Re: [OSM-talk] Is it technically and legally possible to add the Open Location Code to the OSM search?

Am 13.08.18 schrieb Simon Poole: Am 13.08.2018 um 18:46 schrieb Daniel Koć: Since buildings are not guaranteed to fit into OLC rectangles and they not 1:1 compatible, this usage makes sense for me. If you are doing that, why bother with OLC then, when  you can just as well do some kind of

Re: [OSM-talk] Is it technically and legally possible to add the Open Location Code to the OSM search?

W dniu 13.08.2018 o 19:23, Frederik Ramm pisze: > Which code would you then add to a building? I guess I was not clear enough. I meant only the case when there is proper sign on the building, I would tag it as an address then. Then and only then. It's perfectly verifiable and I don't have to

Re: [OSM-talk] Is it technically and legally possible to add the Open Location Code to the OSM search?

Currently if I wish to send a letter or a package to someone I send it to John Smith @ 110 main street. OLC codes replaces 110 main street but it does have limitations but John smith @ OLC code should get it close enough to be delivered. The other issue is there are just the odd one or two

Re: [OSM-talk] Is it technically and legally possible to add the Open Location Code to the OSM search?

On Mon, Aug 13, 2018 at 1:23 PM, Frederik Ramm wrote: > Hi, > > On 08/13/2018 06:46 PM, Daniel Koć wrote: >>> I also don't see a reason to add the OLC codes in tags in the >>> database, even if marked on a building. > >> Since buildings are not guaranteed to fit into OLC rectangles and they >>

Re: [OSM-talk] Is it technically and legally possible to add the Open Location Code to the OSM search?

Am 13.08.2018 um 18:46 schrieb Daniel Koć: > W dniu 13.08.2018 o 18:37, Jo pisze: > >> I also don't see a reason to add the OLC codes in tags in the >> database, even if marked on a building. > Since buildings are not guaranteed to fit into OLC rectangles and they > not 1:1 compatible, this

Re: [OSM-talk] Is it technically and legally possible to add the Open Location Code to the OSM search?

On 13.08.18 19:46, Daniel Koć wrote: W dniu 13.08.2018 o 18:37, Jo pisze: I also don't see a reason to add the OLC codes in tags in the database, even if marked on a building. Since buildings are not guaranteed to fit into OLC rectangles and they not 1:1 compatible, this usage makes sense for

Re: [OSM-talk] Is it technically and legally possible to add the Open Location Code to the OSM search?

Hi, On 08/13/2018 06:46 PM, Daniel Koć wrote: >> I also don't see a reason to add the OLC codes in tags in the >> database, even if marked on a building. > Since buildings are not guaranteed to fit into OLC rectangles and they > not 1:1 compatible, this usage makes sense for me. Which code

Re: [OSM-talk] Is it technically and legally possible to add the Open Location Code to the OSM search?

W dniu 13.08.2018 o 18:37, Jo pisze: > I also don't see a reason to add the OLC codes in tags in the > database, even if marked on a building. Since buildings are not guaranteed to fit into OLC rectangles and they not 1:1 compatible, this usage makes sense for me. -- "My method is uncertain/

Re: [OSM-talk] Is it technically and legally possible to add the Open Location Code to the OSM search?

I would think that if you are in the field, apps like OsmAnd and Maps.ME can show you the OLC address of where you are. If you want to see a grid in JOSM or iD, it should be trivial to either show them as transparent imagery, or in the case of JOSM, have a plugin draw the grid and show it as an

Re: [OSM-talk] Is it technically and legally possible to add the Open Location Code to the OSM search?

Hi Tom, This is an example of the first way I and I think others in the humanitarian world need to use OLCs to evaluate them for what they can or can not solve for humanitarian and other use cases: https://twitter.com/BlakeGirardot/status/1028689726088388609 We need to deal with them at scale,

Re: [OSM-talk] Is it technically and legally possible to add the Open Location Code to the OSM search?

Perhaps let me add my 2c: In my mental model there are two cases in which plus codes attain different semantics: a plus code as an encoding of latitude and longitude, and a plus code written on an sign above a door or on a house. If you asked me I'd say the first should not be ingested into a

Re: [OSM-talk] Is it technically and legally possible to add the Open Location Code to the OSM search?

I'm surprised to see that this conversation has made it past the weekend. Since it has, let me add my voice to those suggesting that encoding OLC in the database (or any other values that can be algorithmically derived from geometry) makes very little sense. I'm grateful to everyone who has

Re: [OSM-talk] Is it technically and legally possible to add the Open Location Code to the OSM search?

On 12.08.18 02:59, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: On 12. Aug 2018, at 01:40, Simon Poole > wrote: People seem to be looking more for unique ids for their dwellings than something that is dependent on a relatively fine grained location/coordinate value, of which you may

Re: [OSM-talk] Is it technically and legally possible to add the Open Location Code to the OSM search?

sent from a phone > On 12. Aug 2018, at 01:40, Simon Poole wrote: > > People seem to be looking more for unique ids for their dwellings than > something that is dependent on a relatively fine grained location/coordinate > value, of which you may have multiple for one house. We know this

Re: [OSM-talk] Is it technically and legally possible to add the Open Location Code to the OSM search?

Unfortunately reality is new mappers cut and paste buildings so you end up with multiple buildings with the same address. There are three other problems, maintenance is the first. How do you ensure that new buildings get a code? Second in many parts of Africa the same building gets mapped more

Re: [OSM-talk] Is it technically and legally possible to add the Open Location Code to the OSM search?

Am 12.08.2018 um 01:27 schrieb john whelan: > > Note my opposition, notwithstanding my general concerns about > fiddling with the markets, is founded in that plus codes are just > simply not very good/fit for purpose. > > And discounting using pure lat and long your solution would be? A pure

Re: [OSM-talk] Is it technically and legally possible to add the Open Location Code to the OSM search?

> Note my opposition, notwithstanding my general concerns about fiddling with the markets, is founded in that plus codes are just simply not very good/fit for purpose. And discounting using pure lat and long your solution would be? Thanks John On 11 August 2018 at 19:04, Simon Poole wrote: >

Re: [OSM-talk] Is it technically and legally possible to add the Open Location Code to the OSM search?

Am 11.08.2018 um 16:39 schrieb Richard Fairhurst: >  is a good idea, > apart from Simon, and even Homer nods sometimes. > > Note my opposition, notwithstanding my general concerns about fiddling with the markets, is founded in that plus codes are just simply not very good/fit for purpose.

Re: [OSM-talk] Is it technically and legally possible to add the Open Location Code to the OSM search?

I think what is needed is an independent way to generate them from OSMand and I think that is part of the missing puzzle. Cheerio John On 11 August 2018 at 11:30, Blake Girardot HOT/OSM < blake.girar...@hotosm.org> wrote: > On Sat, Aug 11, 2018 at 10:39 AM, Richard Fairhurst > wrote: > > Blake

Re: [OSM-talk] Is it technically and legally possible to add the Open Location Code to the OSM search?

On Sat, Aug 11, 2018 at 10:39 AM, Richard Fairhurst wrote: > Blake Girardot wrote: >> Also: No one is getting paid for anything related to this at this >> point. I personally would like to see Google donate to the OSMF >> and let the OSMF grant it out to help OSM core and eco system >> tools

Re: [OSM-talk] Is it technically and legally possible to add the Open Location Code to the OSM search?

Blake Girardot wrote: > Also: No one is getting paid for anything related to this at this > point. I personally would like to see Google donate to the OSMF > and let the OSMF grant it out to help OSM core and eco system > tools implement OLC native in code as it should be. That's done. Tom has

Re: [OSM-talk] Is it technically and legally possible to add the Open Location Code to the OSM search?

What do the users in Tanzania require? Do they have access to an android smartphone? If so what is wrong with using OSMand, its free. Every building in Tanzania has a visible OLC code and its permanent so no danger it will disappear after the trial. Cheerio John On 11 August 2018 at 09:31,

Re: [OSM-talk] Is it technically and legally possible to add the Open Location Code to the OSM search?

On Sat, Aug 11, 2018 at 5:49 AM, Frederik Ramm wrote: > Hi, > > On 11.08.2018 11:21, mmd wrote: >> With all due respect, I think we've long crossed that point: > > All these have been added by accident, as a side effect of undiscussed > imports. > > This is bad, but not as bad as adding them on

Re: [OSM-talk] Is it technically and legally possible to add the Open Location Code to the OSM search?

On 8/11/2018 1:35 AM, Oleksiy Muzalyev wrote: And they will not start putting up signs of the Plus-Codes outside their house unless the OpenStreetMap community accept this technology. What would actually happen in these locations? Do they bring up the web site

Re: [OSM-talk] Is it technically and legally possible to add the Open Location Code to the OSM search?

Am 11.08.2018 um 12:18 schrieb Christoph Hormann: > I hope you are aware that you are defending a bad tagging idea with the > existence of other bad tagging ideas. The intention was actually quite the opposite. It was more a question of taking a step back and revisiting those tags where

Re: [OSM-talk] Is it technically and legally possible to add the Open Location Code to the OSM search?

Yes indeed, otherwise I wouldn't have recorded them. I'd be happy to hear a better solution for survey points. The naive approach is to assume that the latitude and longitude of the point in OSM is the surveyed value, which it should be, but without external corroboration you can't be sure.

Re: [OSM-talk] Is it technically and legally possible to add the Open Location Code to the OSM search?

Do you know whether the latitude and longitude on the plaque are in the WGS84 that we use? From: Andrew Errington Sent: 11 August 2018 10:56 To: mmd Cc: Talk Openstreetmap Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] Is it technically and legally possible to add the Open Location

Re: [OSM-talk] Is it technically and legally possible to add the Open Location Code to the OSM search?

On Saturday 11 August 2018, mmd wrote: > > With all due respect, I think we've long crossed that point: > > https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/KSJ2%3Alat > https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/ngbe%3Alat_ed50 > https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/gns%3ALAT >

Re: [OSM-talk] Is it technically and legally possible to add the Open Location Code to the OSM search?

I tag survey points with latitude and longitude (taken from the plaque on the survey marker). Then it is possible to see if they have been moved accidentally, and for users to check that they are actually in the surveyed location. Andrew On Sat, Aug 11, 2018, 21:24 mmd wrote: > Am 10.08.2018

Re: [OSM-talk] Is it technically and legally possible to add the Open Location Code to the OSM search?

Hi, On 11.08.2018 11:21, mmd wrote: > With all due respect, I think we've long crossed that point: All these have been added by accident, as a side effect of undiscussed imports. This is bad, but not as bad as adding them on purpose in the course of an ill-conceived aid project with the promise

Re: [OSM-talk] Is it technically and legally possible to add the Open Location Code to the OSM search?

Op za 11 aug. 2018 om 11:24 schreef mmd : > > With all due respect, I think we've long crossed that point: > > https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/KSJ2%3Alat > https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/ngbe%3Alat_ed50 > https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/gns%3ALAT >

Re: [OSM-talk] Is it technically and legally possible to add the Open Location Code to the OSM search?

Am 10.08.2018 um 19:46 schrieb Christoph Hormann: > The idea of tagging encoded coordinates is so ridiculous to anyone with > a bit of understanding of computer programming, data processing and > data maintainance that even after ignoring all the arguments in > substance that have been voiced

Re: [OSM-talk] Is it technically and legally possible to add the Open Location Code to the OSM search?

The argument against the goog is that they have a monopolies in certain markets and are using those to extend in to others, I doubt that you could make a case against third parties supporting what then becomes the monopoly system, but who knows. I've actually legally been in that situation

Re: [OSM-talk] Is it technically and legally possible to add the Open Location Code to the OSM search?

If they did sue, could Nomination, Osmand or OSM be liable if we implement it? -- Andrew From: Simon Poole Sent: 11 August 2018 09:43 To: Blake Girardot Cc: OpenStreetMap Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] Is it technically and legally possible to add the Open Location

Re: [OSM-talk] Is it technically and legally possible to add the Open Location Code to the OSM search?

Am 10.08.2018 um 23:25 schrieb Blake Girardot: > Is that not the reason OSM was started in the first place? :) It is slightly different in more than one way for a monopoly owner to pre-emptively create and promote a free system  to stop a competitor from gaining a foothold in a potential new

Re: [OSM-talk] Is it technically and legally possible to add the Open Location Code to the OSM search?

On 10/08/2018 21:41, Blake Girardot wrote: But while I do not like the w3w solution, if they wanted to support OSMF to improve w3w support in osm core and the ecosystem of tools I would be all for giving it the exact same trial if the community agreed. But generally, I think plus codes are

Re: [OSM-talk] Is it technically and legally possible to add the Open Location Code to the OSM search?

On Saturday 11 August 2018, Blake Girardot wrote: > >> > >> Ok, enough of your overly polite, gentle feedback stuff, tell us > >> how you really feel :) > > > > I am afraid that even after reading it several times i have no idea > > what you want to say with that. > > My apologies Christoph, it

Re: [OSM-talk] Is it technically and legally possible to add the Open Location Code to the OSM search?

> If the OSM community accepts the OpenLocationCode, then it would become de facto universal addressing system. Only then people may start believing and investing in it. As others have pointed out the proper place for OSM to support the OpenLocationCode in OSM is in

Re: [OSM-talk] Is it technically and legally possible to add the Open Location Code to the OSM search?

Am 11.08.2018 um 01:19 schrieb Martin Koppenhoefer: > While it is true that both parties have economic interest in this, plus codes > are both, free to use and open source, unlike their 3 words competitor. Even > if w3w „wins“ we would likely not be interested in promoting them on OSMF >

Re: [OSM-talk] Is it technically and legally possible to add the Open Location Code to the OSM search?

sent from a phone > On 11. Aug 2018, at 07:28, Martin Trautmann wrote: > > And this is still a two dimensional address only? How about multilevel > buildings? for tall buildings you will add a floor number I guess, and in more complex cases a unit or door number as well. These do not

Re: [OSM-talk] Is it technically and legally possible to add the Open Location Code to the OSM search?

This looks to be very comfortably within the computational ability of mobile phone apps (“You could calculate it with AI” is a much less attractive deletionist argument) so everyone who has implemented it by conerting coordinates on the fly would seem to be doing the right thing. -- Andrew

Re: [OSM-talk] Is it technically and legally possible to add the Open Location Code to the OSM search?

On 11.08.18 08:28, Martin Trautmann wrote: On 18-08-09 15:32, oleksiy.muzal...@bluewin.ch wrote: Open Location Codes are also referred to as "plus codes".  Since August 2015, Google Maps supports plus codes in their search engine. The algorithm is Open Source, licensed under the Apache License

Re: [OSM-talk] Is it technically and legally possible to add the Open Location Code to the OSM search?

On 11.08.18 00:58, Andrew Harvey wrote: I agree, unless people start putting up signs of the Plus Codes outside their house and you're mapping that as the on the ground housenumber. ... ___ And they will not start putting up signs of the

Re: [OSM-talk] Is it technically and legally possible to add the Open Location Code to the OSM search?

On 18-08-09 15:32, oleksiy.muzal...@bluewin.ch wrote: > Open Location Codes are also referred to as "plus codes".  Since August > 2015, Google Maps supports plus codes in their search engine. The > algorithm is Open Source, licensed under the Apache License 2.0. and > available on GitHub [1].

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I have two concerns about separate tags and they come from my validation experience with HOT mappers. The first is duplicate buildings. When faced with 50 duplicate buildings in a village if I'm feeling good I'll use the to do list to look at each pair and delete the one that is the one that

Re: [OSM-talk] Is it technically and legally possible to add the Open Location Code to the OSM search?

sent from a phone > On 10. Aug 2018, at 22:06, Blake Girardot HOT/OSM > wrote: > > In the short term, putting a few thousand plus-codes in as addresses, > while the local community tries them out. Who know if they work for > local folks, but just jamming a few thousand in will allow all the

Re: [OSM-talk] Is it technically and legally possible to add the Open Location Code to the OSM search?

sent from a phone > On 10. Aug 2018, at 22:06, Simon Poole wrote: > > As I've pointed out before, if OSM supports a specific system, it > amounts to us picking a winner , and I really don't think that is a good > idea. we could support any system that is used and can be used free and

Re: [OSM-talk] Is it technically and legally possible to add the Open Location Code to the OSM search?

On Fri, Aug 10, 2018 at 6:23 PM, Christoph Hormann wrote: > On Friday 10 August 2018, Blake Girardot HOT/OSM wrote: >> > The idea of tagging encoded coordinates is so ridiculous to anyone >> > with a bit of understanding of computer programming, data >> > processing and data maintainance that

Re: [OSM-talk] Is it technically and legally possible to add the Open Location Code to the OSM search?

On Friday 10 August 2018, Blake Girardot HOT/OSM wrote: > > The idea of tagging encoded coordinates is so ridiculous to anyone > > with a bit of understanding of computer programming, data > > processing and data maintainance that even after ignoring all the > > arguments in substance that have

Re: [OSM-talk] Is it technically and legally possible to add the Open Location Code to the OSM search?

On 2018-08-10 1:06 PM, Blake Girardot HOT/OSM wrote: Learning the real world use cases and where the proper technological solutions work and if there really genuinely are places where dynamic generation is just not possible. This seems totally in line with things done in the past and should

Re: [OSM-talk] Is it technically and legally possible to add the Open Location Code to the OSM search?

On 10 August 2018 at 22:47, Michael Reichert wrote: > > There is no need for this data in OSM because the data can be retrieved > automatically from latitude and longitude (plain coordinates) which are > already assigned to anything which has a location on the planet. > > Adding Plus Code tags to

Re: [OSM-talk] Is it technically and legally possible to add the Open Location Code to the OSM search?

On 10 August 2018 at 21:06, Blake Girardot HOT/OSM wrote: > Hi Frederick, > > I appreciate the thoughtful reply. > > I think for the most part we all agree on the technology solution > really looking like the best option. But it is the best option in the > medium and long term. > > In the short

Re: [OSM-talk] Is it technically and legally possible to add the Open Location Code to the OSM search?

On Fri, Aug 10, 2018 at 4:35 PM, Simon Poole wrote: > That is not the point, for the goog it is a net win simply avoiding > systems being adopted for which they potentially would have to pay > royalties for. Is that not the reason OSM was started in the first place? :) But I agree, I hope

Re: [OSM-talk] Is it technically and legally possible to add the Open Location Code to the OSM search?

On 2018-08-10 21:06, Simon Poole wrote: While the goals sound worthy, it is unclear if any of the grid systems (w3w, plus codes and so on) deliver on their promises and have any traction outside of people in countries with established addressing systems trying to push them as solutions for

Re: [OSM-talk] Is it technically and legally possible to add the Open Location Code to the OSM search?

Let us just recap. Open Location Code can be used in OSMand today for anything in Openstreetmap. It both shows the OLC code and can search for the OLC code so to my mind OLC is already available in OpenStreetMap and can be used operationally today. There is no need to add additional tags to the

Re: [OSM-talk] Is it technically and legally possible to add the Open Location Code to the OSM search?

On Fri, Aug 10, 2018 at 4:30 PM, Simon Poole wrote: > > > Am 10.08.2018 um 22:14 schrieb Blake Girardot HOT/OSM: >> ... >> Our community should have a say in what wins, we can try them both, >> but here is a local group asking us to try plus codes and there is a >> lot of momentum behind it. > In

Re: [OSM-talk] Is it technically and legally possible to add the Open Location Code to the OSM search?

Am 10.08.2018 um 22:18 schrieb Oleksiy Muzalyev: > ... > > The OLC is Open Source with the Apache 2.0 license. I have a doubt > though, - cannot Google in couple of years say: "We change the license > and not one has to pay for the OLC usage?" I am not a lawyer and I do > not know such

Re: [OSM-talk] Is it technically and legally possible to add the Open Location Code to the OSM search?

Am 10.08.2018 um 22:14 schrieb Blake Girardot HOT/OSM: > ... > Our community should have a say in what wins, we can try them both, > but here is a local group asking us to try plus codes and there is a > lot of momentum behind it. In the case of w3w one can actually make a technical case for

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> > I think it will work like this - a dispatcher at an ambulance service says > during a call: "We will not go to your house unless you provide the > plus-code. Bot the Google Maps and OpenStreetMap websites allow to generate > the plus-code for a house." I mean it will not work without a

Re: [OSM-talk] Is it technically and legally possible to add the Open Location Code to the OSM search?

On 10.08.18 23:06, Simon Poole wrote: While the goals sound worthy, it is unclear if any of the grid systems (w3w, plus codes and so on) deliver on their promises and have any traction outside of people in countries with established addressing systems trying to push them as solutions for

Re: [OSM-talk] Is it technically and legally possible to add the Open Location Code to the OSM search?

On Fri, Aug 10, 2018 at 4:06 PM, Simon Poole wrote: > > While the goals sound worthy, it is unclear if any of the grid systems > (w3w, plus codes and so on) deliver on their promises and have any > traction outside of people in countries with established addressing > systems trying to push them

Re: [OSM-talk] Is it technically and legally possible to add the Open Location Code to the OSM search?

While the goals sound worthy, it is unclear if any of the grid systems (w3w, plus codes and so on) deliver on their promises and have any traction outside of people in countries with established addressing systems trying to push them as solutions for countries without. As I've pointed out

Re: [OSM-talk] Is it technically and legally possible to add the Open Location Code to the OSM search?

Hi Frederick, I appreciate the thoughtful reply. I think for the most part we all agree on the technology solution really looking like the best option. But it is the best option in the medium and long term. In the short term, putting a few thousand plus-codes in as addresses, while the local

Re: [OSM-talk] Is it technically and legally possible to add the Open Location Code to the OSM search?

On Fri, Aug 10, 2018 at 1:46 PM, Christoph Hormann wrote: > The idea of tagging encoded coordinates is so ridiculous to anyone with > a bit of understanding of computer programming, data processing and > data maintainance that even after ignoring all the arguments in > substance that have been

Re: [OSM-talk] Is it technically and legally possible to add the Open Location Code to the OSM search?

On 2018-08-10 20:11, Frederik Ramm wrote: The approach that I - and everyone else who applies the same logic - propose, is: 1. A zooms to their house on OSMAnd. 2. A clicks on the house to invoke the plus code computation function in OSMAnd. 3. OSMAnd displays the plus code. 4. A tells B the

Re: [OSM-talk] Is it technically and legally possible to add the Open Location Code to the OSM search?

On 10.08.18 22:26, Frederik Ramm wrote: ... The sensible approach is to add the logic that converts plus codes to locations and vice versa to those places where people interface with the map - be that the osm.org web site, ... This is the focal point of this discussion. Do we want to accept

Re: [OSM-talk] Is it technically and legally possible to add the Open Location Code to the OSM search?

On Fri, Aug 10, 2018 at 8:18 PM Oleksiy Muzalyev < oleksiy.muzal...@bluewin.ch> wrote: > On 10.08.18 21:07, Mark Wagner wrote: > > On Fri, 10 Aug 2018 09:32:50 -0700 > > Vao Matua wrote: > > > >> Plus code can be calculated on the fly, but if they are > >> to be used we will need to have

Re: [OSM-talk] Is it technically and legally possible to add the Open Location Code to the OSM search?

Blake, On 10.08.2018 19:23, Blake Girardot wrote: > I think an approach based on local buy-in, with a small scale test of > adding the PlusCode address to the objects is the fastest, OSM'ish way > forward. Christoph was a bit harsh in his response but I think he is right on teh fundamentals, and

Re: [OSM-talk] Is it technically and legally possible to add the Open Location Code to the OSM search?

On 10.08.18 21:07, Mark Wagner wrote: On Fri, 10 Aug 2018 09:32:50 -0700 Vao Matua wrote: Plus code can be calculated on the fly, but if they are to be used we will need to have hardcopy maps with the addresses that can be used to direct aid workers to a specific location. Plus codes form a

Re: [OSM-talk] Is it technically and legally possible to add the Open Location Code to the OSM search?

Hi, I am very surprised that this discussion is not dead yet. To me, this is like one person saying 1+1 is 2 and the other person saying 1+1 is 3. This is something that should not be a matter of opinion; this is a matter of logic. Vao, when you write: > My objective is to give addresses to

Re: [OSM-talk] Is it technically and legally possible to add the Open Location Code to the OSM search?

On 8/10/2018 1:33 PM, Barry Hunter wrote: But in the case of a long driveway wouldnt the address be attached to the entryway (so that directions etc, can route to the right location)? This isn't very common, and there's no documentation of this practice on the addr or service=driveway wiki

Re: [OSM-talk] Is it technically and legally possible to add the Open Location Code to the OSM search?

On Fri, 10 Aug 2018 09:32:50 -0700 Vao Matua wrote: > Plus code can be calculated on the fly, but if they are > to be used we will need to have hardcopy maps with the addresses that > can be used to direct aid workers to a specific location. Plus codes form a hierarchical grid, so supporting

Re: [OSM-talk] Is it technically and legally possible to add the Open Location Code to the OSM search?

On 10.08.18 20:46, Christoph Hormann wrote: On Friday 10 August 2018, Blake Girardot wrote: [...] Let us find a local community that is asking for this and give it a trial there. I read this as "lets find some country with no sufficiently organized local community to resists and push this

Re: [OSM-talk] Is it technically and legally possible to add the Open Location Code to the OSM search?

On Friday 10 August 2018, Blake Girardot wrote: > [...] > > Let us find a local community that is asking for this and give it a > trial there. I read this as "lets find some country with no sufficiently organized local community to resists and push this nonsense idea of adding encoded

Re: [OSM-talk] Is it technically and legally possible to add the Open Location Code to the OSM search?

On 10.08.18 20:09, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: this only if you see it as location information, not if it is used as an address (the location where to go to, see the example of the long driveway above) Cheers, Martin ___ There could be a

Re: [OSM-talk] Is it technically and legally possible to add the Open Location Code to the OSM search?

On Fri, Aug 10, 2018 at 6:09 PM Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > > > sent from a phone > > > On 10. Aug 2018, at 19:02, Barry Hunter wrote: > > > > another issue with it being added as tags, if the node is moved to > correct its location, the editor would have to remember to update the > plus-code

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Friends! On Fri, Aug 10, 2018 at 12:32 PM, Vao Matua wrote: > There are several conflicting perspectives here. > My objective is to give addresses to people who will never have one. I want to do this too and plus codes do seem like a good solution, not perfect, but pretty darn good, especially

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sent from a phone > On 10. Aug 2018, at 19:02, Barry Hunter wrote: > > another issue with it being added as tags, if the node is moved to correct > its location, the editor would have to remember to update the plus-code tags > as well (not just the lat/long) this only if you see it as

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> It is interesting that this effort for addressing is being trashed because > it is savvy technology. > Dont see anyone has 'trashed' the idea of using Plus Codes as such. Just the bulk import of them as *data* to the core OSM database. Its redundant data. > Plus code can be calculated on

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There are several conflicting perspectives here. My objective is to give addresses to people who will never have one. Last year I was living in a city in Africa ( 6GVW2FXH+4H ) with a population of a half a million people. None of the

Re: [OSM-talk] Is it technically and legally possible to add the Open Location Code to the OSM search?

On 8/10/2018 9:01 AM, oleksiy.muzal...@bluewin.ch wrote: Probably it is done so that plus-codes are known to local actors? Perhaps, local conditions differ from European ones to the degree that it is difficult to comprehend without being part of local community? That is a perfect use case for

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A simple stopgap solution would be a program that converted one to the other where the result could be cut and pasted into another program. They are probably called apps these days. If you know the code it would give you the lat and long in a format that could be searched by Nominatim. Grabbing

Re: [OSM-talk] Is it technically and legally possible to add the Open Location Code to the OSM search?

Probably it is done so that plus-codes are known to local actors? Perhaps, local conditions differ from European ones to the degree that it is difficult to comprehend without being part of local community?In any case, I actually tried once to pass a location over telephone by telling the

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I would agree the import should be reverted. The data is redundant and there is a danger that it might not be correct. The pure lat and long data already in OSM can be used to calculate the code. It does add weight to the idea of making them searchable perhaps with a JOSM plugin and support in

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Hi, Am 2018-08-09 um 22:48 schrieb Vao Matua: > The Tanzania Development trust has calculated the Plus Code addresses for > 17 million building points in Tanzania and have added a sample village > (1800 points) as a test. > https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/59213224 > > The Python code on

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On 10.08.18 00:13, Blake Girardot HOT/OSM wrote: This is really cool to hear! I am a big fan of OLC / Pluse Codes I passed this thread on to the folks at Google Zurich who created it originally, not sure if they still work there or not, we last chatted in 2016, but I am sure they will be glad

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Think about what you have just said. If I have an internet connection available and I'm running JOSM how would I find them if Nominatim wasn't available. Cheerio John On Thu, 9 Aug 2018, 6:28 pm Yves, wrote: > If those codes can be encoded and decoded offline, it should be dealt with >

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If those codes can be encoded and decoded offline, it should be dealt with offline by the client, not a server-side application like Nominatim. Yves Le 10 août 2018 00:04:56 GMT+02:00, Vao Matua a écrit : >I use Plus Codes with OSMand offline and it works well. If we are >worried >about the

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Hi, On 08/10/2018 12:04 AM, Vao Matua wrote: > I use Plus Codes with OSMand offline and it works well. If we are > worried about the number of tags we should remove all tags and convince > everyone to just use lat/long. There's absolutely nothing to be said against OSMand using plus codes,

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I use Plus Codes with OSMand offline and it works well. If we are worried about the number of tags we should remove all tags and convince everyone to just use lat/long. The ability to verbally tell someone a location like 47RP+XG Dar-es-Salaam is much easier than -6.85748/39.28613 Suspend

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sent from a phone > On 9. Aug 2018, at 23:57, john whelan wrote: > > My feeling is adding them to Nominatim is not a perfect solution as it > implies OpenStreetMap supports them rather than something else on the other hand we are supporting proprietary, copyrighted systems like postcodes.

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sent from a phone > On 9. Aug 2018, at 23:40, Vao Matua wrote: > > Internet connectivity is not world wide. it is available everywhere, but you have to be able and willing to afford it (it might cost several orders of magnitude more than cellphone internet in europe). cheers, Martin

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So if OSMand or some such could handle them in a search off line that would be acceptable? They are generated from long and lat after all. My feeling is adding them to Nominatim is not a perfect solution as it implies OpenStreetMap supports them rather than something else but from a practical

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It is a good idea for the unconnected part of the world. If you have access to a website you might as well use three-silly-words. If you have a stand-alone app with the Plus Codes on the buildings then someone can easily communicate that information. Internet connectivity is not world wide. On

Re: [OSM-talk] Is it technically and legally possible to add the Open Location Code to the OSM search?

Hi, On 08/09/2018 10:48 PM, Vao Matua wrote: > The Tanzania Development trust has calculated the Plus Code addresses > for 17 million building points in Tanzania and have added a sample > village (1800 points) as a test. This is not a good idea. Please don't do it. It does not make sense! If

Re: [OSM-talk] Is it technically and legally possible to add the Open Location Code to the OSM search?

On Thu, Aug 9, 2018 at 4:48 PM, Vao Matua wrote: > The Tanzania Development trust has calculated the Plus Code addresses for 17 > million building points in Tanzania and have added a sample village (1800 > points) as a test. > https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/59213224 > > The Python code

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The Tanzania Development trust has calculated the Plus Code addresses for 17 million building points in Tanzania and have added a sample village (1800 points) as a test. https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/59213224 The Python code on Github works great to calculate Plus Codes. We did used

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Hi, there's already a pull request https://github.com/openstreetmap/openstreetmap-website/pull/1818 Stefano Il giorno gio 9 ago 2018 alle ore 15:45 Yuri Astrakhan < yuriastrak...@gmail.com> ha scritto: > I'm a big fan of plus codes, and even have a pending implementation of it > in the

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I'm a big fan of plus codes, and even have a pending implementation of it in the Elasticsearch (as an aggregation hashing function). I doubt there are any legal restrictions on using this - the code is licensed under Apache 2, and Google states "Plus codes are free. There are no licensing fees or

Re: [OSM-talk] Is it technically and legally possible to add the Open Location Code to the OSM search?

So you are talking about an enhancement to Nominatim I assume? There is a process to request enhancements. Cheerio John On Thu, 9 Aug 2018, 9:35 am oleksiy.muzal...@bluewin.ch, < oleksiy.muzal...@bluewin.ch> wrote: > Open Location Codes are also referred to as "plus codes". Since August >

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