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2016-08-26 12:20 GMT+02:00 Dave F : > All tags can get filled with useless data. > > Good use of tag: > http://www.openstreetmap.org/node/107775 > btw, there seem to be some less useful tags also on this node, at least there's a slight redundancy and these could

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Hi What's new about this tag? All tags can get filled with useless data. Good use of tag: http://www.openstreetmap.org/node/107775 Dave F. On 21/08/2016 20:15, Michał Brzozowski wrote: Recently, multilingual name support was rolled out. Still, seems that the new name: tags get abused, or

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Recently, multilingual name support was rolled out. Still, seems that the new name: tags get abused, or rather filled with useless data. Eg. http://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/41589376 Michał ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org

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On Thu, Aug 18, 2016 at 3:01 PM, John F. Eldredge wrote: > I know I am replying to a two-month-old message, but the idea of > restrictions on entering postal codes is baffling. At least in the USA, > the Post Office encourages the use of postal codes (called Zip codes) on >

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There's a history of the events involving the lawsuit Canada Post filed against geocoder.ca, which may provide some perspective on this issue [1]. The most recent entry, in May of this year indicates the four year legal battle has been settled. [1]http://geocoder.ca/?sued=1 > On Aug 18, 2016,

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Unfortunately there is a lot of GIS work done with postcodes. Where is the best place to put a new coffee shop? Which areas have the most break-ins? Etc. Thus being able to sell postcodes has become a source of income for post offices and since it cost them money to create them they'd like to

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On 18/08/16 21:01, John F. Eldredge wrote: I know I am replying to a two-month-old message, but the idea of restrictions on entering postal codes is baffling. At least in the USA, the Post Office encourages the use of postal codes (called Zip codes) on mail, to expedite the delivery of mail,

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John, On 08/18/2016 10:01 PM, John F. Eldredge wrote: > I know I am replying to a two-month-old message, but the idea of > restrictions on entering postal codes is baffling. At least in the USA, > the Post Office encourages the use of postal codes (called Zip codes) on > mail, Most people would

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You should try giving those arguments to the organizations that are stopping us from using the data, not to us :) -- Nicolás 2016-08-18 17:01 GMT-03:00 John F. Eldredge : > I know I am replying to a two-month-old message, but the idea of > restrictions on entering postal

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I know I am replying to a two-month-old message, but the idea of restrictions on entering postal codes is baffling. At least in the USA, the Post Office encourages the use of postal codes (called Zip codes) on mail, to expedite the delivery of mail, and used to publish large reference books

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On Fri, Jun 24, 2016 at 9:45 PM, Andy Townsend wrote: > On 24/06/2016 14:40, Eugene Alvin Villar wrote: > > > This defect has already been reported to their GitHub repository: > https://github.com/mapsme/omim/issues/2902 > > > You've seen

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On 24/06/2016 14:40, Eugene Alvin Villar wrote: This defect has already been reported to their GitHub repository: https://github.com/mapsme/omim/issues/2902 You've seen https://github.com/mapsme/omim/issues/3623 though? ("This bugtracker is not actively monitored, b...@maps.me could be used

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On Wed, Jun 22, 2016 at 11:57 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer < dieterdre...@gmail.com> wrote: > while at it, whitespace at the beginning and end of the tag values should > be removed before upload... > > https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/39910220 > This defect has already been reported to their

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On 22/06/2016 16:23, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: 2016-06-22 17:07 GMT+02:00 Martin Koppenhoefer >: yet another issue and another type of issue: ... I suspect that this mailing list isn't the best way of logging bugs with

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while at it, whitespace at the beginning and end of the tag values should be removed before upload... https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/39910220 Cheers, Martin ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org

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2016-06-22 17:07 GMT+02:00 Martin Koppenhoefer : > yet another issue and another type of issue: a place has 2 names: "I Briganti" (in name) and "Frattelli Briganti" (in alt_name) maps.me editor has changed the name to the same as alt_name

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On Wed, Jun 22, 2016 at 8:52 AM, Andy Townsend wrote: > On 21/06/2016 10:12, joost schouppe wrote: > > Some ideas: > > - maps.me should probably stick to simple-to-map objects when it adds > data. Complicated stuff should go in a note. > > > - if the maps.me data is old, any

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yet another issue: it seems maps.me is setting the tag: "cuisine=italian_pizza;italian"? Is this a standard tag? First time I see it: https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/2136164336/history (version3) At the moment there are only 23 instances: http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/cuisine#values

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2016-06-22 15:52 GMT+02:00 Andy Townsend : > The scope for growth of our community with Maps.me is phenomenal. Of > course there is room for improvement. But it's never going to be easy to > lower the barriers to participation without losing quality. > > > I don't think that

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On 21/06/2016 10:12, joost schouppe wrote: The scope for growth of our community with Maps.me is phenomenal. Of course there is room for improvement. But it's never going to be easy to lower the barriers to participation without losing quality. I don't think that it's an explicitly MAPS.ME

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Yes, Johan, there was some Maps.me involvement in this thread already. Ilya Zverev works with them. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk

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My concern is based on the fact that post codes are deemed "important" enough to be among maps.me's presets (they only allow presets and no free tagging if I'm not mistaken) and post codes are something that's easy to look up in sources we can't use but new users oblivious to what their

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2016-06-21 10:28 GMT-03:00 Martin Koppenhoefer : > > 2016-06-21 14:18 GMT+02:00 Andrew Harvey : >> >> I assume I need to manually download these and put them in the right >> directory on my Android? > > > > on iOS you'll have to compile and

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Is MAPS.ME involved in this discussion? Without them interacting with the community it will be of no use to have further discussion. Cheers, Johan Op 21 jun. 2016 16:05 schreef "Oleksiy Muzalyev" < oleksiy.muzal...@bluewin.ch>: > On 21.06.2016 15:36, Oleksiy Muzalyev wrote: > >> >> I wrote a

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On 21.06.2016 15:36, Oleksiy Muzalyev wrote: I wrote a program http://ausleuchtung.ch/geo_wiki/ which allows to find location of all Wikipedia articles either by coordinates in the articles themselves, or by the OpenStreetMap tags (wikipedia, wikimedia_commons, wikidata) in the radius of ten

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On 21.06.2016 15:18, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: 2016-06-21 14:40 GMT+02:00 Andy Mabbett >: On 20 Jun 2016 5:31 pm, "Martin Koppenhoefer" > wrote: > I have just

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2016-06-21 15:18 GMT+02:00 Martin Koppenhoefer : > this bot would have to check whether the linked full url in the website is > already covered by the wikipedia interlanguage links or not. sorry, left out the rest: in case it isn't covered you'll have to check whether

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2016-06-21 14:18 GMT+02:00 Andrew Harvey : > I assume I need to manually download these and put them in the right > directory on my Android? > on iOS you'll have to compile and codesign the app yourself, something that's far from trivial in this case, because the

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2016-06-21 14:40 GMT+02:00 Andy Mabbett : > On 20 Jun 2016 5:31 pm, "Martin Koppenhoefer" > wrote: > > > I have just discovered another type of problem: > > > people adding full wikipedia urls into the website tag. In all cases > there was

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On 20 Jun 2016 5:31 pm, "Martin Koppenhoefer" wrote: > I have just discovered another type of problem: > people adding full wikipedia urls into the website tag. In all cases there was already a wikipedia tag present. This is precisely the sort of thing a bot could clean

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On 21 June 2016 at 08:26, Nicolás Alvarez wrote: > But you don't need to; Maps.me already provides semi-official current map > files! > http://direct.mapswithme.com/regular/daily/ I assume I need to manually download these and put them in the right directory on my

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> > Joost, we don't have such entry barriers until now, it would be better to > avoid them in improving the editor. > Yves > What I meant to say is that there are currently barriers to participation: the level of commitment required to learn iD or JOSM. maps.me lowers that barrier, and here we

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Hi, On 06/21/2016 11:07 AM, Richard Fairhurst wrote: > Perish the thought that people might add their local knowledge to OSM. I > thought it was all imports, armchairing and tagwanking these days. Only Canadians are allowed to enter their own post codes. The other countries haven't had their

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2016-06-21 11:47 GMT+02:00 Yves : > Joost, we don't have such entry barriers until now, it would be better to > avoid them in improving the editor. yes, it would be better to avoid entry barriers, but until the editor is improved it could be a solution to add these edits as

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Joost, we don't have such entry barriers until now, it would be better to avoid them in improving the editor. Yves Le 21 juin 2016 11:12:32 GMT+02:00, joost schouppe a écrit : >> OsmAnd has had online/offline simple editing feature for years and >> still there

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sent from a phone > Il giorno 21 giu 2016, alle ore 11:12, joost schouppe > ha scritto: > > Some ideas: > > - maps.me should probably stick to simple-to-map objects when it adds data. > Complicated stuff should go in a note. and there should go some more

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> OsmAnd has had online/offline simple editing feature for years and > still there were no problems with that. Therefore my guess would be > that mapsme does not make it clear to users that they are actually > editing the global/common database, not their local "favourites". > > Maybe because

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Andreas Vilén wrote: > Post codes are also a little dubious, since those aren't open > data in Sweden and can normally only be figured out through > local knowledge Perish the thought that people might add their local knowledge to OSM. I thought it was all imports, armchairing and tagwanking

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OsmAnd has had online/offline simple editing feature for years and still there were no problems with that. Therefore my guess would be that mapsme does not make it clear to users that they are actually editing the global/common database, not their local "favourites". -- Tomas

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sent from a phone > Il giorno 20 giu 2016, alle ore 23:49, Andrew Harvey > ha scritto: > > I've been editing in JOSM for years and just started editing with > Maps.me, and the fact that it's very fast and easy to make the edit is > the main reason I have. If I walk

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Le 21 juin 2016 09:46:20 GMT+02:00, Frederik Ramm a écrit : > >It sounds like all that's missing is for the application to refuse >edits >to a map that is too old (or at the very least allow that under >protest)? > ... Or a validation at change upload time. Yves

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Hi, On 06/21/2016 08:44 AM, Simon Poole wrote: > The problem is not with people that know what the conceptual trade-offs > are and if they so want could generate a more current map. Well Nicolás said that maps.me do already produce daily maps. Daily updates of course would still lead to more

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Thank you for the information. Frankly I heard about Vespucci, but I was not sure what this app does. Now I will definitively give Vespucci a try. It is much better to have two or more excellent mobile maps and editors than none. Best regards, Oleksiy On 21.06.2016 8:20, Simon Poole wrote:

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The problem is not with people that know what the conceptual trade-offs are and if they so want could generate a more current map. That know that they might be duplicating existing data and that will not be upset when it promptly gets zapped. Try softening the experience for a well meaning newbie

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Am 20.06.2016 um 23:49 schrieb Andrew Harvey: > On 20 June 2016 at 22:48, Oleksiy Muzalyev > wrote: >> Maps.me editor has got the principal difference from other editors, - it can >> be used without an active Internet connection. > I've been editing in JOSM for

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I'm using Go Map for quick editing on the go. It's only available for IOS though: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Go_Map!! It's pretty much as powerful as iD (at least to my knowledge, I never use iD for anything more complicated than adding poi's or changing tag values) and pretty easy to

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2016-06-20 19:14 GMT-03:00 Frederik Ramm : > Hi, > > On 06/20/2016 11:49 PM, Andrew Harvey wrote: >> The down side of course is that the Maps.me data isn't updated very >> frequently so I might be duplicating data which has been added after >> Maps.me last generated the data

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Hi, On 06/20/2016 11:49 PM, Andrew Harvey wrote: > The down side of course is that the Maps.me data isn't updated very > frequently so I might be duplicating data which has been added after > Maps.me last generated the data extracts, Isn't Maps.me Open Source - could not someone else simply

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I've been using Maps.me myself and find it easy to add shops - although I'm missing many presets (I change them when I come home to the right one but other users will not do that generally). Maps.me was perfect for one activity that is usually painful - updating shops inside Iceland's largest

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On 20 June 2016 at 22:48, Oleksiy Muzalyev wrote: > Maps.me editor has got the principal difference from other editors, - it can > be used without an active Internet connection. I've been editing in JOSM for years and just started editing with Maps.me, and the fact

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Look at this edit:http://www.openstreetmap.org/node/4253750089/history Is it not possible to use "special" characters lika åäö in the Maps.me app? Also, why is it suggesting adding opening hours to a school? Post codes are also a little dubious, since those aren't open data in Sweden and can

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2016-06-20 17:48 GMT+02:00 Martin Koppenhoefer : > another issue: housenumber added to a building. This is not going to work > in Italy, because every entrance of a building gets it's own housenumber. > https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/242789192 > maybe there is more to

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another issue: housenumber added to a building. This is not going to work in Italy, because every entrance of a building gets it's own housenumber. https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/242789192 Cheers, Martin ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org

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2016-06-20 15:03 GMT+02:00 Philip Barnes : > I guess an example of what I am seeing as a poor quality edit, > http://osm.org/changeset/40156579 > > An embassy called Rachel? > Mistagging of a Monument? > well, this seems to be more the kind of "test" some newbies think

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I guess an example of what I am seeing as a poor quality edit, http://osm.org/changeset/40156579 An embassy called Rachel? Mistagging of a Monument? Phil (trigpoint) Phil On Mon Jun 20 12:52:13 2016 GMT+0100, Philip Barnes wrote: > On Mon, 2016-06-20 at 11:26 +0200, Martin Koppenhoefer

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Maps.me editor has got the principal difference from other editors, - it can be used without an active Internet connection. It means it is possible now to map in wilderness, in mountains, while traveling without worrying about roaming fees. Couple of years ago I used the Google maps on

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On Mon, 2016-06-20 at 11:26 +0200, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > > 2016-06-19 22:35 GMT+02:00 Ilya Zverev : > > As for the maps.me, I am glad that foreign names issue is basically > > the only one that most people agree on. > > > > there are lots of different issues, and even

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2016-06-19 22:35 GMT+02:00 Ilya Zverev : > As for the maps.me, I am glad that foreign names issue is basically the > only one that most people agree on. > there are lots of different issues, and even if many of them have not yet commented on them, I still believe they do have

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On 17/06/16 17:52, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > From my point of view, even as an experienced OSM mapper, it is > currently almost impossible to make meaningful edits (in well mapped > areas) with this app Not everywhere is "well mapped". :) I've personally used maps.me for quick simple edits in

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One of the fundamental principles of the Red Cross and Red Crescent is Impartiality: "It makes no discrimination as to nationality, race, religious beliefs, class or political opinions" [1]. I could not find anything about impartiality neither at the OpenStreetMap Foundation Core principles

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Hi everyone, I'm very pleased some of us consider me the source of all evil that comes from Russia. Although I must confess that I have nothing to do with "World of Tanks" (haven't even played it), and the proposal about water=* was accepted by 16 mappers, and if you have a problem with that,

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While Tomas' reply is quite harsh, I can relate. Personally, I am not a big fan how MAPS.ME development is directed. I asked them to implement addr:place, which they didn't, and now that they have an editor, people inadvertently mistag such addresses in villages without street names (which are

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Perhaps, there should be only a login with the OSM user name and password until the editing interface of Maps.me Editor is improved further? So that only people who have an access to JOSM, ID, and other desktop editors and have some prior OSM experience can add objects? I just added a

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I don't know why it should be an invention by Zverik. However, since he is both an OSFM board member and working for MAPS.ME he might show up with a solution. Cheers, Johan 2016-06-19 20:45 GMT+02:00 Tomas Straupis : > There is one bad convergence on this. > > While

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There is one bad convergence on this. While I can also observe that in Lithuania in last month there was a huge increase in mapsme "edits" and 50% of those are straight bullshit (like adding as an artwork objects like "my crib", "place I fish", adding cyrillic names to name tag in Lithuania

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If I understand this issue right, those are not even translations, but transliterations. It's the icelandic name written in another character set, so that someone who doesn't know latin letters or iclandic pronounciation can make the sounds of that word. It's not a genuine translation into another

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The reply from Maps.me was "We plan to add multi-lingual names in one of our future releases, we’ll think about your suggestion." No timescale given. The reason for why "people are suddenly waking up" is because we are getting lots of edits now - that was not the case before - at least not in

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Am 17.06.2016 um 19:30 schrieb Martin Koppenhoefer: > ... > I hope they are acting fast, ... This is a months old, non-news, story at this point in time with the initial burst of bad edits way back, the only interesting aspect is why people suddenly seem to have woken up now. Naturally the

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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Hi Martin, Am 17.06.2016 um 17:52 schrieb Martin Koppenhoefer: > Apparently Maps.me, the most popular open map app for mobile, has > gained some editing functions recently. While this is great news > (millions of new mappers), it also bears some

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2016-06-17 18:51 GMT+02:00 Jóhannes Birgir Jensson : > > I've suggested they have 3 name fields - name, name:en and a name:?? which > is chosen by user in preferences (at install). They have acknowledged it > but made no promises on how they will handle it. > I hope they are

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2016-06-17 18:51 GMT+02:00 Jóhannes Birgir Jensson : > > This app is giving us an added editor manpower but we might need to help > them to make the tool more useful - with more and clearer presets being one > issue. > yes, I agree that the potential gain in manpower is

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etning: 17/06/2016 15:52 (GMT+00:00) Til: osm <talk@openstreetmap.org> Efni: [OSM-talk] MAPS.ME edits - partly sub-standard Apparently Maps.me, the most popular open map app for mobile, has gained some editing functions recently. While this is great news (millions of new mappers), i

[OSM-talk] MAPS.ME edits - partly sub-standard

Apparently Maps.me, the most popular open map app for mobile, has gained some editing functions recently. While this is great news (millions of new mappers), it also bears some potential for trouble, as these new mappers often don't seem to be familiar with OSM tagging. In the past weeks there