[talk-au] Hello!

2009-11-26 Thread Steve Bennett
Hi all, I've just gotten into OSM now with the discovery of nearmap - wow, it's great. This obviously isn't a very high traffic list, but thought I'd say hi anyway, from St Kilda, Melbourne. Couple of quick questions: 1) Is there anywhere to see which suburbs of Melbourne are totally unmapped,

Re: [talk-au] More NearMap Sydney imagery...

2009-11-27 Thread Steve Bennett
And what about JOSM? So far I've just been using Potlatch because it just works. What do I have to do to get Nearmap going in JOSM? On Sat, Nov 28, 2009 at 8:20 AM, Leon Kernan lker...@gmail.com wrote: Could you please post the settings you used to get Merkaartor showing nearmap tiles? I've

Re: [talk-au] More NearMap Sydney imagery...

2009-11-28 Thread Steve Bennett
On Sun, Nov 29, 2009 at 5:31 AM, Evan Sebire e...@sebire.org wrote: In an earlier thread someone spoke about aligning the tiles to a known point when using JOSM.  Is this possible with Merkaartor?  I haven't noticed any tiles that needed aligning once the nearmap tiles were corrected for

Re: [talk-au] Webapp, Meat In A Park, Helps You Find Public BBQs

2009-11-30 Thread Steve Bennett
On Mon, Nov 30, 2009 at 10:26 PM, Liz ed...@billiau.net wrote: On Mon, 30 Nov 2009, Steve Bennett wrote: There doesn't seem to be a well documented tag for barbecues, I looked before. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:tourism%3Dpicnic_site And in tagwatch there are some

Re: [talk-au] Update on NearMap wiki page

2009-11-30 Thread Steve Bennett
On Tue, Dec 1, 2009 at 2:43 AM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.comwrote: Someone left a note about the NearMap imagery should be aligned with existing ways, but in a lot of cases the opposite is true, most of the ways that don't line up that I've seen are inaccurate. Even with the poorly

Re: [talk-au] Update on NearMap wiki page

2009-11-30 Thread Steve Bennett
On Tue, Dec 1, 2009 at 12:32 PM, Ben Last ben.l...@nearmap.com wrote: I can confirm that (a) we do welcome reports of misaligned images and (b) we typically expect to be accurate to better than 1m. So if we're not, please let us know! Ok, well, check out the western end of the Westgate

[talk-au] - bal suburbs

2009-11-30 Thread Steve Bennett
Hi, There are a few suburbs in the western suburbs of Melbourne with - Bal in the name, like Point Cook - Bal. Anyone know what these are? http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=-37.9092lon=144.7497zoom=14layers=B000FTF Also, Tarneit - Bal, Caroline Springs - Bal...maybe others. Steve

Re: [talk-au] Talk-au Digest, Vol 30, Issue 1

2009-11-30 Thread Steve Bennett
On Tue, Dec 1, 2009 at 3:11 PM, Alex Lum sierra.os...@gmail.com wrote: I wondered this myself, and I haven't got a definitive answer, but seeing the locality boundary data was derived from the Australian Bureau of Statistics, I spent some time on the ABS website to try and work it out.

Re: [talk-au] What to tag Rays Lane?

2009-12-01 Thread Steve Bennett
On Tue, Dec 1, 2009 at 7:08 PM, cam_...@fastmail.fm wrote: Also, what's the best thing to do when you've discovered that 2 ends of the same road have slightly different spellings on their physical road signs? Heh, I've seen that in Canberra. There's a street called Bolderwood/Boldrewood St.

Re: [talk-au] putting Q150 survey marks on osm

2009-12-04 Thread Steve Bennett
On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 2:29 PM, cam_...@fastmail.fm wrote: The best tag I could find for this would be: man_made=survey_point name=Q150 website=http://sssiq150.org/ ref=Q150 There are better values for the ref. See

Re: [talk-au] Boundary ways/relations

2009-12-04 Thread Steve Bennett
On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 8:22 PM, Liz ed...@billiau.net wrote: honestly, roads move. local authorities move them. Rivers and creeks can move in flood time and follow another course. Aren't there cases where the boundary is defined by the course of the creek though? Incidentally, what's the

Re: [talk-au] Can't see the facts for the FUD

2009-12-07 Thread Steve Bennett
I came across this today*, if it is of any interest: http://www.ands.org.au/guides/cc-and-data.html Steve * At work. Legitimately work related! ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au

Re: [talk-au] Using Nearmap with JOSM

2009-12-07 Thread Steve Bennett
JOSM can be used offline, So far all that's done for me is lose a chunk of edits when they conflicted at upload time. :( (I don't really do offline anymore...) you can use it to import data. Do you do that much? Where do you get it from? Less responsive. Using an applet in a browser is

Re: [talk-au] Using Nearmap with JOSM

2009-12-07 Thread Steve Bennett
On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 2:59 PM, Elizabeth Dodd ed...@billiau.net wrote: don't know what is avail in potlatch overall a is 'add' mode s is 'select' mode d is 'delete' mode u is unselect Oh yeah, good old modal editing :) It's like using vim. I found this horribly tedious. In potlatch,

Re: [talk-au] Using Nearmap with JOSM

2009-12-07 Thread Steve Bennett
On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 3:04 PM, Stephen Hope slh...@gmail.com wrote: doing things, that's all. I started out when the only Potlatch editing mode was live editing - and I'm used to doing things, checking them, and then pushing save if I'm happy. This made me immediately look for something

Re: [talk-au] Australia BP service station dataset - suitable for bulk import?

2009-12-09 Thread Steve Bennett
On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 8:52 PM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.comwrote: NAME,X,Y, LocationNo, Street, Town, State, Postcode, Phone, Unlead, PremiumUnlead, BPUltimate, E10, Diesel, Any_Autogas, Hours_24, Trailers, LPGBottle, Toilets, CarWash, CleanGo, SuperWash, Other, Pay, EFTPOS,

Re: [talk-au] Australia BP service station dataset - suitable for bulk import?

2009-12-09 Thread Steve Bennett
[26] = ATM You could add a separate (or same?) amenity=atm (or whatever it is) point? Steve ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au

Re: [talk-au] Australia BP service station dataset - suitable for bulk import?

2009-12-09 Thread Steve Bennett
On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 1:39 PM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.comwrote: The 2 BP's along the Bruce Highway north of Brisbane aren't located properly either, it looks like they've simply used address to geo lookups and when the addresses are specific they co-ords go wonky, wonder if they

Re: [talk-au] [OSM-talk] And the prize for the largest closed way goes to...

2009-12-10 Thread Steve Bennett
On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 11:46 PM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.comwrote: Or did I miss your point/question? I think the point was, the record was for the largest single unbroken way, which can only really be achieved by crappy data - relatively few points, relatively little information. So

Re: [talk-au] Australia BP service station dataset - suitable for bulk import?

2009-12-10 Thread Steve Bennett
On Fri, Dec 11, 2009 at 4:10 AM, Emilie Laffray emilie.laff...@gmail.com wrote: Also do we need to include tags when there is nothing present. I think the basic case is that those services are not present. Including them only when they are present would make more sense in my view and would not

Re: [talk-au] How do I tag a road that's also a major walking trail?

2009-12-12 Thread Steve Bennett
On Sun, Dec 13, 2009 at 9:29 AM, John Henderson snow...@gmx.com wrote: I've made a start on the daunting task of documenting the Hume and Hovell Walking Track. Call that daunting, wait till someone does the Bicentennial Trail... I feel it might be silly of me to clutter the map of Comur

Re: [talk-au] [Tagging] Tagging highway=cycleway without explicit knowledge of the law?

2009-12-13 Thread Steve Bennett
On Sun, Dec 13, 2009 at 9:37 AM, Roy Wallace waldo000...@gmail.com wrote: One question, though, for Australian shared path, shouldn't this be: highway=cycleway, bicycle=designated, foot=designated rather than highway=footway, foot=yes, bicycle=yes I've updated the wiki page to this. I

Re: [talk-au] Australian Cycleways

2009-12-13 Thread Steve Bennett
On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 8:44 AM, Roy Wallace waldo000...@gmail.com wrote: And can I again please direct you to: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Consolidation_footway_cycleway_path If you want to find a resolution to the footway/cycleway/path thing, please contribute your thoughts there.

Re: [talk-au] [Tagging] Tagging highway=cycleway without explicit knowledge of the law?

2009-12-13 Thread Steve Bennett
On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 6:59 AM, Elizabeth Dodd ed...@billiau.net wrote: I'm thinking that a cycleway is a place *designed* to ride bikes Yep. Regardless of whether it has signage. Look at this example:

Re: [talk-au] Australian Cycleways

2009-12-13 Thread Steve Bennett
On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 11:40 AM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: This is where meta information stored in state/country boundaries could be useful, although that in itself could be a slippery slope of storing too much data in meta lookup tables essentially... Yeah. I don't think

Re: [talk-au] Sports Clubs

2009-12-13 Thread Steve Bennett
On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 1:39 PM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: I tagged one in NSW a while back, I just tagged it as amenity=restaurant but that probably isn't the best thing to tag it with. Might be worth tagging them as amenity=sport_club and then adding some details to the

Re: [talk-au] Sports Clubs

2009-12-13 Thread Steve Bennett
On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 5:31 PM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: That's what he's talking about, but most of those places have pokies, but aren't exclusively pokie dens. buildings that are run by (or for), are named after, and support a sports club or organisation, but actually

Re: [talk-au] Australia BP service station dataset - suitable for bulk import?

2009-12-13 Thread Steve Bennett
On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 12:09 PM, Chris Barham cbar...@pobox.com wrote: I drove out there to check and be certain on the weekend so have removed the FIXME tag. Wow, someone cares about their servos :) Steve ___ Talk-au mailing list

Re: [talk-au] Sports Clubs

2009-12-14 Thread Steve Bennett
On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 7:20 PM, James Livingston doc...@mac.com wrote: They're definitely not a QLD thing, but I think they are a very Australian thing. As well as sports clubs, you have the Surf Life Saving Clubs, RSLs and so on. Although a lot only have one bar and restaurant, there are a

Re: [talk-au] Sports Clubs

2009-12-14 Thread Steve Bennett
On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 8:03 PM, James Livingston doc...@mac.com wrote: I'm sure that there was a tag for the first, although I can't find it now. Something like leisure=club_rooms or similar, which related to a sporting group but wasn't necessarily where the sports themselves were played,

Re: [talk-au] Sports Clubs

2009-12-14 Thread Steve Bennett
On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 9:42 PM, Sam Couter s...@couter.id.au wrote: Pub is short for public house and is a hotel, a place where anyone can get a meal, a drink and a room. Bars don't have rooms. That's a historical definition that I doubt many people would appreciate these days. In the ACT, a

Re: [talk-au] Sports Clubs

2009-12-14 Thread Steve Bennett
On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 10:44 PM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: Dunno about metro areas, but most pubs in rural areas will still rent rooms. Yep, but we're concerned with the wiki definition of the pub tag, not what pub means in general. And secondly, we're not concerned with the

Re: [talk-au] Sports Clubs

2009-12-14 Thread Steve Bennett
On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 10:58 PM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: As for tag naming amenity=member_club Which is also a little vague, but it is a valid description, would just need to be documented properly. Checking on wikipedia there is a similar notion in NZ, at least in

Re: [talk-au] Sports Clubs

2009-12-14 Thread Steve Bennett
On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 11:05 PM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: 2009/12/14 Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com: Similar organisations exist in many countries, you might as well have a specific tag for them, like servicemens_club or something. The definition could be A venue

Re: [talk-au] Sports Clubs

2009-12-14 Thread Steve Bennett
On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 7:36 AM, Roy Wallace waldo000...@gmail.com wrote: For example, take a close look at the proposed definition of member_club - is it in the form of if A and B and C, it's a member_club? If so, isn't it a better solution to *tag* A and B and C? There's no need to create

Re: [talk-au] Sports Clubs

2009-12-14 Thread Steve Bennett
On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 8:19 AM, Elizabeth Dodd ed...@billiau.net wrote: Well now it's morning, I'm sure the correct term is licensed club eg http://www.clubssa.com.au/ so amenity=licensed_club seems like a good idea to me then add in the pokies, restaurants, etc in sub tags I support this.

Re: [talk-au] Using Nearmap with JOSM

2009-12-14 Thread Steve Bennett
On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 1:55 AM, Dieter diete...@makemetheking.com wrote: On 09/12/2009, Steve Bennet wrote: Does the validator plugin let you flag mistakes as ok, so that other people don't stumble upon them? You don't need to, as the checks are performed on live data. In the keep right!

Re: [talk-au] Sports Clubs

2009-12-14 Thread Steve Bennett
On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 11:50 AM, Liz ed...@billiau.net wrote: I favour licenced_club because of the word association with liquor licence and I am looking for another tag to replace amenity=pub that I have been using and isn't the best descriptor I like it too. I wouldn't worry about trying to

Re: [talk-au] Sports Clubs

2009-12-14 Thread Steve Bennett
On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 1:46 PM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: Or particular ethnic background etc etc etc. Example? Steve ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au

Re: [talk-au] Using Nearmap with JOSM

2009-12-14 Thread Steve Bennett
On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 1:11 PM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: 2009/12/15 Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com: I meant, if the error is not actually an error (ie, a false positive), can you flag it like you can in KeepRight? You can tell the plugin to ignore anything from a single

Re: [talk-au] Sports Clubs

2009-12-14 Thread Steve Bennett
On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 2:04 PM, John Henderson snow...@gmx.com wrote: www.irishclub.com.au Yep, cool, it says it's run by an incorporated association. (10,000 members of the canberra irish club...whee!) Steve ___ Talk-au mailing list

Re: [talk-au] Sports Clubs

2009-12-14 Thread Steve Bennett
On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 2:25 PM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: 2009/12/15 Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com: Yep, cool, it says it's run by an incorporated association. That usually means not-for-profit organisation... Um, exactly. Steve

Re: [talk-au] Sports Clubs

2009-12-15 Thread Steve Bennett
Ok, so who's going to write up a description of licensed_club, so we can ram through a proposal? Steve ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au

Re: [talk-au] Australia BP service station dataset - suitable for bulk import?

2009-12-15 Thread Steve Bennett
On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 7:19 PM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: BP have this location on their site: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/node/585128133 Except when you view it with NearMap the site has been leveled, not sure if BP is rebuilding it or what To be a complete

Re: [talk-au] Sports Clubs

2009-12-15 Thread Steve Bennett
On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 11:12 PM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: 2009/12/15 Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com: Ok, so who's going to write up a description of licensed_club, so we can ram through a proposal? Which is mostly a pointless exercise in game theory. Just document

Re: [talk-au] Australia BP service station dataset - suitable for bulk import?

2009-12-16 Thread Steve Bennett
On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 10:57 PM, Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com wrote: To be a complete hypocrit, I could check it out on my way to work tomorrow. If driving, I drive straight past it, if riding, I pass within a few blocks. Then again, had a quick look with streetview, looks like BPs

Re: [talk-au] Intro video to OSM in Australia

2009-12-16 Thread Steve Bennett
On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 7:46 PM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.comwrote: 2009/12/16 John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com: Well the first part is mostly off-road type enthusiests that could help improve the amount of GPX data available to make maps. Actual another demographic that might

Re: [talk-au] Intro video to OSM in Australia

2009-12-16 Thread Steve Bennett
On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 1:21 PM, Chris Barham cbar...@pobox.com wrote: On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 12:00 PM, Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.comwrote: Has anyone on this list had any success approaching groups to encourage them to join? Their club magazine, Checkpoint, is also looking

Re: [talk-au] Roundabouts and routing

2009-12-17 Thread Steve Bennett
On Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 7:59 AM, morb@beagle.com.au wrote: In the first case I have edited the entry, exit and roundabout as meeting at exactly one node. IMHO this represents reality and if the router can't handle it then the router should be upgraded to suit (or its

Re: [talk-au] Roundabouts and routing

2009-12-17 Thread Steve Bennett
On Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 2:44 PM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.comwrote: 2009/12/18 Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com: I'm sorry, but this just doesn't even look close to me. I can imagine ambiguous circumstances, but this isn't one. This is analogous to the We aren't making perfect

Re: [talk-au] Roundabouts and routing

2009-12-17 Thread Steve Bennett
On Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 3:06 PM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.comwrote: personally I don't see anything wrong with mapping roundabouts how I have in the past even though it's implied by the wiki to do it that way. Do you personally see anything wrong with different people mapping the

Re: [talk-au] Roundabouts and routing

2009-12-17 Thread Steve Bennett
On Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 3:37 PM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.comwrote: That's the problem in this case, I didn't think what I was doing was wrong, still don't really because the issue isn't with the map data it's with how the routing software is interpreting it. Ok, so pretty much as

Re: [talk-au] Roundabouts and routing

2009-12-17 Thread Steve Bennett
On Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 3:52 PM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.comwrote: I missed the comment about voting, it's mostly a pointless exercise, current estimates claim almost 200,000 users, and the current voting system suggest about 15 votes for a proposal, does seem like a very good

Re: [talk-au] Roundabouts and routing

2009-12-18 Thread Steve Bennett
On Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 4:31 PM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.comwrote: Technically all it does is introduce it to the map features page, but that doesn't mean you can't use it anyway, it doesn't mean you can't document it's usage on other pages, although some people say that map features

Re: [talk-au] Roundabouts and routing

2009-12-18 Thread Steve Bennett
On Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 7:12 PM, Ross Scanlon i...@4x4falcon.com wrote: Likewise it's not necessary to have multiple nodes on a straight section of road (unless it's really long). As an example I just came across one straight road that was 150m long. It had 6 nodes on it where it could have

Re: [talk-au] Roundabouts and routing

2009-12-18 Thread Steve Bennett
On Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 11:43 PM, Ross Scanlon i...@4x4falcon.com wrote: Better way to do it is zoomed out so you can see the whole section you want to trace. Mark an end point then mark the other end. Then zoom and accurately adjust the end points, once they are in the correct place then

Re: [talk-au] Roundabouts and routing

2009-12-18 Thread Steve Bennett
On Sat, Dec 19, 2009 at 8:31 AM, Roy Wallace waldo000...@gmail.com wrote: The real issue here is what are we mapping - and with the intersection example, the issue seems to be whether the ways should accurately correspond to geographic reality (_messy), or not (_simple). IMHO, it's quite

Re: [talk-au] Stimulus funding locations

2009-12-18 Thread Steve Bennett
On Sat, Dec 19, 2009 at 2:22 AM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.comwrote: Another document with lat/lon data, but this one will need to be dealt with manually, contains locations and types of projects money is being spent on, seems to be useful for extracting school and park locations, and

Re: [talk-au] Centrelink locations

2009-12-18 Thread Steve Bennett
Yeah, good work. Should the name be Bairnsdale Centrelink or just Centrelink? ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au

Re: [talk-au] Roundabouts and routing

2009-12-18 Thread Steve Bennett
On Sat, Dec 19, 2009 at 11:54 AM, Roy Wallace waldo000...@gmail.com wrote: Sure, and I see the logic - but the fact you needed to think long and hard means it's probably better if the routing can be fixed to cope with either kind of mapping. Yes. Although if we're trying to make our map data

Re: [talk-au] Centrelink locations

2009-12-18 Thread Steve Bennett
On Sat, Dec 19, 2009 at 12:00 PM, Roy Wallace waldo000...@gmail.com wrote: But isn't this a problem with the user i.e. the GPS unit software? I.e. shouldn't the suburb be retrieved from an admin boundary if required? IMHO the name=* value should be the name. If it's actually called Bairnsdale

Re: [talk-au] Centrelink locations

2009-12-18 Thread Steve Bennett
On Sat, Dec 19, 2009 at 12:19 PM, Roy Wallace waldo000...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Dec 19, 2009 at 11:07 AM, Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com wrote: I feel weird tagging name=Bowls Club - that's clearly not the name I would feel weird too! If you don't know the name, PLEASE don't enter

Re: [talk-au] Centrelink locations

2009-12-18 Thread Steve Bennett
On Sat, Dec 19, 2009 at 6:15 PM, Roy Wallace waldo000...@gmail.com wrote: People tag A=B when they know A does not equal B. Do you really want me to explain why this isn't a good idea? You want steak. I only have chicken. I want you to explain why you prefer to starve. More prosaically, many

Re: [talk-au] Stimulus funding locations

2009-12-19 Thread Steve Bennett
On Sat, Dec 19, 2009 at 6:46 PM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.comwrote: I thought you meant for the stimulus import, I upload all the data to a work server: I was thinking of just a list of URLs and descriptions: police stations come from ..., status: ... That server also serves tiles,

Re: [talk-au] Stimulus funding locations

2009-12-19 Thread Steve Bennett
On Sat, Dec 19, 2009 at 11:34 PM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.comwrote: 2009/12/19 Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com: I was thinking of just a list of URLs and descriptions: police stations come from ..., status: ... We'd be better importing the data ourself and telling people

Re: [talk-au] Stimulus funding locations

2009-12-19 Thread Steve Bennett
On Sat, Dec 19, 2009 at 11:45 PM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.comwrote: Well you can see all sources of available government data on the .au gov's website: http://data.australia.gov.au Yeah but if we have our own list, it becomes a project, with status, where we can take notes etc. If

Re: [talk-au] Victorian police locations...

2009-12-20 Thread Steve Bennett
Like I said before, I think making a wiki page and posting these observations there would be more helpful in the long run than simply sending them off into the ether that is this mailing list. The heads up is great, but nothing much is going to happen this way. Steve

Re: [talk-au] Victorian police locations...

2009-12-20 Thread Steve Bennett
On Mon, Dec 21, 2009 at 1:46 AM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.comwrote: Feel free, but these locations are all tagged with fixme=not_reviewed and show up in things like keepright etc, and as I said before I even made a custom page for the bp locations to make it simpler again. Not sure

Re: [talk-au] Tagging fuel locations

2009-12-20 Thread Steve Bennett
On Mon, Dec 21, 2009 at 7:09 AM, Roy Wallace waldo000...@gmail.com wrote: Specifically, though, I'm wondering why use amenity:atm=yes rather than atm=yes? Is there ever some atm that isn't an amenity? It's for when there are several amenities sharing one node. Not that any renderers/editors

Re: [talk-au] Victorian police locations...

2009-12-20 Thread Steve Bennett
On Mon, Dec 21, 2009 at 9:41 AM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.comwrote: 2009/12/21 Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com: Not sure if you have a pathological hatred towards making wiki pages, or how you end up thinking it's less work to send so many messages to this list rather than

Re: [talk-au] Tagging fuel locations

2009-12-20 Thread Steve Bennett
On Mon, Dec 21, 2009 at 11:39 AM, David Murn da...@incanberra.com.auwrote: According to http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:atm you should add an individual node for an ATM, rather than tag it onto an existing node (ie. bank, servo or chemist). Well, that's a bit of a misrepresentation.

Re: [talk-au] Common or not??

2009-12-20 Thread Steve Bennett
On Mon, Dec 21, 2009 at 11:21 AM, Liz ed...@billiau.net wrote: Just looking at a photo and it has a Mobile Library Stop sign in it Are these common and I haven't been looking? any ideas for a tag amenity=library_stop ?? I have seen a couple of these around country Vic. I'd use whatever the

Re: [talk-au] Tagging fuel locations

2009-12-20 Thread Steve Bennett
On Mon, Dec 21, 2009 at 12:11 PM, David Murn da...@incanberra.com.auwrote: Actually, I just did read it, and put the pages side-by-side. The only difference I noticed, is at the top.. Tag:atm=yes (Redirected from Key:atm) Ok, quick lesson on MediaWiki for you all. Some pages in the wiki

Re: [talk-au] Tagging fuel locations

2009-12-20 Thread Steve Bennett
On Mon, Dec 21, 2009 at 12:05 PM, David Murn da...@incanberra.com.auwrote: Well, I never add any map data that I havent verified for myself, so my interpretation is probably different to those who mass-import data. Ive been to almost every servo in my local area, and have been marking

Re: [talk-au] Tagging fuel locations

2009-12-20 Thread Steve Bennett
On Mon, Dec 21, 2009 at 12:45 PM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.comwrote: Wasn't planning to do any different, it's hard enough to pin point the location of a lot/most BPs from aerial imagery where it exists, next to impossible in areas with no aerial imagery, although as I said before,

Re: [talk-au] Common or not??

2009-12-20 Thread Steve Bennett
On Mon, Dec 21, 2009 at 11:53 AM, Elizabeth Dodd ed...@billiau.net wrote: I think using a bus route type could get muddled with public transport and we will have german tourists trying to catch the library truck to get around. Still a better solution than alternatives. You could tag it

Re: [talk-au] Common or not??

2009-12-20 Thread Steve Bennett
On Mon, Dec 21, 2009 at 1:07 PM, Stephen Hope slh...@gmail.com wrote: Actually, the closest thing I can think of is the mobile blood-bank collection vans. They operate in a similar fashion - any tags for marking them to use as an example? Other things in the same category might include

Re: [talk-au] Tagging fuel locations

2009-12-20 Thread Steve Bennett
On Mon, Dec 21, 2009 at 4:47 PM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.comwrote: You are assuming the only use is for rendering, have you seen osmfuel.org? http://www.osmfuel.org/enter Uh: You have asked Firefox to connect securely to mail.suckfuell.net, but we can't confirm that your

Re: [talk-au] Common or not??

2009-12-20 Thread Steve Bennett
On Mon, Dec 21, 2009 at 4:52 PM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.comwrote: 2009/12/21 Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com: information=guidepost? mobile_library_stop=Tu 10:00-12:30 ? That's extremely specific. The chance of any renderer ever supporting that is very low. Better to go

Re: [talk-au] Common or not??

2009-12-20 Thread Steve Bennett
On Mon, Dec 21, 2009 at 5:22 PM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.comwrote: Compared to atm=yes rendering? :) It's not a bus stop and I wouldn't tag it as such as they could be incorrectly rendered. In fact some mobile libraries aren't buses, the only ones I've ever seen in recent times

Re: [talk-au] Suburb boundaries

2009-12-22 Thread Steve Bennett
On Tue, Dec 22, 2009 at 9:31 PM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.comwrote: After that it might be wise to figure out some strategy to monitor changes to admin boundaries to limit the effect of mistakes in future. I suggest asking the authors of JOSM/Potlatch/... to put in an option to hide

Re: [talk-au] Routable maps

2009-12-24 Thread Steve Bennett
I also just tried out routing on my new Garmin Oregon 550...awesome. I was on cycling Churchill Park in Melbourne's east and camping the night. The gps, using only osm data, found me some really interesting tracks that I wouldn't have thought of on my own. Someone's done a good job in that area.

Re: [talk-au] railway lines and nearmap

2009-12-25 Thread Steve Bennett
Hmm, speaking from experience of a ride today, I'd actually prefer less detail, but maybe that's a question for the renderer. Trying to follow a bike path that runs beside, then crosses over, a set of train tracks is really tough - all the lines look very similar. Anyway, that's just me grumbling

Re: [talk-au] railway lines and nearmap

2009-12-25 Thread Steve Bennett
If all you cared about was cycling information, why didn't you use OpenCycleMap tiles? Shut up. And merry christmas, Steve. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au

Re: [talk-au] hiding boundary=administrative by default

2009-12-26 Thread Steve Bennett
You don't need my permission to file a bug :P Please stop being an asshole. Your way of expressing yourself on these lists is extremely unpleasant. For almost every post that anyone makes, you make this snide, arrogant, completely uncalled for follow-up. If you have a useful post to make that

Re: [talk-au] railway lines and nearmap

2009-12-26 Thread Steve Bennett
On Sat, Dec 26, 2009 at 9:59 PM, Richard Colless fire...@ar.com.au wrote: I've been driving around some areas that are OSM mapped, but almost devoid of features except the road. I find that having extra non-drivable features makes the map more comfortable - gives you confidence in your

Re: [talk-au] Cycle path under railway

2009-12-28 Thread Steve Bennett
On Mon, Dec 28, 2009 at 6:45 PM, Geoff gjn@gmail.com wrote: Which raises another point how do I link all the bits that I have mapped into one one way or put in a relation to make it a route. Or do I just work around it by naming all the bits as Linear park track? A relation is best for

Re: [talk-au] hiding boundary=administrative by default

2009-12-28 Thread Steve Bennett
I've submitted a request for Potlatch. http://trac.openstreetmap.org/ticket/2583#preview Boy what a weird thread. I'm still puzzling over how this: Steve: Hear, hear. Would be good in potlatch too. turned into: John: Your post was completely useless, why didn't you just post a bug instead of

Re: [talk-au] Wrong way round the roundabout

2009-12-28 Thread Steve Bennett
On Tue, Dec 29, 2009 at 4:01 PM, Roy Wallace waldo000...@gmail.com wrote: My 2 cents: anything that is less important than tertiary is: 1) if it is a named/public road: * residential if lined primarily with people's homes and used primarily by people accessing those homes * unclassified

Re: [talk-au] Cycle path under railway

2009-12-29 Thread Steve Bennett
On Tue, Dec 29, 2009 at 10:42 PM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.comwrote: 2009/12/29 Geoff gjn@gmail.com: Hi Steve I am busy trying to get to understand how to connect the bits in a relation. Not getting far but I want to read a bit more before I ask teh dumb questions here.

Re: [talk-au] Wrong way round the roundabout

2010-01-01 Thread Steve Bennett
On Thu, Dec 31, 2009 at 6:35 PM, Richard Colless fire...@ar.com.au wrote: By contrast, in my suburb of Ruse, NSW (not far from Harrington Park - look it up) there is a major road (Junction Road) through the middle of it, rendered as tertiary, and always coloured yellow in street directories.

Re: [talk-au] MapOSMatic will now do any where...

2010-01-01 Thread Steve Bennett
On Fri, Jan 1, 2010 at 9:13 PM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.comwrote: As long as they are tagged properly it's up to the render style sheet as to what renders. Perhaps you could add this comment to your signature and avoid the spam? No offence, but you really don't need to repeat

Re: [talk-au] MapOSMatic will now do any where...

2010-01-01 Thread Steve Bennett
On Fri, Jan 1, 2010 at 9:31 PM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.comwrote: You asked a question, I replied if you don't like the answer that's your problem, No, if you constantly repeat yourself on a mailing list, it's *everybody*'s problem. Everyone here understands that renderers can filter

Re: [talk-au] Alcohol Free Zones

2010-01-01 Thread Steve Bennett
On Wed, Dec 30, 2009 at 10:17 AM, Craig Feuerherdt craigfeuerhe...@gmail.com wrote: I know Bendigo has an 'alcohol free zone' which would be useful to capture. Initial thoughts are that it is best represented as a relation, made up of the ways (roads etc) that form the outer boundary. Just

Re: [talk-au] MapOSMatic will now do any where...

2010-01-01 Thread Steve Bennett
Ok, John, I'm adding you to my killfile. I'm not getting anything out of corresponding with you other than frustration, and I'm finding your messages consist mostly of unhelpful stubborn posturing, and too little useful content. I'm sure our bickering is only pissing everyone else off as well.

Re: [talk-au] Cul-de-sac

2010-01-02 Thread Steve Bennett
On Sat, Jan 2, 2010 at 11:50 PM, Jim Croft jim.cr...@gmail.com wrote: Many of the residential 'dead ends' in Giralang are terminated by neat little blobs that render sort of like the turning radius at the ends of these streets. This is not uniform practice across the ACT. On inspection,

Re: [talk-au] Cul-de-sac

2010-01-02 Thread Steve Bennett
On Sun, Jan 3, 2010 at 12:44 AM, Jim Croft jim.cr...@gmail.com wrote: ok - will give it a go. my mental image of a turning circle may have been more like a round about... You may have been thinking of traffic circle, the US term for a roundabout. Canberra must have more of these things than

Re: [talk-au] Victorian routes

2010-01-03 Thread Steve Bennett
On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 8:43 AM, Roy Wallace waldo000...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Jan 3, 2010 at 11:07 PM, Craig Feuerherdt craigfeuerhe...@gmail.com wrote: Happy New Year OSMers! Have created a page listing all the Victorian routes (M, A, B C roads) -

Re: [talk-au] Copyright questions

2010-01-03 Thread Steve Bennett
On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 10:16 AM, John Henderson snow...@gmx.com wrote: I'm unclear about some issues concerning copyright. I'd like to put up a couple of scenarios and get opinions. Let's say that many roads in a town are mapped but unnamed in OSM. And street signs are missing. I go to

Re: [talk-au] Cul-de-sac

2010-01-03 Thread Steve Bennett
On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 8:04 AM, Roy Wallace waldo000...@gmail.com wrote: IMHO they justify an extra way, as there is clearly a physical separation and two separate areas of bitumen. (Go ahead and add a whole extra node + way - HDD storage is cheap! :P) HDD storage is the least of my

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