At 08:03 PM 27/07/03 -0700, Gary from Terror Trestle country wrote:
I have been told it is and is not possible to R/C my Aster Alisan shay.
I attended Portland's mini layout tour (9 layouts in one day, found 8 within
the time constraints). A SR&RL #24 had very small servos activating
throttle and
> Any recommendations for brand, model, and best units for live steam?
>
Gary -
Although I have not seen the Aster Alisan I have been around RC for many
years. I don't think it should be a problem getting servos in the
size/power you are looking for.
You can take a look at: www.towerhobbies.com
I have been told it is and is not possible to R/C my Aster Alisan shay.
I attended Portland's mini layout tour (9 layouts in one day, found 8 within
the time constraints). A SR&RL #24 had very small servos activating
throttle and reversing lever. While fitting a receiver and battery pack may
pos
Hi Geoff you are right, The Merlin was running very well, you are a
master of the Merlin Hunslet. Keep it well cared for, for me.
Larry
Geoff Spenceley wrote:
You did well Larry!--But you forgot to mention how my BUTANE fired 1985
Merlin Hunslet (soon to be yours!*#!%) ran and ran and ran-It w
Well written Mr Lunkenheimer, I'm glad you came out of the swamps--I
thought the alligators had found you!!
Embalmed? I thought I walked around looking embalmed in DH. But what do you
know--I haven't seen you there for two years!!-
I think I saw an emblamed cockroach on the footplate of a K27!
How many people have been "embalmed" at Diamondhead? Has anyone even found
one dead gnat preserved in formaldehyde at a track?
Keep your steam up!
Mr. Lunkenheimer
;
>I was asked to verify that all of Sir Geoffrey Spenceley's engines are
>alcoholics. that is they burn alcohol. I can state that in fact all of
>his locomotives do burn alcohol. The ones at his house that burn the
>dreaded butane fuel; are in fact mine, right Geoff, and they
>At 10:52 AM 3/17/03 -0500, you wrote:
>> H
>> HC-OH + CuO ---> H C=O + Cu + HOH
>> H H
>>Methanol+Copper (II) Oxide-> Formaldehyde+Copper+Water
>>Chuck
>
>Just as I suspected. :-)
Right!--I learned this in kindergarten. :^r
Geoff..
Dear Chuck,
You can impress the hell out of a guy. I owe you $10.00 for that
formaldehyde course. My specialty is mechanics.
Thank you for sending the information. This e-mail I will not erase.
Arthur-Mexico City
>
>
At 10:52 AM 3/17/03 -0500, you wrote:
> H
> H C-OH + CuO ---> H C=O + Cu + HOH
> H H
>Methanol+Copper (II) Oxide-> Formaldehyde+Copper+Water
>Chuck
Just as I suspected. :-)
Oxidation of primary alcohols produces aldehydes. Methyl alcohol will react
with hot copper(II) oxide to form formaldehyde. This reaction is especially
interesting because of the changes that can be observed in the copper(II)
oxide. Specifically the copper(II) oxide is converted to metallic
At 02:32 AM 3/17/03 EST, you wrote:
>Alcohol fired flames applied to copper produces a formaldehyde gas
To the List Chemists,
How does this happen? It seems to me that some copper would have to be
consumed for this to occur, but them I'm no chemist. And maybe this
explains why
I asked about an oil burner for gauge 1 on one of the large'er' scale
steam lists and was told that the flame path is too long. I guess it's
not possible to get the fuel up to temp fast enough that it will all burn
in the firebox? Flames going into the tubes is a no-no due to the soot
buildup it
we've been promised their demise for
quite some time now!"
>>Response from Ken Shattock: Mr.Moger, Sir: My grandfather's
vaporizing-type denatured alcohol burner is essentially a very shallow
rectangular pan that lies flat within the entire firebox area and is air
tight.
Thanks Bob, that looks like a good project.
Jeff in NC
sh designer of small locomotives. Alcohol fired flames applied to
copper produces a formaldehyde gas which, as many substances, can be lethal
in adequate dosage. Its pungent odor will be objectionable if operated in an
unventilated room. but NO Live Steam equipment should be fired in a closed
a
Steve Shyvers wrote:
> Does the burner in the 1.5" scale shay require preheating before turning
> on the kerosene (or #2 diesel) supply?
I've never preheated the burner. And I don't think it would be very practical
with this burner. But it is an interesting thought.
> If one let the kerosene fl
On the 1 and 1-1/2" kerosene burning locos I've seen, they "start" them by
forcing compressed air through the burners to atomize the fuel. This allows
simply lighting them with a long match or a metal rod with some wick
material soaked in kerosene to get the fire burning. This also forces the
draft
Hi Clark,
Does the burner in the 1.5" scale shay require preheating before turning
on the kerosene (or #2 diesel) supply? The reason I ask is that my old
Primus stoves required that the burner be preheated in order to vaporize
the kerosene. After the burner was alight with vaporized kerosene t
I believe that white gas has some safety and handling issues that are
less problematical with alcohol or kerosene. This may be why white gas
has not been more prevalent as a fuel for our steamers.
Unlike white gas, kerosene won't burn very well at room temperature. As
stated in my last me
Hi Clark,
Does the burner in the 1.5" scale shay require preheating before turning
on the kerosene (or #2 diesel) supply? The reason I ask is that my old
Primus stoves required that the burner be preheated in order to vaporize
the kerosene. After the burner was alight with vaporized kerosene t
Yes my 1.5 scale narrow gauge shay uses kerosene or #2 diesel for fuel. However
the burner is nothing more than a 4 x 6 inch plate with air holes coming through
the bottom and the fuel floods the plate. Nothing at all like a blowtorch. I
still have my dad's blowtorch he used to melt lead used wh
Hi
I was asked to verify that all of Sir Geoffrey Spenceley's engines are
alcoholics. that is they burn alcohol. I can state that in fact all of
his locomotives do burn alcohol. The ones at his house that burn the
dreaded butane fuel; are in fact mine, right Geoff, and they will be
re
To those of the list,
I had mentioned about a year ago, or was it two, that I have a model
traction engine that has a white gas burner. This was built by my
Grandfather about 100 years ago. It still runs fine The burner does roar a
bit but not any worse considering the size than that of some gauge
Thank you Bob, It will make an interesting project.
regards Jeff
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Subject: Re: alcohol vs butane vs white gas
> In a m
In a message dated 3/16/03 1:18:47 PM Pacific Standard Time,
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<< Want to share? >>
Be happy to! I will look for them; they were pre-divorce so they could be in
a box somewhere. When I find them I will scan them
Bob
I have to agree with Geoff. When I went shopping for a new loco I wanted the
challenge of alcohol. My other locos were butane built to the scale of 1 to
20.3 and wanted to stay with that scale. I found that Argyle would build the
SPC #3 with alcohol firing and that is what I got. It helps
Flashing up? Never had that problem with the pack stove. Well, when it did
flash, it was because the throat was not hot and I pumped the fuel tank
causing some liquid gas to pool. Turn it off. Wait for the fuel to burn off
and heat the throat and it works perfectly.
At 10:46 AM 16/03/03, Gary in
adequate water would
be a very vigilant task. Another advantage of alcohol is the flame heat dies
when no blower (or no water/steam exists).
> Have white gas burners like those used in light weight
> back packing stoves been used for locos?
I have long wondered why this hasn't been used. Y
Want to share?
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Subject: Re: alcohol vs butane vs white gas
> In a message dated 3/16/03 11:10:51 AM Pacific Standard
I guess I am thinking of some of the larger scale ones that I have seen.
Clark, your 1" is kerosene, right?
Bob
In a message dated 3/16/03 11:10:51 AM Pacific Standard Time,
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<< He will sell you the plans >>
Gee, I got them for free years ago!
Bob
At 01:46 PM 3/16/03 EST, you wrote:
>It is my understanding that manufacturers have stayed away from white gas
>burners because of the volatile nature of the fuel.
>Bob
For some of us this conjurs up visions of the old brass "blowtorch"
(blowlamp in the UK) which in the US always fueled wit
Ken's post on the message board (SiTG) was for a alcohol burner. posted Jan
7 2003 re: Alcohol Burner revisited
He will sell you the plans
Jeff in NC
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At 10:14 AM 3/16/03 -0700, Vance Bass wrote:
<>
>need to be pumped up to atomize the fuel
Perhaps some variation on an axle pump? To pump air rather than liquid.
John Kowalchuk maker of mutes/horns/canoes/paddles/bikes
Oshawa, Ontario http://home.ca.inter.net/~horn1
Canadians don't su
Oh yeah, Ken Shattock is his son
Bob
It is my understanding that manufacturers have stayed away from white gas
burners because of the volatile nature of the fuel. As far as vaporizing
burners, I thought the prefered fuel is kerosene. Somewhere in my files is
the vaporizer that the man from N Ca, can't remember his name, had in al
I hope not... I'd have to shun my Ruby!!!
Trot, the Insight-driving, fox... ;]
> Hmmm ... now I'm eyeing
> my gas-fired locos and wondering if they're the equivalent of gas-
> guzzling SUVs? Oh, the shame!
>
> regards,
> -vance-
/\_/\TrotFox\ Always remember,
( o o ) AKA
There is one good reason why I prefer alcohol (coal is best of course) over
butane, I believe it is closer to the prototype and a bigger challenge to
steam. A blower is required and the exhaust nozzle is critical too, in
addition to other factors. So it is closer to a coal fired loco than
Vance, I have seen pictures, and articles about "blowtorch burners" used in
some old "tin plate" engines.
I'm not sure but the article may have been by Murry Wilson and printed in
SiTG a few years ago?
Wish I could give more information, sorry.
Jeff in NC
> Have white gas burners like those used in light weight
> back packing stoves been used for locos?
I have long wondered why this hasn't been used. You're right, the
heat content is higher than butane, it's readily available, and while the
storage is a little more complicated than for butane (
At 10:46 AM 16/03/03, Gary in Eugene wrote:
Have white gas burners like those used in light weight back packing stoves
been used for locos? The heat output seems much higher than butane, and the
flame is hot at high altitudes and cold weather (after the burner throat
heats up).
What you are describ
Vance,
Love your mildly cynical comment.
Of course, since our fuel burners are not transporting goods or people we
must be in a special class of hated consumer.
Have white gas burners like those used in light weight back packing stoves
been used for locos? The heat output seems much higher than b
> alcohol can be a pain
I wonder if that has to be? One knock against alcohol is that its flame
isn't as strong in an ambient breeze. Doesn't a JvR Type C boiler (a
sort of half pot-boiler, half single-flue with a firebox) address that
problem?
Regarding wick adjustment proble
There's no question that alcohol is more readily available than the gas
(butane or butane/propane mix that most gas users use), but alcohol can be
a pain. You have to start up with an extra fan. Getting the right wick
material, height etc. can be an even bigger pain. And frankly fr
Gary, there are times when butane is 'kinder" fuel. However it is a little
pricey compared to alcohol. It costs me as much for distilled water as it
does for alcohol when measured in run time. I will boil between 5& 6 gallons
of water with 1 gallon of fuel. But if you look at how muc
My objection to butane firing vanishes once I modify the burner into a
radiant type butane burner.
Alcohol has some nice features, but the contained butane flame appeals to
those running locos in a mall for example.
Gary - Running trains over Terror Trestle in Eugene, Oregon
http
When ever you have an alcohol leak and it is not obvious where it
is, get some baby power or similar and dust the tank or offending
part. Put the alcohol in the tank and look for the damp power. It
works like a champ. I have had small leaks that would not show up
with any other home test
again Dan.
Graham S
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Subject: finding alcohol leaks
> When ever you have an alcohol leak and it is not obviou
An even surer way than those proposed is to do a superb paint job first. Any
alcohol leaks will be clearly indicated by the peeling paint.
Mike (been there, done that.)
Hello All,
I have been firing steamers with alcohol for 23 years and have used most
types. The only burning sensation to eyes and nose I experienced was
because of incomplete combustion from over-rich burning. I never had
clogging problems with S-L-X and started using it because it was clean
In a message dated 09/09/02 3:59:10 PM Central Daylight Time,
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<< What does the alcohol for marine cooking stoves consist of? Can it be used
for our applications? >>
It is an excellent fuel source. One of the secrets of alcohol is to decant
into smalle
Dave,
"alcohol for marine cooking stoves?"
That's what I use in my pot boiler locos. I haven't tried it in a loco that
requires a drafted fire. If marine stove alcohol typically contains a higher
percentage of absorbed water than other sources of alcohol I haven't n
What does the alcohol for marine cooking stoves consist of? Can it be used for our
applications?
Dave Orwig
Me as well Art, please.
Cheers,
Walt Gray
Trent Dowler wrote:
> Art,
>
>If it's not too much trouble, I'd like a copy of it as well.
>Thanks in advance.
>
> Later,
> Trent
>
> > From: Art Walker
> > Subject: Re: Alcohol burners
> >
Art,
If it's not too much trouble, I'd like a copy of it as well.
Thanks in advance.
Later,
Trent
> From: Art Walker
> Subject: Re: Alcohol burners
>
> > Rob van Dort in Holland has done me a little sketch of this & I will
> forward
> > a gif to anyone interested who mails me.
Please send me a GIF of this.
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Thanks
Terry Griner
Columbus Ohio USA
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Subject: Re: Alcohol burners
> Rob van Dort in Holland has done me a little sketch of this & I will
forward
> a gif to anyone interested
Small Parts has 100 mesh SS Screen. I use it in the Mikado for wicks, works
great!
Keep your steam up!
Walt & Lunk
wler wrote:
>
> Hello Everyone,
>
> On my Jane (potboiler with alcohol burner) I formed a small cage of sorts
> to line the area where the burner sits with stainless steel screen both
> along the sides and underneath. Aluminum window screen might work but is
> probably too co
Hello Everyone,
On my Jane (potboiler with alcohol burner) I formed a small cage of sorts
to line the area where the burner sits with stainless steel screen both
along the sides and underneath. Aluminum window screen might work but is
probably too course a mesh to help. It doesn't restric
manufacturer of trains wrote:
>
>
> err Clark
> just what kind of alcohol fueled loco do you run?
> An normal metho steamer will let the fire go out due to the fact that there
> is no draught to draw the fire.
Pot boilers are notorious for scalding paint. As a rule, I onl
Hey Walt,
Referring to a Huricane, storms, heavy rains, and tornados as "tropical
thingies"? You're too tough for me.
Later,
Trent
> Because of the rains we have had from recent tropical
> thingies, steamup was delayed to 7:55 AM to give the mosquitos a chance to
> hide.
reassembled and the loco was readied for a test run for
> Sunday, AM. Because of the rains we have had from recent tropical
thingies,
> steamup was delayed to 7:55 AM to give the mosquitos a chance to hide. The
> safety valve lifted at 8:02 AM and a work train went on a test run. I wa
uel can is opened it starts to rain in the can! Ah well, I know of a great
steamer (hint-a Welshman -doesn't come to this group) who would add 10%
water to the alcohol for certain locos --the Aster GER in particular--says
he never had a fire as some steamers experienced with that loco. I have a
VR Bass wrote:
> Methanol is rumored to be even better, but it's highly toxic and thus very hard
> to find.
Most any automotive speed shop can tell you where the local alcohol
racing guys get their fuel. I get mine from such a source. Around $2.50
a gallon and you bring your own con
A very little bit of baking soda will impart a yellow-orange color. It is the
Na+ ion (sodium) that does it. Table salt would also do it, but the Cl- ions
would produce a mildly acidic reaction, OK if you are using alkaline water,
but distilled should be near neutral.
Keep your steam up!
Walt
Concerning the "invisible" flame of an alcohol wick, I once read somewhere
that the flame can be made more visible by adding some baking soda to the
fuel. Anybody have any information about that?
Casey Sterbenz
>From: Geoff Spenceley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Reply-To:
Richard Finlayson wrote:
> Doing the Aster math on their recommendation for 2m
> radii for the Aster locos I have that comes out to 6' 7". Does anyone
> have any experience actually running on a 2m or 6'7" track with a K4
> or Mikado for instance? I will be space constrained due to my lack
Never
Now I've got the trembles, Phil--25 bucks for a 55gallon drum!!%#*!!--what
parallel universe did you live in. And how old are you really. At those
prices, had 55 gallon drums even been invented!
Geoff from Missouri,
Sigh; Now I know I'm getting old. In my mis-spent youth , we used to get
>this s
visible whatever material I use or how
> packed.
>
> The only time it is invisible is when it spills on the track and burns. My
> next wicks are going to be made out of plastic ties!! I'll fix the
problem!
>
> Geoff.
>
>
>
>
> Chuck, you are now using ethyl a
.
Peter Trounce,
Toronto.
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> From: Richard Finlayson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: Multiple recipients of sslivesteam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: Denatured versus Ethyl Alcohol PLUS track radii
> Date: Thursday, August 24, 2000 12:01 PM
>
> Dan Pantages ha
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>Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2000 9:01 AM
>Subject: Re: Denatured versus Ethyl Alcohol PLUS track radii
>
>
> > Dan Pantages has been running the boarder with the hooch for three
> > years now... we swap for butane and the NSS. Canadian hooch has bee
Yes, I have run my new Mikado on my 7' radius layout and it runs great. Al
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he problem!
Geoff.
Chuck, you are now using ethyl alcohol. "Denatured" means they add
>enough methanol to make you puke if you try to drink it, hence the British
>term
>"methylated spirits" or "meths" for short.
>
>Walt's warning about getting
The manual for my K-4 and Hudson says 3 meter radius. To a S. Florida
"cracker" that translates to 10'. That's why the PETS are basically 10'
inside radius, 11' outside radius.
Keep your steam up!
Walt & Lunk
Dan Pantages has been running the boarder with the hooch for three
years now... we swap for butane and the NSS. Canadian hooch has been
the official meths fuel for the NSS during that time. Sam DiMaggio
will back me up on this: he was operating Dan Liebowitz's new
Southern Mikado on a break
At 5:18 AM -0700 8/24/00, Peter Trounce wrote:
>I believe it is used in camp stoves. Sold in gallon plastic jugs for about
>$5.
Finlayson calls it "Canadian hooch."
;-)
\dmc
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David M. Cole
ed in camp stoves. Sold in gallon plastic jugs for about
$5.
Cheers,
Peter Trounce,
Toronto.
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> From: VR Bass <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: Multiple recipients of sslivesteam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: Denatured versus Ethyl Alcohol
> Date: Thursday, August 24, 20
Chuck, you are now using ethyl alcohol. "Denatured" means they add
enough methanol to make you puke if you try to drink it, hence the British term
"methylated spirits" or "meths" for short.
Walt's warning about getting "pure" ethanol is
Hi,
Just try to get the highest "proof" they have. Absolute ethanol is 200 proof.
Anything else is diluted with water -- thus 100 proof is actually half water
and half ethanol. The less water the better, but the price goes up as the
proof goes up!
Keep your steam up!
Walt
I am using denatured alcohol available in gallon containers from Home Depot
in my engines. It works well. But curiosity has gotten the better of me
and I want to try out some ethyl alcohol available at the pharmacy. This in
NOT Isopropyl, but ethyl which is very different. What are peoples
President - Central New York Large-Scale Railway Society
http://home.twcny.rr.com/cnylsrs
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Subject: Re: Alcohol Firing
> Howe
> However, I have not seen any site that deals from start to finish,
> with the procedures involved with alcohol firing
Chuck,
Roger Loxley of Roundhouse Engineering wrote a little book called "An
Introduction to Alcohol Firing", which is sold in the US by Sidestreet
B
Over the years I have found several sites that talk up the procedures for
firing a butane fired steamer, from lubricating and steam oil to gas and
water. However, I have not seen any site that deals from start to finish,
with the procedures involved with alcohol firing, such as tips to use (wick
Speaking of alcohol, Did you all hear about the big fire down south
that burned up an entire warehouse full of Wild Turkey?? There went a lot of
fuel to waste.
Ah, home sweet home! Where tha cops and tha' bootleggers roam!
Trot, the East-Tennessee'en, fox... ;)
At 03:46 PM 05/11/2000 -0700, you wrote:
>Joe Betsko,
>
>I have fired live-steamers with alcohol for 21 years and the best
>alcohol has been S-L-X Denatured Alcoh
Joe Betsko,
I have fired live-steamers with alcohol for 21 years and the best
alcohol has been S-L-X Denatured Alcohol which contains only ethanol
denatured with methanol (methylated spirits or "meths"). This burns
hotter than methanol at a higher vapor pressure, lessening the risk of
Denatured alcohol is generally ethanol (drinking alcohol, or grain alcohol)
with additives to make it non-potable. It is also diluted with water to a
given proof. Everclear is absolute ethanol, almost. It is usually 195 proof
and as soon as you open the container it pulls moisture out of the
Hello!
I bought Klean-Strip S-L-X Denatured Alcohol at Home Depot for $8 and
change. As fuel, the label purports that it is clean burning which the
April GR article on live steam recommends.
Are there any comments on this item?
At Sears, I spotted Zip-It Denatured Alcohol for $5 and change
Thanks for all the replies. It's good to have the knowledge.
Regards,
Joe
Geoff Spenceley wrote: (SNIP)
>
> Joe,
>
> Advantages of alcohol firing:
>
> Here are a few:
>
--
Regards,
Joe Betsko
Pennsylvania USA
Bala Cynwyd Railway: http://jsb.pennsy.home.att.
In windy weather, not all alcohol engines can be run without frying the
paint on the sides of the locos. I have to admit that I do keep a sharp eye
on the water supply on my Roundhouse engine, but I really don't feel that
the added cost of the butane is much of a factor in going butane. It i
butane. Why ?
> Peter Trounce,
> Toronto.
>
> --
> > From: Joe Betsko <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: Multiple recipients of sslivesteam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Subject: Aster & Alcohol
> > Date: Monday, April 03, 2000 8:59 PM
> >
> >
Joe,
Advantages of alcohol firing:
Here are a few:
Nearly all proper alcohol fired locos run more like the prototype
requiring a fan to raise steam to a point where the blower can be used .
When the loco is stationary the blower is used to keep pressure. Much more
like the real thing and more
Sulphur Springs was happy to answer my identical question.
Basically, alcohol has the distinct advantage of having the fire die down if water
supply runs out. When steam pressure drops, the blower ceases to create a draft, so
the fire dies. Pretty neat saftey system. Firing with butane we have to
Joe,
I can only guess that Aster provide alcohol-fired locos because that's what
the customers go for.
They used to have, mainly for the US market, butane fired locos such as the
Hudson and K4, but the great majority have been alcohol from their
beginning.
Alcohol-firing does have advan
Joe Betsko wrote:
> I understand that alcohol offers some advantage over butane in cold
> weather. Are there other advantages?
One advantage is the lack of a roar. Butane engines have a gas jet roar
when the fire is up. You can't hear it when running but when stopped it
is us
Hello!
I note that Aster primarily supplies locos that run on alcohol. Does
anyone know why Aster prefers alcohol? And I'm not taking about
Beefeaters! :-)
I understand that alcohol offers some advantage over butane in cold
weather. Are there other advantages?
--
Regards,
Joe B
>Gary wrote:
>
>
>> Water in alcohol... is there a method to remove the water like diesel
>engines use to
>> remove water from the diesel fuel?
The alcohol and water actually combine in an interesting way . I remember an
experiment in chem lab where 50
cc of water
Gary wrote:
> Water in alcohol... is there a method to remove the water like diesel
engines use to
> remove water from the diesel fuel?
>
I'm afraid not Gary. The truckers use denatured alcohol to remove water
from Diesel fuel so once alcohol takes on water you're o
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