Re: [RCSE] 2-meters suck....??? Sure they do, but they do look Cool??!?!? Well some do....

2005-02-11 Thread Klaus Weiss
The annual 2m discussion time on RCSE. Lots of good TD pilots, just can't afford to buy the molded and composite gliders flown by the 'extra good' glider pilots. I know at least that is the case in Australia. We have a very successful 2m TD comp series here, which is well attended and a lot of f

Re: [RCSE] Manfred Radius/H101 Salto from Toronto

2005-02-11 Thread Mike Reed
Manfred has done his airshow act here in Medford, Oregon several times. I talked with him for about half an hour and determined he is certifiable. Usually the end of his beautiful aerobatic routine is topped off with an inverted ribbon cut about 25 feet off the ground and then he pulls the nose up

[RCSE] I'll be at Swasa this weekend...sort of :-)

2005-02-11 Thread GordySoar
Those of you attending beware :-) Gordy Vegas..with my wife this weekend

Re: [RCSE] Bling Bling 2m

2005-02-11 Thread Steve Schneider
Jim, How did you shrink the Icon? On Fri, 11 Feb 2005 20:22:33 -0600, James V. Bacus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hey, you guys wanna see a cool 2m? > > Here's a picture of it amongst normal sized models... > http://www.jimbacus.net/blog/2004/images/miniicon.jpg > > Fully molded, custom painted

RE: [RCSE] Contests & 2 M class

2005-02-11 Thread glide
Aloha Clarence and mahalo for your views on the present diatribe of the two meter class and contests. I used to have a fun time flying here on the island of Maui at the various get-togethers the local glider club had each month in which the club called "fun fly's". Two meter planes, especially th

[RCSE] Nats Planning, 2M, and All the Rest

2005-02-11 Thread Marc Gellart
In reading the posts concerning 2M, Nats and such, a few comments concerning the planning philosophy for 2005 are in order. Yes, Tom Kallevang and I talked about some possible changes, but with the change of start date that AMA Management decide upon, we decided to make the minimum change we could

Re: [RCSE] Bling Bling 2m

2005-02-11 Thread James V. Bacus
I just used the wing tips and left out the center panel... 8-) At 09:19 PM 2/11/2005, Steve Schneider wrote: Jim, How did you shrink the Icon? Jim Downers Grove, IL Member of the Chicago SOAR club, AMA 592537LSF 7560 Level IV ICQ: 6997780 AIM: InventorJim R/C Soaring blog at www.jimbacus.

Re: [RCSE] 2M and such

2005-02-11 Thread Peter
Hi Daryl Would 1.9meter and a T-tail be better.!!! Peter" RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.

[RCSE] 2M and such

2005-02-11 Thread Daryl Perkins
Ok, OK I give. I was just mucking around. Here come the disclaimers: I don't personally enjoy flying 2M. But whatever somebody enjoys flying is great! Please have at it - fly it. I started with a SIG 2M Riser myself. NATS - I fly 2M for one reason. Cuz it's there. I fly 2M once a year - in

Re: [RCSE] Bling Bling 2m

2005-02-11 Thread James V. Bacus
I had you totally in mind when I had this painted. When you look down the flightline and easily notice me in your group, you'll be able to chuckle and think "landing" instead of "time". 8-) At 08:49 PM 2/11/2005, you wrote: <> H guess you really should've done better... ;-) D _

[RCSE] Lunch Zagi race at Fresno?

2005-02-11 Thread mpodder
Hi all Would anyone be interested in having a Zagi race at lunch, Saturday, April 2 at the Fresno classic? If there is interest I could contact the CD to find out if it would be ok. I made a preliminary contact with Zagi and they said that they might donate something for the prize. This would

Re: [RCSE] Bling Bling 2m

2005-02-11 Thread Daryl Perkins
<> H guess you really should've done better... ;-) D __ Do you Yahoo!? The all-new My Yahoo! - What will yours do? http://my.yahoo.com RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" request

[RCSE] Bling Bling 2m

2005-02-11 Thread James V. Bacus
Hey, you guys wanna see a cool 2m? Here's a picture of it amongst normal sized models... http://www.jimbacus.net/blog/2004/images/miniicon.jpg Fully molded, custom painted, completely JR digital, definitely the most BLING BLING 2m at Nats in 2005. 8-) Jim Downers Grove, IL Member of the Chicago

[RCSE] Manfred Radius/H101 Salto from Toronto

2005-02-11 Thread Simon Van Leeuwen
http://www.voy-tech.net/Videos/other2/sailplane.wmv Simon Van Leeuwen RADIUS SYSTEMS PnP SYSTEMS - The E-Harness of Choice Cogito Ergo Zooom RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubs

[RCSE] Contests & 2 M class

2005-02-11 Thread Clarence Ashcraft
As I read the various post's about contests and two meter class.  I sit and scratch My head and wonder why did some of you get into this hobby.  With all the bitching being done here about two meter class it would make someone feel that you only care about what you fly. And You wonder why it

RE: [RCSE] Gliding Ants

2005-02-11 Thread eholt
The Space Shuttle has a better glide ratio. They remind me more of a skydiver controlling the direction of his freefall. These gliding ants are very cool, though it would appear that their glide ratio is pretty bad. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "

Re: [RCSE] Jet assisted Sailplane

2005-02-11 Thread Bill Malvey
On 2/11/05 17:05 John Derstine wrote: > Jet assisted towplane > > http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=327913 I love it. Put a turbine on a Pegasus and then "experiment" with crap props?? Zingers?? Wow. Have they tried using real props? Mejzlik? Menz? Airmodels?? Biela?? ~

RE: [RCSE] Jet assisted Sailplane

2005-02-11 Thread John Derstine
Jet assisted towplane http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=327913 Endless Mountain Models http://www.scalesoaring.com email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > -Original Message- > From: Simon Van Leeuwen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Friday, February 11, 2005 8:08 PM > To: 5-Soaring

[RCSE] Jet assisted Sailplane

2005-02-11 Thread Simon Van Leeuwen
http://www.usamt.com/videos/Jet%20Glider.wmv http://www.silentwingsairshows.com/video/twinjet_1.wmv http://www.jetsoveruae.com/video/Viper_crash.wmv Simon Van Leeuwen RADIUS SYSTEMS PnP SYSTEMS - The E-Harness of Choice Cogito Ergo Zooom RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "

Re: [RCSE] 2-meters suck....???

2005-02-11 Thread Peter
Well hell no... To make it even more fun the right plane on hand helps. The weapon of choice has to be a Lawicki 2meter Duck... out floats, out launch, out land all (except for Darrel's.. dam what ever he flies). Peter" RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscrib

Re: [RCSE] Gatherings & formats

2005-02-11 Thread Chuck Anderson
At 09:20 AM 2/11/2005, Joe Wurts wrote: There are two aspects to why people go to events. One is the serious side, the competition. The other is the social side, the fun and cameraderie. If the focus is on the competition, it seems that the event declines in participation. If the focus is on th

Re: [RCSE] Don't get me wrong - I have nothing against 2 Meter.

2005-02-11 Thread Jack Iafret
Out of the woodwork again. I was 2M CD last year and signed up for the job again this year (unless someone else wants it) because I don't fly 2M any longer and have given away or sold my 2M ships. This gives me an excuse to come to the NAT's early and BS with the fellow flyers and get into the N

[RCSE] Tug engines for sale

2005-02-11 Thread George Voss
I've run into a number of excellent condition, used gas engines from 3 to 4.2 ci's. I've got a total of 7 engines. There are 2 Webra Bullies, and the rest are mainly A&M Sachs and most have C&H ignition, which are worth $125 by themselves, making engine cost as low as $175 each. They all put out

[RCSE] Don't get me wrong - I have nothing against 2 Meter.

2005-02-11 Thread Howard Mark
Hey I don't give a rats patoot if you guys want to fly 2 meter or run loose in the street naked if that makes you feel better. Just don't force me to join in. The only gripe I've got is that the LSF for some inane reason (known only to God and few mortals) sticks 2 meter in the middle of what is

RE: [RCSE] 2-meters suck....??? Sure they do, but they do look Cool??!?!? Well some do....

2005-02-11 Thread Douglas, Brent
We still fly 2-Meter here in Dayton, prior to our unlimited club contests... Mostly we do it to humor Jerry; he just loves that 2M Super V. Really, it's scary. Is it 5 yet? RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [RCSE] 2-meters suck....??? Sure they do, but they do look Cool??!?!? Well some do....

2005-02-11 Thread Flying High
I'm glad Les and Rick are my buddies!!! 2M Rules Open class is for lame ducks! Edgar "The Soaring Jukie" P.S. Just having fun while at work... you know... the boring thing I do to kill time until the weekend :-) --- Rick Eckel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Anybody who flies 2-meter is a

[RCSE] F/S 2m. Enigma

2005-02-11 Thread Guy Delort
NIB 2m. Enigma, from NSP. Vtail red/blue/lite purple w/hardware. $315.00 shipped CONUS, upon receipt of your PMO. Please contact me direct at: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TIA. guy. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Pl

[RCSE] 2-meters suck....???

2005-02-11 Thread Aradhana Singh Khalsa
>I'm looking forward to seeing all these strong online 2m advocates at the Nats 2m contest this year.< I'll step up out of lurker mode. ;) With a little success building this spring, my son and I will fly the Nats 2-meter class. Looking forward to it. I hope nothing makes 2-meter go away. 2M is wh

Re: [RCSE] 2-meters suck....???

2005-02-11 Thread James V. Bacus
I'm looking forward to seeing all these strong online 2m advocates at the Nats 2m contest this year. Jim Downers Grove, IL Member of the Chicago SOAR club, AMA 592537LSF 7560 Level IV ICQ: 6997780 AIM: InventorJim R/C Soaring blog at www.jimbacus.net RCSE-List facilities provided by Mod

Re: [RCSE] 2-meters suck....???

2005-02-11 Thread Rick Eckel
Particularly well said Mr. Grammer!!! Rick At 10:57 AM 2/11/2005, Les Grammer wrote: Oh, ow! ow! ow! ow! ow??!!! I've sat here on the sidelines for what, 4 years now, watching sporadic attacks on 2-meter. "Just grin and bear it" has been my mantra. But now, our national champ comes out and s

Re: [RCSE] 2-meters suck....??? Sure they do, but they do look Cool??!?!? Well some do....

2005-02-11 Thread Rick Eckel
Anybody who flies 2-meter is a friend of mine! Anyone who dislikes 2m I just don't get. Thanks Rick At 11:35 AM 2/11/2005, Flying High wrote: 2M pilots do need more friends! RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] P

Re: [RCSE] Re: 2 Meter???

2005-02-11 Thread Tim Engel
Intolerance isn't very attractive. By choice, I prefer to fly larger planes. But sometimes circumstances make it inconvenient to drag a large plane along, so it's nice to have a smaller plane as well. I have a selection of planes with spans from 148" down to 70", and when I'm flying I alway

[RCSE] annual 2 meter diatribe

2005-02-11 Thread AMA3655
I like to fly 2 meter planes. They are indeed a bit less efficient, but they have a much better roll rate. The bottom line is that they are FUN TO FLY, just like my Icon, and my Ava, and my Photon, and my Tensor. I fly for FUN and 2 meters are FUN. You can do stupid tricks with them that an un

[RCSE] Re: 2 Meter???

2005-02-11 Thread RegDave
Before we trash 2M entirely, Les made some good points. - Newbies almost always show up with a 2M, - It's a neat little compact size for fun flying and low level work, - It doesn't take nearly as much paraphernalia at the field to have a good time, - A used HLG/DLG fits the 2M class - try

Re: [RCSE] Re: 2m4ever

2005-02-11 Thread junk1
. Considering ever-shrinking fields and reduced access to the great wide open spaces of our youth, if anything, the Big Plane Craze is probably the one that will lapse as impractical, With the advances in radio sizes, batteries and e-power, you can have an electric powered glider for the same wei

[RCSE] Re: 2m4ever

2005-02-11 Thread MSu1049321
I can remember a time when 2 meter was the vast majority, and open was a 'freak' class for a few iconoclasts. All my conventional gliders were/are in the 2m size range. To me they are nearly the optimum of size and flyability versus compact transportability, all on a budget within the grasp of

[RCSE] Dihedral affects upon wing span and area

2005-02-11 Thread Tim Engel
If a wing is built to some span dimension in the flat, then buy the time dihedral is dialed in, the projected span is something less. It follows then, that the projected area of a finished wing with dihedral is less than in the flat. The numbers quoted for kits & plans usually reflect the fla

[RCSE] FS - RD El Bandito w/DIS-51-DIA-3ph

2005-02-11 Thread Simon Van Leeuwen
NIB, just not scale enough for me. First $750 takes... Radius Systems Cogito Ergo Zoom RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format wi

[RCSE] Brand New F3J *** FAZER *** Ready to ship

2005-02-11 Thread Lenny970
New in box Fazer for sale...Yellow/Red.  $1150 shipped.     http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=303255     Thanks, Lenny Keer RMSA, Colorado    

[RCSE] It must be something in the water...

2005-02-11 Thread Bob Johnson
I can't believe what I'm reading! :) First one of the 'great ones' suggests that 2m is an event that is something less than ideal. Then another great one suggests that soaring should be fun. A third proposes that every round be a 10 minute task. Is it the water, or just GPS? The next thing you k

[RCSE] Vancouver WA Pilots

2005-02-11 Thread George Voss
I need some assistance from a pilot in Vancouver WA.  Please contact me direct at [EMAIL PROTECTED]

[RCSE] FS: RTF AeroMod MiraJ F3F

2005-02-11 Thread PDX Slope Pilot
Selling a RTF AeroMod MiraJ built by Brian Courtice. Never crashed, like new condition. 2 Hitec hs-85mg aileron servos, 2 hs-81 elevator servos, 1 hs-225 flap servo included. This plane retails for $545 (if you can get one), and a kit will take you 15+ VERY frustrating hours to build. The servo

[RCSE] Ed Whyte please ping me back

2005-02-11 Thread GuyR
Hi Ed need those big red stabs will take measurements this weekend. Thanks, Guy Russo RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format w

Re: [RCSE] The muddy field of copying

2005-02-11 Thread Tord Eriksson
On Thursday 10 February 2005 17.10, you wrote: > >When the Russians stole the general arrangement plans > > of the Concorde > > A more charitable interpretation of this is that both the Russian and the > English/French teams had similar problems to solve with similar tools so > they came up wi

Re: [RCSE] What's your favorite contest/gathering format?

2005-02-11 Thread Mike Smith
I would not agree with that until one fundamental element was changed. The Landing Zone. While in/out zones make for quick and easy scoring, they add a significant luck factor to the overall outcome of the event. I know, I have won Visalia, and the Nats. And have come away with the thought, "

[RCSE] Re: "Got Blaster? Send fuse servo photo!"

2005-02-11 Thread Dangerous James
Hey there Marta. How goes the Blaster flying. I have the same set up you have. Only I am using the DS4.7's and the JR NES-241's in the fuse. Looks Like I'll be there on the 10oz side. What kind of receiver did you use? James :cool: -- Dangerous James --

RE: [RCSE] Gliding Ants

2005-02-11 Thread RegDave
Thanks guys, very interesting. My wife is an environmental biologist and she thought this was so neat I might even get the OK for a new plane!   - d

Re: [RCSE] 2-meters suck....??? Sure they do, but they do look Cool??!?!? Well some do....

2005-02-11 Thread Cal Posthuma
WMSS (formerly the GVRC) has had a Two Meter Championships for over 25 years. This Summer it is on August 20-21 near Grand Rapids Michigan. It has always been a MON on Man event. It inspired the Nats MOM format. Just ask Jim Thomas or Mike Stump. By the way Jim Thomas email me as I lost you

[RCSE] Canopy Latch Needed

2005-02-11 Thread pilotfrank
Hi list, does anybody know where I can quickly get a Hatch Latch like hobby-lobby's part # HLRE001 http://www.hobby-lobby.com/hatchlatch.htm I need it soon and don't know if they could ship it quickly enough to California. Thanks, Frank RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Sen

Re: Re: [RCSE] 2-meters suck....??? Sure they do, but they do look Cool??!?!? Well some do....

2005-02-11 Thread ssallenbach
I agree. 2m suck. So I am offering my services to any of you out there that feel the same way. I will be more than happy to purchase your used organic 2m off of you and dispose of it properly. You shouldn't have to go through the pain of owning one anylonger. This can be a discrete transaction

Re: [RCSE] 2-meters suck....??? Sure they do, but they do look Cool??!?!? Well some do....

2005-02-11 Thread John Erickson
Edgar, You just gave me an idea for flying 2 meter. I have a number of hand launch planes just sitting around, including my original Photon. It's good looking enough to qualify. Let's see, a little tape on tow hook, a baby sized skeg and voila, I've got an 11 ounce (undersized) 2 meter. JE --

[RCSE] 2-meters suck....??? Sure they do, but they do look Cool??!?!? Well some do....

2005-02-11 Thread Flying High
Les and Craig get my vote on 2M flying. THEY MAKE YOU A BETTER TD PILOT for the bigger stuff!!! Too bad you don't see many contest with 2M class these days, just like the standard class that has come and gone... flying the shorter wingspan stuff does sharpen your skills, another reason why I've i

[RCSE] F3J in the Rockies -- ONLINE REGISTRATION AVAILABLE

2005-02-11 Thread Howard Mark
Rocky Mountain Soaring Association -- Denver, Colorado PRESENTS F3J in the Rockies May 28-29, 2005 CD Mark Howard ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Full rules F3J contest - the ONLY exceptions are: 1. Scores will be carried into the flyoff rounds. 2. 4 man team protection. 3. Flyoff rounds Sunday afternoon

[RCSE] RE: Why not 2Meter?

2005-02-11 Thread Howard Mark
Title: Re: Why not 2Meter? Re: [RCSE] What's your favorite contest/gathering format? Thanks Daryl,   I rest my case.   Seriously - to be competitive in 2M you have to have a decent airplane (there are notable exceptions but most of us aren't them). For MOST of us this special 2M pla

[RCSE] 2-meters suck....???

2005-02-11 Thread Les Grammer
Oh, ow! ow! ow! ow! ow??!!! I've sat here on the sidelines for what, 4 years now, watching sporadic attacks on 2-meter. "Just grin and bear it" has been my mantra. But now, our national champ comes out and says 2-meter's suck?? Ow, oW OW!!! How many of you got started with a 2-meter? When

RE: [RCSE] What's your favorite contest/gathering format?

2005-02-11 Thread John Diniz
Check is in the mail! John -Original Message- From: Daryl Perkins [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2005 7:27 PM To: soaring@airage.com Subject: Re: [RCSE] What's your favorite contest/gathering format? I only have one issue with the MOM format as it currently scored

[RCSE] Gatherings & formats

2005-02-11 Thread Joe Wurts
The details of serious contesting has been gone over ad infinitim here in the past, so I won't reiterate my views... But, I'll give an example of a great gathering of people for soaring that I participated in last weekend as an example of a fun weekend. Last week I headed down to Brazil, the seco

[RCSE] F3J US Team Trials?

2005-02-11 Thread targetdrone
Is the Nats F3J being used as the team trial this year or is there a separate event? Wiggle your sticks David Judson RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must

[RCSE] Launching in MOM

2005-02-11 Thread Marc Gellart
John, You are right about psuedo sandbagging that can occure in MOM, especially when you are launching a large group, BUT! Dayton is who started this MOM craze with our part of the world, and they use to have simultaneous (within a 10 second window), and there is some bad scenes there too. I

Re: [RCSE] What's your favorite contest/gathering format?

2005-02-11 Thread Dana Flemming
Daryl Perkins wrote: <>>   Reminds me of '02 when i E.D.'d the Nats, and we went to the landing circle instead of the long tra