Re: [OSM-talk] Affordable 1 CM high precision GPS.

2024-05-08 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
I am used to different procedures, towards the beginning of a construction operation, a publicly appointed surveyor (Öffentlich bestellter Vermessungsingenieur) defines a local coordinate system and marks it on the ground (e.g. marks building outlines, site limits etc.), as well as relates it to t

Re: [OSM-talk] Affordable 1 CM high precision GPS.

2024-05-08 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 7 May 2024, at 23:56, john whelan wrote: > > So if you're building something in a remote location and not buried in the > forest it might actually be useful. in remote locations it doesn’t seem very relevant to get cm precision from GNSS. You could just mark any spot

Re: [OSM-talk] mapilio? (street-level imagery)

2023-06-01 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 31 May 2023, at 00:09, Niels Elgaard Larsen wrote: > > I often use Wikimedia Commons. > There is an app that can both upload photos already taken and start a > photo-app from the commons app. +1, there is an app for iOS as well https://apps.apple.com/it/app/wiki-upload

Re: [OSM-talk] bot proposal: shop values cleanup (low use values only, 1 used 250 times, three over 100 times, many used less)

2023-04-21 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
Am Fr., 21. Apr. 2023 um 14:08 Uhr schrieb Andy Townsend : > On 21/04/2023 12:17, Mateusz Konieczny via talk wrote: > We're actually talking about the "long tail" of shop values - genuine, > perfectly descriptive, perfectly valid values, like "shop=whisky" that > someone mentioned on IRC this morn

Re: [OSM-talk] bot proposal: shop values cleanup (low use values only, 1 used 250 times, three over 100 times, many used less)

2023-04-21 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
Am Fr., 21. Apr. 2023 um 11:19 Uhr schrieb Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com>: > > A rendering issue. > > Why not have a generic symbol for 'shop' and use that for any value of > shop that you don't have a specific symbol for? > this is a deliberate decision, because it would provide positive feedbac

Re: [OSM-talk] bot proposal: shop values cleanup (low use values only, 1 used 250 times, three over 100 times, many used less)

2023-04-21 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
Am Fr., 21. Apr. 2023 um 09:47 Uhr schrieb Jochen Topf : > On Thu, Apr 20, 2023 at 10:11:49PM +0100, Andy Townsend wrote: > > To change "shop=veryrarevalue" where it was correct to > > "shop=lessrarevalue"without preserving the detail somehow loses detail > from > > OSM and is therefore by definit

Re: [OSM-talk] Proposed automatic replacements of multiple surface values - the third edition (review welcomed!)

2023-03-27 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
Am Mo., 27. März 2023 um 10:32 Uhr schrieb David Haberthür < em...@davidhaberthuer.ch>: > Ciao > > I added > # translating German > 'holz': 'wood', > 'schotter': 'gravel', > 'Gras_Laub': 'grass', > to candidate list for the next one > > > I’m my (Swiss German) opini

Re: [OSM-talk] Proposed automatic replacements of multiple surface values - the third edition (review welcomed!)

2023-03-25 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 24 Mar 2023, at 22:35, > facebook_140f8d4e-9d8f-4d51-a5a7-320f53afc...@vollbio.de wrote: > > Btw. I saw some German word: holz=>wood, schotter=>gravel, verdichtet=>paved > (it means "compacted"), Gras/Laub=>grass, pflasterstein=>cobblestones verdichtet is actually „un

Re: [OSM-talk] proposed bot edit for surface=granite, surface=marble and similar

2023-03-15 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
Am Mi., 15. März 2023 um 14:01 Uhr schrieb Mateusz Konieczny via talk < talk@openstreetmap.org>: > > > > Mar 15, 2023, 10:21 by dieterdre...@gmail.com: > > I'd prefer "surface:material" compared to "material", it is in modest use > (800) https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/surface%3Amaterial >

Re: [OSM-talk] proposed bot edit for surface=granite, surface=marble and similar

2023-03-15 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
I'd prefer "surface:material" compared to "material", it is in modest use (800) https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/surface%3Amaterial because the "highway" represents not just the surface. Generally, maybe another subtagging step like "surface:material=stone" "stone=granite" could make sense?

Re: [OSM-talk] Proposed automatic replacements of multiple surface=* and shop=* values (review welcomed!)

2023-02-26 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 26 Feb 2023, at 10:19, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Opal is also a gemstone, Australia being a leading source. It is also a fuel > in Australia ... but that would not be sold in shops but petrol stations. in Germany OPAL is the name of a fibre optic interne

Re: [OSM-talk] Proposed automatic replacements of multiple surface=* and shop=* values (review welcomed!)

2023-02-25 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
Am Sa., 25. Feb. 2023 um 22:07 Uhr schrieb Mateusz Konieczny via talk < talk@openstreetmap.org>: > > So shop = laundromat → shop = laundry + self_service=yes would be needed? > it could be seen as equivalent, personally I would see a case for different main tags because these are quite differen

Re: [OSM-talk] Proposed automatic replacements of multiple surface=* and shop=* values (review welcomed!)

2023-02-25 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 25 Feb 2023, at 20:13, Mateusz Konieczny via talk > wrote: > > There is no point in manual drudgery here, with values clearly > replaceable by better matches. > > This values here do NOT require manual overview. If this cases will > turn out to be an useful signal of

Re: [OSM-talk] Proposed automatic replacements of multiple surface=* and shop=* values (review welcomed!)

2023-02-25 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 25 Feb 2023, at 20:13, Mateusz Konieczny via talk > wrote: > > shop=eggs -> shop=food food=eggs > maybe such migration would be a good idea? > having top value for every single shop type specializing in a given food > seems hopeless - we would need shop=pumpkin, shop=ap

Re: [OSM-talk] Proposed automatic replacements of multiple surface=* and shop=* values (review welcomed!)

2023-02-25 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 25 Feb 2023, at 20:13, Mateusz Konieczny via talk > wrote: > > shop = laundromat → shop = laundry I think the laundromat is about a diy place while shop=laundry can also be a service where you drop off your laundry and they’ll take care of everything. Wiki suggests

Re: [OSM-talk] replace some obviously mistaken surface values by their clear intended meaning

2023-02-11 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 11 Feb 2023, at 18:49, Mateusz Konieczny via talk > wrote: > > Nevertheless, as result > map data quality will improve. agreed for these cases, the problem is always when people become overeager to fix all kinds of values thereby “normalizing” what should not ___

Re: [OSM-talk] Should we be mapping transformers and powerlines?

2023-01-19 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
Am Do., 19. Jan. 2023 um 15:33 Uhr schrieb John Whelan < jwhelan0...@gmail.com>: > Someone shoots out a dozen at minus 20c, two can cut off electricity to a > city of a million people. One or two you can replace quickly a dozen at > the same time you're talking months to restore power. > you sh

Re: [OSM-talk] Should we be mapping transformers and powerlines?

2023-01-19 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
Am Do., 19. Jan. 2023 um 04:17 Uhr schrieb john whelan < jwhelan0...@gmail.com>: > Perhaps you could expand on the benefits of mapping them? > this is really not a question we ever ask ourselves regarding mappability, while there are of course some answers to this for power infrastructure, it is

Re: [OSM-talk] Extending the 'geo:' uri scheme: Adding parameter 'osmid'

2023-01-06 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 6 Jan 2023, at 23:34, Niels Elgaard Larsen wrote: > > Maybe we could maintain a list of tags that are practical permanent unique > identifiers. And then have a tool that for most objects could generate a url > (https or geo) that references that object using that tag.

Re: [OSM-talk] Extending the 'geo:' uri scheme: Adding parameter 'osmid'

2023-01-02 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
Am Mo., 2. Jan. 2023 um 22:03 Uhr schrieb Andy Townsend : > It's certainly possible (as I've said in that discussion) to use OSM IDs > as "stable enough to do real work with" - I do it all the time. > > Can I guarantee that the shop at "No 55 Main Street" will always have > the same OSM ID? No, b

Re: [OSM-talk] razed railways and other things that don't exist today

2022-10-27 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 27 Oct 2022, at 01:44, Zeke Farwell wrote: > > I support mapping old rail beds as railway=razed where they are visible in > forests, fields, and other open land. These traces are often not visible to > those with an untrained eye and that's certainly an issue. Howeve

Re: [OSM-talk] razed railways and other things that don't exist today

2022-10-26 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 26 Oct 2022, at 11:45, Mateusz Konieczny via talk > wrote: > > Note that when you found some gone railway > mapped in OSM then it is useful > > - edit OSM object to note which traces are left if any > (ideally, it would be done by original mapper) > > - or delete none

Re: [OSM-talk] Automated Populate/Update Problem

2022-09-28 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
Welcome to osm! Regarding the "remove existing as final step": we generally expect people to conflate new data with existing data, so you should not remove the existing ones, but enrich them (including position acuracy if possible) with your data, and only create new objects for things that weren't

Re: [OSM-talk] Call to Take Action and Confront Systemic Offensive Behavior in the OSM Community

2020-12-20 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 21. Dec 2020, at 00:05, Clay Smalley wrote: > > Va téléphone à la police. France is the spearhead against discrimination and gender disparity, in case you missed it, the Paris administration just recently got fined for putting a disproportionately high number of wome

Re: [OSM-talk] I’m running for OSMF board and I’ve set up office hours for questions

2020-12-03 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
Am Do., 3. Dez. 2020 um 10:49 Uhr schrieb Mateusz Konieczny via talk < talk@openstreetmap.org>: > > > > Dec 3, 2020, 00:44 by frede...@remote.org: > > People have thought the same about Donald Trump - yeah, this > whole > > I think that form of this is very unfortunate and references > to Trump an

Re: [OSM-talk] I’m running for OSMF board and I’ve set up office hours for questions

2020-12-02 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
Am Mi., 2. Dez. 2020 um 09:51 Uhr schrieb Robert Whittaker (OSM lists) < robert.whittaker+...@gmail.com>: > On Wed, 2 Dec 2020 at 03:41, Michal Migurski wrote: > > > Facebook is in compliance with the ODbL license which requires that > attribution be “reasonably calculated to make any Person that

Re: [OSM-talk] Bad coastline edits in Sweden

2020-11-21 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 21. Nov 2020, at 10:59, Andre Hinrichs via talk > wrote: > > And since he is using the (bad) ID editor it is also nearly > impossible to revert the changesets which created the mess. ask him to stop using the bad iD editor and point him to the good iD editor ;-) Chee

Re: [OSM-talk] Let's talk Attribution

2020-11-06 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
To put this more into context, the facebook page does have a link to OpenStreetMap behind the faint "i", and the majority of contributors may eventually see this as reasonable attribution for the small map they initially show, but it is quite clearly not suitable on the bigger popup map to make eve

Re: [OSM-talk] Let's talk Attribution

2020-11-06 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
Am Mo., 27. Apr. 2020 um 19:52 Uhr schrieb Alexandre Oliveira < rockyt...@gmail.com>: > Hello! > > I'll try to be brief and explain the main problems that exist with > OSM's way of handling lack of (proper) attribution. > > According to the wiki page[0]: > > > Our requested attribution is "© OpenS

Re: [OSM-talk] New native/web OSM renderer based on A/B Street

2020-11-04 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
Am Mi., 4. Nov. 2020 um 13:49 Uhr schrieb Mateusz Konieczny via talk < talk@openstreetmap.org>: > I just want to say that I really recommend playing and experiment with > A/B Street. > I agree, I have also spread the voice on our national mailing list, this is really useful for checking lane and

Re: [OSM-talk] reddit AMA with some OSMF Board members. 15:00Z 9 Nov

2020-10-30 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
Am Do., 29. Okt. 2020 um 22:31 Uhr schrieb Rory McCann : > On Thu, 29 Oct 2020, at 9:30 PM, Christoph Hormann wrote: > > So i suppose you will circumnavigate any subject related to OSMF > > governance or the election and that you will not refer to what is going > > to be said there in any future d

Re: [OSM-talk] Tagging health facilities offering COVID testing

2020-10-08 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
Am Do., 8. Okt. 2020 um 18:31 Uhr schrieb Kathleen Lu via talk < talk@openstreetmap.org>: > Where I am, there is wide variety in what days/hours such sites are > available, whether they are free or have a cost, whether you need an > appointment, and how temporary they are. Some are only around for

Re: [OSM-talk] Can you recommend good introduction to JOSM for 100% osm newbie?

2020-10-05 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 5. Oct 2020, at 00:58, Michael Booth wrote: > Not sure I'd recommend JOSM for a 100% OSM newbie unless there was a specific > reason or feature required when editing. I would, because they will have to learn from scratch anyway, so why not starting with the most popul

Re: [OSM-talk] "Limitations on mapping private information" - wiki page

2020-09-16 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
Am Mi., 16. Sept. 2020 um 13:30 Uhr schrieb Christoph Hormann < o...@imagico.de>: > Or in other words: Rich people cannot claim a larger scope of privacy > just because they can own and fence in a larger area of land. you are dreaming. Maybe they cannot rightfully claim a different treatment,

Re: [OSM-talk] "Limitations on mapping private information" - wiki page

2020-09-16 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
Am Mi., 16. Sept. 2020 um 12:04 Uhr schrieb Mateusz Konieczny via talk < talk@openstreetmap.org>: > Sep 16, 2020, 10:59 by talk@openstreetmap.org: > > I would understand 'semi-public garden' to be, for example, a garden where > you pay an admission fee to enter, or one which is closed at night. Li

Re: [OSM-talk] "Limitations on mapping private information" - wiki page

2020-09-16 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
Am Mi., 16. Sept. 2020 um 11:44 Uhr schrieb Christoph Hormann < o...@imagico.de>: > > > > +0.9, I'd make it more precise: "private activities and private > > social interactions" > > No, public activities of individual humans are not as such part of the > verifiable geography either. If my neighb

Re: [OSM-talk] "Limitations on mapping private information" - wiki page

2020-09-16 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
Am Mi., 16. Sept. 2020 um 10:48 Uhr schrieb Christoph Hormann via talk < talk@openstreetmap.org>: > * it start with "The freedom to map the world..." which implies the aim > of OSM is "to map the world" - which it is not. OSM aims to collect > verifiable local knowledge of the geography of the wo

Re: [OSM-talk] "Limitations on mapping private information" - wiki page

2020-09-16 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 16. Sep 2020, at 09:41, Mateusz Konieczny via talk > wrote: > > Do you think that this page is a good description of community consensus? There are some points I would like to comment on: - OpenStreetMap is not a property registry, thus do not map individual ownersh

Re: [OSM-talk] Use of OSM data without attribution

2020-09-11 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 11. Sep 2020, at 21:47, Kathleen Lu wrote: > > Assuming that we're taking about a physical object, I don't see how the > importer would have any obligations to do anything under copyright law, > database law, or contact law. That question preempts any ODbL analysis.

Re: [OSM-talk] Use of OSM data without attribution

2020-09-11 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 11. Sep 2020, at 20:46, Kathleen Lu wrote: > > If you put the attribution in Polish for a map meant for display in Poland, > and then later the map is moved to London (say, to a museum), that's also > fine because attribution was reasonable given the context. it woul

Re: [OSM-talk] Use of OSM data without attribution

2020-09-11 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 11. Sep 2020, at 13:21, Mateusz Konieczny via talk > wrote: > > For example on my laser cut map I used > "Dane z OpenStreetMap na licencji ODBL" > as it will be used in way where Polish > would be clearly expected to be > understood will this limit the places where y

Re: [OSM-talk] maps/navigation data source

2020-09-05 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 5. Sep 2020, at 16:43, ben.ki...@mail.de wrote: > > Which are the world regions OSM data is better in? Which are world regions > OSM data is equal good? generally urban areas and touristic monuments are covered, few countries have good coverage in the country side, bu

Re: [OSM-talk] M$ Flightsimulator

2020-08-31 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone >> On 31. Aug 2020, at 17:15, Mateusz Konieczny via talk >> wrote: > But it would require accepting OSM rules, > especially about copyright. maybe it could be an issue (e.g. reputational damage) if someone mixes OpenStreetMap Data with pirated data and distributes the mix

Re: [OSM-talk] M$ Flightsimulator

2020-08-31 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 31. Aug 2020, at 16:06, Hartmut Holzgraefe wrote: > > Google Maps isn't a data source that is compatible with OpenStreetMap > license wise. sure, if this wasn’t clear, of course I didn’t mean to import geometry that was ripped off google products, but likely there wil

[OSM-talk] M$ Flightsimulator

2020-08-31 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
Here’s an article about the players of the new flightsimulator improving buildings: https://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2020/08/28/players-are-fixing-microsoft-flight-simulators-missing-monuments-with-google-maps/ is there a way to import this data back to OpenStreetMap? Cheers Martin sent fro

Re: [OSM-talk] Call for verification (Was: Re: VANDALISM !)

2020-08-23 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 23. Aug 2020, at 21:41, mmd wrote: > > That's a pretty dystopian view on the OSM future, if you ask me... I did not mean to callout mappers, but it could help to highlight potentially weak parts of the map where a resurvey could make more sense than in other parts or

Re: [OSM-talk] Call for verification (Was: Re: VANDALISM !)

2020-08-23 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 23. Aug 2020, at 13:55, pangoSE wrote: > > We could e.g. set a verification-needed > flag on objects edited in a changeset with "please review". while you can (already) add a fixme tag, I fear that creating a special feature for less reliable information could lead to

Re: [OSM-talk] New API suggestion: Allowing contributors to easily track their OSM-objects over time

2020-08-23 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 23. Aug 2020, at 13:40, pangoSE wrote: > > The permid then no longer represents a shop but the > location of a space where a shop could and now does exist. Someone > making a service cataloguing all shopspaces for hire in a city could > then link to this shopspace FWIW.

Re: [OSM-talk] New API suggestion: Allowing contributors to easily track their OSM-objects over time

2020-08-22 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 22. Aug 2020, at 19:44, pangoSE wrote: > > So one new table for permanent ids that is updated every time: > * a node is created or deleted > * a way is created from scratch or deleted > * a relation is created from scratch or deleted > * a way is converted to a relation

Re: [OSM-talk] New API suggestion: Allowing contributors to easily track their OSM-objects over time

2020-08-22 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 22. Aug 2020, at 19:44, pangoSE wrote: > > Maybe we should first add permanent ids (new table) and reference that. we do have permanent ids for nodes, ways and relations. ;-) What kind of permanent ids do you want? For some more abstract concept like a road with a spe

Re: [OSM-talk] Call for verification (Was: Re: VANDALISM !)

2020-08-22 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 22. Aug 2020, at 10:15, pangoSE wrote: > > Here is yet another example of bad data in our database: fix it ;-) Of course OpenStreetMap contains errors, just like any other source, and probably more, given that most contributors are laymen and have very few experienc

Re: [OSM-talk] Conflict between en-GB and en copyright page.

2020-08-21 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 21. Aug 2020, at 03:59, Oliver Simmons wrote: > > > > The translation (en-GB) says in case of conflicts en overrules. > > This would be fine if it wasn’t that *they appear to be backwards* > > en is the page lacking the tile attribution info and that is supposedly “

Re: [OSM-talk] Use of OSM data without attribution

2020-08-19 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 20. Aug 2020, at 00:18, Mike Thompson wrote: > > Thanks for the link where they mention OSM. I did find their CEO on > Linkedin, and just sent him this message: thank you! You may also consider adding them here: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Lacking_proper_attr

Re: [OSM-talk] Fwd: Re: Roadmap for deprecation of name tags in OSM

2020-08-09 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 9. Aug 2020, at 21:16, john whelan wrote: > > And different features really are called difference things in different > countries. +1, moreover, the „same“ features are different in different countries and cultures, and it is part of our work to define when we consid

Re: [OSM-talk] Fwd: Re: Roadmap for deprecation of name tags in OSM

2020-08-09 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 9. Aug 2020, at 21:04, pangoSE wrote: > > E.g. permanent unique ids, talk pages if we want that for every osmid, SPARQL > support, standardization benefits "riding the current ride in open data" somehow you can have this already through the integration of wikidata: ju

Re: [OSM-talk] Roadmap for deprecation of name tags in OSM

2020-08-09 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 9. Aug 2020, at 15:08, pangoSE wrote: > > To support and emphasize ground truth I think we should setup a service like > Wikimedia commons also to host verification images that proves how it looks > on the ground. I agree photos from the current on the ground situati

Re: [OSM-talk] Roadmap for deprecation of name tags in OSM

2020-08-09 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 9. Aug 2020, at 10:44, Mateusz Konieczny via talk > wrote: > > tagging name tag is a fundamental part of OSM tag, > offloading it to a third party service is a mistake that will not happen +1, names are a fundamental part of OpenStreetMap, we must keep the decision

Re: [OSM-talk] [Osmf-talk] Funding of three infrastructure projects : Nominatim, osm2pgsql, Potlatch 2

2020-08-06 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
Am Do., 6. Aug. 2020 um 11:26 Uhr schrieb Lukasz Kruk : > I'm not sure what rules govern this: "Londn" does find the capital of the > UK, but "Warszaw" does not find the capital of Poland...?), which is only a > little inconvenient when compared to the second-best online map. > this is because

Re: [OSM-talk] [Osmf-talk] Funding of iD Development and Maintenance

2020-08-05 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
Am Mi., 5. Aug. 2020 um 12:35 Uhr schrieb Mateusz Konieczny via osmf-talk < osmf-t...@openstreetmap.org>: > Especially given that JOSM is used for similar number of edits > this is not correct, JOSM accounts for 522 335 462 edits in 2020, while iD users have committed 227 706 433 edits, this is

Re: [OSM-talk] Funding of three infrastructure projects : Nominatim, osm2pgsql, Potlatch 2

2020-08-04 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 4. Aug 2020, at 16:53, Simon Poole wrote: > > but it isn't a good measure of what the OSMF should spend its money on, weere > applying an 80/20 rule is likely to be far more appropriate. > As I have said, I’m fine with spending 2500 on a dead proprietary technology

Re: [OSM-talk] Funding of three infrastructure projects : Nominatim, osm2pgsql, Potlatch 2

2020-08-04 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 4. Aug 2020, at 16:26, Matthew Woehlke wrote > > Obviously, this would all almost surely be a temporary mode (maybe it > persists as long as JOSM is open, but isn't uploaded), but since you usually > draw once, that would be fine. (Bonus points if JOSM could automatica

Re: [OSM-talk] Funding of three infrastructure projects : Nominatim, osm2pgsql, Potlatch 2

2020-08-04 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 4. Aug 2020, at 13:58, Matthew Woehlke wrote: > > but I would practically *kill* for JOSM to have FreeCAD's suite of sketch > constraints ;-). you’re aware that there are sketch constraints for configurable angles (90, 60, 45 etc) and projection snaps? Hit 2 times „a

Re: [OSM-talk] Funding of three infrastructure projects : Nominatim, osm2pgsql, Potlatch 2

2020-08-04 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 4. Aug 2020, at 12:28, Andy Townsend wrote: > > I wrote down what I was there, other people's GPS traces, etc. etc.) and that > really needs a desktop editor. +1, while mobile editors are a great addition to our toolset, they cannot substitute desktop editors. A mous

Re: [OSM-talk] Funding of three infrastructure projects : Nominatim, osm2pgsql, Potlatch 2

2020-08-02 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 2. Aug 2020, at 18:11, Guillaume Rischard wrote: > > As someone who’s listed as having used 9 different editors on > https://hdyc.neis-one.org/?Stereo (including “unknown”), I know how important > the variety and richness of editing possibilities is. agreed. Admitted

Re: [OSM-talk] Funding of three infrastructure projects : Nominatim, osm2pgsql, Potlatch 2

2020-08-02 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 3. Aug 2020, at 00:09, Andy Townsend wrote: > >> I guess this is about not handling symbols? > > > Not really - see > https://help.openstreetmap.org/questions/6368/in-josm-is-it-possible-to-see-gpx-track-waypoint-details > for information. the second answer suggest

Re: [OSM-talk] Funding of three infrastructure projects : Nominatim, osm2pgsql, Potlatch 2

2020-08-02 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 2. Aug 2020, at 17:09, Andy Townsend wrote: > > GPX track waypoint handling is the biggest missing piece of functionality for > me, so you can start with that one if you wish I guess this is about not handling symbols? Because Josm does show waypoints and their names

Re: [OSM-talk] Funding of iD Development and Maintenance

2020-08-02 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 2. Aug 2020, at 13:49, Mikel Maron wrote: > > As part of this focus, we want to organise coordinated funding to support > continued maintenance and development of the iD editor, as iD's strong > continuous development over the past several years has served the OSM > c

Re: [OSM-talk] Proper use of route relations?

2020-08-02 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 2. Aug 2020, at 03:19, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: > > An indication that all these things are maintained by one organization? there is the operator tag for this. Don’t use relations where tags can do the trick... Cheers Martin _

Re: [OSM-talk] Proper use of route relations?

2020-08-01 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 1. Aug 2020, at 20:48, Yves via talk wrote: > > This would be better joined in a site relation. why should it? What’s the benefit? How is this different to adding all roads of a village into a site relation? Cheers Martin

Re: [OSM-talk] Funding of three infrastructure projects : Nominatim, osm2pgsql, Potlatch 2

2020-08-01 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 1. Aug 2020, at 12:45, Richard Fairhurst wrote: > > mmd wrote: > > Why aren't we porting Potlatch2 to WebAssembly, then? > > I'm not sure who the "we" is in this question, but assuming you're not > volunteering yourself :) we is the OpenStreetMap-Foundation and in a

Re: [OSM-talk] more engaging “about” page

2020-07-27 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 27. Jul 2020, at 22:20, Michal Migurski wrote: > > I turned this into a PR, thank you! Cheers Martin ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk

[OSM-talk] more engaging “about” page

2020-07-27 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
Looking at https://www.openstreetmap.org/about I thought it was not very engaging and we might want to make some small adjustments to make it more inviting for people to contribute. Specifically the paragraph: > Community Driven > OpenStreetMap's community is diverse, passionate, and growing ev

Re: [OSM-talk] Editing wiki asks for confirmation code?

2020-07-26 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 26. Jul 2020, at 21:43, stevea wrote: > > But instead, your environment (OxygenOS 10 running Firefox) presents this > "Pencil icon." Somewhere (likely wiki.osm.org) there is likely javascript > (probably informed by a UserAgent string of "Firefox — OxygenOS") which is

Re: [OSM-talk] Removing all signposts from relations

2020-07-25 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 25. Jul 2020, at 20:33, Alberto Nogaro via talk > wrote: > > So if you do so, information is indeed lost. > +1 > Otherwise I can’t see why should it difficult to data consumer to strip the > unwanted information before processing the route. > +1 > > > Unless

Re: [OSM-talk] "helpful" remote correctional edits (or "please don't correct bank ATMs in the Sahara desert" - was: Re: Planned revert of added surface and tracktype tags without local knowledge in va

2020-07-20 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 19. Jul 2020, at 23:27, Jóhannes Birgir Jensson wrote: > > no doubt many of our gravel tracks were correct at the time and have now been > paved or bound. I have thought about this, the tags were added in 2017 and while the asphalt didn’t look as if it was paved yes

Re: [OSM-talk] "helpful" remote correctional edits (or "please don't correct bank ATMs in the Sahara desert" - was: Re: Planned revert of added surface and tracktype tags without local knowledge in va

2020-07-19 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 19. Jul 2020, at 14:48, Hauke Stieler wrote: > > Blind reverts are also pretty bad. In my case, I talked to other people > in our community and only reverted some of the edits, which are very > unplausible (like "grade4" with "surface=paved" and imagery showing a > paved

Re: [OSM-talk] Planned revert of added surface and tracktype tags without local knowledge in various countries

2020-07-18 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 18. Jul 2020, at 21:11, Michael Reichert wrote: > > I am reaching out to the community in > advance because different people might have a different opinion on how > reliable tracktype=* needs to be It will hardly be more reliable than its definition can be universally

Re: [OSM-talk] private or not, USA ?

2020-07-17 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
If they were public, why would there have to be a password anyway (maybe to have the connection encrypted)? Are they exposed publicly, or do you have to be a client and get a piece of paper with the password on it, or at least enter the place and look at a blackboard? From my experience these passw

Re: [OSM-talk] Building a tile-server

2020-07-01 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 1. Jul 2020, at 23:26, Paul Norman via talk wrote: > > In general, work_mem=128GB is good with most styles. Paul, he wrote he had 32GB of RAM, should one assign more work_mem than there physically is on the machine? I am asking because I thought that the value of wo

Re: [OSM-talk] Paid mapping

2020-06-22 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 22. Jun 2020, at 23:18, Mateusz Konieczny via talk > wrote: > > These had been changed from highway unclassified surface unpaved to > highway=track by a mapper with Apple connections. > Can you link them? I would revert them as tagging for renderer if original > mappi

Re: [OSM-talk] Facebook acquires crowdsourced mapping company Mapillary

2020-06-19 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 19. Jun 2020, at 13:51, Nick Whitelegg wrote: > > Those of you looking for 100% FOSS software and who are focused on 360 degree > photography of off-road routes (walking trails and so on) might want to > consider OpenTrailView (https://opentrailview.org). has it a ge

Re: [OSM-talk] Large cadastral polygons

2020-06-13 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 12. Jun 2020, at 17:39, Paul Johnson wrote: > > Not just that, but cadastral type tags probably shouldn't be spanning large > areas to start with. If your landuse or landcover polygon is crossing an > unclassified or higher highway, you're probably making a big mistak

Re: [OSM-talk] Deprecated feature template in the wiki

2020-06-11 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
> On 10. Jun 2020, at 14:58, Mateusz Konieczny via talk < > talk@openstreetmap.org> wrote: > "Why is the definition for the tag removed" it never had a good definition. > > > the former definition was > A large water tank, typically cylindrical > personally I would also have suggested a differ

[OSM-talk] Deprecated feature template in the wiki

2020-06-10 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
I have seen that some features have been "deprecated" in the wiki by replacing all documentation with a template like this: example https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:man_made%3Dwater_tank > > {{Deprecated > |oldkey=man_made > |oldvalue=water_tank > |newtext=tag:man_made=storage_tank + tag:co

Re: [OSM-talk] river - stream

2020-06-08 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 8. Jun 2020, at 16:15, Dave F wrote: > >  Good Lord! > That has both tunnel & bridge tags on the same object! > This is not what is being discussed here. it’s in the secondary thread that you started here ;-) > There can't be both a tunnel and bridge. It's one or

Re: [OSM-talk] river - stream

2020-06-08 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
Am Sa., 6. Juni 2020 um 18:02 Uhr schrieb Dave F via talk < talk@openstreetmap.org>: > Do you have an example? > > A simple example for a tunnel (here subway) on a bridge would be this: https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/757824513 https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pont_Morand > Whether it's a brid

Re: [OSM-talk] river - stream

2020-06-06 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 5. Jun 2020, at 15:44, Dave F via talk wrote: > > There can't be both a tunnel and bridge. It's one or the other. This goes for > all scenarios, including roads. you can have both, but it is rare... and it depends on your definitions of course (e.g. you might call it

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM nicknames are Unicode characters? (not Ascii?)

2020-05-28 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 28. May 2020, at 17:20, Oleksiy Muzalyev > wrote: > > Practically all people in Russia studied a foreign language within the > compulsory education system. ... I am sure that typing several Latin letters > would not be a challenge. > > Besides in such disciplines as

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM nicknames are Unicode characters? (not Ascii?)

2020-05-28 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 28. May 2020, at 15:08, mbranco2 wrote: > > I was surprised finding an OSM username written in gothic characters: I'm not > sure if this mailing list could show such font, the nickname is 𝖒𝖆𝖘𝖙𝖗𝖔 > ("mastro" in normal characters). > The problem is that, if you want to a

Re: [OSM-talk] Examples at https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:access

2020-05-24 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 24. May 2020, at 12:16, Mateusz Konieczny via talk > wrote: > > I just added some example at https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:access > and improved existing one. > > Review, and improving edits (or comments here) would be welcomed. it’s a lot of text, are you

Re: [OSM-talk] Proposed mechanical edit - remove tracking parameters

2020-05-13 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 13. May 2020, at 13:44, Mateusz Konieczny via talk > wrote: > > It means that it is beneficial to turn tag > website=http://paris.intersquat.org/les-lieux/le-satellite/?fbclid=de58e340d6aa79a584552a2055042d004b9b19454bc0d7a6046fc81fc90f51 > into > website=http://paris.i

Re: [OSM-talk] Bridge area construction

2020-05-05 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 6. May 2020, at 00:28, Tobias Knerr wrote: > > The =construction + construction= tagging is only really > common for highway, building and railway tags (where it sticks around > for historic reasons, in my impression). interestingly, these are also the leading tags for

Re: [OSM-talk] Bridge area construction

2020-05-05 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone >> On 6. May 2020, at 00:08, Pierre Béland wrote: > I dont think that it is appropriate to superpose a landuse over a waterway. this is a good point, but you could spare the waterway out and just tag the construction site on the land. Depending on the details, bridge span a

Re: [OSM-talk] Bridge area construction

2020-05-05 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 5. May 2020, at 22:27, Jack Armstrong wrote: > > I assume the best way to map a large bridge area that's under construction > would be with the minimum following tags? I'm not asking about the ways > associated with/on the bridge. > > man_made=construction > construct

Re: [OSM-talk] Remove Wikidata parameter from Infobox on wiki (ValueDescription, KeyDescription boxes)

2020-05-03 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 3. May 2020, at 19:24, Andrew Hain wrote: > > there are also links to artificial Wikidata items such as Q57977870 highway > key in OpenStreetMap to consider. IMHO these are the least questionable kind, if all wikidata links from OpenStreetMap tags would be pointing t

Re: [OSM-talk] Let's talk Attribution

2020-04-30 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 30. Apr 2020, at 17:20, Tom Lee via talk wrote: > > But I do think they are a useful signal as we consider what "reasonable" > could mean. regarding the license, it clearly says reasonably calculated to make any person aware, however unreasonable someone might find

Re: [OSM-talk] Let's talk Attribution

2020-04-29 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 29. Apr 2020, at 23:17, Kathleen Lu wrote: > > Mapbox also has a whitelabling option for customers to remove the logo from > Mapbox tiles. But again, we're talking about the tile service. It would be > quite reasonable for OSM to add a logo to the OSM tiles and make ke

Re: [OSM-talk] Let's talk Attribution

2020-04-29 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
Am Mi., 29. Apr. 2020 um 04:05 Uhr schrieb Kathleen Lu < kathleen...@mapbox.com>: > I absolutely agree that looking at industry standard seems a good > indication of what is reasonable. > ...After researching this question, I found no commercial data provider > that required data attribution as pr

Re: [OSM-talk] Let's talk Attribution

2020-04-28 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 28. Apr 2020, at 23:34, Kathleen Lu via talk > wrote: > > The FAQ is not the license. The license is the ODbL. The ODbL says absolutely > nothing about whether attribution should be on a map or not. Read it here: > https://opendatacommons.org/licenses/odbl/index.html

Re: [OSM-talk] Let's talk Attribution

2020-04-28 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
Am Di., 28. Apr. 2020 um 06:51 Uhr schrieb Simon Poole : > > Am 27.04.2020 um 19:49 schrieb Alexandre Oliveira: > > Hello! > > > > I'll try to be brief and explain the main problems that exist with > > OSM's way of handling lack of (proper) attribution. > > > There was just a (nearly 100 messages)

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