Someoneelse wrote:
* For those keeping scores, I'm aware of 6 OMG a relation has
disappeareds since late last year. I believe that it's now 3-all
(JOSM v Potlatch). This one was JOSM/1.5 (4878 en_GB).
A few weeks ago I committed a change to beef up the delete relation
confirmation dialogue
Pieren wrote:
we have a media hype (or media excitement ?) about Microsoft
investing big dollars in OSM. [...]
Where is the truth here ?
I'm sure we'd all like to know!
I'm not aware of any announcement being made or (say) any formal contact
this year between Microsoft and OSMF.
cheers
Just spotted, for the first time, one with correct attribution! Brand new
poster at Burton-on-Trent station. Will post a pic when I'm, um, not on the
train. :)
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Delighted to report that Andy Street has agreed to the CTs. Thank you Andy.
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Mayeul Kauffmann wrote:
I think data licensed under CC-BY-SA 3.0 cannot be put
under ODbL without written authorisation by the copyright
owner. Can you confirm this?
Yes, that's correct.
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Steve Bennett wrote:
One thing we could add (in addition to trying to fix bugs in the
various places 1-length ways could be created) would be a
general filter at save time that prevents any 1-length ways
being sent back to the
In the UK there's a really annoying TV advert in which Michael Winner
(past-it film director and restaurant critic) urges Calm down, dear. It's
only a commercial. You can find it on YouTube if you want. Our beloved
(ahem) Prime Minister used the phrase to slap down a critic in the House
of Commons
Thanks again to Simon for this:
http://odbl.poole.ch/uk_major_and_secondary_roads.txt
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Stephan Knauss wrote:
Some editors create these ways. The most prominent one is Potlatch.
The Ticket is open since two years. xybot trys to correct some of
the problems until a bugfix is made in potlatch.
xybot does not help its cause by having the same ticket for Potlatch 1 and
Potlatch 2
overflorian a écrit:
Google Map Maker est sacrément bien fait : c'est simple, efficace,
sans flash ... c'est un peu l'interface qu'on attendait depuis
toujours pour potlatch !
En Anglais, on dit patches welcome. Vous allez nous aider?
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writes code for it.
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Michael Collinson wrote:
On 19/03/2012 13:40, John Sturdy wrote:
I think the time's getting close enough that I'll resume that work
anyway.
This is almost certainly a person I had an amicable phone
conversation with a week last Monday who is still concerned
that OS open data somehow is
Richard Bullock wrote:
I've just had an e-mail from Martin Green, who was one of the
larger undecided mappers. He has just in the last few minutes
accepted the new license terms
That's terrific news. Thank you Martin, if you're reading!
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We're now down to 900 problematic trunk/primary/motorway:
http://odbl.poole.ch/uk_major_roads.txt
Also greatly impressed with Coventry progress - very little red left now!
I've started intermittent work on Manchester; any help there would be
appreciated.
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Serge Wroclawski wrote:
This may appear on its surface to be an odd question, especially
to someone in academia, but our community is predicated
on the premise of communal sharing.
*ahem*
Speak for yourself. I engage with OSM because I believe that open geographic
data should exist, and the
Andrew Ayre wrote:
I can't imagine why the majority wouldn't agree on improving
attribution.
I think the attribution is great as it is. There's a whacking great big OSM
logo and a big Copyright licence link that leads to a more cogent and
helpful explanation of the licence than anything found
MarkS wrote:
The page has the latest counts (down to 1889 currently expected to
be deleted).
And now 1733 by Simon's latest tally. :)
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Ian Sergeant wrote:
However, if the transition happened today in Sydney, we would lose
every freeway, every trunk road, every primary road, the harbour
crossings, the foreshore. All the rivers.
Without wishing to play down your loss at all - I wouldn't want to be an
Australian OSM user at
On 08/03/2012 10:41, Yves wrote:
I think this is part of the fun searching for the datasource, there is
no attribution, right?
Indeed. A couple of us are having discussions about how to get this
addressed. Stay tuned.
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Fighting fires 2 keep systems up
* switch2osm.org fell over. Yep, so many people wanting to find out
about switching to OpenStreetMap that WordPress crapped
Freimut - I'm happy to talk to your journalist. As you might know, my day
job is as a magazine editor (our magazine celebrates its 40th anniversary
this year) and therefore, you could say, I'm quite accustomed to this kind
of work. Maybe you might be kind enough to forward my details to this
Steve Bennett wrote:
I can't speak for other countries, but in my city (Melbourne,
population 4 million, second biggest in Australia), parts of
the largest freeway, right near the centre of town, are currently
on the chopping board. That's a lot worse than any other
everyday missing roads,
Spod wrote:
http://512pixels.net/iphoto-for-ios-not-using-google-maps/
http://www.refnum.com/tmp/apple.html (thanks Dair!) will show you the tiles
they're using.
Seems to be TIGER in the States but OSM in lots of other places...
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Seems to be TIGER in the States but OSM in lots of other places...
...and the consensus is that the data is from some time late March/early
April 2010. Yes, really.
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Iván Sánchez Ortega wrote:
Looks like they're using a old (pre-2011) planet dump for the data.
Yep, we've now pinned it down to 1st-7th April 2010.
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Nathan Edgars II wrote:
Is it just me, or are there more timeout magnifying glasses than
usual? Is this due to the Osmarender server going down?
AIUI there's some work going on to get local tile mirrors to serve requests.
The London tile mirror (which currently serves the US) has had some
Charlotte Wolter wrote:
I'm having that problem and still having several others in
Potlatch 2. I can't add points. If I try to add a point, I can
no longer highlight any ways. I have to save my work, go
back to View and then return to Edit, which reloads
Potlatch 2.
Charlotte, we are
Have you not checked back at the tickets to see followup comments?
On 7 Mar 2012, at 16:58, Charlotte Wolter techl...@techlady.com wrote:
Richard,
I have posted tickets twice to TRAC in the last two days, and have no
communication about my issues. What requests are you referring
Michael Collinson wrote:
- as an OSM community member, are you happy for the OSMF to make
such a statement?
- is it true?
- can you see any negative consequences?
I'm with Ed and Frederik on this one, I'm afraid - I don't see any way in
which we can afford additional permissions on a one-off
Robert Whittaker (OSM) wrote:
Excellent -- thanks to both of you for getting this done.
The credit belongs to Simon, not me! I believe that he is willing to
regenerate the list on occasion, but will wait to be contradicted if that's
not the case.
I think the trunk roads are doable too if
MarkS wrote:
As Robert says getting a list of problem highway nodes/ways would
be a good step.
Simon has very kindly provided this:
http://odbl.poole.ch/uk_major_roads.txt
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But there are a few significant problem areas:
- Hertfordshire (Luton, Hemel etc.)
I'm delighted to report that the two major undecided mappers in
Hertfordshire have both just agreed. Thank you both.
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I wonder if another prioritisation approach might be useful
too -- prioritising certain high-value types of objects,
where-ever they might be.
Yes, I think that's an excellent idea. Obviously, everyone has their own
definition of high value (I'm quite anxious to
We change to the new licence in just under a month's time, so it's a
good time to look at the current state of the UK. What's likely not to
be carried through to the new database?
The good news is that the UK is in a very healthy state overall. Just
under 99% of nodes will survive (98.68%
Nathan Edgars II wrote:
What do you mean by red circles with no tag?
I think that's probably dupe nodes in P2.
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Philip Barnes wrote:
in an unknown village if you want to find the pub, head for the church.
Or in a cathedral city...:
http://www.imbibit.co.uk/
(shame it's a Google map, though)
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andrzej zaborowski wrote:
I honestly found it strange that RichardF would insist on
80n selecting one of the options.. really, what's the
point?
It's a courtesy thing. If you're going to refuse, have the decency to say
so, so that your fellow OSMeres know whether they'll be able to use your
Andy Mabbett wrote:
Do we have anyone who wants to try to secure some OSM
involvement in this:
I've done a bit of mapping of the WCP, with each county section as a
separate relation, all grouped together into a Wales Coast Path
super-relation:
Graham Jones wrote:
Maybe I am naive, but I struggle to believe that people are really
that vindictive - they have all put effort into contributing to the
project over time. That would come into the category of taking
a relaxing hobby too seriously to me!
Hi, you must be new round here.
jaakkoh wrote:
I don't remap because I lack official and final rules (and tool(s)) for
what
needs to be remapped.
+1
Use the WTFE licence status display in Potlatch 2 or JOSM - that is as close
to the community consensus as we have, and I expect the data change on 1st
April to follow it very
I've posted a how-to at:
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Remapping/Potlatch_2_vector_background_layers
and uploaded VectorMap District roads for ST and SY, so now the whole of
Devon, Cornwall and Somerset should be included.
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And there are real people using OSM in many other fields. What I mean
I think we all know what you _mean_, whether or not we agree with it. What
puzzles me is what you're trying to _achieve_.
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There is lots that could be improved about this workflow:
implementing TagTransform to remap tags automatically [...]
I'm very very unlikely to have much time to do this before
1st April
Oh, ok then.
P2 now supports MapCSS-based tag transformations. Or in English
David Earl wrote:
While several of us in Cambridgeshire have tried this, we've had
very limited success. It's hard to tell, but the problem seems to
that the vast majority of the problem people aren't receiving the
emails. We have no way to contact them.
Worth posting the usernames on the
Hi all,
In order to assist remapping in the South-West, I've uploaded a bunch of
OS-derived shapefiles each containing all the roads in a 10km x 10km
area. You can use Potlatch 2 to bring these geometries into the map,
saving tracing work.
To load:
1. Open Potlatch 2 at the required area.
Frederik Ramm wrote:
There's no reason for such vodoo logic. A way split or merge can
be determined from looking at a changeset. A changeset in which
a chain of nodes is removed from one way and added to another,
new way denotes a split.
I don't think that's necessarily true.
If we have:
andrzej zaborowski wrote:
(I thought it is i-i+j, at least in JOSM it was up to some point)
It is. But it's very difficult to extract that with certainty from a
non-trivial changeset. Add enough splits, and you may find i-i+j+k+l. Then
add some merges and some deletes, and you possibly have
Hello all,
A brief interruption from your scheduled programming.
legal-talk is currently more administered than moderated because I don't
have the time to moderate it and no moderator has been appointed.
That notwithstanding, I would ask participants in this thread to refrain
from using emotive
Stephan Knauss wrote:
Das ist egal. Die Bilder sind sauber. Potlach hat aus irgendwelchen
Gründen beschlossen diese Bereiche zu verschleiern.
You are certifiably insane.
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Bewdley.
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of it and especially Steve Brook and Ed Loach for filling the gap near
Bewdley.
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David Earl wrote:
BTW, the response to 'why don't you do this' is so often 'why don't
you do it yourself'.
Oh, absolutely. I don't think that was meant as a criticism. @osmblogs is a
great idea.
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woll wrote:
For way 3256123 (the anti-clockwise carriageway of the M25),
Potlatch doesn't seem to highlight it when the 'Show licence status'
option is enabled.
There was an issue for ways that were members of relations in some
circumstances. Someone else spotted it too and I've pushed a
Robin Paulson wrote:
http://www.openstreetmap.org/edit?lat=-36.878407lon=174.741523zoom=19
the landuse polygon has an orange highlight on it, why does it do that?
You've turned on the Show licence status option in the options box.
That'll give any object mapped by someone who's refused the new
SimonPoole wrote:
(I've been petitioning RichardF to have it turned on be default,
but that isn't the case AFAIK).
It'll be on by default when I get a spare minute.
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Andy Allan wrote:
[2] Originally meaning this is a legally declared 'Public
Footpath', it was ambiguously confused with a general
legal right of walking (e.g. on a bridleway). Automatic
inclusion on all footpaths of any type by potlatch1 for
a number of years
[Brief historical footnote:
Mike N. wrote:
Everyone will certainly enter name=Xyz Rd
for their first edit. The JOSM validator will pick this up, but I
don't remember if Potlatch 2 would notice that.
No, it won't. P2 will get inbuilt QA one day, but only when someone has the
time to do it _properly_. :)
cheers
John Sturdy wrote:
The slowdown I notice is on a single-core 512Mb machine, and I
haven't looked into full system statistics for it but the behaviour
is consistent with thrashing virtual memory... after editing for a
while, drawing ways with the mouse gets very slow (almost freezes);
I
Jason Cunningham wrote:
Thanks Mike, I'll now start having a proper go at replacing some of
Guys data. A monumental task and I think I'll just start with the
important roads.
A very curious situation, as Guy appears to still be mapping in OSM, just
with a new account (GUY, all-caps:
John Sturdy wrote:
Another oddity I've noticed (also probably deep within Flash) is that
P2 sometimes either doesn't respond to a keypress but does to the
corresponding mouse click, or just responds much slower to the
keypress. (I notice this with add in advanced mode, versus the +
key.)
Peter Miller wrote:
Is there no way in this case to formally 'claim' the IPR for
this features on the basis that we have moved them
and edited all the surrounding features?
Yes, there is - tag it with odbl=clean.
To replace a single node that forms a junction might
involve unstitching 3
Michael Collinson wrote:
+1 to Richard's suggestion odbl=clean
Just a tiny little clarification - this isn't something I've dreamed up,
it's a real live tag with 9,000 occurrences in the database already, and
which is being used by status visualisations such as OSM Inspector. :)
cheers
Richard
David Earl wrote:
Why does pressing the keys make any
difference whatsoever? The original contributor doesn't own the
copyright in the name, only their contribution, and by marking it
odbl clean I'm making an alternative contribution which asserts
the source is now legitimate.
I think
Lester Caine wrote:
OK how many of you are having trouble editing for
more than 10 minutes? I've lost as much work as
I've done this evening with potlach just freezing :(
I had the same problem at the weekend, but put it
down to finger trouble, know I know it is software.
If you _know_
this relation from scratch
would be a *lot* of work, as it covers lane and paths across
hundreds of miles.
There is no chuffing way I am allowing our NCN coverage to go to pot on 1st
April! Least of all Lon Las Cymru (NCN 8):
http://vimeo.com/6623643
Anyone who can spot when Richard
Philippe Pary a écrit:
Cependant je crois deviner que mes compères seraient plus
motivés à prendre SotM 2013 que SotM-eu cette année.
Personnellement, je serais très heureux de voir SotM-EU 2012 à Lille. Tokyo,
c'est trop loin pour moi et pour la plupart d'OSMeurs britanniques.
amitiés
Our appeal for a new server is tantalisingly standing at 97.2%:
http://donate.osm.org/server2011/
Will we get to 100% by Christmas Day - a Christmas present for OSM?
If you can give just £5/€5/$5 or local currency of your choice, please
do - it'd be lovely to get to 100% for
...100%!
And the order for the new server has been placed.
Have a happy Christmas everyone.
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Martijn van Exel wrote:
there's bound to be people slave-mapping for GMM that
would contribute to OSM instead if 1) they knew about
it or 2) it were easier to get started.
If we had more than five people coding on the main site then maybe we could
start to fix 2. ;)
We're kind of hamstrung
Edward Hillsman wrote:
that Potlatch does not highlight everything that even the OSM
Inspector designates as being at risk of removal or reversion
(giving false positives and false negatives; I have identified
one of each in the area I map)
Potlatch 2 uses exactly the same source as OSM
Maarten Deen wrote:
Well, since all history of that data before API v0.5 is lost
Hey hey hey. Slow down.
Data before API 0.5 is _not_ lost. It is archived.
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Maarten Deen wrote:
That is something different than what 80n said earlier
80n, not for the first time, is wrong.
So, which is it? Cleared and no details about any previous
modifications or archived and earlier details available?
You have to excuse the confusion, because these are
Grant Humphries wrote:
Can anyone expand on that or point me in the direction to
find more information about this?
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Quick_History_Service#Changeset_Overrides
should be right. I'm sure Andrzej can supply more details if required.
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Floris Looijesteijn wrote:
I think that should be made more clear on the remapping page.
You mean the fact that the _very_ _first_ _sentence_ of the main page
content is
Remapping means 'replacing with new content'. It does not mean simply
copying the old content - that might infringe the
Adam Hoyle wrote:
For example (there are a lot more examples):
http://tools.geofabrik.de/osmi/?view=wtfelon=-0.81228lat=51.72366zoom=17
shows a path with red nodes, but I added that and no-one else has edited
If you look at the history of each node, you can see who's edited it.
In this case,
80n wrote:
Isn't it time to block edits to non-CT content?
There is certainly an issue here, and what you describe as non-CT content
can take two forms.
There is content that will not be relicensed. This is the content input by
those who have declined the Contributor Terms.
I agree that it
Adam Hoyle wrote:
is there something else I need to do?
It'll only work in the default, 'Potlatch' map style (not 'Network' or
'Wireframe' or others - I need to fix that!) but apart from that, yes, that
should be all you need to do.
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Oh wow - I must have been on some long gone map
style, it's all looking very different now I've changed
the map style (and looking good too). Am I right in
saying that purple outlines mean things are part of
a hiking route, and green outline means foot route right?
80n wrote:
The two forms you describe are quite irrelevant and just muddy the water.
Can you answer the question, please?
You have edited a bunch of stuff in the North Cotswolds, which is an area
very near where I live and which I care about. I remember one changeset
called Cotswolds, another
80n wrote:
David, many people have been coerced or suckered into agreeing. I've
been badgered many times (including three times today, on this very
thread by an OSMF board member).
No. I am badgering you to say what you will do, or explain why you will not
say. Obviously, I would prefer it
(Sorry, tried to send this yesterday but my subscription to talk-de
appeared to have died! Apologies in advance for posting in English.)
Tirkon's claim about Potlatch and relation handling is complete nonsense.
To edit a relation in Potlatch 2:
* select a node or way which is a member of that
Martin Koppenhoefer wrote:
So in the end I am happy that someone recently coded the
missing relation support for Potlatch2, but given your
statements from previous discussions (as well as you closing
relative tickets with won't fix) wasn't really encouraging to
think that this has been
Martin Koppenhoefer wrote:
Btw: I am not aware of the concept of parasitical criticism, what do
you intent? - reply offlist preferred to keep the noise low
Replied offlist.
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Ed Avis wrote:
In some parts of the country there are waterways traced from out-of-
copyright OS maps or from Street View tiles. Getting the shapes from
OS VectorMap will certainly be an improvement on that.
Absolutely. Some of the tracing from NPE appears to have been done either
from the
Pawel Stankiewicz wrote:
I wonder who can know this maze of channels in such
degree (s)he could improve significantly a long-term
work of professionals from OS.
Someone like the guy who wrote
www.localboating.co.uk/The%20Walton%20Backwaters.pdf , perhaps?
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80n wrote:
I think Frederik has managed to decimate more of London than five years
of bombing did during WW2 ;)
Well, there's quite an easy way for you and Ed A to fix that, of course. ;)
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Richard, I already did fix it, just not in the way that you'd like.
Sorry.
Ok. If that's final, could I then ask you to have the courage of your
convictions and actually click 'Decline' to the Contributor Terms, please,
rather than leaving it hanging as 'Undecided'?
cheers
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Graham Jones wrote:
This is one where it is certainly possible to import the data, but to
do it manually is going to be a huge amount of effort, and I wonder
if it is really worth the effort?
I think it is, yes. If I may be so immodest to repeat myself from the IRC
quotes page on the wiki:
Nick Whitelegg wrote:
OK. I get the impression that if he PDs his edits then they can be
carried through; can you confirm this is the case?
Any data (whether OSM edits* or a third-party source) that are declared
to be public domain, i.e. free of rights, can indeed be included in
OSM post-1st
As posted on talk-gb, Google Maps appear to have switched to using their
own data rather than Tele Atlas's in the UK this morning.
This raises a couple of interesting points.
Firstly, it seems pretty clear to me that some of the data is OS-derived
(probably from OpenData or a commercial
Google have finally done it: they've switched from TeleAtlas to Google
map data in the UK.
Set your stopwatches for the first newspaper story about man drives off
cliff - '...but Google told me it was a road'!. Some of their choices
are, shall we say, a little heroic.
cheers
Richard
Nick Whitelegg wrote:
(I'm also keen BTW to deal with a possible licencing issue here.
A long-standing contributor has mapped many footpaths in
Hampshire already but has not signed up to the CTs. Naturally
I'm keen not to see all his hard work lost, and TBH, while I'm
licence-neutral,
Frans Thamura wrote:
i just hacking the osm logo (develop using inkspace, isnt it?),
now ichange and make it AI.
Illustrator's SVG import is famously buggy (and I say that as someone who
generally likes Illustrator very much). Your best bet is to use a tool with
a better understanding of SVG,
Pawel Stankiewicz wrote:
If you don't know how to revert an import, chances are you
shouldn't be doing the import in the first place.
Chances are something very different from a ban.
No. You're misunderstanding English idiom.
I've now edited the page for the benefit of other people who have
Pawel Stankiewicz wrote:
I would like to find out which Wiki articles states:
only run automated edits if you know what you're
doing and how to repair any damage you might cause
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Import/Guidelines
If you don't know how to revert an import, chances are you
jaakkoh wrote:
Or maybe, just maybe, some of the blessed developers who
know Rails well enough could help make connecting with
other mappers easier/smoother/even_delightful
There's lots of stuff that can be done and I suspect OWL, Matt's what edits
are actually happening in a given area
Richard Mann wrote:
There are also some non-approved stickers that Sustrans have put
up in various places.
Not sure which stickers you're referring to, but IIRC Sustrans 'Ranger'
stickers are approved for use by almost all highway authorities in England,
including Oxfordshire. (The two I'm
Hello all,
[crossposted to various groups]
As you may know the OSM Foundation has lots of terribly boring-sounding
working groups and the Strategic Working Group is possibly the most
boring-sounding of the lot.
However... occasionally we do things that are not stultifyingly boring
and this
Frederik Ramm wrote:
I think that anything said until here will not be disputed by Richard
Indeed not. :)
the bit that *can* be disputed is whether or not it is permissible
to label your resulting image a database and then not release
the database behind it.
Yep. I read the EU Database
Hello all,
We seem to be ending up with wildly conflicting use of 'lcn=yes',
'lcn_ref=*', and similar tags across Britain.
In London, these tags are used as you would expect - to map the
signposted London Cycle Network. It's pretty much in keeping with ncn=
and rcn= tagging.
In Worcester,
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