The LSF page has all the Level V achievers and when they completed then.
http://www.silentflight.org/LSF_Base/achievers.htm
Bob Champine was the first to do Level V twice.
http://hometown.aol.com/GRC6431/myhomepage/
And Don Harris has three.
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For both of these Gentlemen, this is an accomplishment!!! Congrats!!!
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For both of these Gentlemen, this is an accomplishment!!! Congrats!!!
But, what's the encore?
Darwin N. Barrie
Chandler AZ
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From: "Jeff Steifel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2006 4:33
I think Don Harris may have done it three times... Way to go Don.. And
Cal Posthuma twice... Way to go Cal.
Now for those who complain the program is too hard, Cal has done it in a
wheel chair, with limited mobility.
Cal truly is one of the great Soaring Pilots, even without the program
his co
Cal Posthuma
LSF VV
I know of no one else who can call himself an LSF X. (I wonder how many
there are)
Friends, this means something to me. Does it mean anything to you? Lets stop
arguing over LSF.
Bill Swingle
Janesville, CA
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Hi All:
I've already started getting e-mails from folks out there in glider-land
...
PLEASE - I did not write anything about Cal or his accomplishments
...
Cal sent me his writeup and asked that I forward it to RCSE ...
I did ...
If any one has any comments, please direct them to
Wrong Pepper, Don Harris has done it three times, and mostly with either wood or bagged ships. He is working on it again, that what happens when you retire.
Marc
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In a message dated 9/14/2006 5:03:03 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
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Yes, the first time I used a
Windrifter and Sagitta. The second time I used Sapphire and
Sailaire. I did use a Walt Good snffler on 10 k and two hour both
times. I am working on Level V fo
>...Seems like the people that can afford a quiver full of moldies don't want the wood workers to have anything to work for> ...I want to check into something that I can complete with my wood airplane==I believe Cal Posthuma has achieved Level V TWICE with a hand-built wood airplane.
If its not about changing the LSF, then the title of the discussions should be "New Soaring Program" not "LSF Discussion". I think that will bring focus to the discussion fia seperate class is what is truly desired.
JayOn 9/14/06, CapnCrunchie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
For all the late commers of
gards,
Bob Johnson
Fond du Lac, WI
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From: Jeff Steifel [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2006 10:53 AM
To: dharban; rcse
Subject: Re: [RCSE] LSF Discussion
Ok, I won't point and shoot. But the argument is weak about the pick up
or sun roof.
Of course that was the point of the movie, it was all about the
journey... just like the current LSF program.
At 04:39 PM 9/13/2006, Tom Broeski wrote:
I watched a neat movie on the World's fastest Indian (Burt Munro a NZ
motorcyclist who had to travel to Bonneville to have a place to set the
The ICON? ;-)
At 04:55 PM 9/13/2006, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Oh well, life ain' t Perfect, but there is one plane out there now that's
pretty close :-)
Jim
Downers Grove, IL
Member of the Chicago SOAR club, and Team JR
AMA 592537LSF 7560 Level IV R/C Soaring blog at www.jimbacus.net
RC
"I'm in support of ANYTHING that furthers or promotes the sport. I will
still finish my LSF in the old way, new way, anyway - doesn't matter. I
will participate in any new task format LSF or not. I will not discourage
anyone from trying new ideas. I will not attack them for trying to present
n
From: Jeff Steifel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Ryan, is it your intention to have me draft the program?
No, I just thought you might throw out a few ideas of tasks that you think
could be worthy. Other folks have done the same (like Don Stackhouse's
suggestion of a dawn till dusk thermal fli
Gordy’s babbling again; the poor
lost soul must be stuck in some godforsaken flea-bag motel room munching on stale
pizza and washing it down with warm beer. The life of a traveling salesman ain’t
all glamour, hey Gordy. J
Regards,
Bob Johnson
From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto
I may be wrong (probably am), but perhaps some of the unease in the world could
be mitigated by one little change in the LSF rules, without changing any tasks
at all.
The rules say: "requirements for the subsequent Levels may be achieved any time
after the previous Level form has been postmark
Why on earth would anyone be satisfied to be an LSF Sportsman Level V when
you could be a 'real' LSF Level V with just a little more dedication and
perseverance?
I found this segment of the hobby about eight years ago. I joined my local
club and I learned that they enjoyed distant contests and
do it.
T
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From: Bob Johnson
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Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2006 4:52 PM
Subject: RE: [RCSE] LSF Discussion
At no point in my post did I suggest or imply that the current LSF Level 1
be replaced; I merely asked if the list o
eff Steifel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Ryan Woebkenberg" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2006 4:47 PM
Subject: Re: [RCSE] LSF Discussion
Damn I did it again. I'm sorry, I didn't realize that this was private. I
thought I hit reply ins
current LSF Level 1 or any
other part of the current LSF program.
Regards,
Bob Johnson
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Sent: Wednesday, September 13,
2006 1:56 PM
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Subject: Re: [RCSE] LSF
Damn I did it again. I'm sorry, I didn't realize that this was private.
I thought I hit reply instead of reply all, so I added RCSE back.
This IS a public apology for going public on something that should have
been private.
And for everyone out there Please put PRIVATE on the TOP line of your
I was thinking the same thing. The first LSF task is perfect. If you spend your time getting to know your plane, then doing LSF I should be a breeze. I also think the first task goes what it should do and that's intice people to participate. If it was an overtly difficult first task, I wouldn't
In a message dated 9/13/2006 1:39:07 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
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Would
you perceive the following to be a set of tasks that is at least
asdifficult as LSF Level 1?
Whyinhell do we NEED a replacement for Level I?! - did you mean Level
II? If so, the short answ
Ryan, is it your intention to have me draft the program?
I'm sorry I won't do that. Smarter people than myself came up with the
original program.
I feel the current program is like the US Constitution. It is very good.
It holds up under time.
It isn't perfect, but what is? But on the other han
: Wednesday, September 13, 2006 10:53 AM
To: dharban; rcse
Subject: Re: [RCSE] LSF Discussion
Ok, I won't point and shoot. But the argument is weak about the pick up
or sun roof. Go rent a convertible. Others have done it.
The goal and return on a short course doesn't mimick the tas
Ok, I won't point and shoot. But the argument is weak about the pick up
or sun roof. Go rent a convertible. Others have done it.
The goal and return on a short course doesn't mimick the task. The air
could be great on the short course because of the landscape. The long
course is truly challengin
What is the point of entering a contest if you do not want or try to
win. The fun develops from that desire and ambition. If we end up
losing and can only have fun if we won, then we do not know the true
meaning of competition.
Chad
I think that's what is wrong with so many current cont
In Boy Scouts you have to earn various merit badges to advance to the
different levels of achievement.
How ever in each of the merit badge books you have a list of
requirements you must completed to earn that merit badge.
Usually about 7 or 8 steps. 3 or 4 of the steps are required but their
ar
Well put Jim, my sentiments exactly.
At 11:13 PM 9/7/2006, Jim Porter wrote:
> Pat McCleave wrote:
> Once again you are missing the point, it is not so much about changing the
current system > as it is about adding a separate system to the fold for
those pilots who do not choose or
> do not have
At 11:13 PM 9/7/2006, you wrote:
These DO NOT have to be a blood and guts type of contest, merely an
opportunity to fly together, thereby learning from each other and improving
the overall skill level. When the other local flyers see how much fun is
being had they will join in, even if they KNO
> Pat McCleave wrote:
> Once again you are missing the point, it is not so much about changing the
current system > as it is about adding a separate system to the fold for
those pilots who do not choose or
> do not have the means to travel to the big contests in order to complete
the list of tasks.
"replacing competition requirement with non-competition tasks that provide a
comparable level of challenge and skill development"
To re-create a "comparable level" to a competition there would have to
be a task that required you to launch on a specific day, at a specific
time, regardless of condi
Steve,
If we had that kind of achievement program we would have to have Level X for
Gordy.
See Ya,
Pat
S Meyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> It just occurred to me that a good explanation of why some want a
> "New" achievement program may be the same reason that involvement by
> new
It just occurred to me that a good explanation of why some want a
"New" achievement program may be the same reason that involvement by
new blood is diminishing. Nobody has any time to enjoy
themselves. The 40 hour work week is gone and if you get more than 2
weeks vacation consider yourself
Steve makes some really good points here.
We were already traveling on weekends 100's of miles just to go fly with
others, the LSF tasks didn't start us off on that.
We didn't get our contest task points at home because we have a big club,
we had to go on the road for those points because the
I started traveling to Ohio, Indiana, and Kentucky to attend
contests. First it was because that was where the HL contests were
at. Now mainly TD contests. It was not just for the LSF points, I
met some great guys along the way, learned a lot from all the
different people, and had a lot of f
:54 PM
To: S Meyer
Cc: RCSE
Subject: Re: [RCSE] LSF Discussion
Here is my comment on this subject.
Not everybody can be a Level V, otherwise there would be no reason to
attain it. No reason to change rules so more can reach the
apogee. Next they will want a handicap system for world competition
Steven,
Once again you are missing the point, it is not so much about changing the
current system as it is about adding a separate system to the fold for those
pilots who do not choose or do not have the means to travel to the big contests
in order to complete the list of tasks. Funny thing is
Here is my comment on this subject.
Not everybody can be a Level V, otherwise there would be no reason to
attain it. No reason to change rules so more can reach the
apogee. Next they will want a handicap system for world competition.
The few the proud...
I aspire to be a level V.
Steven
.
See Ya,
Pat McCleave
Wichita, KS
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From:
Jack Iafret
To: Pat McCleave
Cc: RCSE
Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2006 7:16
PM
Subject: Re: [RCSE] LSF Discussion
I have stayed out of this foray but will offer only one
clarification. When you
I have stayed out of this foray but will offer only one clarification. When you talk about the planes of yor, we all flew those. Today we all fly what is out there today so the competition is just as meaningful as it was 20 years ago.
It is not moldies against woodies but the playing field is still
clubs.
IMHO
TB
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From: "Rick Eckel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Chip Willis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "'James V. Bacus'"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "'RCSE'"
Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2006 9:45 AM
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Hello Chuck!!!AMEN!!!cheersJim
On Wed, 6 Sep 2006, Ben Wilson wrote:
mean "new people", but also some "new ideas" - and I'll give an ear to just
about anyone who has an idea that might help me put more people in my club
and more planes in the air.
(Young) people are unaware that such thing as R/C soaring exists. It might
At 11:08 PM 9/5/2006, you wrote:
OK, probably most members of RCSE are aware of it but, for those who
aren't, a good discussion concerning the LSF is taking place in
"Sailplane Talk" on RCGroups. Both members & non-members of the LSF
may find it interesting.
Here we go again with the same ol
006 8:56 AM
To: RCSE
Subject: Re: [RCSE] LSF discussion
I've read it all before...
A guy looks at the LSF task set and they seem daunting so he figures he
will redesign them.
Instead of actually joining LSF and figuring what its all about its much
easier to attack it from the computer on the
That is about the Best Summation I have ever read.
Great Job Jim.
chip
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From: James V. Bacus [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2006 8:56 AM
To: RCSE
Subject: Re: [RCSE] LSF discussion
I've read it all before...
A guy looks at the LSF tas
Actually, having read through a majority of the thread, I don't see him
as attacking the LSF. He says again and again that he respects the LSF
system, but is looking for something that isn't so dependent upon
contests. It's something that even I've heard repeatedly, and I've only
been running
I've read it all before...
A guy looks at the LSF task set and they seem daunting so he figures he
will redesign them.
Instead of actually joining LSF and figuring what its all about its much
easier to attack it from the computer on the forums, e-lists, or where ever
it may get attention. N
"Testing the waters for a different type of LSF"
http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=554577
It's a long one...
Jim Deck wrote:
OK, probably most members of RCSE are aware of it but, for those who
aren't, a good discussion concerning the LSF is taking place in
"Sailplane Talk" on RC
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