Candice: My sentiments exactly...which is why in the first place I said we
should be achieving Super Intelligence on an individual level
Er that's interesting - because there doesn't seem to be much interest here in
the future of human nature as distinct from AGI's. I personally think we'll
candice schuster wrote:
Which down the line Richard is why I asked for a technical thesis on how
you propose this entire theory of yours is going to work. Until that
'blueprint' so to speak is mapped out then it's fantasy !
Well, there are many, many other people who have worked out the detai
On 10/24/07, Mike Tintner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> If you look at what I actually wrote, you'll see that I don't claim
> (natural) evolution has any role in AGI/robotic evolution. My point is that
> you wouldn't dream of speculating so baselessly about the future of natural
> evolution, why spe
candice schuster wrote:
LOL ! You make me laugh Richard...in a good way that is.'' I have a
bad feeling about this discussion, really I do.''
If it's a discussion why would you have a bad feeling about it ? The
point at hand is discussion, not bad feelings. I am joking now though
as I
On 10/24/07, Mike Tintner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Every speculation on this board about the nature of future AGI's has been
> pure fantasy. Even those which try to dress themselves up in some semblance
> of scientific reasoning. All this speculation, for example, about the
> friendliness and e
Which down the line Richard is why I asked for a technical thesis on how you
propose this entire theory of yours is going to work. Until that 'blueprint'
so to speak is mapped out then it's fantasy !
Candice> Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 15:14:31 -0400> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]> To:
singularity@v2.
LOL ! You make me laugh Richard...in a good way that is.'' I have a bad
feeling about this discussion, really I do.''
If it's a discussion why would you have a bad feeling about it ? The point at
hand is discussion, not bad feelings. I am joking now though as I am purposely
using your
Mike Tintner wrote:
[snip]
When you and others speculate about the future emotional systems of
AGI's though - that is not in any way based on any comparable reality.
There are no machines with functioning emotional systems at the moment
on which you can base predictions.
When the Wright bro
If you look at what I actually wrote, you'll see that I don't claim
(natural) evolution has any role in AGI/robotic evolution. My point is that
you wouldn't dream of speculating so baselessly about the future of natural
evolution, why speculate baselessly about AGI evolution?
I should explain
[With apologies for cross-posting]
A question for you all
Over the last several years I have assembled a lot of material on topics
like:
- The "Bright Green Tomorrow" idea that I mentioned yesterday, about
what the world might be like after the singularity
- The Friendliness issue (
YOST Andrew wrote:
Easy Richard, Matt's ideas, as well as yours, are thought provoking and
worth serious consideration.
Andrew Yost
Fair comment: my goal is not to squash anyone else's ideas just for the
sake of it.
But I do have a real concern: it is very, very easy for people to
destr
Easy Richard, Matt's ideas, as well as yours, are thought provoking and
worth serious consideration.
Andrew Yost
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From: Richard Loosemore [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2007 9:33 AM
To: singularity@v2.listbox.com
Subject: Re: Bright Green Tomo
candice schuster wrote:
Hi Richard,
Without getting too technical on you...how do you propose implementing
these ideas of yours ?
In what sense?
The point is that "implementation" would be done by the AGIs, after we
produce a blueprint for what we want.
Richard Loosemore
-
This li
candice schuster wrote:
BRAVO Mike ! My sentiments exactly...which is why in the first place I
said we should be achieving Super Intelligence on an individual
levelwe are like Andrew mentioned too Organic Robots. I still find
myself pondering on Richard's last post however, I also find my
You could start by noticing that I already pointed out that evolution
cannot play any possible role.
I rather suspect that the things that you call "speculation" and
"fantasy" are only seeming that way to you because you have not
understood them, since, in fact, you have not addressed any of
This is a perfect example of how one person comes up with some positive,
constructive ideas and then someone else waltzes right in, pays
no attention to the actual arguments, pays no attention to the relative
probability of different outcomes, but just snears at the whole idea
with a
At 07:09 AM 10/24/2007, XAV wrote:
I would be interested to know if there are a group of PhD students
researching this field or other discussion forums that would help me
to formulate my research question. I am more in the philosophical
approach rather than the programing side of AI due to the
I would be interested in hearing about anything you discover, Xavier.
The consulting firm I am with is currently forming a virtualization group and I
am contemplating joining.
Ben, I am working with Tyler Emerson right now to get something published
around AI & business. If you are interested
Ben Goertzel wrote:
> [...]
> [P]erhaps you could focus on the environment rather
> than the AI itself, and you could design a learning
> environment for AI systems in virtual worlds.
"Write a doctoral dissertation,
trigger a Singularity" is the subject at
http://mentifex.virtualentity.com/e
Another related suggestion is to create social-psychology simulations in
virtual worlds...
Standard social-psych sim games like stag hunt,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stag_hunt
tragedy of the commons,
http://www.enviroliteracy.org/pdf/materials/1132.pdf
etc. could be implemented in a virtual
hello Ben
Many thanks for your reply and ideas
Regards
Xav
Benjamin Goertzel wrote:
Hi,
Right now, doing any serious AI stuff in virtual worlds definitely
requires
some serious programming
However, here is one suggestion: perhaps you could focus on the
environment rather than the AI
Dear Mike,
Human evolution would have to be towards ever higher levels of fitness.
However, given our rather slow reproductive cycle and the relative proximity
of the singularity I do not think that even one more generation - ~25 years
- will come and go before the inefficient optimization mechani
btw...
An alternative to SL might be Metaplace, which seems to have a more solid
software architecture, but it's still only in alpha so I can't say for sure
how useful it will be...
ben
On 10/24/07, Benjamin Goertzel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
> Hi,
>
> Right now, doing any serious AI stuff
Hi,
Right now, doing any serious AI stuff in virtual worlds definitely requires
some serious programming
However, here is one suggestion: perhaps you could focus on the
environment rather than the AI itself, and you could design a learning
environment for AI systems in virtual worlds. For in
On 10/24/07, Mike Tintner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Every speculation on this board about the nature of future AGI's has been
> pure fantasy. Even those which try to dress themselves up in some
> semblance
> of scientific reasoning. All this speculation, for example, about the
> friendliness a
Hello
My name is Xavier, doing a Part time PhD in the UK. I am currently
register with the Creative Media department. I have just recently
started and did not yet come up with a research question, still need to
read more. But I have narrowed down my interests with embodiment in
virtual worlds
Hi Richard,
Without getting too technical on you...how do you propose implementing these
ideas of yours ?
Candice> Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 20:28:42 -0400> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]> To:
singularity@v2.listbox.com> Subject: Bright Green Tomorrow [WAS Re:
[singularity] QUESTION]> > candice schus
Wild idea ? Far from it I would say...that is evolution evolving...bit like
Emotional Intelligence !
Subject: RE: [singularity] QUESTIONDate: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 15:05:57 -0700From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]: singularity@v2.listbox.com
Candice and others,
Here's a wild idea:
Simply because we a
BRAVO Mike ! My sentiments exactly...which is why in the first place I said we
should be achieving Super Intelligence on an individual levelwe are like
Andrew mentioned too Organic Robots. I still find myself pondering on
Richard's last post however, I also find myself wondering does Rich
Every speculation on this board about the nature of future AGI's has been
pure fantasy. Even those which try to dress themselves up in some semblance
of scientific reasoning. All this speculation, for example, about the
friendliness and emotions of future AGI's has been non-sense - and often
fr
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