2015-06-13 16:37 GMT+02:00 Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org:
Hi,
I'm known for being critical of armchair mapping by people with no
personal connection tho the area being mapped. Whether done for fun, for
money, or to help, I think that in most cases it is a bad idea that runs
against
Hello,
Merci pour ta réponse Sami.
Cette correspondance est illusoire. J'ai tapé des chevreuils en voiture
bien loin de ces panneaux, qui ne sont plus du tout à jour. Et oui,
l'urbanisation galope et influe grandement sur les points de passage des
bestioles...
Et je ne crois pas que ce
And i think there are a lot of other areas in OSM that represent at least as
efficient (and therefore damaging) means of cultural imperialism as remote
mapping.
Acting as devil's advocate, I have a quick question - are you 100% sure
that you are not overthinking stuff? I see discussion after
Ainda não tenho opinião formada a respeito até porque os aplicativos que
conhecemos não descem a nível subdistrito.
Existe um debate interessante a respeito em
http://forum.openstreetmap.org/viewtopic.php?id=26430 . Ele foi iniciado, mas
não concluído.
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From:
On 14/06/2015 6:31 PM, Sarah Hoffmann wrote:
The One Map we currently show caters mainly to the overrepresented
tech population (or, in the case of the HOT map, to NGOs) and that
gives the impression that the same is true for our data (which isn't).
So maybe both, the diversity movement and
Hi,
On 06/14/2015 02:12 PM, Jóhannes Birgir Jensson wrote:
I find this point of view to be astounding in its arrogance and indeed
blatant colonialistic spirit.
Harsh words.
In the final paragraph of your blog post, you write:
In addition the locals are not the only people who will need to
Seltsame Dinge zu beobachten hat auch was gutes: Die Ursache lag in
einem falschen oneway=yes. Und wenn dann der Fahrweg über einen
speziellen Routenplaner zwischen den Haltestellen berechnet wird, wir es
lustig. Etwas mehr Hintergrund zum Technik unter
http://geops.ch/blog/worldwide-travic
On Sunday 14 June 2015, Sarah Hoffmann wrote:
The One Map we currently show caters mainly to the overrepresented
tech population (or, in the case of the HOT map, to NGOs) and that
gives the impression that the same is true for our data (which
isn't). So maybe both, the diversity movement and
I find this point of view to be astounding in its arrogance and indeed
blatant colonialistic spirit. The noble savages should not be influenced
by us, the decadent Westerners. A sickening insular attitude that I have
not found in similar projects like Project Gutenberg and Wikipedia.
When do
Þann 14.6.2015 12:57, skrifaði Frederik Ramm:
Hi,
On 06/14/2015 02:12 PM, Jóhannes Birgir Jensson wrote:
I find this point of view to be astounding in its arrogance and indeed
blatant colonialistic spirit.
Harsh words.
In the final paragraph of your blog post, you write:
In addition the
On 6/14/2015 2:57 PM, Frederik Ramm wrote:
But this is exactly the criticism we're facing - bluntly put:
Westerners need maps of places so they can conquer them by selling
their products and services.
One thing to keep in mind is that often time the people who want to
colonize or exploit
Am Sonntag, 14. Juni 2015, 11:15:03 schrieb Nzara:
Am 11.06.2015 um 13:28 schrieb Nzara:
Das steckt aber viel Phantasie drin. Gerade konnte ich einen Bus
beobachten, der in rasendem Tempo durch Quartierstrassen kurvte. Als ob
der Routenplaner zwischen zwei Haltestellen keinen brauchbaren
Hi,
On 06/14/2015 11:02 AM, Hans De Kryger wrote:
Isn't the point of remote mapping the ability to pull a large amount of
people from all parts of life together and map an area of need in a
short period of time?
That (disaster mapping) is *one* case, but not the only one; on the
humanitarian
A few points
Full disclosure. The post that touched off this thread was written by my wife
and partner in Map Kibera.
All the points on this thread are very good points to keep in mind with any
mapping project, but there's no universal rule in my experience.
Don't forget that mappers are
Le 12 juin 2015 22:31, Christian Rogel christian.ro...@club-internet.fr a
écrit :
J’avais l’intention de parler des horaires à mettre dans OSM et je voulais
souligner que, pour qui est familier de l’anglais, la syntaxe requise est
plutôt simple, bien qu’elle demande quelque entraînement.
à
Hi,
On Sat, Jun 13, 2015 at 07:52:49PM -0700, Kate Chapman wrote:
What about in the situations where locals would like to make their own map
but this is not financially feasible? If we are creating truly a free map
of the entire world it is important to figure out how not to just make a
map
Isn't the point of remote mapping the ability to pull a large amount of
people from all parts of life together and map an area of need in a short
period of time? That simply can't be done in area's affected by a disaster
due to the fact they are themselves are recovering from the impact of said
Jo hi aporto lo meu.
-Fa uns anys vaig fer una queixa a TMB sobre la catalanització d'un nom
propi a l'hora d'anomenar una estació de metro.La resposta de TMB és que la
llei de normalització lingüística de l'any 1985 establia a grans trets que
es podia catalanitzar tot, fins i tot el cognom d'una
Normalement toutes les entrées de la base Mérimée sont géolocalisées (points et
surfaces, plutôt très précis, RGF93), même si ça n’apparait pas sur le site
culture.gouv.fr. C’est vérifiable là :
http://atlas.patrimoines.culture.fr/atlas/trunk/ (même si l’ergonomie est
douteuse…) et il y a
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Non ho ancora contattato il mapper, cui ho avuto altre volte modo di
confrontarmi, su altre questioni.
Siccome capisco che potrebbe essere non simpatico scrivere ad un mapper
(tralaltro anche lui di esperienza) per dirgli: Guarda che secondo me hai
sbalgliato, devi ricorreggere a come avevo fatto
2015-06-14 10:45 GMT+02:00 Davide Mangraviti davide...@inwind.it:
Guarda che secondo me hai
sbalgliato, devi ricorreggere a come avevo fatto io...; ho volutamente
aperto questo post per creare un dibattito, discutendone in modo
partecipato
e democratico tra tutti voi.
si, ma lo potresti
The claim that the maps are only for the benefit of Westerners implies that
non-Western people never travel to or trade with areas beyond their
immediate neighborhoods.
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Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot
drive out
Le 14 juin 2015 à 14:57, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org a écrit :
But this is exactly the criticism we're facing - bluntly put:
Westerners need maps of places so they can conquer them by selling
their products and services.
Yes, if you put the History aside, not admitting the constant
On Sun, Jun 14, 2015 at 9:26 AM, Simon Poole si...@poole.ch wrote:
Am 14.06.2015 um 17:21 schrieb Kate Chapman:
Further we have additional material in the early simulations that Matt
Amos did that indicate that this is not unexpected given some
assumptions about editor motivation.
This
Am 14.06.2015 um 17:21 schrieb Kate Chapman:
Possibly, but we cite as fact that imports stunt community growth. I
don't think that has ever been proven in a way that cuts across
cultures, geographies or the quality of the data being imported. People
usually point to the TIGER import in the
com boundary=administrative o admin_level geralmente e suficiente, e tem mesmo
função em diferenciar entre limites de nível diferente. Para nos e util onde ha
mais que um tipo limite no mesmo nível, que e caso do admin_level=9
Com outro tipos de limites (boundary=maritime, boundary=political,
On Sat, Jun 13, 2015 at 7:52 PM, Kate Chapman k...@maploser.com wrote:
What about in the situations where locals would like to make their own
map but this is not financially feasible? If we are creating truly a free
map of the entire world it is important to figure out how not to just make
a
Hallo Bernhard,
Am 2015-06-14 um 19:08 schrieb Bernhard Weiskopf:
Die Kontaktaufnahme ist mir drei Mal geglückt, er antwortet mit einigen
Tagen Zeitverzug. Auf die Kritik geht er in keiner Weise ein, sondert ändert
weiter.
Wenn du ihn dreimal kontaktiert hast und das nicht gefruchtet hat,
Possibly, but we cite as fact that imports stunt community growth. I don't
think that has ever been proven in a way that cuts across cultures,
geographies or the quality of the data being imported. People usually point
to the TIGER import in the US. I don't think we can purely blame an import,
Richard Fairhurst writes:
Finally, many thanks to everyone who's tested it so far,
particularly Steve All - your feedback was and continues to be
enormously useful.
Kind of you to say this, Richard. I was delighted to help test your
fine bicycle router. I wish cycle.travel, and especially
Il 13/06/2015 14:15, Davide Mangraviti ha scritto:
Mi sto trovando ultimamente a mappare le pareti naturali e le falesie
attrezzate con chiodi, fittoni, spit ect... per l'arrampicata libera.
Secondo me basterebbe come tag sport=climbing e il nome se lo ha ma vedo
che qualcuno aggiunge anche
On 2015-06-13 17:08, Harald Kliems wrote:
Very nice, Richard! One quick comment: I might not be the only who
doesn't always change the tiger:reviewed tag when fixing TIGER-imported
roads. I don't know if that's technically feasible, but maybe it would
be better to check if a way has been
On Sun, Jun 14, 2015 at 6:12 AM, Jóhannes Birgir Jensson j...@betra.is
wrote:
Who said anything about Westerners? Projects like mapping entire Botswana
and Lesotho is not for HOT issues, acute distress. It is for making it
easier for the local economies to grow, to use maps like the Western
We need to encourage local mapping, but large-scale disasters create a need
for immediate maps, which, in some cases, means outside help is needed.
--
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Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot
drive out hate; only love can
Buenos dias
Si bien no lo probe en el pasado tla vez tambien les sirva navfree
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.navfree.android.OSM.ALLhl=es
Harrierco
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To: talk-co@openstreetmap.org
Date: Sat, 13 Jun 2015 13:48:06 +
Subject: Re: [Talk-co] pregunta:
Ian McEwen writes:
Does anyone know where this data is available/usable for OSM purposes?
You might try
http://data.fs.usda.gov/geodata/edw/datasets.php?dsetCategory=boundaries
where you can scroll down to National Forest Lands with Nationally
Designated Management or Use Limitations and
2015-06-14 12:20 GMT-03:00 Vítor Rodrigo Dias vitor.d...@gmail.com:
Como é isso de border_type, Nelson? Nunca vi essa tag antes...
É uma outra forma de diferenciar fronteiras/limites, quando place e
admin_level não são suficientes.
Não creio que exista muita coisa que utilize isso, mas vai dar
I think little can be said against careful, respectful mapping of base
infrastructure (aka major road and other transportation facilities), as
far as possible with input from the local inhabitants, particularly in
the case of emergencies, by harnessing the combined prowess of OSM mappers.
As had
Steve,
That Ten Steps plan sounds interesting. I would appreciate a copy as well.
Clifford
On Sun, Jun 14, 2015 at 8:41 AM, stevea stevea...@softworkers.com wrote:
Ian McEwen writes:
Does anyone know where this data is available/usable for OSM purposes?
You might try
Am 14.06.2015 um 19:33 schrieb Kate Chapman:
I should point out that none of the above is in any way new, just
conveniently ignored.
Not ignored, I'm just not sure it is solid enough evidence to justify
for or against imports worldwide.
If we can't extrapolate from the
On 2015-06-11 06:42, Richard Welty wrote:
please, please when doing the armchair mapping thing, be aware
that aerial imagery may be several years out of date.
yesterday i discovered that a highway reconfiguration i'd mapped
in Rensselaer, NY had been realigned with the out-of-date bing
aerial
Como é isso de border_type, Nelson? Nunca vi essa tag antes...
Em 14 de junho de 2015 01:29, Nelson A. de Oliveira nao...@gmail.com
escreveu:
2015-06-14 1:26 GMT-03:00 Lists li...@gimnechiske.org:
São Paulo SP tem subprefeituras e distritos no admin_level 9
Vitoria ES tem distritos e
Bonjour,
- Mail original -
On revient avec Jean Guilhem d'un hackfest sur Orfeo Tool box
https://www.orfeo-toolbox.org/
[...]
Donc si il y a des personnes interessées par cet outil ou peut
toujours faire un tour de table pour qui utilise quoi...
Étant impliqué à la marge[1] dans
Hallo an alle,
im Bereich Käfertaler Wald in Mannheim ist ein relativ neuer Mapper
unterwegs.
Er ändert vorhandene Wegnamen oder ergänzt Phantasienamen, ändert Wegtypen
(Waldwege: hightway = track - service, road oder footway), ergänzt maxspeed
= 10 oder 30 oder 50, obwohl nirgends im
An app developer in Botswana I've been in contact with has made the
first app made in Botswana that uses OSM, Kabby Cab for the
entrepreneurial Kabby system (independent mini buses) in Gaborone and
he's working on expanding it into an app for ordering taxis and more. As
anyone knows getting
Beh mappare le singole vie di una falesia è quantomeno arduo se non
impossibile..
Avevo visto che qualcuno le aveva elencate nelle note..
un lavoro di pazienza, ma si può fare..
Alessandro wrote
Il 14/06/2015 20:04, Alessandro ha scritto:
Guardando nella wiki trovo quanto meno curiosi i tag
Pour ajouter aux interrogations de Florian ;-)
Trouvé sur Twitter :
https://twitter.com/la_pollice/status/610061470995509250
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On 6/14/15 2:27 PM, Minh Nguyen wrote:
With both outdated imagery and the Ohio River [1], I've had better
luck placing redundant `note` tags on every way that such a mapper
would be inclined to delete. iD shows `note` in a big box in the
sidebar. It's a bit harder to miss than a (heretofore)
El 14/06/2015 3:46 am, Paweł Paprota escribió:
And i think there are a lot of other areas in OSM that represent at
least as efficient (and therefore damaging) means of cultural
imperialism as remote mapping.
Acting as devil's advocate, I have a quick question - are you 100% sure
that you are
Cet atlas permet de télécharger les données... une fois qu'on a compris
l'interface très petits doigts.
J'ai récupéré quelques départements d'Ile-de-France pour voir. Ca a
l'air plutôt complet et propre tout ça...
Le 14/06/2015 10:35, ades_...@orange.fr a écrit :
Normalement toutes les entrées
While OSM is not a politically motivated and controlled project, some of
what has been discussed needs a fuller discussion. It's the poor areas
of the map that need the most help and those of us with the tools to do
so should ...
On 14/06/15 13:18, Johan C wrote:
I've searched her article for an
Well, you've certainly motivated me to from now on always modify the
tiger:reviewed tag :-)
Thanks again for your efforts!
On Sun, Jun 14, 2015 at 2:38 PM Richard Fairhurst rich...@systemed.net
wrote:
Harald Kliems wrote:
Very nice, Richard! One quick comment: I might not be the only
who
On 13 June 2015 15:37:22 GMT+01:00, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote:
http://groundtruth.in/2015/06/05/osm-mapping-power-to-the-people/
I really liked that article, but to me it doesn't argues *against
remote mapping* as much as it argues *for local mapping*.
I think everybody already
On 15/06/2015 2:29 AM, John Eldredge wrote:
The claim that the maps are only for the benefit of Westerners implies
that non-Western people never travel to or trade with areas beyond
their immediate neighborhoods.
There was a humours suggestion to map animal paths, rejected as not
something
We (NPMap at the National Park Service) use the IRMA boundaries for most of
our maps, but we have updated a few of the park boundaries in our own
database.
You can find our data here:
https://nationalparkservice.cartodb.com/u/nps/tables/parks
On Sun, Jun 14, 2015 at 12:52 PM, Clifford Snow
Bonjour à tous,
La communauté OSM de la ville de Québec (QC) a pour habitude de se
rencontrer régulièrement lors de rencontres informelles (formules 5@7)
chaque dernier jeudi du mois (les JOSM).
Récemment, elle a commencé des rencontres plus techniques sous forme
d'ateliers.
Le premier a eu lieu
I was pretty annoyed recently, because every now and then a wikimedia
image I used in a ValueTemplate would not work.
For some reason I decided to check Privacy Badger today and after that
disable Adblock. Well, that did the job. Not sure if we can do
anything, but for people who frequently
On 14/06/2015, Kate Chapman k...@maploser.com wrote:
On Sun, Jun 14, 2015 at 9:26 AM, Simon Poole si...@poole.ch wrote:
Further we have additional material in the early simulations that Matt
Amos did that indicate that this is not unexpected given some
assumptions about editor motivation.
Hi
A blue water bleed has occurred again, presumably from a broken
coastline. I used geofabric to try an find a split. The only one it
located was here: http://tinyurl.com/qy3vfjv
I hopefully fixed the problem at 12:31, just 1 hour 20 minutes after the
problem was created. Unsure how often
On 6/14/2015 2:24 PM, Harald Kliems wrote:
Well, you've certainly motivated me to from now on always modify the
tiger:reviewed tag :-)
Thanks again for your efforts!
The most important change is probably setting appropriate surface
information. I don't know the exact secret sauce magic of
Kate Chapman writes:
Possibly, but we cite as fact that imports stunt community growth. I don't
think that has ever been proven in a way that cuts across cultures,
geographies or the quality of the data being imported. People usually point
to the TIGER import in the US. I don't think we
Some thoughts from a developing country - India. Maps have had a
controversial role to play in the modern history of much of the Indian
subcontinent, as a tool created and controlled by those who came ashore
from the west. OSM has made it possible for the first time in history for
the common
Hi All,
First off, let me say that I’ve really enjoyed this discussion. I admire the
mixture of passion and overall civility on a really difficult topic. I’ve
honestly learned some things reading all your replies.
I have a lot of thoughts about remote mapping vs. on the ground mapping
Harald Kliems wrote:
Very nice, Richard! One quick comment: I might not be the only
who doesn't always change the tiger:reviewed tag when fixing
TIGER-imported roads. I don't know if that's technically feasible,
but maybe it would be better to check if a way has been modified
since
Il 14/06/2015 20:04, Alessandro ha scritto:
Guardando nella wiki trovo quanto meno curiosi i tag
climbing:grade:UIAA:min=*
climbing:grade:UIAA:mean=*
Mi rispondo da solo :-)
ho riletto la pagina del wiki: si riferisce alla falesia nel suo
complesso, io prima facevo un
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