[sage-devel] Re: Web page looks pretty poor compared to Mathematica's

2009-05-28 Thread ahmet alper parker
Why not ask the users to give their opinions about the web page they use like did you find what you are looking for?, could you please rate this page?, or marketing research questionnaires like which mathematics software you use?, what would you like to see at web page? etc...? On Wed, May 27,

[sage-devel] Re: Web page looks pretty poor compared to Mathematica's

2009-05-28 Thread ahmet alper parker
Also, why not give them some real life example for why to use a free/opensource program instead of a commercial one. I think this is far more important then money. In example, one of a professor at my university has written a program on a language which has no support now. And everything he has

[sage-devel] Re: Web page looks pretty poor compared to Mathematica's

2009-05-28 Thread Dr. David Kirkby
ahmet alper parker wrote: Also, why not give them some real life example for why to use a free/opensource program instead of a commercial one. I think this is far more important then money. In example, one of a professor at my university has written a program on a language which has no

[sage-devel] Re: Web page looks pretty poor compared to Mathematica's

2009-05-28 Thread Anthony David
On Thu, May 28, 2009 at 10:25 PM, ahmet alper parker aapar...@gmail.com wrote: Also, why not give them some real life example for why to use a free/opensource program instead of a commercial one. I think this is far more important then money. In example, one of a professor at my university

[sage-devel] Re: Web page looks pretty poor compared to Mathematica's

2009-05-27 Thread Dr. David Kirkby
ahmet alper parker wrote: Anyone know any technical paper about ergonomic and/or functional/aesthetic development/design of a web sites? Why not do it more scientific? :) FWIW, I used to meet someone on the train to work, who lived near me and worked at the same uni as me. As part of his

[sage-devel] Re: Web page looks pretty poor compared to Mathematica's

2009-05-27 Thread Michael Brickenstein
Well, if you want to know, what's possible look: http://www.csszengarden.com/ Michael On 27 Mai, 11:42, Dr. David Kirkby david.kir...@onetel.net wrote: ahmet alper parker wrote: Anyone know any technical paper about ergonomic and/or functional/aesthetic development/design of a web sites?

[sage-devel] Re: Web page looks pretty poor compared to Mathematica's

2009-05-27 Thread Keith Clawson
I like the site the way it is. I've been translating many of the pages into Russian, and the great thing about the design is the simplicity. The source html reads more or less like LaTeX to me in that all the commands are meaningful and transparent. As far as the content, I think it is important

[sage-devel] Re: Web page looks pretty poor compared to Mathematica's

2009-05-26 Thread Dr. David Kirkby
Kwankyu wrote: Hi, The Sage website looks pale and gloomy to me. That's what I feel - it needs brightening up somewhat. But I don'like Mathematica's website either. Fair enough. These things are very subjective. Also I want to express my opinion again here that I don't like the Sage

[sage-devel] Re: Web page looks pretty poor compared to Mathematica's

2009-05-26 Thread Dr. David Kirkby
Regarding ideas for improving the site, I'm not afraid of change. If this whole discussion ends with everything is fine now, let's do nothing, than I'll be disappointed. I'm sure our site isn't optimal, and even if it was optimal one year ago when Harald rolled it out, there is no harm in

[sage-devel] Re: Web page looks pretty poor compared to Mathematica's

2009-05-26 Thread Harald Schilly
On May 26, 9:17 am, Dr. David Kirkby david.kir...@onetel.net wrote: whereas the sage site has 14 errors. to my defese, two of them are not really valid errors and should be warnings and the remaining 12 are the snippet from mailhide.recaptcha.net .. obviously they provided an erroneous code. i

[sage-devel] Re: Web page looks pretty poor compared to Mathematica's

2009-05-26 Thread Harald Schilly
On May 26, 1:10 am, William Stein wst...@gmail.com wrote: Is this right:  (1) edit ~/www2-dev/www/*  (2) Run the script go_live.sh in www2-dev yes, and before you do (2) you can always check your changes in the ./ sandbox/ subdirectory. see ~/www2-dev/README.TXT Also, I'll add something to

[sage-devel] Re: Web page looks pretty poor compared to Mathematica's

2009-05-26 Thread Michael Brickenstein
I think the web page is very nice. By the way: If there are problems with cross browser CSS, then a CSS framework like tripoli might help. Michael --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ To post to this group, send email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this

[sage-devel] Re: Web page looks pretty poor compared to Mathematica's

2009-05-26 Thread Dr. David Kirkby
Harald Schilly wrote: if someone finds something odd on any of the other pages, please tell me. the main reason for using xhtml 1 transitional is, that it can be made valid (in contrast to xhtml 1 strict) and at the same time be used across all browsers and rendered correctly! Sometimes

[sage-devel] Re: Web page looks pretty poor compared to Mathematica's

2009-05-26 Thread ahmet alper parker
Anyone know any technical paper about ergonomic and/or functional/aesthetic development/design of a web sites? Why not do it more scientific? :) On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 11:33 PM, Peter Jeremy peterjer...@optushome.com.au wrote: On 2009-May-23 11:09:09 +0100, Dr. David Kirkby

[sage-devel] Re: Web page looks pretty poor compared to Mathematica's

2009-05-26 Thread Ronan Paixão
I'm no expert in design, but from what I can get from my personal feel: from the Mathematica site, what I think called the attention of the OP is that it's red. Simply as that. From the wikipedia page on Marketing (which by the way seems pretty informational): Requirements of a good

[sage-devel] Re: Web page looks pretty poor compared to Mathematica's

2009-05-26 Thread Jan Groenewald
Hi On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 06:33:16AM +1000, Peter Jeremy wrote: On 2009-May-23 11:09:09 +0100, Dr. David Kirkby david.kir...@onetel.net wrote: http://www.wolfram.com/products/mathematica/index.html and then comparing it to http://www.sagemath.org/ one would have to say the Mathematica

[sage-devel] Re: Web page looks pretty poor compared to Mathematica's

2009-05-25 Thread Dr. David Kirkby
Harald Schilly wrote: On May 24, 3:14 pm, Gonzalo Tornaria torna...@math.utexas.edu wrote: Here's a 5 minute hack of something along those lines:http://sage.math.washington.edu/home/tornaria/sagemath.png sorry, for me, that's just ugly. i tried to find more colors thaat fit together

[sage-devel] Re: Web page looks pretty poor compared to Mathematica's

2009-05-25 Thread Justin C. Walker
On May 25, 2009, at 04:00 , Dr. David Kirkby wrote: BTW, http://sage.milnix.org/ does not appear to be alive. I noticed that a day or so ago, and it is still dead. I've lost track of where and when milnix.org arose, but it looks like the system is awake. It's just not listening for

[sage-devel] Re: Web page looks pretty poor compared to Mathematica's

2009-05-25 Thread Skylar Saveland
I think you guys have it pretty well covered but let me just say +1 to mathematica page making me nervous +1 I don't like flash either +1 the sage page is nice. ... Maybe if there was some sort of cms/videos it would be great. I had no idea that the whole thing was static. Maybe tack a little

[sage-devel] Re: Web page looks pretty poor compared to Mathematica's

2009-05-25 Thread William Stein
On Mon, May 25, 2009 at 1:02 PM, Justin C. Walker jus...@mac.com wrote: On May 25, 2009, at 04:00 , Dr. David Kirkby wrote: BTW, http://sage.milnix.org/ does not appear to be alive. I noticed that a day or so ago, and it is still dead. I've lost track of where and when milnix.org arose,

[sage-devel] Re: Web page looks pretty poor compared to Mathematica's

2009-05-25 Thread William Stein
On Mon, May 25, 2009 at 4:06 PM, William Stein wst...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, May 25, 2009 at 1:02 PM, Justin C. Walker jus...@mac.com wrote: On May 25, 2009, at 04:00 , Dr. David Kirkby wrote: BTW, http://sage.milnix.org/ does not appear to be alive. I noticed that a day or so ago, and

[sage-devel] Re: Web page looks pretty poor compared to Mathematica's

2009-05-25 Thread Kwankyu
Hi, The Sage website looks pale and gloomy to me. But I don'like Mathematica's website either. Also I want to express my opinion again here that I don't like the Sage logo (but I like Cython's logo very much). Perhaps what I don't like is the science fiction-ish glyph. I wish someone artistic

[sage-devel] Re: Web page looks pretty poor compared to Mathematica's

2009-05-24 Thread Gonzalo Tornaria
On Sat, May 23, 2009 at 7:43 PM, Dr. David Kirkby david.kir...@onetel.net wrote: But the Mathematica page is also much more aesthetically pleasing. The use of nice colours helps - I'm not convinced using only blue and black is a good idea. IMHO, the sagemath.org webpage is very nice and

[sage-devel] Re: Web page looks pretty poor compared to Mathematica's

2009-05-24 Thread Harald Schilly
On May 24, 3:14 pm, Gonzalo Tornaria torna...@math.utexas.edu wrote: IMHO,  the sagemath.org webpage is very nice and lean, but a little bit too plain wrt colors, and a lack of contrast. In addition, the border  color (around the white box with the actual content) is too bright, which draws

[sage-devel] Re: Web page looks pretty poor compared to Mathematica's

2009-05-23 Thread Jason Grout
Dr. David Kirkby wrote: Taking a look at http://www.wolfram.com/products/mathematica/index.html and then comparing it to http://www.sagemath.org/ one would have to say the Mathematica one looks much better. I've designed a few web sites: http://witm.sourceforge.net/ But

[sage-devel] Re: Web page looks pretty poor compared to Mathematica's

2009-05-23 Thread Timothy Clemans
On Sat, May 23, 2009 at 6:37 AM, Jason Grout jason-s...@creativetrax.com wrote: Dr. David Kirkby wrote: Taking a look at http://www.wolfram.com/products/mathematica/index.html and then comparing it to http://www.sagemath.org/ one would have to say the Mathematica one looks much better.

[sage-devel] Re: Web page looks pretty poor compared to Mathematica's

2009-05-23 Thread Dag Sverre Seljebotn
Dr. David Kirkby wrote: Taking a look at http://www.wolfram.com/products/mathematica/index.html and then comparing it to http://www.sagemath.org/ one would have to say the Mathematica one looks much better. The Mathematica one looks like every other commercial software website out

[sage-devel] Re: Web page looks pretty poor compared to Mathematica's

2009-05-23 Thread Jan Groenewald
Hi On Sat, May 23, 2009 at 04:47:51PM +0200, Dag Sverre Seljebotn wrote: The Mathematica one looks like every other commercial software website out there. The glossiness kicks me instantly into a mode of trying to skip the marketing hype, meaning I hardly read any of it. I might not be

[sage-devel] Re: Web page looks pretty poor compared to Mathematica's

2009-05-23 Thread simon . king
PS: On 23 Mai, 19:34, simon.k...@uni-jena.de wrote: Hence, it might be a good idea to make it clearer that SAGE IS ABOUT MATHS, FOLKS! This might be achieved by Eye Catchers: Some nice graphics; some icons illustrating what a link links with (e.g., a mini- screen-shot of the notebook for a

[sage-devel] Re: Web page looks pretty poor compared to Mathematica's

2009-05-23 Thread Harald Schilly
On May 23, 6:43 pm, bump b...@match.stanford.edu wrote: I have one constructive comment, which is that one gets misled in looking for the documentation. There are two buttons... Well, you know, two points for my defense: I'm not a native speaker and these things evolved over time. i.e. help

[sage-devel] Re: Web page looks pretty poor compared to Mathematica's

2009-05-23 Thread Harald Schilly
On May 23, 7:34 pm, simon.k...@uni-jena.de wrote: 2. Provide a direct link to the FAQ on the main page. Actually it took me a while to find them. I thought about that, but my feeling is that the wiki faq page (do you mean that one?) has very poor quality. i just looked there and old things

[sage-devel] Re: Web page looks pretty poor compared to Mathematica's

2009-05-23 Thread Dr. David Kirkby
Jason Grout wrote: I think we have a very competent web designer that has done an outstanding job (you should see the old web page!). I think what we need now is marketing ideas! The big difference I see in a short glance between the two pages is that the MMA one screams I AM MATH

[sage-devel] Re: Web page looks pretty poor compared to Mathematica's

2009-05-23 Thread Marshall Hampton
I would just like to second this - exchange help and documentation. -M. Hampton On May 23, 11:43 am, bump b...@match.stanford.edu wrote: I agree that the sage web page is good, and preferrable to the mathematica page. I have one constructive comment, which is that one gets misled in

[sage-devel] Re: Web page looks pretty poor compared to Mathematica's

2009-05-23 Thread Serge A. Salamanka
simon.k...@uni-jena.de wrote: Hi! On 23 Mai, 18:43, bump b...@match.stanford.edu wrote: I agree that the sage web page is good, and preferrable to the mathematica page. These are things that the Mathematica web site has. On the other hand, these are exactly the things that I DO NOT

[sage-devel] Re: Web page looks pretty poor compared to Mathematica's

2009-05-23 Thread J Elaych
I just want to make sure to add my vote: I think the Mathematica page sucks, for reasons that have already been posted here. I decided to adopt Sage after the new page was up, but I remember the older page and can tell you that the new one is a big step forward. It really makes Sage look like