 6, 2014 at 2:32 PM, Bill Lindsay tapebu...@gmail.com wrote:
1. I think a vast array of diets work for different people. Do you agree?
2. I think the reason a vast
I don't know how many people the Paleo diet does not work for. I don't
know how many people get fat on leafy greens and healthy meat. I don't
know how many people cut the sugars and get fatter. I don't know how many
people cut bread from their diet and get fatter. I do know that Paleo is
If we're going to get paleo, let's talk about lifespan. Paleo lifespan was
in the teens - it moved into the 40s with the advent of grain agriculture.
If a diet works for you, more power to you, just don't impale other healthy
people with it.
Let's talk about obesity. It's also paleo. It's
You are right, Patrick. It does not explain it. But it is explainable (and
I think part of the explanation is found in a more accurate understanding
of the mainstream Japanese diet and the actual number of calories they are
getting. They are far closer to paleo than perhaps you are thinking?).
Actually, Paleo is a poor diet description, as it is really an umbrella
that hold a LOT of specific camps. Some paleo embraces white rice and
potatoes and sweet potatoes/yams as a great way to get safe starches
(starches free of anti-nutrients, like found in grains) -- so 2-4 fistfuls
of rice
There is simply too much we do not know to say the paleo lifespan was (pick
your number). This offers some reasons
why: http://www.marksdailyapple.com/bone-dating-life-span/#axzz3IKPGQaXH
and this:
http://www.marksdailyapple.com/life-expectancy-hunter-gatherer/#axzz3IKPtXtv5
There may even be
Well I love candy and chocolate but isn't processed sugar essentially a
poison that our body reacts to when we eat it?
On Thu, Nov 6, 2014 at 4:10 PM, Patrick Moore bertin...@gmail.com wrote:
Do I detect irony?
Quite seriously: I don't deny that some people have benefited in some ways
from
I love honey, eat a few skittles and Mrs. Annie's Pecan brittle. It's not
my diet, but I have a sweet tooth. Part of that is my mother is the best
dessert cook on the planet and wow, her blackberry cobler - my dad grows
the berries in his garden. Bacon - I occasionally buy a few slcies at
as should add my honey is local wild honey - I think it helps me fight
allergies. I could be wrong, and won't write a book about it.
On Thursday, November 6, 2014 4:11:29 PM UTC-6, Ron Mc wrote:
I love honey, eat a few skittles and Mrs. Annie's Pecan brittle. It's not
my diet, but I have
On 11/06/2014 05:02 PM, Deacon Patrick wrote:
There is simply too much we do not know to say the paleo lifespan was
(pick your number).
There never was any such thing as /the/ paleo life any more than there
was a single paleo diet. There were many different paleolithic life
styles and many
another thing I don't get. If people are out running, riding bikes, etc.
to be healthy, burn calories, increase their metabolism, why at rest stops
do they pump down gummies and energy drinks?
On Thursday, November 6, 2014 4:11:29 PM UTC-6, Ron Mc wrote:
I love honey, eat a few skittles
Why do most folks lump chocolate with sugar? I love chocolate. We make our
own with coconut butter, butter, vanilla, ceylon cinnamon and cocoa powder.
No sugar required. Deep, dark, rich, ridiculous silky deliciousness. Grin.
With abandon,
Patrick
On Thursday, November 6, 2014 3:05:42 PM
Come on Deacon, you know most people don't go and make their own chocolate,
if only. at 50 hours a week with kids and all the other crap I am luck to
get time to drive and buy a damn chocolate bar, haha. I kid but I think
this touches on another issue with any change in eating habits-time and
Agreed, Peter. Hence part of the sin of grain subsidies. But the cost of
healthy food is far less than it at first may seem. When we factor in the
direct savings in dental costs and chronic health issues for which our
family took various medications like allergies, sinus infections, acid
Oh, and a five minute batch of chocolate lasts me three months and costs a
fraction of what a three month supply of any chocolate bar would cost, let
alone one with 90% cocoa, little to no sugar, all organic, with butter and
coconut oil, soy lecithin free, and I don't know what all else even
I agree, but you are talking about long term savings over short term costs,
for a lot of people on a fixed income the only options are short term. What
this country needs is more access to fresh foods, in that way I miss the
city, where you can go buy fruit or veggies from all around the world at
Patrick,
I take it you are going to leave us with a list of ingredients but no
recipe? While I admit I like a bit of experimentation, I'm pretty sure I'd
mess it up. So...um...just what is that recipe again?
Aloha,
Bob
On Thu, Nov 6, 2014 at 12:36 PM, Deacon Patrick lamontg...@mac.com wrote:
Hear hear, I do love dark chocolate, umm really all chocolate..
On Thu, Nov 6, 2014 at 5:42 PM, Robert F. Harrison rfharri...@gmail.com
wrote:
Patrick,
I take it you are going to leave us with a list of ingredients but no
recipe? While I admit I like a bit of experimentation, I'm pretty
Och! Right. Sorry lads! Most cruel of me. My wife cooks like I run and
ride: by feel. So she doesn't measure and has no written recipe. I asked
for her best guess and she said:
1 cup: Cocoa butter/coconut oil/butter/ghee in preferred combo totaling 1
cup melted. Coconut oil/butter/ghee
Cost wise, we know several families of 8 who are paleo who spend $1k a
month on food (but they don't do organic or grass fed/wild caught). But
their kids are not yet teens. We have a teen and tween and two youngers and
our budget is higher than that. We also buy only organic and grass fed/wild
THERE IS ONE GROK. KNEEL BEFORE GROK!
I guess squat before Grok would make more sense.
Anyways.
-J
On Thursday, November 6, 2014 2:13:32 PM UTC-8, Steve Palincsar wrote:
On 11/06/2014 05:02 PM, Deacon Patrick wrote:
There is simply too much we do not know to say the paleo lifespan was
My son is on a ketogenic diet for seizure control, so I know a fair amount
about the mechanics of ketosis.
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/11/21/magazine/21Epilepsy-t.html?pagewanted=all_r=0
I tried an Atkins variation last year. It worked well, but it was hard for me
to maintain. I quit after
I've been doing this diet since the middle of August, and I've lost 21
pounds to date. My main reason for adopting the diet was to lose weight,
and increase my level of fitness. My weight made exercise awful because of
knee and joint pain. I don't recall any particular difficulties during
I started low-carb diet on Sunday 10/26, at 195# dressed for work. I
clicked over when Grant blogged that fat accumulating on the outside is an
indicator of things going on inside. So far the change has been relatively
easy - one grocery trip, some low blood sugars (like 47, 50, 53, 57)
I've been cutting back on carbs for about four years. I watched the Gary
Taubes videos recorded by Grant a couple months after they were posted on
Youtube. Still kicking myself for not attending in person. After watching
the videos, I decided to read Good Calories, Bad Calories. That book
I need to lose weight quickly as a requirement for a hernia operation. The
hospital suggested a low carb diet, which I tried. One month later I had
lost twenty pounds from 191 to 171. The diet was hard for me as I drink at
least one coke a day with a chocolate bar, I love pasta, and all kinds
I've lost 20 lbs since June.
I have read some of Grant's blog from his new book and I have read Just
Ride. He has many good points
What works for me: no carbs.No toast or grains for breakfast. Milk has lots
of sugar. I'll eat 2 scrambled eggs with some chopped turkey and onions.No
more Friday
I lost 30 lbs doing a modified whole 30. I cut out all grains, dairy (which
I rarely ate anyway) and sugar. But the best thing that happened was that
my asthma disappeared. I stopped using my advair and rescue inhalers. I've
been asthmatic for 25 years! After the 1st month I planned to go back
David,
I replied off list. Let me know if you didn't get it (I know it can be
squirrelly sometimes). I forgot to mention, but my wife reminded me that it
also cured by acid reflux and allergies/sinus issues I'd had for years.
With abandon,
Patrick
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Thanks for the info. I'm trying to strike a balance really, and I do enjoy
cooking and baking and am glad there are alternatives recipe-wise. That is
one of the things that has kept me from trying things is that I really
enjoy cooking and would need to come up with new flavorful meals. Not a bad
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