Re: [OSM-talk] New dimension of vandalism

2009/8/26 Richard Fairhurst : > Renaud Martinet wrote: >> I guess that the highway tag used to describe physical features >> of different types of roads back when OSM was quite UK-centric. > > Nope - UK highway tagging, which was of course the original, has always > largely been aligned to adminis

Re: [OSM-talk] State of the NameFinder

On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 12:04 AM, Brian Quinion wrote: >> The one I've been working on (suggestions for a name for the project >> gratefully received off list BTW) is mostly functional.  I was >> expecting to open it for testing on the geocoding list some time next >> week when it has finished inde

Re: [OSM-talk] New dimension of vandalism

(uk-specific, suggest follow-ups to talk-gb@) Peter Childs wrote: > I'm sorry what's this Oxford High Street Rule? In cases of clear insanity you can tag according to what the road ought to be, rather than the administrative classification. Oxford High Street is the A420 so should be highway

Re: [OSM-talk] New dimension of vandalism

On Thu, 27 Aug 2009 08:10:01 +0200, Renaud Martinet wrote: > On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 7:47 PM, Richard Fairhurst > wrote: >> Renaud Martinet wrote: >>> I guess that the highway tag used to describe physical features >>> of different types of roads back when OSM was quite UK-centric. >> >> Nope - UK

[OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - Petting Zoo

Hi folks, The Petting Zoo feature is open for voting. In short, it is a proposal to tag petting zoos with tourism=zoo and zootype=petting_zoo. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/petting_zoo Thank you for voting, -- Sybren Stüvel http://stuvel.eu/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/s

Re: [OSM-talk] Twitter bots

On Thu, Aug 20, 2009 at 8:31 AM, Alexander Klink wrote: > Hi everyone, > > This weekend, I hacked together a quick twitter bot, > which now tweets all changesets in a certain are (in > my case, Darmstadt, Germany) - see http://twitter.com/osm_darmstadt > > I've found it quite useful thus far, on th

Re: [OSM-talk] New dimension of vandalism

I agree with Aun .. Mike Harris > -Original Message- > From: Aun Johnsen (via Webmail) [mailto:skipp...@gimnechiske.org] > Sent: 27 August 2009 01:05 > To: Frederik Ramm > Cc: talk@openstreetmap.org; lulu-...@gmx.de > Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] New dimension of vandalism > > On Wed, 26 A

Re: [OSM-talk] New dimension of vandalism

Oxford can't be unique ... Surely it is common worldwide to assume that the decisions of administrators and bureaucrats are just a load of bollards ... Sorry about any spelling mistakes in the preceding ... Mike Harris > -Original Message- > From: Richard Fairhurst [mailto:rich...@syste

Re: [OSM-talk] [RFC] Deprecating the use of Tag:highway=stop in favour of Key:stop

Hi > Ideas? Comments? Flames? :-) I'll have to admit that I didn't read the proposal or any of the mails in this thread. However, I still have a comment: All I can think of when reading "Key:stop" is that I can't wait to finally see or use: stop=hammer time stop=in the name of love stop=collabora

Re: [OSM-talk] OSMdoc.com - Tagwatch like interface for viewing tag data

> http://osmdoc.com/de/tag/amenity/drinking_water#misspellings The possible misspellings looks like that: drinking-water=* You expect the key "drinking-water" with a various value. But key/value is shown after a click is "amenity=drinking-water". So please change it. But in any case you did a gr

[OSM-talk] Bar, Restaurant, Nightclub and Cafe

Hi! what is the best way for tagging multi-use cafes that also serve as a restaurant, and bar, and sometimes even as a nightclub? Alexander ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk

Re: [OSM-talk] Bar, Restaurant, Nightclub and Cafe

On Thu, 27 Aug 2009, Alexander Menk wrote: > Hi! > > what is the best way for tagging multi-use cafes that also serve as a > restaurant, and bar, and sometimes even as a nightclub? > > Alexander and does it have either sort of motel bed as well? ___ tal

Re: [OSM-talk] compatibilit necessary OR reversing the meaning of tags: oneway on motorway_link (was: New dimension of vandalism)

Mikel Maron wrote: > Your change earlier this month was pretty substantial. [...] > Personally, I'm not partial to either side of the argument, but willing to > work with whatever the consensus is. > I want to give a hint on a change that was made some times ago and is still today considered n

[OSM-talk] Problems with the Multilingual Country-List

Hi I'm sorry to tell you that there was a major issue with the Multilingual Country-List that I didn't realize when it happend and now we to bite the bullet and face the problem: There are 70 countries in the osm-db that got lost in the list on 2009-08-21 between 17:00 and 18:00 for unknown re

Re: [OSM-talk] Bar, Restaurant, Nightclub and Cafe

2009/8/27 Alexander Menk : > Hi! > > what is the best way for tagging multi-use cafes that also serve as a > restaurant, and bar, and sometimes even as a nightclub? usually people make different nodes/areas with different tags for this, as the bar will not be in the restaurant, as won't be the nig

[OSM-talk] my flag is not showing on the green

hi, am trying to customise a golf course using mapnik. I want a red flag on the green. I have tagged points on the course with the tag: golf=green I have created a flag called flag.png I have added 'node golf text' in default.style of osm2pgsql, recreated the database and confirmed that ther

Re: [OSM-talk] Problems with the Multilingual Country-List

Peter Körner mazdermind.de> writes: >I'm sorry to tell you that there was a major issue with the Multilingual >Country-List I'm glad you mentioned it because I missed the original announcement. The site is But I don't really u

[OSM-talk] waterway=lock

Just looking at Keepright and I can see loads of waterway=lock What is the preferred way to record the information? http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:waterway%3Dlock_gate Shows to tag both ends of the lock. If there is a name just to use name. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:lock Say

Re: [OSM-talk] Bar, Restaurant, Nightclub and Cafe

--- On Thu, 27/8/09, Alexander Menk wrote: > what is the best way for tagging multi-use cafes that also > serve as a > restaurant, and bar, and sometimes even as a nightclub? I don't have a good answer and I wish I could suggest mailing the talk list but that is hit and miss if you get a goo

Re: [OSM-talk] Diary Spam, was: Wiki Spam

2009/8/26 John Smith : > --- On Wed, 26/8/09, Erik Johansson wrote: > There seems to be some diary spam too... > > http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/lararefaeli/diary/7668 And more at http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/parkerlindsey/diary/7683 Maybe a [Report as spam] link would be useful? -- M

Re: [OSM-talk] Problems with the Multilingual Country-List

Ed Avis schrieb: > Peter Körner mazdermind.de> writes: > >> I'm sorry to tell you that there was a major issue with the Multilingual >> Country-List > > I'm glad you mentioned it because I missed the original announcement. > The site is > >

[OSM-talk] Fw: Re: Diary Spam, was: Wiki Spam

--- On Thu, 27/8/09, Matt Williams wrote: > From: Matt Williams > Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] Diary Spam, was: Wiki Spam > To: "John Smith" > Date: Thursday, 27 August, 2009, 9:24 PM > 2009/8/26 John Smith : > > > > > > --- On Wed, 26/8/09, Erik Johansson wrote: > > > >> deleted > > > > There se

Re: [OSM-talk] waterway=lock

2009/8/27 Jack Stringer : > Just looking at Keepright and I can see loads of waterway=lock > > What is the preferred way to record the information? > > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:waterway%3Dlock_gate > Shows to tag both ends of the lock. If there is a name just to use name. > > http://w

Re: [OSM-talk] [RFC] Deprecating the use of Tag:highway=stop in favour of Key:stop

> > This brings up an interesting question, when you're "finding the > > nearest junction" to use for stop key on a node, what counts as a > > junction? It's going to be a node which belongs to the current way and > > at least one other way satisfying certain conditions, but what are > > those cond

Re: [OSM-talk] [RFC] Deprecating the use of Tag:highway=stop in favour of Key:stop

2009/8/27 "Marc Schütz" : > > Note that by requiring a junction, you make it impossible to model stop signs > don't involve a junction. > > I don't know how frequent these occur, but I can imagine cases where there is > a sharp curve before which you're required to stop. And I believe there are

Re: [OSM-talk] State of the NameFinder

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Brian Quinion wrote: > As promised, you can try a uk test system here: > > http://katie.openstreetmap.org/~twain/ > > And a couple of sample queries: > > http://katie.openstreetmap.org/~twain/?q=london > http://katie.openstreetmap.org/~twain/?q=91+u

Re: [OSM-talk] waterway=lock

Jack I have tried various systems for this one. At present I favour tagging two nodes - one for each gate (or multiples of 2 for complex locks e.g. Vale Royal where there are two parallel locks, each with - of course - two gates), isolating the section of canal between and giving this the tags nam

Re: [OSM-talk] State of the NameFinder

On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 11:58 AM, David Earl wrote: > Beyond getting the index updated using the existing technology, my next > step is to try using postgres instead of mysql to (hopefully) increase > the search speed (I use self-joins a lot and these should be faster in > postgres; there may also

Re: [OSM-talk] Problems with the Multilingual Country-List

Peter Körner mazdermind.de> writes: >> >In short: a list of the languages a wikipedia exists for OK - so it doesn't use Wikipedia data for anything except a list of language codes. >Those translations will later be used for >lo

[OSM-talk] How to get a notification email for a change on a watched wiki page

Hi Mike, > 2. Wiki vs mailing list: I use both - but the mailing list appears > automatically in my in-tray every day and gets read whenever I have time > to > log on; the wiki seems to need me to watch a particular page and, simple > person that I am, I haven't found out how to get changes notifi

Re: [OSM-talk] State of the NameFinder

Robert (Jamie) Munro arjam.net> writes: >>http://katie.openstreetmap.org/~twain/ >Preliminary results of the British Museum Test: >* National Gallery > - No results found This is because it's tagged as 'National Gallery / National Portrait Gallery'. If they share the same physical building, t

Re: [OSM-talk] State of the NameFinder

On 27/08/09 14:26, Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason wrote: > On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 11:58 AM, David Earl > wrote: >> Beyond getting the index updated using the existing technology, my next >> step is to try using postgres instead of mysql to (hopefully) increase >> the search speed (I use self-joins a lo

Re: [OSM-talk] Problems with the Multilingual Country-List

Peter Körner wrote: > Those translations will later be used for > localized maps on wikipedia (see [3] for an old preview with many > missing translations). > > [3] http://cassini.toolserver.org/tile-browse/ The Danish map[1] is simply a blank map at all zoom levels. What gives? [1] http://cassin

Re: [OSM-talk] New dimension of vandalism

Hi Martin > I'm happy that you finally put your edits to this list. Actually > before I was changing the page I was trying to involve as many > contributors as possible. I not only posted on talk but also on > talk-de and also on talk-it there was a note about this discussion. You did not put in

Re: [OSM-talk] New dimension of vandalism

2009/8/27 : >> Besides this, the German highway-definition already stated the tagging >> according to "importance". > > Everybody, guess who changed it! > > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php?title=DE:Key:highway&diff=prev&oldid=288849 you are not working properly, it wasn't me changing the

Re: [OSM-talk] How to get a notification email for a change on a watched wiki page

Thanks Lulu-Ann - I've been a lazy boy, haven't I! (:<) Tsk, tsk. Done now. > -Original Message- > From: lulu-...@gmx.de [mailto:lulu-...@gmx.de] > Sent: 27 August 2009 14:35 > To: Mike Harris; frede...@remote.org > Cc: talk@openstreetmap.org > Subject: How to get a notification email for

[OSM-talk] XAPI latency

Hi http://osmxapi.hypercube.telascience.org/ states > The source database is a mirror of the main OSM database and is > updated via the per-minute diff dumps. The data is normally no more > than about 10 minutes behind the main database. But i added a name:de-Tag to node 462226505 [1] about 3

Re: [OSM-talk] New dimension of vandalism

2009/8/27 : > You said yourself it was a proposal. It was not a formal proposal as defined in: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features because the text there states: "This page is for newly proposed features to be added to the map features page. " which is not applying to my edit. Ple

Re: [OSM-talk] New dimension of vandalism

2009/8/27 Martin Koppenhoefer > > 2) I guess you did not see all of the discussion. I'm leaving out > national lists and refer just to talk: > I count: > Greg Troxel > John Smith > Christiaan Welvaart > James Stewart > Emilie Laffray > Liz > James Livingston > Pieren > Roy Wallace > David Lynch >

Re: [OSM-talk] XAPI latency

It was finally updated, but it took about 4 hours (at least as i can tell) Peter ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk

[OSM-talk] [tagging] Proposed feature: Directional node

This is a proposal for a generic way of tagging a node which represents an object which faces a certain way - e.g. a traffic sign such as a stop sign. Note this is not a specific proposal on how to tag signs of a certain type, only a generic relation which can be used for all objects of this type.

Re: [OSM-talk] New dimension of vandalism

2009/8/27 Emilie Laffray : > > > 2009/8/27 Martin Koppenhoefer >> >> 2) I guess you did not see all of the discussion. I'm leaving out >> national lists and refer just to talk: >> I count: >> Greg Troxel >> John Smith >> Christiaan Welvaart >> James Stewart >> Emilie Laffray >> Liz >> James Living

Re: [OSM-talk] New dimension of vandalism

2009/8/27 Martin Koppenhoefer : > The preliminary page is here: > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Highway_key_voting_importance what about reverting in the meantime (while we discuss the changes (?)) the highway page to it's initial status? I'm not referring to the one from before my edit but t

Re: [OSM-talk] Problems with the Multilingual Country-List

> Could the tool be extended to support names of cities? For these, a > percentage > completion indicator makes little sense, since most city names are not > translated, but there are still a hundred or so worldwide which do have their > own > name in most major languages. Currently the tool ge

Re: [OSM-talk] Problems with the Multilingual Country-List

>> [3] http://cassini.toolserver.org/tile-browse/ > > The Danish map[1] is simply a blank map at all zoom levels. What gives? > > [1] http://cassini.toolserver.org/tile-browse/browse-da.html It is just not yet rendered. The tiles will get in the render-queue as you try to see them. Take another

Re: [OSM-talk] XAPI latency

Peter If you inspect the contents of the element in the response you will see a tag xapi:planetDate which contains a timestamp that will tell you how fresh the data is. For example: 80n On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 5:21 PM, Peter Körner wrote: > It was finally updated, but it took about 4 hours (a

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Proposed feature: Directional node

2009/8/28 Andrew MacKinnon : > This is a proposal for a generic way of tagging a node which > represents an object which faces a certain way - e.g. a traffic sign > such as a stop sign. Note this is not a specific proposal on how to > tag signs of a certain type, only a generic relation which can b

Re: [OSM-talk] New dimension of vandalism

On 27/08/2009 17:21, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > OK, I set up a page (not that I wouldn't have prefered to do sth. more > useful like mapping in this time, but this issue is really important > to me, that's why I started the discussion and why I now set up the > page. I'm really hoping that this t

Re: [OSM-talk] New dimension of vandalism

2009/8/27 David Earl : > On 27/08/2009 17:21, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > > Tagging something as a motorway when it isn't signed that way or > vice-versa just because in someone's opinion it looks a more "important" > road is a rubbish way of doing it IMO. actually a motorway isn't described by p

Re: [OSM-talk] New dimension of vandalism

2009/8/27 Martin Koppenhoefer : > 2009/8/27 David Earl : >> On 27/08/2009 17:21, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: >> >> Tagging something as a motorway when it isn't signed that way or >> vice-versa just because in someone's opinion it looks a more "important" >> road is a rubbish way of doing it IMO. >

Re: [OSM-talk] OSMdoc.com - Tagwatch like interface for viewing tag data

>> http://osmdoc.com/de/tag/amenity/drinking_water#misspellings > > The possible misspellings looks like that: > drinking-water=* > > You expect the key "drinking-water" with a various value. But > key/value is shown after a click is "amenity=drinking-water". So > please change it. You are of cour

Re: [OSM-talk] New dimension of vandalism

On 27/08/2009 17:59, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > There is IMHO nothing to discuss about motorway and the > discussion was never about them. That was the subject matter of a message to talk-gb this morning - someone wanting to tag a trunk road as a motorway because it looked like one (grade sep

Re: [OSM-talk] my flag is not showing on the green

On Thu, 2009-08-27 at 16:29 +0530, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: > select node from planet_osm_point where > golf='green' as golfmarkers Try: select way,golf from planet_osm_point where golf='green' as golfmarkers * way is required for Mapnik to know where the point is located. * golf is req

Re: [OSM-talk] [RFC] Deprecating the use of Tag:highway=stop in favour of Key:stop

On 27/08/2009 09:37, Lars Francke wrote: > Hi > > >> Ideas? Comments? Flames? :-) >> > I'll have to admit that I didn't read the proposal or any of the mails > in this thread. However, I still have a comment: > All I can think of when reading "Key:stop" is that I can't wait to > finally s

Re: [OSM-talk] New dimension of vandalism

On Thu, 27 Aug 2009, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > 2009/8/27 : >> You made a change after a discussion with 8 persons and not all did >> agree. This is far below the limit for a proposal voting to become >> approved. > > 1) there is no procedure to vote upon an edit like mine (see the > guidelin

Re: [OSM-talk] New proposal: Bad data

Martin Koppenhoefer gmail.com> writes: > >> could we simply extend source=survey with a year > >> and source=landsat similarly? > >> > >> source=survey09 > >> source=landsat_trace09 > >> source=yahoo_trace08 > > > > That sounds like a good plan. > > you can easily get this information by looking

Re: [OSM-talk] my flag is not showing on the green

Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: > select node from planet_osm_point where > golf='green' as golfmarkers > > but the flag is not showing. What could be wrong? select way from planet_osm_point -- Lennard ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.

Re: [OSM-talk] How to get a notification email for a change on a watched wiki page

lulu-...@gmx.de schrieb: > Here is how to get a notification email Please allow me one comment on notification emails (this is not directly addressed to Lulu-Ann). Preface: I use it since some time and shure they are usefull. BUT: how many definition pages are you willing to put on your watch pa

Re: [OSM-talk] [RFC] Deprecating the use of Tag:highway=stop in favour of Key:stop

On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 10:05 PM, "Marc Schütz" wrote: > > Note that by requiring a junction, you make it impossible to model stop signs > don't involve a junction. Yeah, I was thinking about this too You could argue that a stop sign/"requirement to stop" should be modeled not by "a way and a

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Proposed feature: Directional node

On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 2:22 AM, Andrew MacKinnon wrote: > This is a proposal for a generic way of tagging a node which > represents an object which faces a certain way - e.g. a traffic sign > such as a stop sign. Note this is not a specific proposal on how to > tag signs of a certain type, only a

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Proposed feature: Directional node

On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 5:22 PM, Andrew MacKinnon wrote: > This is a proposal for a generic way of tagging a node which > represents an object which faces a certain way like a lighthouse with directional light? how does openseamap store those? ___ talk

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Proposed feature: Directional node

On Fri, 28 Aug 2009, Roy Wallace wrote: > On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 2:22 AM, Andrew MacKinnon wrote: >> This is a proposal for a generic way of tagging a node which >> represents an object which faces a certain way - e.g. a traffic sign >> such as a stop sign. Note this is not a specific proposal on

Re: [OSM-talk] New dimension of vandalism

2009/8/27 Christiaan Welvaart : > On Thu, 27 Aug 2009, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > It seems your translation of the german wording is incorrect. In german it > talks about 'Verkehrsbedeutung' which does not sound so bad to me. > But 'importance' is something else IMO. A road's importance can be di

Re: [OSM-talk] New dimension of vandalism

On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 9:25 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > > I tried to keep all of the text and change as little as possible, but > maybe at this point there could also be a complete "redesign" of the > page. I don't know. I wanted that the page somehow reflected the > "hierarchical-grid-aspec

Re: [OSM-talk] [RFC] Deprecating the use of Tag:highway=stop in favour of Key:stop

Disclaimer: I'm new to the OSM mailing lists, so hopefully I didn't screw up my email :D ~ I must say that I find both "Relation:type=stop" and Roy's ideas interesting. The former suggests that we abstract reality away while the latter suggests we mirror reality in OSM. Mirroring reality

[OSM-talk] [RFC] adjusting the main definition of Key:highway

please take a look at, contribute and fwd. to your local lists: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Highway_key_voting_importance cheers, Martin ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk

Re: [OSM-talk] New proposal: Bad data

2009/8/28 Jukka Rahkonen : > Are history data very reliable to be used that way?  For example splitting a > way > for some technical reason does not necessarily mean that the whole way was > surveyd again. As someone else already wrote, this information should be stored in the change set tags, no

Re: [OSM-talk] [RFC] Deprecating the use of Tag:highway=stop in favour of Key:stop

2009/8/28 Roy Wallace : > On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 10:05 PM, "Marc Schütz" wrote: >> >> Note that by requiring a junction, you make it impossible to model stop >> signs don't involve a junction. > > Yeah, I was thinking about this too You could argue that a stop > sign/"requirement to stop" sho

Re: [OSM-talk] New dimension of vandalism

All, please note that 'Dieterdreist' (german) translates to 'brazen Dieter' / 'uppity Dieter'. My vote got deleted by him _without any notice_. *** ** ** ***! http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php?title=Highway_key_voting_importance&diff=328929&oldid=328922

Re: [OSM-talk] [RFC] Deprecating the use of Tag:highway=stop in favour of Key:stop

John Smith wrote: >2009/8/28 Roy Wallace : >> How about this...just tag a node (must be on a way) where the stop >> sign/line is in reality, with the following: >> stop:forward=yes, or >> stop:backward=yes, or >> stop=yes (for a node on a oneway=yes way, else implies the stop sign >> applies in bo

Re: [OSM-talk] [RFC] Deprecating the use of Tag:highway=stop in favour of Key:stop

2009/8/28 Norbert Hoffmann : > No, Roy wants to tag the semantics of the stop-sign. If this really > simplifies the task of the data consumers, it's all the better. It seems the problem Roy is trying to solve is to seperate lanes out, of a dual direction way by use of a relation and pitting it ag

Re: [OSM-talk] my flag is not showing on the green

On Friday 28 Aug 2009 12:08:37 am Jon Burgess wrote: > On Thu, 2009-08-27 at 16:29 +0530, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: > > select node from planet_osm_point where > > golf='green' as golfmarkers > > Try: > > select way,golf from planet_osm_point where golf='green' as golfmarkers > > * way is req

Re: [OSM-talk] [RFC] Deprecating the use of Tag:highway=stop in favour of Key:stop

On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 4:18 PM, John Smith wrote: > 2009/8/28 Norbert Hoffmann : > >> No, Roy wants to tag the semantics of the stop-sign. If this really >> simplifies the task of the data consumers, it's all the better. > > It seems the problem Roy is trying to solve is to seperate lanes out, > o

Re: [OSM-talk] [RFC] Deprecating the use of Tag:highway=stop in favour of Key:stop

2009/8/28 Roy Wallace : > So what are you proposing? How should we tag stop signs? To me, it > seems you are suggesting that stop signs should *only* be tagged on > ways that are oneway=yes. What are you proposing? Nothing of the sort. We really don't seem to be on the same wave length at times.

Re: [OSM-talk] [RFC] Deprecating the use of Tag:highway=stop in favour of Key:stop

John Smith wrote: >> No, Roy wants to tag the semantics of the stop-sign. If this really >> simplifies the task of the data consumers, it's all the better. > > It seems the problem Roy is trying to solve is to seperate lanes out, > of a dual direction way by use of a relation and pitting it agains