Hello John
Greetings,
I'm finally finding the time to make a processor, but find myself
hanging on a couple of points. First off I'm just going with
something that resembles the 5gal processor listed on JTF to start.
The problem is that I'm not grasping the process in handling the
methanol and
in the wrong
places)
Cheers
Darryl
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Hello John
Greetings,
I'm
To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Methanol handling tips needed
Hello John
Greetings,
I'm finally finding the time to make a processor, but find myself
hanging on a couple of points. First off I'm just going with
something that resembles the 5gal processor listed
: [Biofuel] Methanol handling tips needed
Hello John
Greetings,
I'm finally finding the time to make a processor, but find myself
hanging on a couple of points. First off I'm just going with
something that resembles the 5gal processor listed on JTF to start.
The problem is that I'm not grasping
OK, Lets see if I have this straight,
from what I have read;
- Methanol is bad as a single fuel unless designed for it, but ok to
disperse water as an additive like Heet,
- Washed Biodiesel is a compound containing methanol so it does not
react like methanol nor have its properties - But if you
So, if I use ASTM washed biodiesel, how much of it could I add in a
gas engine? Greg, I think you said 15% or so in the jeeps, but I'm
wondering what effects you notices on energy performance: smoother,
harder starting, plug life, mileage, etc
Thanks
Zeke
Boulder, CO, USA
On 9/7/05,
Hi Gregg
Hi Keith,
I was just giving him info that I had run across in the owner's manual of a car I'd just bought to which I was thinking of adding a little BD with the gas. Once I saw that warning, I elected to err on the side of caution. I have seen that warning in at least 4 owner's manuals
I haven't followed this thread too closely so if my comments are off the mark,
just ignore them.
1. the methanol in fatty acid methyl esters is chemically combined so is a
non-issue with respect
to concerns about methanol in engines.
2. Spark ignition engines are not built to burn diesel
Hi:
Don't professional race car drivers use methanol in their engines? So
why can't it be used in an ordinary car? I'm guessing race car engines
should be more sensitive. Anyone care to comment?
Best,
Christopher
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Methanol is a common thing to put in a tank of gas anywhere in the world
when it gets cold outside ... it stops the water from pooling in the
tank and freezing... its avalable in any store arould here in the states
http://www.goldeagle.com/heet/index.htm Heet is 100% methanol
Ray J
Hello Christopher and all
Hi:
Don't professional race car drivers use methanol in their engines? So
why can't it be used in an ordinary car? I'm guessing race car engines
should be more sensitive. Anyone care to comment?
Best,
Christopher
I went looking some time back and foun this at a race
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Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Methanol in Engines was Materials,Venturis and
Biodiesel
Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2005 17:20:26 -0700
Hi:
Don't professional race car drivers use methanol in their engines? So
why can't
Methanol is an excellent fuel. (in some respects at least) It requires
drastically different jetting in the carbs or injection programing.
IIRC the stoichiometric ratio for gasoline is about 14:1 A/F ratio but
for methanol is something like 4:1. Figure this into economy
calculations. Heat of
Thanks guys.
Best,
Chris
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Biodiesel
Hello
Thats funny .. i have been around race engines on and off for years, on
dirt tracks , drag strips, and go karts and have not heard / seen
anything special about them compared to their gasoline burning versions
other than carb setup. mabey its just on them million dollar indy
car
Hi Keith,
I was just giving him info that I had run across in the owner's manual ofacar I'd just bought to whichI was thinking of adding a little BD with the gas. Once I saw that warning, I elected to err on the side of caution.I have seen that warning in at least4 owner's manuals from different
Ray, it's been well known for many years that high concentrations
of methanol have a bad effect on light metals and their alloys, and on
many organic compounds used in engine intake systems. It's been so well
known for so long that the racers who use methanol fuel mostly all know
about and take
Hi Kobus,
Protea Chemicals... they have a nice website.
Jurie.
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Jacobus
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Subject: [Biofuel] methanol availability
Hi all,and Duncan,
maybe u can help
Kobus - the cheapest I've found is at Triangle Solvents (011 873 0157) in
Germiston. About R2.40/l. You can either take your own container and get
it filled, or they'll sell you a container at a reasonable price. The price
is MUCH better than lab suppliers.
Regards,
Duncan
082 853 8356
Hi,Duncan
thanx a million the best i could do was r6/l
thanx again
regards
kobus
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Subject: Re: [Biofuel] methanol
Thanks Jan
But is that a yes or a no on question
1
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Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2005 12:20
Thanks Jan
Ian
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To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org
Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2005 7:32
PM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] methanol
Yes, old methanol is always a problem.
Both for speedway racers and for biodiesel producers
Hello Ian.
Answer #1: Methanol attracts water. So,
old methanol is not anhydrous, which it has to when producing
biodiesel.
Answer#2: Yes, but it takes a little
longer.
Jan WarnqvistAGERATEC AB
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Thanks Jan
But is that a yes or a no on question
1
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Subject: Re: [Biofuel] methanol
Hello Ian.
Answer #1: Methanol attracts water. So,
old
On Thu, Jul 21, 2005 at 05:23:11PM -0500, James G. Branaum wrote:
I buy my methanol in bulk at the local representative of the refinery. I
strongly suspect is probably not available in your area. I also don't think
you want to use it unless you make it yourself.
What do you mean by making it
, July 22, 2005 2:53 AM
To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] methanol and airmodel engine fuel
On Thu, Jul 21, 2005 at 05:23:11PM -0500, James G. Branaum wrote:
I buy my methanol in bulk at the local representative of the refinery. I
strongly suspect is probably not available
Hi Rafal,
Maybe this model-fuel is meant for 2takt engines,
and thats whats the mixed-in oil is for?
If it's only oil, you mite be able ( if you've got equipment)
to distill the methanol out of it;
but is this stuff water free?
And I'm afraid that modelairplain-fuel is way to expensive
I have been mixing my own model airplane engine fuel for the last 12 years
or so. I normally use 70% methanol, 10% nitro methane (as an igniter) and
20% oil of various make ups. I eschew castor because it gums things up
unless it is hot and can render an expensive 4-stroke engine useless due to
On Thu, Jul 21, 2005 at 11:39:30AM -0500, James G. Branaum wrote:
I have been mixing my own model airplane engine fuel for the last 12 years
or so. I normally use 70% methanol, 10% nitro methane (as an igniter) and
20% oil of various make ups. I eschew castor because it gums things up
unless
On Thu, Jul 21, 2005 at 06:30:57PM +0200, Bruno M. wrote:
Hi Rafal,
Maybe this model-fuel is meant for 2takt engines,
and thats whats the mixed-in oil is for?
Yes, it is typical 2-stroke engine fuel.
If it's only oil, you mite be able ( if you've got equipment)
to distill the methanol
taxable consumable.
Cheers.
Jim Branaum -
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On Thu, Jul 21
I've been preparing my processing system, done a little in the way of
test batches, (1 litre), and lurking on this fine list, absorbing
information, and reading a lot on the biodiesel pages.
I guess I've got a decent grip on the process and the chemistry
involved, but I've had a question
Hello Paul.
As you probably know, methanol is used as fuel in speedway, with motorcycle
engines for that fuel. Methanol in gasoline engines will cause:
1. Incompletely burned ethanol forms formic acid, which is aggressive to the
engine oil and material.
2. During cold start operation the exhaust
My biggest concern about mixing flammable materials in a blender is that in
industry, you would normally see explosion proof motors used in such an
application. If your container seal leaks and a flammable mixture gets inside
the motor enclosure, you might get a small explosion.
My risk
My biggest concern about mixing flammable materials in a blender is
that in industry, you would normally see explosion proof motors used
in such an application. If your container seal leaks and a flammable
mixture gets inside the motor enclosure, you might get a small
explosion.
In fact
Mike, Keith, thanks for your comments, they put a restless mind to rest.
On Apr 4, 2005 8:31 AM, Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hello Mike, Thomas
My biggest concern about mixing flammable materials in a blender is
that in industry, you would normally see explosion proof motors
Blenders exploding?
Not so that pieces of blender are embedded in your head. But, nevertheless a
rapid expansion of gasses from the ignition of a stoichiometric mixture in the
motor enclosure (OK, that hurt, my brain is tired).
The ignited gasses from the motor enclosure could vent outside
I have a copy of Brown's Second Alcohol Fuel Cookbook
by Michael H. Brown. In it, there is a section on
methanol production (pg 125). It lists the ingredients
and equipment and continues with a section called
Step-by-Step Procedures. The procedure goes into a
lot of detail and describes what
Kieth and Tom,
Sorry. I stand corrected. When I looked in the index under methanol, it pointed
me to pg 125 and indeed, it began talking about methanol. But the last few
sentences led you into a Step-by-Step Procedure for making ethanol from wood.
I went straight to the procedure before
Hello Tom , Mike e Keith
The methanol production from saw dust need to done via
thermochemical route , require much energy input , as no bacteria
yet commercially can make methanol where as ethanol production
via reusable enzymes require low energy input.
What Mike refer
Sorry. I stand corrected. When I looked in the index under methanol,
it pointed me to pg 125 and indeed, it began talking about methanol.
But the last few sentences led you into a Step-by-Step Procedure
for making ethanol from wood.
I went straight to the procedure before thoroughly
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Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Methanol backyard manufacturing possible?
short answer yes. (methanol.. backyard) if money is no object.H.
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No. We've been discussing this since the list was founded five years ago,
but nobody's found a solution yet. Dr Tom Reed, who probably knows more
about methanol than most, told me we just aren't there yet.
Tom's knowledge of the field is such that when one finds
themselves in
owner
Tom Irwin
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short answer yes. (methanol.. backyard) if money is no object.H.
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Hi Tom and Kieth,
I have a copy of Brown's Second Alcohol Fuel Cookbook
by Michael H. Brown. In it, there is a section on
methanol production (pg 125). It lists the ingredients
and equipment and continues with a section called
Step-by-Step Procedures. The procedure goes into a
lot of detail and
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Subject: [Biofuel] Methanol backyard manufacturing possible?
As a newcomer to the biodiesel world I was wondering if it was possible to
make methanol in your backyard so
As a newcomer to the biodiesel world I was wondering if it was possible to
make methanol in your backyard so to speak?
No. We've been discussing this since the list was founded five years
ago, but nobody's found a solution yet. Dr Tom Reed, who probably
knows more about methanol than most,
See below...
Ebay: thanks Theo, forgot about them. Why not ... starting out,
I'd consider
somebody selling cone-bottom barrels on Ebay. I read a great
JTF article
on how to make them ... I have two college degrees, and
realized I couldn't
make one, nor could I instruct my farmer
Reverse osmosis could remove the methanol from the glycerine. You
just need to find a membrane with a housing that is resistant to
methanol.
Andy
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Ken Provost wrote:
on 2/4/05 5:41 AM, Legal Eagle at [EMAIL PROTECTED]
on 2/4/05 5:41 AM, Legal Eagle at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
G'day;
I have just completed a simple condenser for methanol recovery, however I am
still left with a question.
Do I need to bring the glycerine to a rolling boil or just bring up the heat
sufficiently to get the methanol to
on 2/4/05 5:41 AM, Legal Eagle at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
G'day;
I have just completed a simple condenser for methanol recovery, however I am
still left with a question.
Do I need to bring the glycerine to a rolling boil or just bring up the heat
sufficiently to get the methanol to
This is probably going to be a matter of local and maybe state
regulation. I would first check with your local health and fire
departments to see if there are city or county regulations. They can
put you on to any state regulations. As far as I know there are no
federal regulations that
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Subject: [Biofuel] methanol storage
Does anyone know of any restrictions on storing methanol in your garage
ect.
Keep it away from the heater for
Does anyone know of any restrictions on storing methanol in your garage ect.
It varies from town to town and also varies by quantity. If you want to store
55 gal then you would want to contact the fire marshal and ask them. Typically
you would need a flammables storage cabinet (those big
on 11/12/04 1:54 PM, Gabriel Proulx at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Is there somebody who has a table which indicates the proportions of
methoxide to be used according to the pH of oil that one uses?
Also, is there somebody who has a table which indicates the proportions of
lye and methanol to
http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_make.html and scroll down the menu for
the items of interest. There are base amounts and then those are added to
the results of titration in order to determine the catalyst to methanol
quantities. Methanol is usually 2 liters to the 10 of WVO and then you
snip
By the way, How much does a 55 gallon drum of pure methanol cost in
your area?
Also, what is your area?
ps(to the list)
What does everyone else pay for their chemicals? Please include size
of product
and area of country(us) .
Everyone else is not in the US, in fact most of them
into the carboy of HDPE2 category. Fittings can also be of PVC that hook to
the drum.
They sell drum holders for places like shops ect that use them for
windshield washer fluid or antifreeze or motor oil ect. They can be set
higher by placing the stand on blocks.Simple, cheap and safe.
No
is more complete so i am going to save it :)
Luc
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Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2004 1:35 AM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Methanol Safety of Dispensing from 55 Gal. Drumsto
carboy safely
Drum in upright position: remove
Thanks to all who replied with their local prices.
jsh
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tocarboy safely
Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 04:34:30 +0900
snip
By the way, How
methanol for $40. I buy my methanol in 55 gal steel drums and pump it with
that very pump... Doon't forget the resperator...Punasurfer
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Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 2004 8:05 PM
Subject: [Biofuel]
We use this set up to empty 55 gal Drums...
Most Drums have a large fill hole and a small vent hole.
Most hardware stores carry brass (spark proof) fittings that will attach
to these holes. I try to avoid the pvc fittings, they can snap off when
tipping the drum over if they are bumped.
supply are very helpful. to ground things to code (US NEC 2002) you must
use mechanical connections like screw terminals that are torqued to the
proper torque spec per the manufacturer (which is ultimately per UL) I
would highly recommend it. also if you are in the US and your house is
in May for a 55 gal drum of methanol
-Kevin
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Subject: RE: [Biofuel] Methanol Safety of Dispensing from 55 Gal.
Drumstocarboy safely
Kevin-
We use this set up to empty
By the way, How much does a 55 gallon drum of pure methanol cost in your area?
Also, what is your area?
ps(to the list)
What does everyone else pay for their chemicals? Please include
size of product
and area of country(us) .
Everyone else is not in the US, in fact most of them aren't.
Drum in upright position: remove the small cap and fit a ball valve
(preferably teflon inner husing) with a hose connector on the other side
into the threads, sealing with teflon tape. Lay the drum flat on a stand
(make of wood, or if enough skilled weld of steel tubes). Takes two quite
Kevin try this link.
http://www.usplastic.com/catalog/category.asp?catalog%5Fname=usplasticcategory%5Fname=24990Page=1.
They have some helpful products. Jonathan Schearer.
Kevin Shea [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:After 11 months of research of biodiesel
and pondering methanol safety, I have not
--- Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
[...]
Quality testing
http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_vehicle.html#quality
One question about this testing: Aleks says, thin
layer
chromatography (tlc) can be used to determine
conversion rate and hence quality.
Has anybody done this ?
What
of renewable
plants, but I don't know of any substitutes for the lumber products forest's
can supply
Doug
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: Forrests need TLC
to mature is also a poor choice for
harvesting.
Dan V
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But from what I can tell
: [Biofuel] Methanol from Trees
Howdy Kieth and Jemery and Tracy, Again I am going to stick to my
guns: vide infra
Keith Addison wrote:
Jeremy Tracy Longworth wrote:
Trees injured by the felling of neighboring ones are left to become
infected by pathogen. These infected trees then produce
: RE: [Biofuel] Methanol from Trees
So what is the use of experience and an education? I will consider
evaluating the forest service's ideas.
Peggy
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Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2004 8:12 PM
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Just that Peggy.
You use your experience and education to consider the information given
Bob, the only thing that matters is whether its nutritional status is
sound or not, for whatever reason. If it's not sound, it will be
attacked by pathogens (ie pests, of whatever ilk), but even if you
protect it, the plant won't be able to set good seed anyway, it just
won't have the
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Just that Peggy.
You use your experience and education to consider the information
they are.
Greg H.
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Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2004 20:38
Subject: RE: [Biofuel] Methanol from Trees
The feeling of driving through a burned forest and a logged forest are
both disenchanting. The goals and motives
Trees injured by the felling of neighboring ones are left to become
infected by pathogen. These infected trees then produce inferior
seed which then grow into inferior stock.
Whoa, sure sounds like a Lamarkian hypothesis to me!So if I cut
the tail off my dog, she will have puppies
guns: vide infra
Keith Addison wrote:
Jeremy Tracy Longworth wrote:
Trees injured by the felling of neighboring ones are left to become
infected by pathogen. These infected trees then produce inferior
seed which then grow into inferior stock.
Whoa, sure sounds like a Lamarkian
Hi Keith and Peggy ;
I am working my way through these links, and it is
perfect timing. I truely was starting to assemble the
materials to make the Charles 803 from JtF web site.
I didn't order the plansm but I could do it from the
web site. I always wondered about that right angle
elbow at
Hi Keith and Peggy ;
I am working my way through these links, and it is
perfect timing. I truely was starting to assemble the
materials to make the Charles 803 from JtF web site.
Huh? WHERE on the JtF web site did you find any mention of Mr Warren
and the Charles 803 still? It was all
Any input will help.
Ron
Keith Addison wrote:
Hello Peter
Hi Keith and Peggy ;
I am working my way through these links, and it is
perfect timing. I truely was starting to assemble the
materials to make the Charles 803 from JtF web site.
Huh? WHERE on the JtF web site did you find any
I am new around here but I am looking for info on methanol
production. Any input will help.
Ron
I suggest you spend some time, or perhaps quite a lot of time,
browsing the list archives, there's a lot to be found there.
http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Best wishes
Keith
Keith
Hi Keith ;
Keith wrote:
Please make sure of just which website you're
talking about, confirm
that it ISN'T the Journey to Forever web site, and
no need to tell us
which one it is.
Opps. So sorry about that. You are right. It was
another web page which I had saved to my hard drive,
so I
http://www.acronymfinder.com/af-query.asp?String=exactAcronym=AFAIKFind=Find
Luc
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From: Guag Meister [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Monday, October 25, 2004 10:57 AM
Subject: RE: [Biofuel] Methanol update
Hi Keith ;
Keith wrote:
Please make sure
Trees injured by the felling of neighboring ones are left to become infected
by pathogen. These infected trees then produce inferior seed which then grow
into inferior stock.
Whoa, sure sounds like a Lamarkian hypothesis to me!So if I cut the
tail off my dog, she will have
Hi Keith ;
Keith wrote:
Please make sure of just which website you're
talking about, confirm
that it ISN'T the Journey to Forever web site, and
no need to tell us
which one it is.
Opps. So sorry about that. You are right. It was
another web page which I had saved to my hard drive,
so
Hello,
I am an Arborist (tree care specialist) and have done research on our
renewable resource trees. In the logging industry large stands of wood with
little to no pathogen (mineral trace) bring the highest dollar amount. Whereas
spindly, scrawny, weakling trees are of little to no
Subject: RE: [Biofuel] Methanol update
Peter: Hi Peggy, Thanks for your post. I am tip-toeing here a little
because I would never say I know as much as you about
the ethanol/methanol debate. When someone knows more
than me, my tendency is usually to shut up and listen.
Peggy: I can send a copy
I would like to hear about your product and its specifications.
Please email me more info. Also, tell me if you have a website.
Jonathan
From: Peggy [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Subject: RE: [Biofuel] Methanol update
Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2004 07:29:23
snip
If you want to experiment with a backyard still, go to Robert
Warren's site http://www.alcohol4fuel.com/id36.html and buy his still
plans.
I'd recommend not doing that - go anywhere else but!
We know about Robert Warren and his still. In 1999 friends in Hong
Kong introduced us to Mr
] On
Behalf Of Keith Addison
Sent: Sunday, October 24, 2004 10:09 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: [Biofuel] Methanol update
Hello Peggy
snip
If you want to experiment with a backyard still, go to Robert
Warren's site http://www.alcohol4fuel.com/id36.html and buy his still
plans.
I'd recommend
be a wise use of a waste resource. Thanks for the
clarification and your expertise. Can you also give us some reference
material?
Thanks,
Peggy
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Methanol from Trees
Hello,
I am an Arborist (tree care specialist) and have done research on our
renewable resource trees
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Subject: RE: [Biofuel] Methanol from Trees
Hi George,
How is it that both state forestry people and federal forestry people
have a different view? It has been repeated again and again within the
areas that suffer the most forest fires
Hi Peggy ;
Thanks for your post. I am tip-toeing here a little
because I would never say I know as much as you about
the ethanol/methanol debate. When someone knows more
than me, my tendency is usually to shut up and listen.
Because I fully and absolutely intend to build a
still and distill
I can understand that.
Greg H.
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From: Guag Meister [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Saturday, October 23, 2004 05:06
Subject: RE: [Biofuel] Methanol update
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To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2004 7:01 AM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Methanol from Trees
Hello Peggy.
Go to the following web page and you'll find every thing
1976 to present db for (cellulosic AND ethanol): 7284 US patents.
http://appft1.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO2Sect2
what kind of a methanol recovery rate can I expect once I start doing that?
Depends which stage you do it at, and what you want to do with the
by-product. Easiest is taking back the methanol straight after
processing, before separating the by-product, but this is inclined to
cause a
Hi Walt ;
Thanks very much for your post. Your project and web
site are fascinating. I have a project which hasn't
taken form yet, but I hope it will be something like
Windward. Only in a lot warmer climate (and quite
regrettably for an expat like myself, outside the US).
Possibly I wil buy
Hello Peter,
A few additional comments in the benefits of fuel ethanol over methanol
follow. A complete distillery setup can lower electric bills due to the
surplus generation capability from burning the unreacted biomass while
producing ethanol and other products to sell (xylitol, furfural,
of methanol from the
forest slash.
Best wishes,
Peggy
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Methanol from Trees
These people use the same arguments that set us up in Canada and
Australia
and god knows where else for the woodchippers. That these little
spindly,
generally rewgrowth trees are useless, and here is a heaven
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