Re: [OSM-talk] Vote for Google to liberate their aerial imagery - *please help*

2009-09-11 Thread John Smith
2009/9/11 Richard Fairhurst : > * Please "vote up" this suggestion for Google's Data Liberation Front: > >   http://moderator.appspot.com/#8/e=43649 That link didn't work for me, hopefully this one works for others: http://moderator.appspot.com/#11/e=43649&t=agltb2RlcmF0b3JyLwsSCERvcnlVc2VyIiF1N

Re: [OSM-talk] upload from cvs

2009-09-12 Thread John Smith
2009/9/12 Sarah Hoffmann : > I dare say that most of the ele tags in Switzerland are taken from > the hiking posts at the moment, so I'd keep the CH1903 data for > consistency. Maybe we should add a note in the wiki somewhere? Actually that would make the data inconsistent with the rest of OSM th

Re: [OSM-talk] How to map quarters?

2009-09-12 Thread John Smith
2009/9/12 Frankie Roberto : > 2009/9/11 Emilie Laffray > >> > Any ideas why we don't have "quarter" tag? >> > >> > >> Well I mentioned it before, but I really believe that for something like >> the French Quarter, it is better to use locality. > > I've always used suburb, but locality might be a g

Re: [OSM-talk] How to map quarters?

2009-09-12 Thread John Smith
2009/9/12 Emilie Laffray : > John Smith wrote: >> From the map features page: >> >> place=locality                An unpopulated, named place. >> >> I'm pretty sure what you guys are discussing involves large numbers of >> people, so please don&

Re: [OSM-talk] How to map quarters?

2009-09-12 Thread John Smith
2009/9/12 Emilie Laffray : > village, town, suburb, city are administrative areas. If I remember > correctly, you have quite a few of those suburbs in Australia, which are > actually used for addressing. Google Reverse geocoding is full of those If I'm thinking of the same thing that you are, mos

Re: [OSM-talk] upload from cvs

2009-09-12 Thread John Smith
2009/9/12 Peppo Herney : > Not all of the 133 belong to the SAC. Anyway, I will definitely check and > filter doubles. > Right now i have only the cvs. What would be the best way to convert it to an > osm file? > Sorry, I am not familiar with the best practice there. is the csv available somewhe

Re: [OSM-talk] MonopolyCityStreets On the Wiki

2009-09-12 Thread John Smith
2009/9/13 Ian Dees : > May I suggest that we create a special landing page or highly visible link It might be an idea to trap the referrer from http headers and redirect to the wiki page setup for this purpose. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.

Re: [OSM-talk] MonopolyCityStreets On the Wiki

2009-09-12 Thread John Smith
2009/9/13 Ian Dees : > While a few pages like that exist currently, it might be helpful to have one > specific to MCS. It would also give an idea how many people are coming to > OSM from MCS. Include in the biggest lettering possible not to copy from Google Maps, with the influx of people wanting

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Additional parking types for amenity=parking

2009-09-13 Thread John Smith
2009/9/13 Liz : > In Australia these places are rarely used for cars. There are plenty of them, > and in any town there will be at least one or two of these areas with "self- > storage sheds". Some people will store cars in them, but you can store > anything non-explosive there. You cannot live the

Re: [OSM-talk] MonopolyCityStreets On the Wiki

2009-09-13 Thread John Smith
2009/9/13 Mike N. : > On the other hand, since they live on their street, their primary knowledge > of street names comes from a "local survey", and at most they might use > Google maps for secondary reference.   Your point is important for those > that branch out into their neighborhood, and might

Re: [OSM-talk] How to map quarters?

2009-09-13 Thread John Smith
2009/9/13 Kev js1982 : > On a similar line how would you tag the zones in Nottingham city centre? > These are aimed at navigation (basically if you are heading for > somewhere in the victoria zone follow the red square with queen > victoria in it for a suitable car park) > These zones don't match w

Re: [OSM-talk] How to map quarters?

2009-09-13 Thread John Smith
2009/9/14 Emilie Laffray : > John Smith wrote: >> If it's a well defined area you just draw a administrative=boundary round it >> ? >> > You can't use an administrative boundary when it isn't one. boundary=area? ___

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Additional parking types for amenity=parking

2009-09-13 Thread John Smith
2009/9/14 Roy Wallace : > Or amenity=garages? IMO if it's an amenity, it should be tagged > amenity. Have a look at current documented values of landuse=* - > they're not amenities (except maybe landuse=cemetery, which I think > should be changed to amenity=cemetery). > Since they're buildings wo

Re: [OSM-talk] Google Data Liberation Front - beyond amazing

2009-09-13 Thread John Smith
I wonder how many people signed up just to vote on this issue, 720 people for it now, with only 930 people signed up ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk

Re: [OSM-talk] Google Data Liberation Front - beyond amazing

2009-09-13 Thread John Smith
2009/9/14 Eugene Alvin Villar : > Ed Parsons gave an unofficial reply: > http://www.edparsons.com/2009/09/liberating-your-my-maps-data/ > I posted this comment: "Your blog post was a little vague, does this mean that points that were pin pointed using Google maps/streetview/sat imagery as long as

Re: [OSM-talk] QR code && http://cm.ly

2009-09-14 Thread John Smith
2009/9/14 Russ Nelson : > Petschge on irc://irc.freenode.net/#osm was asking how to create a QR > code.  He wanted GPL-friendly Ruby code to be able to create QR codes > for shortlinks on the main site (thus GPL-friendly and Ruby needed at > the same time).  Since I had already gotten a QR encoder

Re: [OSM-talk] QR code && http://cm.ly

2009-09-14 Thread John Smith
2009/9/14 Patrick Petschge : > IF (and that is a big if as I'm not sure if it is worth the effort) I > implement that I'm not going to rely on some webservice. And most > certainly not a webservice by google. Call me paranoid if you want, but I > find it an incredibly bad idea to trust google with

Re: [OSM-talk] QR code && http://cm.ly

2009-09-14 Thread John Smith
2009/9/14 Steven Le Roux : > The only fact is google has a log, and a possibly new url to ask webTable to > crawl... The more information any organisation has on you the more they are able to predict what you are going to do before you do it. Information is power as they say, and it's this inbala

Re: [OSM-talk] upload from cvs

2009-09-14 Thread John Smith
2009/9/15 Ulf Lamping : > This information is what you find "on the ground". Or from your GPS ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk

[OSM-talk] Patch to render names from routes and custom highway shields on a per country basis

2009-09-15 Thread John Smith
While my patch works, I don't know if this is the best solution to the problem or not: http://trac.openstreetmap.org/attachment/ticket/1666/osm.xml-patch ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk

Re: [OSM-talk] Patch to render names from routes and custom highway shields on a per country basis

2009-09-16 Thread John Smith
2009/9/16 Lennard : > I commented on the ticket. This is a better place to discuss this than on a bug tracker: > This aussie patch is /an/ approach, but not necessarily the best. It makes > relatively expensive calls to postgis to get the Aussie boundary and compare > each route to that. While

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - last_checked

2009-09-16 Thread John Smith
2009/9/16 Konrad Skeri : > Requesting comments on a last_checked tag for specifying when the > information of an object (restaurant, bus route etc.) was last checked > to be correct. > > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/last_checked This came up before and this should probably

Re: [OSM-talk] Patch to render names from routes and custom highway shields on a per country basis

2009-09-16 Thread John Smith
2009/9/16 Lennard : > You're most welcome to do that, as in #osm-nl we have talked about > regionalised rendering as well, in the past. I've rolled one small aspect of > this out on our walking routes map, which renders different shields for The > Netherlands and Belgium. I did copy our country bou

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - last_checked

2009-09-16 Thread John Smith
2009/9/16 Konrad Skeri : > As I wrote in the talk-page: I'm not yet used to the full powers of > changesets. Suppose this is stored in the changesets, how do I get all > restaurants within a given bbox that has not been checked in the last > year? See the other thread on deep history. ___

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - last_checked

2009-09-16 Thread John Smith
2009/9/17 Peteris Krisjanis : > It could be done in changesets, but it is something that really > belongs to tag zone. Why does it? It would reduce a lot of duplication by doing it in change sets etc, it would also make it impossible for people to tamper with it also, however bots and anything el

Re: [OSM-talk] Patch to render names from routes and custom highway shields on a per country basis

2009-09-16 Thread John Smith
2009/9/17 Lennard : > If those relations get flattened into a planet_osm_line geometry, you have 2 > (or more?) for the same stretch of road. One for the shields, another for > the name. Join them up in a query, or split shields and names handling > everywhere and take what you need from the relev

Re: [OSM-talk] Evolution of a map

2009-09-17 Thread John Smith
2009/9/17 Eugene Alvin Villar : > On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 3:45 PM, Ed Loach wrote: >> >> Is this the sort of thing you want? >> http://labs.geofabrik.de/history/ > > And more generally (with the option to use Mapnik-style rendering): > http://www.geofabrik.de/gallery/history/index.html ITO! post

Re: [OSM-talk] Google Data Liberation Front - beyond amazing

2009-09-18 Thread John Smith
At the end of the day I'm still not sure what bulk downloading means apart from tagging every single road in a country and offering a kml file for it. As best as I can gather Ed seem to think anything less seems to be ok, or am I reading his responses wrong? http://www.edparsons.com/2009/09/liber

[OSM-talk] Yahoo Sat Imagery

2009-09-18 Thread John Smith
Does anyone know a contact to talk with at yahoo about their sat imagery? I know commercial sat imagery goes for about $14/sq km, but that probably isn't the cost of enabling online mapping sites with sat imagery so I'm just wondering if Yahoo would be interested in a 50/50 cost split to purchase

Re: [OSM-talk] Should Bridges be independent of their ways?

2009-09-19 Thread John Smith
2009/9/19 Martin Koppenhoefer : > I would recommend a relation to unify "several bridges" in one (which > gets also the name). Not really more simple to map, but resulting more > accurate and probably could also render nicer. That seems like such a nasty way to do it, this is why I've suggested a

Re: [OSM-talk] Should Bridges be independent of their ways?

2009-09-19 Thread John Smith
2009/9/19 Martin Koppenhoefer : > don't get you. Isn't "mapping lanes" just the same like what I > suggested? I'm in favour of mapping all lanes and ways as well, but > you DO need relations to combine them into streets (indicating kind of > separation and / or possibility to change lanes). I was i

Re: [OSM-talk] Should Bridges be independent of their ways?

2009-09-19 Thread John Smith
2009/9/19 Martin Koppenhoefer : > what do you mean? We are already doing this: lanes=3 That only says how many lanes, it doesn't describe restrictions or properties of individual lanes. > In simple cases you don't need it, and when it get's complex, IMHO > explicit mapping is the only transparen

[OSM-talk] Free BlackBerry/Android POI mapping application

2009-09-19 Thread John Smith
At work we've released for beta testing a POI mapping app for both BlackBerry and Android, with future plans for iPhone, Windows Mobile and Symbian. Already it's receiving favourable reviews from non-OSM mappers. http://www.blackberryinsight.com/2009/09/19/bigtincan-mapper-acts-as-the-best-gps-in

Re: [OSM-talk] Should Bridges be independent of their ways?

2009-09-19 Thread John Smith
2009/9/20 Mike Harris : > Claudius - I think you may have answered the question I just asked - thanks > - I must admit that I hadn't seen this proposal before. Once again, > relations prove powerful! Yes except they get abused when we should be looking towards micromapping techniques, not hacks to

Re: [OSM-talk] Should Bridges be independent of their ways?

2009-09-19 Thread John Smith
2009/9/20 Martin Koppenhoefer : > yes, but that's not the problem: straight parallel ways. The problem > arises when they change (become one more or less), on intersections, > etc. Try to imagine a situation like the one I posted above in a > geometrically reduced system: it will get way too confu

Re: [OSM-talk] Should Bridges be independent of their ways?

2009-09-19 Thread John Smith
2009/9/20 Anthony : > This can be done without resorting to mapping each lane separately.  If you > have a three lane road with no lane change restrictions or physical > barriers, you map it as one way, with three lanes, with the position as the > center of the three lanes.  When the road goes to t

Re: [OSM-talk] Patch to render names from routes and custom highway shields on a per country basis

2009-09-19 Thread John Smith
2009/9/20 Martijn van Oosterhout : > I suppose it would be possible to get osm2pgsql to assign columns > based on country locations, if the relevant polygons were available in > another table. Handling diffs is not the problem, osm2pgsql knows > exactly which things have changed and can do the rel

Re: [OSM-talk] Patch to render names from routes and custom highway shields on a per country basis

2009-09-19 Thread John Smith
2009/9/20 Lennard : > Not just countries, but also states (different shields per state, for > instance). Granted: same thing really. This is one reason to do these sorts of routes as relations instead of trying to cram lots of information into the way, you then should avoid overlapping shields if

Re: [OSM-talk] Should Bridges be independent of their ways?

2009-09-19 Thread John Smith
2009/9/20 Anthony : > That's an editor issue.  If the editor wants to display lanes in a single > way as parallel ways, and let you edit them if need be, it can do that. It's also a DB/framework issue, I don't think relations should be abused for this purpose, instead the DB needs to be extended

Re: [OSM-talk] Patch to render names from routes and custom highway shields on a per country basis

2009-09-20 Thread John Smith
2009/9/20 Lennard : > Relations hold a certain advantage in this case, but we have to consider the > non-relation variants as well. They end up in the DB more or less identical, it just means 2 queries or a join etc instead of a simpler query. > Indeed, but I'm thinking ahead here, to a situation

Re: [OSM-talk] Patch to render names from routes and custom highway shields on a per country basis

2009-09-20 Thread John Smith
2009/9/20 Lennard : > John Smith wrote: > >> They end up in the DB more or less identical, it just means 2 queries >> or a join etc instead of a simpler query. > > Now you're just thinking of a single renderer and its way of processing the > data. Did you take osma

Re: [OSM-talk] Should Bridges be independent of their ways?

2009-09-20 Thread John Smith
2009/9/20 Anthony : > In most cases I don't think a relation is the only solution either.  I don't > see it as an abuse, though.  It is clearly being used to show a relation Lanes aren't physically seperated so they shouldn't be split nor need a relation to show they are physically joined, I call

Re: [OSM-talk] Should Bridges be independent of their ways?

2009-09-20 Thread John Smith
2009/9/20 Anthony : > Yes they are.  If they weren't physically separated, people would be driving > on top of each other.  If they weren't physically separated, they wouldn't > be called multiple lanes - they'd be called one lane. Pretty sure I left an "if" out, if the lanes are on top of the sa

Re: [OSM-talk] Should Bridges be independent of their ways?

2009-09-20 Thread John Smith
2009/9/21 Anthony : > So this is a single way? > http://bikelaneblog.files.wordpress.com/2008/02/pulaski-bridge-walkway.jpg?w=324&h=241 > > That's nutty. And abusing relations to do the same thing isn't? > As long as you are free to change lanes, I disagree.  The maxheight of a way > is the maxi

Re: [OSM-talk] Should Bridges be independent of their ways?

2009-09-20 Thread John Smith
2009/9/21 Anthony : > Irrelevant.  I never said you had to use relations.  In fact, I said you > don't. Others have suggested otherwise, to "group" ways that are on the same physical bridge. > I wouldn't call the use of relations "nutty", though. I was referring to a specific use case. > Fine.

Re: [OSM-talk] Should Bridges be independent of their ways?

2009-09-20 Thread John Smith
2009/9/21 Anthony : > I'd love for you to be able to do it.  Come up with a way to do it that > doesn't require rewriting all the editors, all the routing software, and > combining multiple ways into single ways, and we can both be happy. So you are telling me that the editors, the OSM protocol a

Re: [OSM-talk] Should Bridges be independent of their ways?

2009-09-20 Thread John Smith
2009/9/21 Anthony : > I'm going to focus on the 8 traffic lanes.  The rest should be separate > ways, if they are separate lanes (whether the 2 railway lines are 2 ways or > 1 I really don't know or care), and if we care to bother mapping them > correctly.  Currently, I'd represent the traffic lane

Re: [OSM-talk] Should Bridges be independent of their ways?

2009-09-20 Thread John Smith
2009/9/21 Anthony : > You clearly define "way" differently than I do, and differently than the > current definition.  The bridge most certainly has multiple ways in OSM > today. However that doesn't reflect reality and we should just accept "that's just the way it is" because that's how things wor

Re: [OSM-talk] Should Bridges be independent of their ways?

2009-09-20 Thread John Smith
2009/9/21 Anthony : > True.  But it is the best way to do it. Says who? > But there are multiple ways in reality.  A "way" is a path of travel, not a > piece of asphalt. Why is it? ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetm

Re: [OSM-talk] Should Bridges be independent of their ways?

2009-09-20 Thread John Smith
2009/9/21 Anthony : > But there are multiple ways in reality.  A "way" is a path of travel, not a > piece of asphalt. If that's the case why are most "ways" a lane in each direction? Surely if what you are saying is true we should plot each direction as an individual way. __

Re: [OSM-talk] Should Bridges be independent of their ways?

2009-09-20 Thread John Smith
2009/9/21 Anthony : > On Sun, Sep 20, 2009 at 1:20 PM, John Smith > wrote: >> >> 2009/9/21 Anthony : >> >> > True.  But it is the best way to do it. >> >> Says who? > > Says the person who made the statement. That doesn't justify anythin

Re: [OSM-talk] Should Bridges be independent of their ways?

2009-09-20 Thread John Smith
2009/9/21 Anthony : > Not if you are free to cross the center line, for instance to make a left > turn across oncoming traffic to turn into a driveway. I didn't know you can u-turn on most trunk roads legally so why aren't we showing those as 2 seperate ways? > My justification was in the fifty m

Re: [OSM-talk] Should Bridges be independent of their ways?

2009-09-20 Thread John Smith
2009/9/21 Anthony : > Using 2 separate ways implies that you can't U-turn, except in places where > the two ways are connected. Then why aren't we using multiple ways to indicate this for all teritary, secondary, primary, trunk etc? > Are you suggesting that we should never express our opinions

Re: [OSM-talk] Should Bridges be independent of their ways?

2009-09-20 Thread John Smith
2009/9/21 Anthony : > I reread the question and realize I didn't answer it.  U-turn laws vary > greatly by jurisdiction.  Here in Florida you are allowed to U-turn on any > road which isn't separated by a barrier or painted median, unless it is > unsafe to do so or doing so obstructs other traffic.

Re: [OSM-talk] County-Boundary in Mapnik same as primary highway

2009-09-20 Thread John Smith
2009/9/21 Peter Herison : > Hi > > Is this correct that "boundary=administrative;border_type=county" is > rendert the same way as "highway=primary"? > > http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=47.628756&lon=-108.687472&zoom=18&layers=B000FTT Usually country borders are indicated by admin_level=2 http:/

Re: [OSM-talk] Should Bridges be independent of their ways?

2009-09-20 Thread John Smith
2009/9/21 Anthony : > Mapping ways should follow the legal paths of travel, not the existence or > non-existence of concrete.  If concrete is the only form of legal barrier, > then fine, concrete can determine how we map.  But if a painted median is Where do you draw the line over painted median s

Re: [OSM-talk] Should Bridges be independent of their ways?

2009-09-20 Thread John Smith
2009/9/21 Anthony : > If you're allowed to cross it, for instance to make a turn, it should be > represented as one way.  If you aren't, it shouldn't.  In Florida and I As I point out below, you can't turn depending on the centre line not being solid. Should we create multiple ways for intermitten

Re: [OSM-talk] Patch to render names from routes and custom highway shields on a per country basis

2009-09-20 Thread John Smith
2009/9/21 Richard Weait : > In earlier discussions with Paul (cc:'d) we talked about using the > network key to distinguish road networks that use shields[1].  We had > agreed on using a ":" separator like "US:I" but I'm arguing against > that now.  First we are not separating equal items, we're ad

Re: [OSM-talk] Should Bridges be independent of their ways?

2009-09-20 Thread John Smith
2009/9/21 Anthony : > Okay, I looked up the law.  A double white continuous line is equivalent to > our double double yellow line.  You may not pass across it, and you may not > enter or leave the road across it (such as at a driveway).  So I would > represent that as a dual carriageway, at least

Re: [OSM-talk] Should Bridges be independent of their ways?

2009-09-20 Thread John Smith
2009/9/21 Anthony : > If it doesn't affect any routing information, then we shouldn't, because > it's a waste of time, but I don't mind if you do. It is a waste of time, I'm just trying to show that ways are treated differently depending on the type of way, which doesn't reflect reality and we sh

Re: [OSM-talk] Patch to render names from routes and custom highway shields on a per country basis

2009-09-20 Thread John Smith
2009/9/21 Richard Weait : > They will tag it.  Absolutely they will tag it.  When Mapnik support > for local shields is adopted on osm.org and announced on talk-US it > will take less than 7 days for the US Interstate system to have shiny > new shields from coast to coast.  I'll send you a bottle

Re: [OSM-talk] Patch to render names from routes and custom highway shields on a per country basis

2009-09-20 Thread John Smith
2009/9/21 Richard Weait : > "S" and "I" are so lacking context as to approach line-noise. > "us_ny_ny_co" even hints at the right answer, without reading the > docs. On second thoughts, drop the network tag and just tag a file name: shield_file_name=us_ny_ny_co__interstate_shield.png This way y

Re: [OSM-talk] Patch to render names from routes and custom highway shields on a per country basis

2009-09-20 Thread John Smith
2009/9/21 Apollinaris Schoell : > you shouldn't use well established tags in the wrong way. us_ny_ny_co is not > a  network name. the network is I, US, The US but is redundant, we just need to know what shield type, not where it is located since there is a country polygon that already points

Re: [OSM-talk] Patch to render names from routes and custom highway shields on a per country basis

2009-09-20 Thread John Smith
2009/9/21 Apollinaris Schoell : > US is meant for US highway http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/US_Highways > They uses signs with US printed on it. So the symbol needs the same > which is different from US interstates where only a capital I is printed on > the shield Sorry I thought you meant using US

Re: [OSM-talk] Patch to render names from routes and custom highway shields on a per country basis

2009-09-20 Thread John Smith
2009/9/21 Russ Nelson : > John Smith writes: >  > verifiable, if I go to ny county, ny, us I won't know the difference >  > to the adjcent county etc, we're not supposed to embed symbol >  > information for the renderer and this is exactly what you are >  >

Re: [OSM-talk] Patch to render names from routes and custom highway shields on a per country basis

2009-09-21 Thread John Smith
2009/9/21 Liz : > On Mon, 21 Sep 2009, Apollinaris Schoell wrote: >> US is meant for US highway http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/US_Highways >> They uses signs with US printed on it. So the symbol needs the same >> which is different from US interstates where only a capital I is >> printed on the shiel

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - last_checked

2009-09-21 Thread John Smith
2009/9/21 Rory McCann : > On 16/09/09 13:09, John Smith wrote: >> This came up before and this should probably be stored in the >> changeset meta information, not directly against elements within the >> changeset. > > Surely changesets should only be created when som

Re: [OSM-talk] Should Bridges be independent of their ways?

2009-09-21 Thread John Smith
2009/9/21 Richard Mann : > If we were just gathering data for routers, we would map every lane as a > separate way, with relations for moving between each pair of adjacent lanes. > If we were just gathering data for rendering a single-scale street map, we'd > add tags to a single way, and probably

Re: [OSM-talk] alt_name tag

2009-09-21 Thread John Smith
2009/9/21 Liz : > So the street or place might be known locally by an old communist-era name > (say Tito Street) but have been officially renamed after some other > international dignitary (say Mother Teresa). So while I might say "you'll find > me in Tito Street", when I'd put my address on an en

Re: [OSM-talk] alt_name tag

2009-09-21 Thread John Smith
2009/9/21 Elizabeth Dodd : > and two others I can't reproduce as I haven't got any non-Roman script on my > computer > making 9 names / spellings of the name Sounds like a fun thing to try and tag, most apps would only expect name=* some would also deal with name:en=* etc I have no idea how to ta

Re: [OSM-talk] Patch to render names from routes and custom highway shields on a per country basis

2009-09-21 Thread John Smith
2009/9/22 Richard Weait : > US Routes.  (the "US" is invisible on modern signs, but often spoken > as "Take US-23 south to Marion Ohio" or "Take Hugh-Ass > Twanny-thray sah-owth tah Marion Ohio.") > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._Route_shield Only half of Ohio is hicks and from what I'm tol

Re: [OSM-talk] Patch to render names from routes and custom highway shields on a per country basis

2009-09-21 Thread John Smith
2009/9/22 Matt Williams : > Indeed. I remember this discussion coming up a year or two ago when > talking about the colouring of roads in the default Mapnik renderer. > Some people wanted each country's roads to be rendered in the style > (colouring etc.) that the locals in that country typically d

Re: [OSM-talk] Patch to render names from routes and custom highway shields on a per country basis

2009-09-21 Thread John Smith
2009/9/22 Alex Mauer : > On 09/21/2009 10:31 AM, John Smith wrote: >> If we want to encourage others to be involved those others expect maps >> to look a certain way, and if we can do it why shouldn't we to >> encourage more people to participate, a world wide bland ma

Re: [OSM-talk] Should Bridges be independent of their ways?

2009-09-21 Thread John Smith
2009/9/22 Martin Koppenhoefer : > - is probably more work to map every lane I disagree, you declare how many lanes and unless you need to tag lanes independent of the way everything for the most part would be the same as it is now. ___ talk mailing lis

Re: [OSM-talk] intent to vandalize

2009-09-22 Thread John Smith
2009/9/23 maning sambale : > http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Fake%20Liam123/diary/8007#comments That account hasn't made any edits... ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk

Re: [OSM-talk] feasibility - different use of openstreetmap

2009-09-23 Thread John Smith
2009/9/23 Peter Körner : >> Question: >> Would it be possible/feasible to setup a map server like openstreetmap >> that shows all the street/roads along with my aerial photography and >> field outlines, and then make a search for the field by customer, by >> legal description or by field name? > >

Re: [OSM-talk] Satellite for OSM

2009-09-23 Thread John Smith
2009/9/23 paul youlten : > Just noticed this on the front page of Wikipedia: > > "Did you know... > > ...that in 2009 two MIT students made a vehicle to take pictures of > the Earth from 93,000 feet (28,000 m) for US$148?" > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Icarus Yes but almost none of the

Re: [OSM-talk] Satellite for OSM

2009-09-23 Thread John Smith
2009/9/23 paul youlten : > ... because you'd only sending it up to 3,500m (rather than 30,000m) > you wouldn't need to worry so much about low temperatures freezing the > batteries. At that altitude you wouldn't have to worry about the balloon bursting at that altitude either. The bigger issue wo

Re: [OSM-talk] Satellite for OSM

2009-09-23 Thread John Smith
2009/9/23 paul youlten : >> RC blimp might also be more practical since you could steer it etc. > > Do modern RC controls have that sort of range? 3.5km seems a lot... an > alternative would be to control it with GPS and some sort of > electronic flight plan/autopilot. Do you need to go above 1km?

Re: [OSM-talk] Satellite for OSM

2009-09-23 Thread John Smith
2009/9/23 Frederik Ramm : > I always thought that aviation regulations require the pilot - whether on > board or on the ground - to monitor the airspace around the aircraft and > take evasive action where necessary. It would be hard to do that on the > ground for an aircraft that far up. But maybe

Re: [OSM-talk] Satellite for OSM

2009-09-23 Thread John Smith
2009/9/23 paul youlten : >>The other question to be asked is the time, effort and money put into >>this be less than archived sat imagery which is about $14 per sq km. > > Yeah...but it would be fun to try! > > ... and while $14/sq Km doesn't sound a lot it would still cost $5376 > (£4900) just to

[OSM-talk] Potlatch doing source=GPS in error?

2009-09-24 Thread John Smith
As best as we can tell the wiki only covers source=survey which is on the map features page so why does potlatch use source=GPS? ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk

Re: [OSM-talk] Potlatch doing source=GPS in error?

2009-09-24 Thread John Smith
2009/9/24 Ed Loach : > We? The talk-au list > Anyway, you all seem to have missed source=User Defined on map It also says on the map features page: You can use any tags you like as long as the values are verifiable. However, there is a benefit in agreeing to a recommended set of features and co

Re: [OSM-talk] Potlatch doing source=GPS in error?

2009-09-24 Thread John Smith
2009/9/24 Shaun McDonald : > It does not matter if it is documented. When you read source=GPS you can be > pretty sure that you understand what it means. In this case survey and gps are synomonous, also I can't verify a GPS was in fact used if people move the way due to aerial imagery etc so it ma

Re: [OSM-talk] Potlatch doing source=GPS in error?

2009-09-24 Thread John Smith
2009/9/24 Someoneelse : > I think that it's easy to get too prescriptive... I'm not suggesting anyone do any of that, I'm pointing out how silly it is to say gps is more precise than saying survey. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://li

Re: [OSM-talk] Potlatch doing source=GPS in error?

2009-09-24 Thread John Smith
2009/9/24 Shaun McDonald : > The source tag has been in use for the past 3+ years and no one has made > such a fuss over it as you. You missed all the fun and excitment on the talk-au list today. > The hdop and pdop will vary widely across the track, thus it would be > useless adding it. Also wha

Re: [OSM-talk] Potlatch doing source=GPS in error?

2009-09-24 Thread John Smith
2009/9/24 Shaun McDonald : > A survey could mean a walking papers style survey without a gps. Wouldn't that be an observation, a survey is physically surveying something... ? ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/l

Re: [OSM-talk] Potlatch doing source=GPS in error?

2009-09-24 Thread John Smith
2009/9/24 Jonas Häggqvist : > John Smith wrote: >> 2009/9/24 Someoneelse : >> >>> I think that it's easy to get too prescriptive... >> >> I'm not suggesting anyone do any of that, I'm pointing out how silly >> it is to say gps is more pre

Re: [OSM-talk] Potlatch doing source=GPS in error?

2009-09-24 Thread John Smith
2009/9/24 Dave F. : > What is a survey but observing your surroundings? (And recording them, which > is what a walking paper entails). Lets face it, most surveyed paths are made by consumer grade GPS receivers, and street names surveyed are by observation, so source=survey covers the majority of s

Re: [OSM-talk] Satellite for OSM

2009-09-24 Thread John Smith
I wonder what one of these retail for: http://www.snotr.com/video/619 Apparently can autonomously hover at 20,000ft for 3 weeks with a 1 ton payload of surveliance equipment http://tech.slashdot.org/story/09/09/24/0521225/250-Foot-Hybrid-Airship-To-Spy-Over-Afghanistan _

Re: [OSM-talk] Potlatch doing source=GPS in error?

2009-09-24 Thread John Smith
2009/9/25 Apollinaris Schoell : > you might be shocked. I rarely add this info. many edits are a mix of gps, > yahoo tracing, best guess, averaging and interpolation  with other existing > data, topo maps if free version available, free shape files. > why would I add all this info? just a lot of wo

Re: [OSM-talk] Potlatch doing source=GPS in error?

2009-09-24 Thread John Smith
2009/9/25 Pieren : > On Thu, Sep 24, 2009 at 10:57 PM, Liz wrote: >> It is really important for us aussie mappers to know whether a road has been >> genuiinely surveyed - that is someone went there >> as opposed to traced from Landsat images. > > Then ask people to use highway=road if they don't s

Re: [OSM-talk] Breach of Copyright?

2009-09-25 Thread John Smith
2009/9/25 Dave F. : > Is this a breach of copyright? I've already been in a similar discussion about using google maps to plan routes, some suggest this is breach of copyright, but then anyone using a map for any reason would be in breach of copyright so I doubt this is true, copying from a map d

Re: [OSM-talk] Satellite for OSM

2009-09-25 Thread John Smith
2009/9/24 Mikel Maron : > Note OSM can qualify for non-profit pricing on imagery, which can take the > cost down to $12/km2. This is what we arranged for the Gaza imagery. How was the imagery hosted, and what software was used to generate vector data from this? __

Re: [OSM-talk] Satellite for OSM

2009-09-26 Thread John Smith
2009/9/26 Morten Kjeldgaard : > If it were possible to produce a cheap and light-weight little box > with a gyro-stabilized gimbal containing a camera and a GPS logger, we You don't need gyro stabilised if you have a fast shutter. People are using all sorts of things to do aerial photography, hel

[OSM-talk] Bot removing attribution tags

2009-09-27 Thread John Smith
This bot: http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/BugBuster Is removing all sorts of tags from ways, including attribution tags, can it please be blocked immediately to prevent further damage. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstr

Re: [OSM-talk] Bot removing attribution tags

2009-09-27 Thread John Smith
2009/9/27 Pieren : > Maybe he plans another extra run later. If you want to contact him to > know more about his work, do it. I emailed him when I emailed the list, but no reply yet. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetm

Re: [OSM-talk] Bot removing attribution tags

2009-09-27 Thread John Smith
2009/9/28 Dave F. : > What are the tags that it/he is wrong to remove? ABS imported data was stripped from ways and moved to a relation which is incorrect, I fixed a couple manually but I don't know how many more times this has happened. ___ talk mailin

Re: [OSM-talk] Bot removing attribution tags

2009-09-27 Thread John Smith
2009/9/28 Dave F. : > Excuse my ignorance, what's ABS? Australian Bureau of Statistics, they've donated a large data set of postcode/suburb and other administrative boundaries. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org

Re: [OSM-talk] Bot removing attribution tags

2009-09-27 Thread John Smith
2009/9/28 Matthias Versen : > Please post an example changeset where this bot did something wrong. I've already fixed the mistakes I've found so far, but I don't know how many other mistakes there are. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http:/

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