Re: t-and-f: Why on the Street

In a message dated 8/26/02 10:37:42 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Has anyone else on this list been yelled at by someone pulling out of a driveway, that THEY ( the runner) were in the way, because Cars have the right of way over pedestrians on sidewalks? I will pretty much continue to run in

Re: t-and-f: Why on the street?

In Boston I would barely DRIVE in the streets, much less run there. Jim Gerweck Running Times

Re: t-and-f: Why on the street?

I see it so many times that I really wonder if they are being told to do so by some running book or magazine. Has anyone seen anything published anywhere telling people to run in the street? Is there any logical reason? Like running up and down curbs is dangerous or unhealthy for some reason?

t-and-f: The Final Two

USOC will halve the field of US candidates for 2012 Olympic Games host city from four to two later today. The Final Four are Houston, New York, San Francisco and Washington, D.C. Any guesses who's going to be left standing?

Re: t-and-f: The Final Two

New York and San Francisco will be left standing. Tom - Original Message - From: Post, Marty [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 't-and-f@darkwing. uoregon. edu' (E-mail) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2002 3:47 PM Subject: t-and-f: The Final Two USOC will halve the field of US

t-and-f: AAARRRGHH! was: USATF News Notes: August 5, 2002

Enough of the August 5th news and notes already! That was my 7th copy! It's August 27th and we just read the Aug. 26th release yesterday... Sheesh! Hey, nobody else was whining about it and all the other whineable posts were already pretty well saturated. It's all about finding your niche, you

Re: t-and-f: Why on the street?

there's also a story, probably apocryphal, of Shorter and Bacheler running in spikes on a golf course and some guy pulled a car in front of them (not sure how the car was on the course, hence the apoc. nature), and supposedly they ran right over the hood and left a score of spike holes. From:

Re: t-and-f: The Final Two

Houston and Bay Area my guess In a message dated 8/27/2002 7:55:57 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: USOC will halve the field of US candidates for 2012 Olympic Games host city from four to two later today. The Final Four are Houston, New York, San Francisco and Washington, D.C. Any guesses

Re: t-and-f: Why on the street?

I heard that story for Shorter and Bacheler but it was roads and the Bacheler side of the car was ruined but no marks appeared on the Shorter side. Why was that? Tom, GBTC - Original Message - From: ghill [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: track list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2002

Re: t-and-f: Concrete VS Asphalt (was: Why on the street?)

There are both pros and cons to both running on concrete VS running on asphalt. Concrete is harder, therefore giving you a greater chance of injury, but is it really that much harder? A concrete sidewalk is usually flat, whereas most asphalt roads are slightly crowned in the middle, meaning

Re: t-and-f: The Final Two

Why Houston? Did you see something in their bid that impressed you? Just curious. Lee Houston and Bay Area my guess In a message dated 8/27/2002 7:55:57 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: USOC will halve the field of US candidates for 2012 Olympic Games host city from four to two later today.

Re: t-and-f: Why on the street?

there's also a story, probably apocryphal, of Shorter and Bacheler running in spikes on a golf course and some guy pulled a car in front of them (not sure how the car was on the course, hence the apoc. nature), and supposedly they ran right over the hood and left a score of spike holes. The

Re: t-and-f: The Final Two

When is the IOC naming the host of the 2012 games? If its anytime around when and if the US invades Iraq you can count the US out of the running due to the unpopularity of that abroad. And no this isn't an invitation to discuss your agenda for/against invading. But it could have a dramatic

Re: t-and-f: Why on the street? - car tromping: Once a Runner

John Parker told the story of Shorter and Bacheler in both non-fiction and fiction (Once a Runner) versions, as I recall. No spikes though, just running shoes - and red necks. That really happened, to the best of my recollection, and all the other versions have followed from it. Geoff

Re: t-and-f: AAARRRGHH! was: USATF News Notes: August 5, 2002

Enough of the August 5th news and notes already! That was my 7th copy! It's August 27th and we just read the Aug. 26th release yesterday... Sheesh! I just thought my server was having problems. bd -- Benji Durden [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: t-and-f: Why on the street? - another factor

Lots of interesting responses to this query. I, too ran on the roads, rather than the sidewalk, whenever practicable - and, yes, facing traffic. Softer, much easier to keep a rhythm, fewer intrusions of people, bikes, etc - all the rasons others have cited. But let me URGE those of you

RE: t-and-f: Concrete VS Asphalt (was: Why on the street?)

I've read in books on construction that Concrete is actually 7 times harder than asphalt. -Jeff -Original Message- From: alan tobin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2002 9:33 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: t-and-f: Concrete VS Asphalt (was: Why on the street?)

RE: t-and-f: The Final Two

IOC will name host of 2012 Games in 2005. -Original Message- From: Shawn Devereaux [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2002 12:44 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: t-and-f: The Final Two When is the IOC naming the host of the 2012 games? If its anytime around when

Re: t-and-f: Why on the street?

From: Benji Durden [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Benji Durden [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 10:37:21 -0600 To: tf list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: t-and-f: Why on the street? The way I heard this from guys in the group when it happened was that they were on the streets Of

Re: t-and-f: Why on the street? - car tromping: Once a Runner

Well I was in the group that it happened to, and did it, in 1976 in Troy, Alabama. I suspect that, given enough stories of drunk people swerving at runners, runners have picked up on the 'revenge' angle, and done it (running over a car or pickup trick) whenever they have the opportunity, as

Re: t-and-f: The Final Two

and the U.S. bidder will be chosen Nov. 3 of this year. From: Shawn Devereaux [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Shawn Devereaux [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 09:43:37 -0700 (PDT) To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: t-and-f: The Final Two When is the IOC naming the host of the 2012

Re: t-and-f: The Final Two

July 2005 From: Shawn Devereaux [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Shawn Devereaux [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 09:43:37 -0700 (PDT) To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: t-and-f: The Final Two When is the IOC naming the host of the 2012 games? If its anytime around when and if the

t-and-f: running bad for you? (was street)

From: Geoff Pietsch ... But let me URGE those of you who run real miles: Run on dirt, grass - ANYTHING BUT PAVEMENT! Asphalt is still very hard. I ran on pavement for roughly 45 years (age 14-58), the last 36 of them in Miami where there is little besides pavement. I thought I would run

Re: t-and-f: Why on the street?

After reading Once a Runner, I asked Jack about this story. In the novel, Cassidy runs over the length of the car. According to Jack, he would just run over the hoods of cars that would pull out in front of him. He compared it to taking the water jump. This makes the story less fantastic, but

RE: t-and-f: The Final Two

San Fran and NY. The only way the US will get the Games is if there is a sympathy vote for New York. It's just not the U.S.'s turn in 2012. Plus, fairly or not, the Atlanta Games were considered a debacle and the Salt Lake Games were tainted by scandal, and right now the U.S. just isn't really

Re: t-and-f: The Final Two

shouldn't be a problem then. collective memory is very short. invade away. (note for the dense: that was sarcasm.) --- ghill [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: and the U.S. bidder will be chosen Nov. 3 of this year. From: Shawn Devereaux [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Shawn Devereaux [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: t-and-f: running bad for you? (was street)

Maybe, but they aren't as likely to be life threatening Bruce Goodchild Boston. I've long thought that it might be well possible to make a case that more people have incurred more longlasting health problems from running than from taking steroids. Flame away! gh

Re: t-and-f: Concrete VS Asphalt (was: Why on the street?)

The only asphalt I ever saw that was significantly softer than concrete was on country roads when I ran in college. The only other asphalt I ever saw that was softer than set concrete was the asphalt just before the steamroller went over it. I've lived in the Chicago area just about all my

Re: t-and-f: running bad for you? (was street)

I've long thought that it might be well possible to make a case that more people have incurred more longlasting health problems from running than from taking steroids. Flame away! I'm sure gh is right. But at the risk of generating even more flames, I'll say that other than elite athletes

Re: t-and-f: running bad for you? (was street)

Garry says: I've long thought that it might be well possible to make a case that more people have incurred more longlasting health problems from running than from taking steroids. Maybe so. But the health problems caused by running are mostly mechanical, while those caused by steroids are

Re: t-and-f: running bad for you? (was street)

--- ghill [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've long thought that it might be well possible to make a case that more people have incurred more longlasting health problems from running than from taking steroids. Flame away! I would agree with folks about the damage to the joints that can occur from

t-and-f: Peak age... Americans have it wrong?

Anyone ever notice that out of every sub 13 ever run the majority (i.e. all but 2 or 3) of the guys are 28 or younger? And that has nothing to do with Kenyans lying about their ages. We have Ethiopia, Germany, Morocco, USA , Algeria, Belgium, France, all listed there (granted the German was

Re: t-and-f: Concrete VS Asphalt (was: Why on the street?)

Mike says: The only asphalt I ever saw that was significantly softer than concrete was on country roads when I ran in college. The only other asphalt I ever saw that was softer than set concrete was the asphalt just before the steamroller went over it. Here's a simple experiment you can try.

t-and-f: Houston's substance vs. SF's allure

From the Houston Chronicle: http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/story.hts/sports/lopez/1545645 -- Lee Nichols Assistant News Editor The Austin Chronicle 512/454-5766, ext. 138 fax 512/458-6910 [EMAIL PROTECTED]

t-and-f: Olympic cutdown could doom Dome

Y'all might also find this interesting, especially football and baseball fans: http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/story.hts/sports/1549646 -- Lee Nichols Assistant News Editor The Austin Chronicle 512/454-5766, ext. 138 fax 512/458-6910 [EMAIL PROTECTED]

t-and-f: Nutrition

Does anybody have any good articles on Nutrition for distance runners, or know of the website where i can find them. Just some stuff I would like to pass along to my team. Thanks Bobby Van Allen Head Track Field Coach Head Cross Country Coach Johns Hopkins University

Re: t-and-f: running bad for you? (was street)

Kurt Bray wrote: Garry says: I've long thought that it might be well possible to make a case that more people have incurred more longlasting health problems from running than from taking steroids. Maybe so. But the health problems caused by running are mostly mechanical, while those

Re: t-and-f: Concrete VS Asphalt (was: Why on the street?)

From: Kurt Bray [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Kurt Bray [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 18:24:46 + To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: t-and-f: Concrete VS Asphalt (was: Why on the street?) Here's a simple experiment you can try. I did it myself a few minutes ago to confirm

Re: t-and-f: Concrete VS Asphalt (was: Why on the street?)

I just did the golf ball drop test and used my mail carrier - who just delivered my September 2002 TFN - as the judge. He said it was difficult to tell, but that the ball seemed to bounce higher from the sidewalk, though I think the rough asphalt surface made the golf ball take an angular

Re: t-and-f: Concrete VS Asphalt (was: Why on the street?)

But the runner first hits the shoe that hits either the concrete or asphalt. So put the shoe on concete then asphalt and drop the golf ball and see if you see a difference. Tom Derderian - Original Message - From: ghill [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: track list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday,

Re: t-and-f: Concrete VS Asphalt (was: Why on the street?)

I don't buy it. Fall down on concrete and fall down on asphalt and tell me which on hurts the most. You're wearing shoes that absorb shock and you have insoles that do the same. Drop the golf ball on a piece of foam that is on a layer of air(gel, water, whatever) and see how high the ball

RE: t-and-f: Nutrition

Hi Bobby, I have actually done a LOT of reading about this, and ultimately discovered what many runners have arrived at anecdotally - if you eat a relatively healthy diet, it really doesn't make that much difference. The best advice I can offer you is to follow the dietary recommendations of

RE: t-and-f: Peak age... Americans have it wrong?

I think that an individual only has so many years at which they can train at a very high level. Those who are outside the U.S. college system probably start earlier than Americans do. Most American runners do not train seriously until college and many not until after college. Thus the peak

RE: t-and-f: Concrete VS Asphalt (was: Why on the street?)

The experiments you guys are talking about don't really relate to the situation here. You can't make the argument that if you fall on concrete or asphalt it's going to hurt just as much. Nor can you say that because the amount of bounce you get off a golf ball reflects the hardness of a

Re: t-and-f: running bad for you? (was street)

From: Wayne T. Armbrust [EMAIL PROTECTED] Organization: Computomarx™ Reply-To: Wayne T. Armbrust [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 13:56:55 -0500 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: t-and-f: running bad for you? (was street) Or the services of an undertaker after you suddenly

Re: t-and-f: Peak age... Americans have it wrong?

I believe one of the statisticians on the list already calculated peak age at 24-25, at least in the distances, some time back. Someone correct me if I am wrong. I have also wondered looking at all the young Kenyans who reach early apogees if there is a correlation between number of

t-and-f: USATF Release: Jones named Athlete of the Week

Contact:Melissa Beasley Communications Coordinator USA Track Field (317) 261-0478 x335 [EMAIL PROTECTED]

t-and-f: Re: over the top (was why on the street)

In about 1980, running up from the UC Berkeley campus to Tilden Park on Spruce St, Brian Maxwell ran up over the top of a car that had pulled out on the sidewalk from a driveway. The rest of us, who were behind the UCB coach, ran around the car. A couple of months later, however, after a

t-and-f: Associated Publishers Subscription Services

Netters (and especially gh), I just got a notice from an outfit called Associated Publishers Subscription Services, 355 Industrial Circle, White City, OR 97503-1096 offering to renew my subscription to TFN for 2 years for $72.00. I know gh has warned about groups like this in the past and not

t-and-f: my position on peak age for distances

Everyone: I have long felt that one component that is lacking in a lot of post college runners routines is cross-country training/racing. An athlete spends 4-5 years of solid cross seasons every fall and then when they leave college they never return to cross from a training or racing

t-and-f: It's NY and SF

Do I win a prize for predicting this? CHICAGO (AP) - New York and San Francisco were selected Tuesday as the U.S. finalists to host the 2012 Summer Olympics, while Houston and Washington, D.C., were eliminated as contenders. The USOC's board of directors will pick the U.S. candidate for the 2012

t-and-f: sprint=football.... NOT

note in today's transactions that JJ Johnson (Raiders) and John Capel (Chiefs) got cut.

Re: t-and-f: Peak age... Americans have it wrong?

From: Herb Finkelstein (in part) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> . .(Or might a component of it for Kenyans be the "getting set for life financially, then retiring" phenomenon.) Why is this considered a phenomenon? Isnt that what people the world over aspire to do? If we stopped thinking of running

Re: t-and-f: running bad for you? (was street)

ghill wrote: Or the services of an undertaker after you suddenly drop dead from a previously undiagnosed heart problem. This could be right up there with the shortest books in history: list of track people on whose death certificate the coroner wrote steroids. Got any documentation

RE: t-and-f: Peak age... Americans have it wrong?

--- P.F.Talbot [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'd rather have my peak at 21 than 31 (and hey I did!). If you are going to run a certain time in the end I'd rather not have to spend an extra 10 years training to do it. Which raises the related question: Will a fast climb and early peak yield a

Re: t-and-f: my position on peak age for distances

It seems to me that the runners who drop XC from their schedule after college do better, not worse. Two notable examples that come to mind are Kevin Sullivan and Bernard Lagat. Both of them saw their careers blossom almost immediately upon being done with XC (Lagat had a season of eligibility

RE: t-and-f: USATF News Notes: August 5, 2002

Eight... -Original Message- From: USATF Communications [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, August 05, 2002 2:26 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: t-and-f: USATF News Notes: August 5, 2002

RE: t-and-f: Peak age... Americans have it wrong?

Dan, yes, because I think physically you are more prepared to run your fastest times at an earlier age. From: Dan Kaplan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Dan Kaplan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: t-and-f: Peak age... Americans have it wrong? Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 14:38:09

Re: t-and-f: running bad for you? (was street)

From: Keith Whitman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Keith Whitman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 11:08:36 -0700 (PDT) To: Track Net [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: t-and-f: running bad for you? (was street) .. Our Primary Care Physician is 80 years old and still runs nearly

Re: t-and-f: my position on peak age for distances

Kevin and the IAAF might both be a little surprised that he dropped cross from his schedule. Must have been an impostor at worlds last year. http://www.iaaf.org/wxc01/results/data/M/XC/Rf.html Regards, Martin Dan Kaplan wrote: It seems to me that the runners who drop XC from their schedule

Re: t-and-f: my position on peak age for distances

From: Dan Kaplan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Dan Kaplan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 14:55:58 -0700 (PDT) To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: t-and-f: my position on peak age for distances It seems to me that the runners who drop XC from their schedule after

Re: t-and-f: my position on peak age for distances

I stand corrected. Let me rephrase that: After XC was de-emphasized from their schedule... Regina Jacobs has run one XC race that I know of each of the past two years, but I don't think many would consider that a season she is focusing on. Just guessing, but Sullivan would probably be in the

Re: t-and-f: my position on peak age for distances

The emphasis on 3 seasons AND the lack of hard training. I think coaches are less risky with their athletes in college than they would be if they were not part of a team. If you're a coach and one of your stars goes down, or God forbid 2 or 3 guys, that's it... no hope for a respectful

Re: t-and-f: my position on peak age for distances

I shouldn't be speaking for Kevin here because I think he is still onlist(I think he is having a posting problem) but I think he is a believer in fall cross work as a key ingredient to an all round program. I don't think he raced last fall but I'm pretty sure he trained with the Michigan guys

Re: t-and-f: running bad for you? (was street)

Maybe you're right although I doubt it but IMHO, those manipulations will make you more productive so you can get even more out of what ever ride lies before you even if that is hoisting a lot of 12 ouncers. No forget IMHO. That is a self-evident truth. Regards, Martin ghill wrote: If you got

Re: t-and-f: my position on peak age for distances

I don't know if it is apropos of anything but that is when swimmers seem to hit their peak. Regards, Martin Michael Contopoulos wrote: If you think about it, it makes sense that a runner, if he started early enough and hard enough, would be at his prime in his late teens to mid 20s.

Re: t-and-f: my position on peak age for distances

Regardless of the reasons, are we in agreement that most males reach their physical peak between the ages of 23-28? Because if we all do, I would be shocked. All I've ever heard was that I, as a male, won't reach my physical peak as a runner until 28-32. If you think about it, it makes

Re: t-and-f: my position on peak age for distances

I've actually never seen the 28-32 peak figure anywhere else. I've always heard mid to late 20's, with some people being able to hold their peak until their early 30's. That's not quite the same as peaking in the early 30's, mind you. Dan --- Michael Contopoulos [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

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I think I may have just stumbled on to the problem. Regards, Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thank you for your message. Joe Hughes is no longer employed by USATF. Your message has been forwarded to Jill Geer ([EMAIL PROTECTED]). Please update your address book accordingly.

Re: t-and-f: Associated Publishers Subscription Services

Probably the same group operating under a slightly different name. Ben Hall wrote: I was quickly deleting messages and may have missed any reponse GH had on this. So I'm here is the link to the subscriber alert: http://www.trackandfieldnews.com/general/subscriber_alert.html. With our

Re: t-and-f: running bad for you? (was street)

While I agree that most research on diet and exercise increasing longevity is questionable at best, I have seen one interesting fact about longevity pop up in several good pieces of research. That fact is that the factor which correlates highest with living past 100 years old is people who

RE: t-and-f: Why on the street? - car tromping: Once a Runner

I have a similar story from the early 60s at Ohio Wesleyan. We were coming in from an easy road run down a slight grade into town running on the road near the curb. We were cruising at a really good clip when I noticed a Cadillac at a side street about to turn right (we were coming from his

RE: t-and-f: Concrete VS Asphalt (was: Why on the street?)

Ouch! Lots of bad science here, Jeff. Let's take today's issues one by one... 1) Hardness The proper comparison of running surfaces is indeed hardness and the golf ball test WILL provide an accurate relative comparison between surfaces of two hardnesses. When you hear engineers or scientists