Re: [OpenStreetMap Serbia] Naming issues in kosovo

2011-12-14 Thread Arianit Dobroshi
Gentlemen, Quit bringing your extreme nationalism to the discussion. The map should be useful to the local people. There are two official languages in Kosovo, Albanian and Serbian. Other languages can be used locally when at least 5% of the population uses them. I hope you stick to this.

[talk-ph] Fwd: towns and inter-town roads

2011-12-14 Thread maning sambale
Forwarding this mail to the list for further discussion. -- Forwarded message -- From: maning sambale emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com Date: Thu, Dec 15, 2011 at 12:00 PM Subject: Re: towns and inter-town roads Dear Ed and everyone, I actually proposed this naming scheme for national

[OSM-talk-be] Informal meeting in STUK Leuven on January 6th

2011-12-14 Thread Jo
Hi, I want to announce another informal meeting in STUK Leuven on January 6th 2012. Topics we might discuss: JOSM, introduction (for newbies) and advanced uses like - How to reassign shortcut keys - How to work with photos in combination with GPX tracks - How to put emphasis on the

Re: [OSM-talk-be] Informal meeting in STUK Leuven on January 6th

2011-12-14 Thread Ben Abelshausen
I will try to make it to Leuven this time! Maybe the licence change and how to handle it in an organized manner could be dicussed as well? Does someone have an idea of the (inactive)users that still need to be contacted regarding the licence change? There are a few users with a huge amount of

Re: [OSM-talk-be] Informal meeting in STUK Leuven on January 6th

2011-12-14 Thread Sander Deryckere
I won't be able to make it. The exams will be rather close on January 6. But would it be possible to make a little report on it? Certainly on the license change things? Regards, Sander Op 14 dec. 2011 10:53 schreef Ben Abelshausen ben.abelshau...@gmail.com het volgende: I will try to make it

Re: [OSM-talk-be] Informal meeting in STUK Leuven on January 6th

2011-12-14 Thread Jan-willem De Bleser
At least one week later would also be better for me, as I'm away for Christmas. Cheers, Jw On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 11:47, Jo winfi...@gmail.com wrote: What about one week later? The date is not set in stone. Jo 2011/12/14 Ben Abelshausen ben.abelshau...@gmail.com Now that Sander mentions

Re: [OSM-talk-be] Informal meeting in STUK Leuven on January 6th

2011-12-14 Thread Sander Deryckere
I have exams until February 3 I believe, so one week would not be enough for me. But I don't mind if you do it without me. Op 14 dec. 2011 11:47 schreef Jo winfi...@gmail.com het volgende: What about one week later? The date is not set in stone. Jo 2011/12/14 Ben Abelshausen

Re: [OSM-talk-be] Informal meeting in STUK Leuven on January 6th

2011-12-14 Thread Peter Verschueren
Hello, new user here. How can I accept the new license? Thanks a lot. No exams here, so the date does not matter. WB Op 14-dec.-2011 om 12:59 heeft Jo winfi...@gmail.com het volgende geschreven: We can have a meeting like this every month anyway, but I'm going to postpone it one week. I'm

Re: [OSM-talk-be] Informal meeting in STUK Leuven on January 6th

2011-12-14 Thread Ben Abelshausen
Depends how you define new but recent users should already have accepted when creating their account. You can see the status on your 'user' page under *Contributor terms* Here is mine: http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Ben Abelshausen oh and welcome to OSM! :-) On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 1:13 PM,

Re: [OSM-talk] Editing of content that will be deleted on April 1st

2011-12-14 Thread Simon Poole
Sorry but Frederik and my numbers (odbl.poole.ch) are compatible (odbl.de naturally not, RTFM). Just because some areas look like a big red blob, doesn't mean that are lot of useful (ie non-imported) data is being lost, look at Spain for example. Simon Am 14.12.2011 02:12, schrieb Jo: The

Re: [OSM-talk] Mails to undecided mappers (was: Editing of content that will be deleted on April 1st)

2011-12-14 Thread Janko Mihelić
I suggest the OSM heat map http://yosmhm.neis-one.org/ for personalizing your message. I also tried looking for their nick on Google, because many people use the same nick on several services. Janko Mihelić 2011/12/14 Tobias Knerr o...@tobias-knerr.de David Earl wrote: When writing the

Re: [OSM-talk] Mails to undecided mappers

2011-12-14 Thread Jean-Marc Liotier
On 14/12/2011 02:49, Tobias Knerr wrote: When writing the mails, I put some effort into personalizing the mail for the recipient by looking at their user and edits page on osm.org. Writing in the user's native language also helps a lot. When the user has no personal page on the wiki, looking

[OSM-talk] Who mapped it first with ref to forth coming deletions

2011-12-14 Thread john whelan
I was looking at the map that showed contributions from those who hadn't agreed to the new terms. One section I found interesting since I knew I'd mapped it first from a GPS trace I'd made but looking through the history I noticed another name before mine who hadn't agreed to the new terms. I

Re: [OSM-talk] [OSM-legal-talk] License Change View on OSM Inspector

2011-12-14 Thread Andrew
Frederik Ramm frederik at remote.org writes: Hi, apologies if this is the 2nd or 3rd time you're reading this, I have posted to dev and legal-talk yesterday in the hope that any major bugs could be ironed out before I announce this to a wider audience. I have added a world-wide

Re: [OSM-talk] Who mapped it first with ref to forth coming deletions

2011-12-14 Thread Simon Poole
Yes. There are a large number of situations were depending on - sequence of edit operations - intermediate upload and generation of new object ids you will get different owners of objects. This is why it is highly likely that split and mergers will not be taken in to account in any automatic

[OSM-talk] tools for the transition (was: Editing of content that will be deleted on April 1st)

2011-12-14 Thread Hillsman, Edward
Two requests to help us prioritize our work: When I receive e-mail via the OSM e-mail system, I also receive a message from my real e-mail account (my ISP) that a message has arrived at my OSM account. When the effort was made to contact all users who had not (as of that time) agreed to the

Re: [OSM-talk] tools for the transition (was: Editing of content that will be deleted on April 1st)

2011-12-14 Thread Simon Poole
Am 14.12.2011 14:08, schrieb Hillsman, Edward: Two requests to help us prioritize our work: . Right now we are remapping and contacting in the dark. Bad customer service is We are changing things, you deal with it. Good customer service is We need to make some changes, we

Re: [OSM-talk] tools for the transition (was: Editing of content that will be deleted on April 1st)

2011-12-14 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Edward Hillsman wrote: that Potlatch does not highlight everything that even the OSM Inspector designates as being at risk of removal or reversion (giving false positives and false negatives; I have identified one of each in the area I map) Potlatch 2 uses exactly the same source as OSM

Re: [OSM-talk] tools for the transition (was: Editing of content that will be deleted on April 1st)

2011-12-14 Thread Josh Doe
On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 8:23 AM, Simon Poole si...@poole.ch wrote: Am 14.12.2011 14:08, schrieb Hillsman, Edward: Two requests to help us prioritize our work: . Right now we are remapping and contacting in the dark. Bad customer service is We are changing things, you deal

Re: [OSM-talk] Who mapped it first with ref to forth coming deletions

2011-12-14 Thread Nick Whitelegg
Doesn't make any difference to the CTs, but I've noticed but I'm not the first named author of a few ways which I'm 99.99% sure that I created: the ways with the ID 2232-2235. I still remember the surveying/editing session in which I created the ways. These were very early ways (spring 2006)

Re: [OSM-talk] Who mapped it first with ref to forth coming deletions

2011-12-14 Thread 80n
On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 3:54 PM, Nick Whitelegg nick.whitel...@solent.ac.uk wrote: Doesn't make any difference to the CTs, but I've noticed but I'm not the first named author of a few ways which I'm 99.99% sure that I created: the ways with the ID 2232-2235. I still remember the

Re: [OSM-talk] Who mapped it first with ref to forth coming deletions

2011-12-14 Thread john whelan
Thank you, its nice to know these things. Fun stuff. Cheerio John On 14 December 2011 11:31, 80n 80n...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 3:54 PM, Nick Whitelegg nick.whitel...@solent.ac.uk wrote: Doesn't make any difference to the CTs, but I've noticed but I'm not the first

Re: [OSM-talk] Who mapped it first with ref to forth coming deletions - implication

2011-12-14 Thread john whelan
So essentially all data that existed on this date will need to be deleted since we can't be sure who entered or edited it or if they have agreed to the new license if the .odbl database is to be clean. Cheerio John On 14 December 2011 11:31, 80n 80n...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at

Re: [OSM-talk] Who mapped it first with ref to forth coming deletions - implication

2011-12-14 Thread Richard Weait
On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 1:15 PM, john whelan jwhelan0...@gmail.com wrote: So essentially all data that existed on this date will need to be deleted since we can't be sure who entered or edited it or if they have agreed to the new license if the .odbl database is to be clean. That's quite a

Re: [OSM-talk] Who mapped it first with ref to forth coming deletions - implication

2011-12-14 Thread David Groom
- Original Message - From: Richard Weait rich...@weait.com To: talk@openstreetmap.org Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2011 6:32 PM Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] Who mapped it first with ref to forth coming deletions - implication On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 1:15 PM, john whelan

Re: [OSM-talk] tools for the transition (was: Editing of content that will be deleted on April 1st)

2011-12-14 Thread Nathan Edgars II
The other thing that's needed is a way to mark an object as clean. For example, if a red mapper added name=Citgo to an existing gas station, and I verify that it's Citgo (and maybe add other tags such as address), how do I prevent the OSMF from reverting it?

Re: [OSM-talk] Who mapped it first with ref to forth coming deletions - implication

2011-12-14 Thread Maarten Deen
On 14-12-2011 19:32, Richard Weait wrote: On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 1:15 PM, john whelanjwhelan0...@gmail.com wrote: So essentially all data that existed on this date will need to be deleted since we can't be sure who entered or edited it or if they have agreed to the new license if the .odbl

Re: [OSM-talk] Who mapped it first with ref to forth coming deletions - implication

2011-12-14 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Maarten Deen wrote: Well, since all history of that data before API v0.5 is lost Hey hey hey. Slow down. Data before API 0.5 is _not_ lost. It is archived. cheers Richard -- View this message in context:

Re: [OSM-talk] Who mapped it first with ref to forth coming deletions - implication

2011-12-14 Thread andrzej zaborowski
On 14 December 2011 20:14, Maarten Deen md...@xs4all.nl wrote: On 14-12-2011 19:32, Richard Weait wrote: On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 1:15 PM, john whelanjwhelan0...@gmail.com  wrote: So essentially all data that existed on this date will need to be deleted since we can't be sure who entered or

[OSM-talk] Google Map Maker gets a UI overhaul

2011-12-14 Thread Martijn van Exel
I didn't even know that GMM had introduced peer reviewed edits, apparently they did so a while ago. 'Review some contributions and get yours reviewed faster' is what it told me when I logged in. And now they overhauled the UI to make it that much easier to contribute. We're definitely losing

Re: [OSM-talk] Who mapped it first with ref to forth coming deletions - implication

2011-12-14 Thread Maarten Deen
On 14-12-2011 20:32, Richard Fairhurst wrote: Maarten Deen wrote: Well, since all history of that data before API v0.5 is lost Hey hey hey. Slow down. Data before API 0.5 is _not_ lost. It is archived. That is something different than what 80n said earlier, quoting a message from Frederik

Re: [OSM-talk] Who mapped it first with ref to forth coming deletions - implication

2011-12-14 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Maarten Deen wrote: That is something different than what 80n said earlier 80n, not for the first time, is wrong. So, which is it? Cleared and no details about any previous modifications or archived and earlier details available? You have to excuse the confusion, because these are

[OSM-talk] JOSM error in downloading?

2011-12-14 Thread Nathan Edgars II
I recently updated JOSM to the latest tested (though it still has the sluggishness issues I reported a few months ago) and can no longer download from the Overpass API. When I try to download

Re: [OSM-talk] Transition to CC-4 instead of destroying data

2011-12-14 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 12/14/2011 4:13 PM, Stefan de Konink wrote: Could you point on the wiki which problems will arise by not changing at all - or posing a future transition to a next version of the Creative Commons license? I've read through many discussions, and the only reasons I've seen for changing the

Re: [OSM-talk] Google Map Maker gets a UI overhaul

2011-12-14 Thread Tobias Knerr
Martijn van Exel wrote: We're definitely losing (potential) mappers to GMM. I don't have to tell you that's a shame -- all that effort going into creating non-free data. But how do we divert some of that energy to OSM? Well, let's ask a Map Maker user:

Re: [OSM-talk] Google Map Maker gets a UI overhaul

2011-12-14 Thread Michal Migurski
On Dec 14, 2011, at 1:48 PM, Tobias Knerr wrote: Martijn van Exel wrote: We're definitely losing (potential) mappers to GMM. I don't have to tell you that's a shame -- all that effort going into creating non-free data. But how do we divert some of that energy to OSM? Well, let's ask a Map

[OSM-talk] An example of the complications inherent in determining tainted ways

2011-12-14 Thread Nathan Edgars II
I will look at a single suburban roadway: Westwood Boulevard in the International Drive tourist area south of Orlando. This started out as a TIGER way: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/11197961/history 80n (orange) and kyrbyboy (red) have made some improvements to alignment, but have

Re: [OSM-talk] An example of the complications inherent in determining tainted ways

2011-12-14 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, On 12/15/2011 02:58 AM, Nathan Edgars II wrote: So what here will be reverted by the OSMF? Obviously node 250413743 needs to be replaced by another node in the same general location. But other than that, is everything tainted because it was split from a tainted way? Or is nothing else

Re: [OSM-talk] Google Map Maker gets a UI overhaul

2011-12-14 Thread Martijn van Exel
On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 1:21 PM, pec...@gmail.com pec...@gmail.com wrote: 2011. gada 14. decembris 21:57 Martijn van Exel m...@rtijn.org rakstīja: I didn't even know that GMM had introduced peer reviewed edits, apparently they did so a while ago. 'Review some contributions and get yours

Re: [OSM-talk] Friends

2011-12-14 Thread Mikel Maron
From: Toby Murray toby.mur...@gmail.com To: talk@openstreetmap.org Sent: Friday, December 2, 2011 5:03 PM Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] Friends One thing I have thought might not be too hard to code up and provide some use would be to have a Recent edits by my

Re: [OSM-talk] An example of the complications inherent in determining tainted ways

2011-12-14 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 12/14/2011 9:45 PM, Frederik Ramm wrote: It has been explained already but I'll repeat it - OSMF/LWG has not yet decided what they will do with regards to the finer points of complex object relicensing. This means that none of your questions above has an answer. And OSMF is not going to

Re: [OSM-talk] Google Map Maker gets a UI overhaul

2011-12-14 Thread Russ Nelson
Tobias Knerr writes: For people who are primarily motivated by applications they can use today, rather than the potential for future applications, we're just not that attractive - at least as far as mainstream applications are concerned. OSMAnd. Offline vector maps. Google Maps can't

Re: [OSM-talk] Transition to CC-4 instead of destroying data

2011-12-14 Thread Russ Nelson
Nathan Edgars II writes: I've read through many discussions, and the only reasons I've seen for changing the license ASAP are based on the fear of someone ripping off our work and our being powerless to do anything. That is my understanding as well. I've been against relicensing from the

Re: [OSM-talk] An example of the complications inherent in determining tainted ways

2011-12-14 Thread Toby Murray
Yeah, a healthy chunk of the interstates in Kansas are the same way. I didn't go quite as deep as Nathan but this way is a relevant example: http://osm.mapki.com/history/way.php?id=33576021 User moonwashed created this way by splitting it from a TIGER way. He made several more edits to it but the

[OSM-talk] Harming the community

2011-12-14 Thread Serge Wroclawski
It seems every six months or so, a new set of license troll discussions come up. It's the same people. I can name names if necessary, but I think the old timers mostly know who the trolls are by now. They suck energy from the lists, they suck energy from the projects. They criticize the process,

Re: [OSM-talk] Harming the community

2011-12-14 Thread Jeffrey Johnson
How do I +1 a mailing list post?? On Thu, Dec 15, 2011 at 11:56 AM, Serge Wroclawski emac...@gmail.com wrote: It seems every six months or so, a new set of license troll discussions come up. It's the same people. I can name names if necessary, but I think the old timers mostly know who the

Re: [OSM-talk] Harming the community

2011-12-14 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 12/14/2011 11:56 PM, Serge Wroclawski wrote: 3. The list moderators need to step up and do their jobs. This nonsense is disruptive and it needs to end. Discussion is fine, but inflammatory language and lies are not. Could you have made a more inflammatory post? (Well, sure, you could have,

Re: [OSM-talk] Harming the community

2011-12-14 Thread mick
On Wed, 14 Dec 2011 23:56:01 -0500 Serge Wroclawski emac...@gmail.com wrote: It seems every six months or so, a new set of license troll discussions come up. It's the same people. I can name names if necessary, but I think the old timers mostly know who the trolls are by now. They suck

Re: [OSM-talk] Harming the community

2011-12-14 Thread Russ Nelson
Serge Wroclawski writes: It seems every six months or so, a new set of license troll discussions come up. I wasn't trolling. You are. Stop it. -- --my blog is athttp://blog.russnelson.com Crynwr supports open source software 521 Pleasant Valley Rd. | +1 315-600-8815 Potsdam, NY

Re: [OSM-talk] Google Map Maker gets a UI overhaul

2011-12-14 Thread Toby Murray
On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 9:35 PM, Russ Nelson nel...@crynwr.com wrote: OSMAnd. Offline vector maps. Google Maps can't touch that. +1 Especially with the OsmAnd update I got from the Android market a few days ago. Offline vector rendering was functional before. Now it's downright beautiful. On

Re: [OSM-talk] Google Map Maker gets a UI overhaul

2011-12-14 Thread Kev js1982
The Google maps app, via a labs add on, allows you to download offline vector maps! Okay they are only 10sq mi each and you are limited to 10 of them but its still possible. Kev On Dec 15, 2011 3:39 AM, Russ Nelson nel...@crynwr.com wrote: Tobias Knerr writes: For people who are primarily

Re: [OSM-talk] Google Map Maker gets a UI overhaul

2011-12-14 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, On 12/15/2011 03:45 AM, Martijn van Exel wrote: innovating leveraged gamification (GMM has 'superstar mappers' I believe) leverage I think you're reading too much off the blurby stuff ;) Thing is: Google has a gazillion more $$$ than we do, and they can buy all of Peru to do UI work for

[OSM-talk-nl] Tile server problemen

2011-12-14 Thread Peter Peterse
Hallo, Weet iemand wat er aan de hand is met de server http://tile.openstreetmap.nl vanaf zoom 12 worden de tiles op de achtergrond gerenderd. Alvast bedankt voor het kijken naar het probleem. Groeten, Peter ___ Talk-nl mailing list

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] Tile server problemen

2011-12-14 Thread Peter Peterse
On Wed, 14 Dec 2011, Peter Peterse wrote: Weet iemand wat er aan de hand is met de server http://tile.openstreetmap.nl vanaf zoom 12 worden de tiles op de achtergrond gerenderd. Alvast bedankt voor het kijken naar het probleem. Ik kan alvast vertellen dat renderd niet meer draait.

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] Tile server problemen

2011-12-14 Thread Stefan de Konink
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Op 14-12-11 16:21, Peter Peterse schreef: bedankt, wie kan hier naar kijken. Enige tijd geleden was dit ook al het geval. Is het een onstabiel proces dat renderd? Mapnik lekt geheugen, en zover ik kon zien stond het al in een automatisch herstart

[OSM-talk-nl] Wat gaan we met Openbaar Vervoer data doen

2011-12-14 Thread Stefan de Konink
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Het onderwerp draagt deze hele e-mail. Zoals jullie inmiddels weten is er een bron van 'open data' dat van vervoerders afkomt, maar niet in een staat is van 'alwetend' en zeker fouten bevat. Wat zouden jullie het liefste willen, iets wat kan

[OSM-talk-nl] uitspraak rechtzaak NWB

2011-12-14 Thread dbussche
de rechter staat vrijgave van het NWB toe en wijst niet alleen het spoedeisende belang af (dat was makkelijk geweest) maar legt ook uit waarom het inhoudelijk niet waarschijnlijk is dat het vrijgeven van het NWB verboden is:

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] uitspraak rechtzaak NWB

2011-12-14 Thread Christ van Willegen
2011/12/15 dbuss...@goudappel.nl: de rechter staat vrijgave van het NWB toe en wijst niet alleen het spoedeisende belang af (dat was makkelijk geweest) maar legt ook uit waarom het inhoudelijk niet waarschijnlijk is dat het vrijgeven van het NWB verboden is: Dat is goed nieuws! Christ van

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] Bushaltes en GSM antennes

2011-12-14 Thread Robert Elsenaar
Collega's, Floris schreef: Stefan is niet akkoord met de CT en ik verwacht ook niet dat dat nog gaat gebeuren :) Onder andere door het importeren van data op z'n eigen account is dit waarschijnlijk niet eens een optie. Ik heb nog eens in een PM wat vragen aan Stefan gesteld. Hier mijn

Re: [talk-au] Residential Roads

2011-12-14 Thread John Henderson
On 10/12/11 21:11, Sam Couter wrote: Many urban residential roads have speed limits of 60 or maybe 70km/h. I think rural roads with moderately dense residential acre blocks and 80km/h speed limits are still residential, unless they're also the main route to a neighbouring town, in which case

Re: [talk-au] Residential Roads

2011-12-14 Thread John Henderson
On 11/12/11 08:35, Sam Couter wrote: In the ACT 50km/h is the default if there are no signs. I know that's what the road signs say as you enter the ACT. It's also repeated on official ACT government web sites. But it's an over-simplification. The ACT version of the Australian Road Rules

[talk-au] Re-entering data to avoid licensing failure

2011-12-14 Thread John Henderson
As time and opportunity arises, I've started re-entering rural roads where it's clear that the original is scheduled for deletion. I'm deleting the old way completely, and re-entering it from GPS data I'm gathering. JOSM now has a License Check plugin to identify potential deletions, bringing

Re: [talk-au] Re-entering data to avoid licensing failure

2011-12-14 Thread Ross Scanlon
That's fine so long as you are not transferring any tags from the original way. See Frederik's comments to NE2 re this, on the osm-talk list. Mind you, you've got a lot to do in AU. Cheers Ross On 14/12/11 13:56, John Henderson wrote: As time and opportunity arises, I've started

[talk-au] another badly mapped junction

2011-12-14 Thread Frank
around -37.932622, 145.1560615 can somebody familiar with the area make this into a sensible junction? Frank ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au

Re: [talk-au] Re-entering data to avoid licensing failure

2011-12-14 Thread John Henderson
On 15/12/11 02:15, Ross Scanlon wrote: That's fine so long as you are not transferring any tags from the original way. Yes, and that's why I'm trying not to reuse any original nodes. I imagine a lot of corners and other detail is going to disappear from some ways which remain (as I interpret

Re: [talk-au] Re-entering data to avoid licensing failure

2011-12-14 Thread Nick Hocking
Hi John, For towns that I have completely suryeyed, I will be remapping roads, as necessary to ensure that my survey work is not lost to the project. These roads will be completely replaced by my original data, maybe with some help from Bing imagery where it will help improve the accuracy of my

Re: [talk-au] Re-entering data to avoid licensing failure

2011-12-14 Thread Ben Kelley
Hi. I think it's clear we need an automated way to remove non-new-ct-accepting edits from ways where v1 was by an acceptor. Even assuming the trace data is in OSM there is still an immense amount of work needed to cleanse these ways. - Ben Kelley.

Re: [talk-au] Re-entering data to avoid licensing failure

2011-12-14 Thread Ross Scanlon
Problem with this is that you are breaching copyright. This is the same as what the user did with the data in Sydney and it was removed by the data working group. It's also what Frederik was discussing on the talk list in regards to NE2. You are not resolving the issue of the original data

Re: [talk-au] Re-entering data to avoid licensing failure

2011-12-14 Thread Ian Sergeant
No I'm not. I think you may be misunderstanding what I am doing. If the v1 object author has agreed to the CTs, but the v2 author has not, I simply delete the object, load the v1 object directly, make my changes, link the object and attribute the v1 author using the attribution tag. No

Re: [talk-au] Re-entering data to avoid licensing failure

2011-12-14 Thread Mark Pulley
Only if v1 is from a non-acceptor. I assumed from Ian's post that v1 is from an acceptor. (Or have I read that wrong?) Quoting Ross Scanlon i...@4x4falcon.com: Problem with this is that you are breaching copyright. Cheers Ross On 15/12/11 12:34, Ian Sergeant wrote: For a couple of objects,

Re: [Talk-de] Nutzung OpenData der Vermessungsverwaltung Bayern

2011-12-14 Thread Manuel Reimer
Manuel Reimer Manuel.Spam at nurfuerspam.de writes: Mittlerweile habe ich Antwort erhalten. Die E-Mail hängt im Original an diesem Posting. Aus irgendeinem Grund hat gmane nicht nur mein Attachment sondern auch meine zweite Mail (hatte den Mailinhalt der Mail von der Vermessungsverwaltung in

Re: [Talk-de] GPS Tracks vereinfacht hochladen?

2011-12-14 Thread Felix Hartmann
Wenn dein GPS Device intelligent loggen kann, dann mach es. Ein Punkt pro Sekunde ist meist vom Ergebnis deutlich schlechter wie ein intelligentes vermeiden zu vielen Punkte - vor allem da dein Device dann da die internen Qualitätsdaten noch vorhanden sind, Outlier rausschmeißen kann.

[Talk-de] Datenqualität Köln, Straßen im Umkreis finden, Straßen in Stadtgebiet finden

2011-12-14 Thread Marian Steinbach
Guten Tag zusammen! Ich habe drei Fragen an die OSM-Community: 1. Kann man eine Aussage darüber treffen, wie vollständig die Straßendaten für die Stadt Köln zum aktuellen Zeitpunkt sind? Mich interessiert vor allem, inwieweit alle Straßen grundsätzlich vorhanden sind. Eine aufs Prozent genaue

Re: [Talk-de] Lizenzwechsel-View im OSM Inspector

2011-12-14 Thread Peter Wendorff
Hi. Beim Key weiß ichs nicht, beim value bin ich mir nicht sicher. Mir fielen die Öffnungszeiten etc. ein: Tu durch Th ersetzt = inhaltliche Änderung und Werk(?) Wr durch We ersetzt = Tippfehlerkorrektur und kein Werk(?) Bei den Tags könnte man überlegen, ob man solche Ähnlichkeiten testweise

Re: [Talk-de] Lizenzwechsel-View im OSM Inspector

2011-12-14 Thread Andreas Braunmiller
Wie steht es mit Objekten, die vom Benutzer 0 angelegt wurden (z.B. hier http://wtfe.gryph.de/harmless/way/5200472)? Dieser Benutzer wird ja als ct denier geführt. Gruß, Andreas On 13.12.2011 17:28, Frederik Ramm wrote: (...) Sieht mir nach einem Fehler aus. Solche Aenderungen sollten als

[Talk-de] Verkehrsfluss-Analysen War: GPS Tracks vereinfacht hochladen?

2011-12-14 Thread Tobias Hobmeier
Am 14.12.2011 08:22, schrieb Georg Feddern: Die von Martin angesprochenen bestimmten Anwendungsfälle erfordern allerdings auch unter entsprechenden Anwendungsfällen aufgezeichnete Tracks - meine Mapping-Praxis weicht dazu doch zu sehr vom Verkehrsfluss ab, mehr als ich war mal da bieten sie

Re: [Talk-de] Lizenzwechsel-View im OSM Inspector

2011-12-14 Thread Simon Poole
Das dürfte wohl ein anonymer Mapper gewesen sein. Frederik hat eine Liste der Changesets solcher Benutzer bekommen (anonym natürlich) die OK sind und anscheinend auch solche die abgelehnt haben (nur Spekulation meinerseits). Simon Am 14.12.2011 10:56, schrieb Andreas Braunmiller: Wie steht

Re: [Talk-de] GPS Tracks vereinfacht hochladen?

2011-12-14 Thread Manuel Reimer
Felix Hartmann extremecarver at gmail.com writes: Wenn dein GPS Device intelligent loggen kann, dann mach es. Kann es nicht. Gerade wer ein Garmin hat (weil weit verbreitet) errreicht mit Aufzeichnungsintervall automatisch / Datendichte am höchsten deutlich bessere Ergebnisse wie bei

Re: [Talk-de] Datenqualität Köln, Straßen im Umkreis finden, Straßen in Stadtgebiet finden

2011-12-14 Thread Dietmar
Hallo Marian, zu 1. Köln konkret. in meiner Straßenlistenauswertung habe ich leider nur Bonn und Leverkusen [1]. Der frühere Straßenlistenauswerter, Florian Lohoff, hatte alle Gemeinden und Städte NRWs, hat mir die Daten aber leider nicht übergeben, obwohl von ihm und anderen für OSM

Re: [Talk-de] Datenqualität Köln, Straßen im Umkreis finden, Straßen in Stadtgebiet finden

2011-12-14 Thread Benjamin Lebsanft
Hallo, Der frühere Straßenlistenauswerter, Florian Lohoff, hatte alle Gemeinden und Städte NRWs, hat mir die Daten aber leider nicht übergeben, obwohl von ihm und anderen für OSM zusammengetragen. Hat er dir damals nicht die Daten versprochen? Ich finde es ehrlich gesagt keine feine Art, da

Re: [Talk-de] Lizenzwechsel-View im OSM Inspector

2011-12-14 Thread bkmap
Am 14.12.2011 00:22, schrieb Frederik Ramm: Fallen Euch Beispiele ein, bei dem das Austauschen eines Keys ein echtes Werk sein koennte? Bei highway=* und andere main tags auf jeden Fall. Wenn z.B. highway=unclassified (vom Luftbild abgemalt) in highway=residential geändert wurde (weil

Re: [Talk-de] Lizenzwechsel-View im OSM Inspector

2011-12-14 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hallo, On 12/14/11 11:17, Simon Poole wrote: Das dürfte wohl ein anonymer Mapper gewesen sein. Frederik hat eine Liste der Changesets solcher Benutzer bekommen (anonym natürlich) die OK sind und anscheinend auch solche die abgelehnt haben (nur Spekulation meinerseits). Nur die, die OK sind;

Re: [Talk-de] GPS Tracks vereinfacht hochladen?

2011-12-14 Thread Manuel Reimer
Georg Feddern osm at bavarianmallet.de writes: Ich bereinige mit RouteConverter grundsätzlich auf 1 m Abstand, um die angesprochenen Punktwolken zu beseitigen. Punktewolken lösche ich manuell raus. Die von Martin angesprochenen bestimmten Anwendungsfälle erfordern allerdings auch unter

Re: [Talk-de] Lizenzwechsel-View im OSM Inspector

2011-12-14 Thread Chris66
Beispiel: version 1: user1 (Zustimmer) erste Version higway=residental version 2: user2 (Ablehner) oneway=yes version 3: user3 (Zustimmer) name=Ortsstraße version 4: user4 (Zustimmer) surface=paved version 5: user5 (Zustimmer) width=6 version 6: user6 (Zustimmer)

Re: [Talk-de] Lizenzwechsel-View im OSM Inspector

2011-12-14 Thread bkmap
Am 13.12.2011 16:35, schrieb Frederik Ramm: In einem Fall, in dem Nichtzustimmer A einen Way mit 50 Nodes anlegt und Zustimmer B den dann aufsplittet in zwei, wird der OSMI nur die eine Haelfte des Ways rot einmalen und die andere fuer sauber halten; in diesem Fall erkennt man aber an den

Re: [Talk-de] Lizenzwechsel-View im OSM Inspector

2011-12-14 Thread bkmap
Ich muss grad grinsen. Ob das wirklich ein Werk im juristischen Sinne darstellt wenn jemand zu einem Way ein oneyway=yes hinzufügt !? Aber gut, die Telekom durfte das magenta-T auch als Ihr Eigentum schützen lassen. ;-) Muss auch grinsen, wenn ich das schreibe. Komme mir schon vor, wie einer

Re: [Talk-de] Datenqualität Köln, Straßen im Umkreis finden, Straßen in Stadtgebiet finden

2011-12-14 Thread Dietmar
Hallo Benni, ja, hat er versprochen, aber es kam dann nichts von ihm. Ich habe ihm 4 oder 5mal eine Mail geschrieben. Keine Antwort von ihm. Die Mailadresse ist wohl noch aktiv, er postet ab und zu damit und frühere hatte ich über diese auch Kontakt zu ihm. Danach habe ich die Sache mit einem

Re: [Talk-de] Datenqualität Köln, Straßen im Umkreis finden, Straßen in Stadtgebiet finden

2011-12-14 Thread Marian Steinbach
Erst mal Danke für die Antwort! Kommentare siehe inline. Am 14. Dezember 2011 11:25 schrieb Dietmar ostr...@diesei.de: Hallo Marian, zu 1. Köln konkret. in meiner Straßenlistenauswertung habe ich leider nur Bonn und Leverkusen [1]. Der frühere Straßenlistenauswerter, Florian Lohoff, hatte

Re: [Talk-de] Verkehrsfluss-Analysen War: GPS Tracks vereinfacht hochladen?

2011-12-14 Thread Stephan Knauss
Tobias Hobmeier writes: Am 14.12.2011 08:22, schrieb Georg Feddern: Verkehrsfluss ab, mehr als ich war mal da bieten sie nicht an sinnvoller Information. Allein aus dem Grund lade ich sie auch als Privat hoch, damit sie nicht irrtümlich Verkehrsfluss-Analysen Vorsicht! Es gibt keine privaten

Re: [Talk-de] Datenqualität Köln, Straßen im Umkreis finden, Straßen in Stadtgebiet finden

2011-12-14 Thread Dietmar
Hallo Marian, Marian Steinbach schrieb am: Mittwoch, 14. Dezember 2011 12:07 Heißt das, du wärst auch an dieser Liste interessiert? Das wäre ein Stück mehr Motivation, mich darum zu bemühen. Klar, immer her damit. Du kannst soviele Straßenlisten aus Deiner Gegend anbringen, wie Du willst,

Re: [Talk-de] Lizenzwechsel-View im OSM Inspector

2011-12-14 Thread Stephan Knauss
Frederik Ramm writes: On 12/14/11 11:17, Simon Poole wrote: Das dürfte wohl ein anonymer Mapper gewesen sein. Frederik hat eine Liste der Changesets solcher Benutzer bekommen (anonym natürlich) die OK sind und anscheinend auch solche die abgelehnt haben (nur Spekulation meinerseits). Nur

Re: [Talk-de] Datenqualität Köln, Straßen im Umkreis finden, Straßen in Stadtgebiet finden

2011-12-14 Thread Klaus-Hermann Otto Stanislaus Plöger
Moin Ich schick Dir mal das poly-file von Köln, dann kannst Du Köln mit Osmosis ausschneiden. osmosis --read-xml file=koeln.osm --bp file=koeln.poly --write-xml file=koeln_stadt.osm -- Mit freundlichen Grüßen Klaus PGP-Key: E7701DCF Am Mittwoch, den 14.12.2011, 09:32 +0100 schrieb Marian

Re: [Talk-de] Datenqualität Köln, Straßen im Umkreis finden, Straßen in Stadtgebiet finden

2011-12-14 Thread Marian Steinbach
Am 14. Dezember 2011 12:43 schrieb Klaus-Hermann Otto Stanislaus Plöger k.ploe...@gastradata.de: ** Moin Ich schick Dir mal das poly-file von Köln, dann kannst Du Köln mit Osmosis ausschneiden. osmosis --read-xml file=koeln.osm --bp file=koeln.poly --write-xml file=koeln_stadt.osm Ja

Re: [Talk-de] Lizenzwechsel-View im OSM Inspector

2011-12-14 Thread Simon Poole
Am 14.12.2011 11:43, schrieb Chris66: Ich muss grad grinsen. Ob das wirklich ein Werk im juristischen Sinne darstellt wenn jemand zu einem Way ein oneyway=yes hinzufügt !? Aber gut, die Telekom durfte das magenta-T auch als Ihr Eigentum schützen lassen. ;-) Der Scherz ist mir schon klar,

Re: [Talk-de] Lizenzwechsel-View im OSM Inspector

2011-12-14 Thread Simon Poole
Stephan ... habe die Lösung schon vor Wochen vorgeschlagen (als die ganze Problematik überhaupt hochkam). Die Begeisterung hielt sich (sehr) in Grenzen. Die Liste der changesets die OK sind findest du hier: http://planet.openstreetmap.org/users_agreed/ Simon Am 14.12.2011 12:37, schrieb

Re: [Talk-de] Datenqualität Köln, Straßen im Umkreis finden, Straßen in Stadtgebiet finden

2011-12-14 Thread Florian Lohoff
Hi, On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 11:32:41AM +0100, Benjamin Lebsanft wrote: Hallo, Der frühere Straßenlistenauswerter, Florian Lohoff, hatte alle Gemeinden und Städte NRWs, hat mir die Daten aber leider nicht übergeben, obwohl von ihm und anderen für OSM zusammengetragen. Hat er dir

Re: [Talk-de] Datenqualität Köln, Straßen im Umkreis finden, Straßen in Stadtgebiet finden

2011-12-14 Thread Benjamin Lebsanft
Hallo Flo, Ich denke aus den paar Zeilen ergibt sich warum hier nichts mehr passiert ist - und ich denke mein Frust ueber den OSM Lizenzwechsel kommt darin auch durch ... Ich kann deinen Unmut verstehen. Ich denke auch, dass niemand von dir verlangt, die ganzen Services wieder laufen zu

Re: [Talk-de] Datenqualität Köln, Straßen im Umkreis finden, Straßen in Stadtgebiet finden

2011-12-14 Thread Klaus-Hermann Otto Stanislaus Plöger
Moin Marian Ich hoffe, Du kennst Dich auf der Konsole aus. osmfilter stadt-koeln.osm --keep=highway=primary =secondary =tertiary =residental =unclassified =road =living-street strassen-koeln.osm osmconvert strassen-koeln.osm --drop-nodes koeln_ways.osm grep 'tag k=name' koeln_ways.osm str.txt

Re: [Talk-de] Datenqualität Köln, Straßen im Umkreis finden, Straßen in Stadtgebiet finden

2011-12-14 Thread Marian Steinbach
Am 14. Dezember 2011 14:59 schrieb Klaus-Hermann Otto Stanislaus Plöger k.ploe...@gastradata.de: Moin Marian Ich hoffe, Du kennst Dich auf  der Konsole aus. Ja, kein Problem. osmfilter stadt-koeln.osm --keep=highway=primary =secondary =tertiary =residental =unclassified =road =living-street

Re: [Talk-de] Datenqualität Köln, Straßen im Umkreis finden, Straßen in Stadtgebiet finden

2011-12-14 Thread Dietmar
Hallo Florian, ich freue mich, dass Du jetzt hier Stellung nimmst! Auch ich kann Deinen Unmut und Unwillen zur ODBL-Lizenz verstehen, das ist jedermanns eigene Sache. Viel wichtiger: viele OSM-ler haben ihre Straßenlisten eingestellt und vor allem aktiv gepflegt, so auch ich. So habe ich z.B.

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