Re: Struts MVC framework similar to that of a servlet container?

2003-08-05 Thread Steinar Bang
Dustin Sallings [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Monday, Jul 21, 2003, at 12:10 US/Pacific, Ranko Bijelonic wrote: I'm not sure exactely how it would take more work (provided there were Struts like utils writen one time). I kind of read this as, ``Writing web actions without struts isn't any more

RE: Struts MVC framework similar to that of a servlet container?

2003-07-22 Thread Craig R. McClanahan
On Tue, 22 Jul 2003, Andrew Hill wrote: Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2003 11:26:53 +0800 From: Andrew Hill [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Struts Users Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Struts Users Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Struts MVC framework similar

RE: Struts MVC framework similar to that of a servlet container?

2003-07-22 Thread Navjot Singh
hi ranko, i guess i have not able to portray it properly. What i intend to say is if you have ranko framework, use that. why do you need struts then as Ranko framework will be almost equivalent to struts. And if you make Ranko open source, people may start taking benefit from the good

RE: Struts MVC framework similar to that of a servlet container?

2003-07-22 Thread Craig R. McClanahan
On Tue, 22 Jul 2003, Andrew Hill wrote: snip all this great filters in place of ActionServlet direction /snip I could be wrong about that, thats just the impression I get from the posts and discussions here and on the dev list. It seems a logical conclusion though. Herein lies one of

Re: Struts MVC framework similar to that of a servlet container?

2003-07-22 Thread Alen Ribic
[EMAIL PROTECTED],Jing Zhou RB [EMAIL PROTECTED] RB Subject: RE: Struts MVC framework similar to that of a servlet container? RB Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2003 18:03:31 -0400 RB It is my understanding that the servlet spec, jsp spec, and jsf spec are RB regarded RB as the framework of frameworks

RE: Struts MVC framework similar to that of a servlet container?

2003-07-22 Thread Ranko Bijelonic
-Original Message- From: Craig R. McClanahan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2003 2:51 AM To: Struts Users Mailing List; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Struts MVC framework similar to that of a servlet container? On Tue, 22 Jul 2003, Andrew Hill wrote: snip all this great

Re: Struts MVC framework similar to that of a servlet container?

2003-07-22 Thread Ted Husted
Craig R. McClanahan wrote: For better or for worse, Struts 1.x is going to remain based on Servlet 2.2 and JSP 1.1 as the base technologies, For the record, I just got back from a training gig with one of the largest companies on the planet. They are currently standardized on Servlet 2.2 and

RE: Struts MVC framework similar to that of a servlet container?

2003-07-21 Thread Navjot Singh
hi, No doubt, they are vaguely the same. After all STRUTS is based on container. BUT struts make your life EASY. How? By providing scalable and reusable code - base principle of frameworks. 1. Frameworks are the semi-complete applications. They are standardized answer to the very common set of

Re: Struts MVC framework similar to that of a servlet container?

2003-07-21 Thread Sandeep Takhar
there's a lot of stuff it gives you out of the box. 1. solid code 2. validation framework 3. tile framework 4. auto-population framework 5. role based actions 6. xml configuration of all the links or actions of your application 7. best practices framework bundling (scaffolding) complete with

Re: Struts MVC framework similar to that of a servlet container?

2003-07-21 Thread Sandeep Takhar
: Struts MVC framework similar to that of a servlet container? 21/07/2003 06:08 PM

RE: Struts MVC framework similar to that of a servlet container?

2003-07-21 Thread Ranko Bijelonic
: Struts MVC framework similar to that of a servlet container? hi, No doubt, they are vaguely the same. After all STRUTS is based on container. BUT struts make your life EASY. How? By providing scalable and reusable code - base principle of frameworks. 1. Frameworks are the semi-complete

RE: Struts MVC framework similar to that of a servlet container?

2003-07-21 Thread Ranko Bijelonic
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RE: Struts MVC framework similar to that of a servlet container?

2003-07-21 Thread Navjot Singh
, July 21, 2003 8:42 AM |To: Struts Users Mailing List |Subject: Re: Struts MVC framework similar to that of a servlet |container? | | | |Sandeep, |You mentioned role based actions in your list... which has caught my eye. |Can you please elaborate on this ? Or point me to some documentation ? | |thanks

RE: Struts MVC framework similar to that of a servlet container?

2003-07-21 Thread Sandeep Takhar
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RE: Struts MVC framework similar to that of a servlet container?

2003-07-21 Thread Ranko Bijelonic
. Either way, thanks for trying :). ranko -Original Message- From: Navjot Singh [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, July 21, 2003 10:28 AM To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: RE: Struts MVC framework similar to that of a servlet container? hi ranko, Assume you don't use struts. You

RE: Struts MVC framework similar to that of a servlet container?

2003-07-21 Thread Ranko Bijelonic
PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, July 21, 2003 11:21 AM To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: RE: Struts MVC framework similar to that of a servlet container? I guess the main difference between what you mention and struts is that you can use this stuff right away for the app you want to build without

RE: Struts MVC framework similar to that of a servlet container?

2003-07-21 Thread Adam Levine
for the help, ranko -Original Message- From: Sandeep Takhar [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, July 21, 2003 11:21 AM To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: RE: Struts MVC framework similar to that of a servlet container? I guess the main difference between what you mention and struts

RE: Struts MVC framework similar to that of a servlet container?

2003-07-21 Thread Ranko Bijelonic
to be addressed. Thanks. ranko -Original Message- From: Adam Levine [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, July 21, 2003 12:49 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Struts MVC framework similar to that of a servlet container? for my $0.02. Using just pure servlet and base JSP, dealing

RE: Struts MVC framework similar to that of a servlet container?

2003-07-21 Thread David Graham
. ranko -Original Message- From: Adam Levine [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, July 21, 2003 12:49 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Struts MVC framework similar to that of a servlet container? for my $0.02. Using just pure servlet and base JSP, dealing with forms

RE: Struts MVC framework similar to that of a servlet container?

2003-07-21 Thread Sandeep Takhar
-Original Message- From: Sandeep Takhar [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, July 21, 2003 11:21 AM To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: RE: Struts MVC framework similar to that of a servlet container? I guess the main difference between what you mention and struts is that you can

RE: Struts MVC framework similar to that of a servlet container?

2003-07-21 Thread Ranko Bijelonic
to be added there). ranko -Original Message- From: Adam Levine [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, July 21, 2003 12:49 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Struts MVC framework similar to that of a servlet container? for my $0.02. Using just pure servlet and base JSP

RE: Struts MVC framework similar to that of a servlet container?

2003-07-21 Thread Sandeep Takhar
:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, July 21, 2003 10:28 AM To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: RE: Struts MVC framework similar to that of a servlet container? hi ranko, Assume you don't use struts. You start writing your first app for your requirements. Being an expert programmer, you

RE: Struts MVC framework similar to that of a servlet container?

2003-07-21 Thread David Graham
, July 21, 2003 12:49 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Struts MVC framework similar to that of a servlet container? for my $0.02. Using just pure servlet and base JSP, dealing with forms is not intuitive or clean. You either rely on too much code in a JSP, or too much

RE: Struts MVC framework similar to that of a servlet container?

2003-07-21 Thread Ranko Bijelonic
still have Struts and the servlet container itself :). -Original Message- From: Sandeep Takhar [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, July 21, 2003 2:39 PM To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: RE: Struts MVC framework similar to that of a servlet container? If you've built it already

RE: Struts MVC framework similar to that of a servlet container?

2003-07-21 Thread Ranko Bijelonic
] To: Struts Users Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Struts MVC framework similar to that of a servlet container? Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2003 12:38:22 -0400 Yes Struts does definitely solve many problems and make it easier. But is seems that it solves a lot of problems

RE: Struts MVC framework similar to that of a servlet container?

2003-07-21 Thread Sandeep Takhar
have Struts and the servlet container itself :). -Original Message- From: Sandeep Takhar [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, July 21, 2003 2:39 PM To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: RE: Struts MVC framework similar to that of a servlet container? If you've built

Re: Struts MVC framework similar to that of a servlet container?

2003-07-21 Thread Jing Zhou
- Original Message - From: Ranko Bijelonic [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Struts Users Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, July 21, 2003 11:32 AM Subject: RE: Struts MVC framework similar to that of a servlet container? ok. assume i go through the process below. now i have RANKo

RE: Struts MVC framework similar to that of a servlet container?

2003-07-21 Thread David Graham
ranko ranko -Original Message- From: Adam Levine [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, July 21, 2003 12:49 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Struts MVC framework similar to that of a servlet container? for my $0.02. Using just pure servlet

Re: Struts MVC framework similar to that of a servlet container?

2003-07-21 Thread Dustin Sallings
On Monday, Jul 21, 2003, at 12:10 US/Pacific, Ranko Bijelonic wrote: You could certainly code each Action as a Servlet but it would take more work. I'm not sure exactely how it would take more work (provided there were Struts like utils writen one time). I kind of read this as, ``Writing web

RE: Struts MVC framework similar to that of a servlet container?

2003-07-21 Thread Ranko Bijelonic
It is my understanding that the servlet spec, jsp spec, and jsf spec are regarded as the framework of frameworks (a kind of interpretation of mine) Struts action mapping is designed in Struts way. If the struts-config.xml is merged into the web.xml, a lot of other frameworks would not happy :-)

RE: Struts MVC framework similar to that of a servlet container?

2003-07-21 Thread Adam Levine
things in the same way the container does. But, it wraps it in a more friendly control system. From: Ranko Bijelonic [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Struts Users Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Struts Users Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED],Jing Zhou [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Struts MVC framework

RE: Struts MVC framework similar to that of a servlet container?

2003-07-21 Thread Ranko Bijelonic
are distributed objects comming? :). just kidding :) -Original Message- From: Adam Levine [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, July 21, 2003 6:12 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Struts MVC framework similar to that of a servlet container? I think the one thing that hasn't been mentioned

Re: Struts MVC framework similar to that of a servlet container?

2003-07-21 Thread Jing Zhou
- Original Message - From: Ranko Bijelonic [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Struts Users Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Jing Zhou [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, July 21, 2003 5:03 PM Subject: RE: Struts MVC framework similar to that of a servlet container? It is my understanding

Re: Struts MVC framework similar to that of a servlet container?

2003-07-21 Thread Martin Naskovski
:) RB -Original Message- RB From: Adam Levine [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] RB Sent: Monday, July 21, 2003 6:12 PM RB To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] RB Subject: RE: Struts MVC framework similar to that of a servlet RB container? RB I think the one thing that hasn't been mentioned. And this is my

RE: Struts MVC framework similar to that of a servlet container?

2003-07-21 Thread Ranko Bijelonic
: Monday, July 21, 2003 7:14 PM To: Ranko Bijelonic; Struts Users Mailing List Subject: Re: Struts MVC framework similar to that of a servlet container? - Original Message - From: Ranko Bijelonic [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Struts Users Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Jing Zhou [EMAIL PROTECTED

RE: Struts MVC framework similar to that of a servlet container?

2003-07-21 Thread Ranko Bijelonic
? :). just kidding :) RB -Original Message- RB From: Adam Levine [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] RB Sent: Monday, July 21, 2003 6:12 PM RB To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] RB Subject: RE: Struts MVC framework similar to that of a servlet RB container? RB I think the one thing that hasn't been mentioned

Re: Struts MVC framework similar to that of a servlet container?

2003-07-21 Thread Jing Zhou
- Original Message - From: Ranko Bijelonic [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Struts Users Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Jing Zhou [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, July 21, 2003 8:31 PM Subject: RE: Struts MVC framework similar to that of a servlet container? I am getting more clear about your

RE: Struts MVC framework similar to that of a servlet container?

2003-07-21 Thread Ranko Bijelonic
, or request/response wrappers with Struts? I'm just wondering. -Original Message- From: Jing Zhou [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, July 21, 2003 10:46 PM To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: Re: Struts MVC framework similar to that of a servlet container? - Original

RE: Struts MVC framework similar to that of a servlet container?

2003-07-21 Thread Andrew Hill
container? - Original Message - From: Ranko Bijelonic [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Struts Users Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Jing Zhou [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, July 21, 2003 8:31 PM Subject: RE: Struts MVC framework similar to that of a servlet container? I am getting more clear

RE: Struts MVC framework similar to that of a servlet container?

2003-07-21 Thread Andrew Hill
Users Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Struts Users Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Struts MVC framework similar to that of a servlet container? Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2003 12:38:22 -0400 Yes Struts does definitely solve many problems and make it easier. But is seems

RE: Struts MVC framework similar to that of a servlet container?

2003-07-21 Thread Ranko Bijelonic
Subject: RE: Struts MVC framework similar to that of a servlet container? Its not so much paving of one's own roads, but recongnizing that the roads have been paved already :). I'm not suggesting redoing what Struts does, what I'm saying is that Sturts is redoing what the servlet continer alredy

RE: Struts MVC framework similar to that of a servlet container?

2003-07-21 Thread Ranko Bijelonic
] Reply-To: Struts Users Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Struts Users Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Struts MVC framework similar to that of a servlet container? Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2003 12:38:22 -0400 Yes Struts does definitely solve many problems and make it easier

RE: Struts MVC framework similar to that of a servlet container?

2003-07-21 Thread Andrew Hill
PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, 22 July 2003 12:38 To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: RE: Struts MVC framework similar to that of a servlet container? You are right, Struts did provide a lot of features that have been since widely adopted. I did not mean to be dismissive of Struts here, i was more

RE: Struts MVC framework similar to that of a servlet container?

2003-07-21 Thread Ranko Bijelonic
). -Original Message- From: Andrew Hill [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2003 12:46 AM To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: RE: Struts MVC framework similar to that of a servlet container? IIRC the struts datasource support has been deprecated now for that very reason (supplied

RE: Struts MVC framework similar to that of a servlet container?

2003-07-21 Thread Andrew Hill
list. It seems a logical conclusion though. -Original Message- From: Ranko Bijelonic [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, 22 July 2003 12:52 To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: RE: Struts MVC framework similar to that of a servlet container? ok, where do I get the info on all