Follow up with my observatin' on the clamping area. The VO is significantly
smaller clamping area @
28mmhttp://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/5361538616/in/photostream/end
to end. The Nitto
has 40mm http://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/5360925369/, Thomson
42mm
Hi all. I've updated my Flickr set of the Berthoud saddle so that it
now includes shots of the saddle mounted on my Quickbeam, with and
without the Berthoud saddlebag. This way, folks can refer to them in
order to judge for themselves whether the plastic aspects of the
saddle are too prominent for
Butts are like opinions. Everyone has one and they're all different.
It's a great thing that between Cardiff/VO, Brooks, Berthoud and
others we have great choices of saddles. Plus, since there's always
someone looking for a new saddle to try it's easy to jettison failed
experiments. (like my VO
Goes on my interwebs wisdom list.
All I'll ever need to know about finding the right seat.
-JImD
On Jan 12, 2011, at 8:52 AM Jan 12, 2011, Justin August wrote:
Butts are like opinions. Everyone has one and they're all different.
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From a very crude look at the VO seatpost on their website, it seems
like it has significantly less setback than the Nitto. There's also
that issue, a-la-G.P, 'if you're gonna put that much setback in, it
better be steel'. This post basically took my Quickbeam from an 'off-
the-rack' feel to
The ~10mm I moved my seat back really has helped with my set up. I'm
limited to a Dirt Drop stem for the height I need on my AR, and it's
always been too short in reach. The VO setback makes it much more
comfortable. I don't think I'm using the full extension of setback
(14mm), so hopefully
It's a little unclear just how much setback the Nitto lugged seatpost
has. Rivendell says it has 15mm more than the Crystal Fellow, and on
AEBike's website, it says that the Crystal Fellow has 14mm of setback,
so that would imply that the lugged seatpost has around 30mm of
setback.
That's the
I like the look and feel of the B17S. I looked at the Berthoud also
but I couldn't get past the $200 price tag and aesthetically I don't
find them pleasing. When I see them the first thing I see is plastic.
They remind of the faux leather saddles my lbs carries. They have a
lot of plastic on them
I got one of those for Xmas, and really like the two bolt design. I am
worried about the clamping area as it seems much narrower than a Nitto,
Thomspon, or brand X clamp. Seems like it could concentrate vibrations over
a smaller area and lead to fatigue on the saddle rails. Time will tell...
I fleshed out my feelings on the berthoud saddle a little mre here:
http://wp.me/p19mfs-bB
or
http://oceanaircycles.com/2011/01/10/giles-berthoud…view-14-months/
Bottom line is I love these saddles, the only thing keeping me from
owning more is a temporary speed bump in the cash flow.
Rob
On
Great review Rob.
A natural/steel Berthoud Touring saddle is now on its way to me and I'll
soon find out if I'll be keeping it and putting all my almost new B-17
saddles on sale or sending it back. Wallinford's 6 month return guarantee is
great to try such an expensive saddle.
Stay tuned... :-)
Mike: don't use your saddle position to adjust your bar position; do
it the other way 'round: get your saddle right and then get the stem
you need for the right bar position.
This will solve your saddle problem by, perhaps, transferring the
problem to the stem -- the last (Salsa) custom stems
Oh heck, since I refer to it so much, here is that section entire:
The Fore-Aft Saddle Position
Now we get to what I think is the most important part of fitting a
bicycle, the fore-aft position of the saddle. Once you get this right,
everything else is easy. This position is determined more by
It's not the customer's fault if the saddle breaks or bends when
being pushed back as far as it will go. If S-A does not want anyone
doing it, they should make the adjustable part of the rails shorter.
Jay Hartman
On Sun, Jan 9, 2011 at 12:49 AM, Bill M. bmenn...@comcast.net wrote:
Mike,
On Jan 8, 9:49 pm, Bill M. bmenn...@comcast.net wrote:
Bent Frame Wire - A small number of saddles have been replaced in the
past two years due to frame wire bending during a ride. These first
happened exclusively with mountain bike riders doing extreme riding.
...
They aren't kidding. Ask
No Bomba in my stable!
It didn't take anything extreme, just having the saddle too far back,
a seatpost clamp that didn't support the rails properly (an old
American Classic) and my 180 lb body were enough to bend the rails.
As I said, I bent them back and I still ride the saddle, but with a
Well, based on that near-certainty of bent rails based on what I want
to do, it seems another $150 Nitto S-84 seatpost B17 combo is in
order for me. It is strange that S.A would design rails that lend
themselves to failure-inducing experiments, but I'm glad I can learn
from experience.
Life
It's a problem with the saddle's design.
If they don't want it pushed that far back, then they should
make it so it does not go that far back.
Say I came up with some new big water bottle that still fit
in a regular cage, but could hold a gallon of water.
Then I sold a bunch of them and some of
That's a lot to copy, but I like where the thinking leads. I think of
a nice position by visualizing a skier photoshopped onto a bicycle.
For any amount of tuck, there is an equal amount of rump behind the
feet as there is to body in front.
I don't care about the racer's position stuff.
On Jan 9,
My question is, put delicately, how many, if any. like the Berthoud because it
is French, and, how many dislike it because it is French. Anyone?
JimP
Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2011 10:10:11 -0800
Subject: [RBW] Re: Saddle comparison - Brooks B17 vs. Berthoud Touring
From: leec...@gmail.com
I had several Ideale 90A (?) saddles back in the 1980s. Had
them mounted on a Merz custom tourer and a Santana tandem.
Sadly, my best buddy and neighbor did not care for the Ideale
and placed his Brooks on the stoker's seat post.
Loved the saddle, but the break-in to break-down period was
much
Hey Rene. I just got mine in. Here's a brief visual comparison of the
saddle vis-a-vis a B-17 Champion Special:
http://tinyurl.com/23eyb8o
I've been slowly accumulating parts to upgrade my distance bike. The
Aspin will replace a Selle An-Atomica, which will go to my saddle-less
camping/utility
Rene,
B17s work very well for me. I first bought one from early Rivendell
back in 1995 for my Robin Hood 3speed
http://www.flickr.com/photos/79695...@n00/3993215438/in/set-72157607471577085/
After a few years, I realized it was the most comfortable saddle I had
ridden, and bought another for my
pm, jim phillips thefamil...@hotmail.com wrote:
My question is, put delicately, how many, if any. like the Berthoud because
it is French, and, how many dislike it because it is French. Anyone?
JimP
Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2011 10:10:11 -0800
Subject: [RBW] Re: Saddle comparison - Brooks B17 vs
comparison - Brooks B17 vs. Berthoud Touring
From: leec...@gmail.com
To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
Joel and Clayton:
I noticed that the rails appear a bit narrower on the Berthoud Aspin
than on a B-17. Did you have to force the rails out a little to get it
to fit your
Yes it would... :-)
Sent from my iPhone 4
On Jan 7, 2011, at 4:10 PM, Montclair BobbyB montclairbob...@gmail.com wrote:
Rene:
If the Berthoud works out, COULD this mean you may have a veritable
arsenal of B17s available for sale??? (tee hee hee)
Bobby I've already bought a B17 from Rene
I'm also one of the apparent minority who tried a Berthoud, and found
it uncomfortable, even on reasonably short rides--25 miles. The
material and build quality is amazing and I was disappointed that the
comfort didn't match all the other exceptional qualities of this
saddle.
I have B-17's in
. like the Berthoud
because it is French, and, how many dislike it because it is French. Anyone?
JimP
Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2011 10:10:11 -0800
Subject: [RBW] Re: Saddle comparison - Brooks B17 vs. Berthoud Touring
From: leec...@gmail.com
To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
Joel
I just bought a Selle An-Atomica LD Clydesdale saddle, mainly because
it was on sale for $133 and I'm intrigued by the design and that it's
MUSA. I'm wondering if I may have made a mistake by choosing this
saddle over the Berthoud, which I considered but deemed not worthy of
the higher cost.
I've
Also, an issue in my saddle selection is fore-aft adjustment. I wanted
to try the Selle An-Atomica because it seems it can mounted much
further back than a B.17, which I need on the bike it is for that has
a too-short top tube. I would rather have the problem solved by a
saddle than another $150
Mike,
The S-A can indeed be mounted pretty far back, but the mfg warns
against it:
Bent Frame Wire - A small number of saddles have been replaced in the
past two years due to frame wire bending during a ride. These first
happened exclusively with mountain bike riders doing extreme riding.
The
On Fri, 2011-01-07 at 06:24 -0800, Christian wrote:
I have direct experience. While my B-17 was very comfortable it did
not last. I wore it out in about 4500 miles--it started sagging to
one side and became asymmetrical. So, it was really comfortable until
it wasn't. I have heard from
Few things in life bring a smile to my face like a good discussion
about the B17... 100+ year-old design, millions of miles... says an
awful lot.
Bobby more B17s than Imelda Marcos has shoes Birmingham
On Jan 7, 9:32 am, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote:
On Fri, 2011-01-07 at 06:24 -0800,
On Fri, 2011-01-07 at 06:46 -0800, Montclair BobbyB wrote:
Few things in life bring a smile to my face like a good discussion
about the B17... 100+ year-old design, millions of miles... says an
awful lot.
There's all sorts of evolution that's happened in the past 100 years,
but asses haven't
I could never get comfortable on a B-17 or any of the Fizik saddles so
tried the Berthoud more out of desperation than anything. Right out
of the box I had an opportunity to do an ~500 mile trip. No
discomfort at all.
As for appearance, I prefer Berthoud to the Brooks. The Berthoud
shape is
On Fri, 2011-01-07 at 08:12 -0800, JoelMatthews wrote:
Unless you have an Ideale that has been well maintained - or stored in
optimal conditions - it is not going to be as comfortable, work as
well, or last as long as a modern Brooks or Berthoud.
I had an Ideale when it was new and it wasn't
I had an Ideale when it was new and it wasn't as comfortable and didn't
work as well as a B.17. It was one of those with the integral wide
aluminum rails and the built-in micro-adjusting clamp.
My favorite Ideales are the 4 and 6 (the lightly sprung city
saddles). I think the aluminum frame
I have been using b.17s for while, but got frustrated when I burnt through
my last one in 7 months and went ahead and purchased a Berthoud touring
saddle.
I have only been using it for 2 months now but so far so good. It is a
little narrower than a b.17 but not in a bad way. Still has enough
room
Joel and Clayton:
I noticed that the rails appear a bit narrower on the Berthoud Aspin
than on a B-17. Did you have to force the rails out a little to get it
to fit your seatpost clamp? What seatposts have you tried with the
Apsin?
Thanks,
Lee
San Francisco, CA
On Jan 7, 9:42 am, Clayton Scott
Rene,
I have been outlining a writeup myself on this subject, looks like
Lovelybike beat me too it. I think you and I are in a similar size
class, 6'2 220 lb, so some of my thoughts may carry over.
I bought my Berthoud well over a year ago and have moved it around on
different bikes. My other
Yes, just mount and tighten clamp.
On Fri, Jan 7, 2011 at 10:10 AM, Lee leec...@gmail.com wrote:
Joel and Clayton:
I noticed that the rails appear a bit narrower on the Berthoud Aspin
than on a B-17. Did you have to force the rails out a little to get it
to fit your seatpost clamp? What
A customer came in the shop a few months back with a Berthoud on his
Surly LHT. I aked if I could try the saddle out and he let me take his
bike around the block a few times. The saddle -- which ahd about 300
miles on it by then -- was a bit flat for my liking, and a tad
narrower than the B-17.
I noticed that the rails appear a bit narrower on the Berthoud Aspin
than on a B-17. Did you have to force the rails out a little to get it
to fit your seatpost clamp? What seatposts have you tried with the
Apsin?
Lee:
The rails may be more narrow.
One Berthoud is mounted on a CLB post. I
Only reason I wouldn't try a 200 dollar saddle is if I can't return it. It
looks to me to be a very well made comfortable saddle that has a benefit if
you buy thier saddle bags too.
I would also out of desperation try it if I didn't have comfortable saddles
now.
Kelly
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On Fri, Jan 7, 2011 at 2:50 PM, Kelly Sleeper tkslee...@gmail.com wrote:
Only reason I wouldn't try a 200 dollar saddle is if I can't return it. It
looks to me to be a very well made comfortable saddle that has a benefit if
you buy thier saddle bags too.
I would also out of desperation try
Thanks for all the responses. I'm ordering one tonight to try it. I
like the B17 except for its nose up position to prevent sliding
forward. Always thought it should be flatter.
Seems like the Berthoud Touring might make me completely happy.
René
Sent from my iPhone 4
On Jan 7, 2011, at 1:54
Rene:
If the Berthoud works out, COULD this mean you may have a veritable
arsenal of B17s available for sale??? (tee hee hee)
Bobby I've already bought a B17 from Rene Birmingham
On Jan 7, 6:47 pm, Rene Sterental orthie...@gmail.com wrote:
Thanks for all the responses. I'm ordering one
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