Re: [Talk-ca] York Region Building Import

everything is well thought out and that people have a chance to chime in and provide feedback on the proposal. Best, Nate Wessel Cartographer, Planner, Transport Nerd NateWessel.com <https://www.natewessel.com> On 2020-10-04 12:29 p.m., Andrew Deng via Talk-ca wrote: Hello, I primari

Re: [Talk-ca] Importing buildings in Canada

associated, though it's definitely preferable to isolate the import changes to some degree from standard contributions. Best, Nate Wessel, PhD Planner, Cartographer, Transport Nerd NateWessel.com <https://www.natewessel.com> On 2020-04-23 3:38 p.m., Daniel @jfd553 wrote: Hi all, I just com

Re: [Talk-ca] Toronto building import

in the first place. Best, Nate Wessel, PhD Planner, Cartographer, Transport Nerd NateWessel.com <https://www.natewessel.com> On 2020-04-04 9:21 a.m., Daniel @jfd553 wrote: I am about to complete the Squamish test area and so far the new ODB import procedure seems adequate. So, if you r

[Talk-ca] Toronto building import

/wiki/Toronto_building_import ) And I've uploaded some task-level OSM data to GitHub ( https://github.com/Nate-Wessel/TO-building-import/tree/master/tasks ) if anyone cares to inspect it. Hopefully this import process will address most of the concerns raised about the initial import, including

Re: [Talk-ca] Tagging sidewalks as separate ways and issues with bicycle routing

immensely satisfying :-) Best, Nate Wessel, PhD Planner, Cartographer, Transport Nerd NateWessel.com <https://www.natewessel.com> On 2020-04-03 4:25 p.m., Martin Chalifoux wrote: Nate, when reading this and other comments I try to figure who puts those sidewalks in and to the benefit of

Re: [Talk-ca] Tagging sidewalks as separate ways and issues with bicycle routing

) are infrastructure in their own right and deserve to be mapped as such, at least in many dense urban areas, and especially where they vary significantly from street to street. I'm not saying it should be done everywhere, but it definitely does have value in some places. Best, Nate Wessel, PhD

Re: [Talk-ca] Tagging sidewalks as separate ways and issues with bicycle routing

I've been using OSRM a lot for bicycle routing in Toronto and haven't seen many route suggestions that I would consider terribly unreasonable. Sidewalks only ever appear at the start/end of a route because they may be slightly closer to the requested destination. Nate Wessel, PhD Planner

Re: [Talk-ca] Tagging sidewalks as separate ways and issues with bicycle routing

values without needing to manually tag millions of ways. Whether they can or do allow that is a problem for the people developing the routing engines. Nate Wessel, PhD Planner, Cartographer, Transport Nerd NateWessel.com <https://www.natewessel.com> On 2020-04-03 10:39 a.m., John Whelan

Re: [Talk-ca] Importing buildings in Canada

In short, yes. But we should give them a clear option and a clear path toward doing it either way - written procedures, provide preprocessing scripts/help, etc. Best, Nate Wessel, PhD Planner, Cartographer, Transport Nerd NateWessel.com <https://www.natewessel.com> On 2020-01-18 7:

Re: [Talk-ca] Importing buildings in Canada

by importing only in the sparse gaps between existing OSM buildings. For other parts of Canada, this may not be much of an issue at all - I wouldn't know. Best, Nate Wessel, PhD Planner, Cartographer, Transport Nerd NateWessel.com <https://www.natewessel.com> On 2020-01-18 5:24 p.m., Daniel @

Re: [Talk-ca] FW: Re: Importing buildings in Canada

or updated geometries - I'm just saying that it needs to be a separate process if it happens. Best, Nate Wessel, PhD Planner, Cartographer, Transport Nerd NateWessel.com <https://www.natewessel.com> On 2020-01-16 2:56 p.m., Daniel @jfd553 wrote: Hello Nate, I understand that you d

Re: [Talk-ca] FW: Re: Importing buildings in Canada

for it. I see the main point of this effort as getting more complete coverage - it we want to use the dataset to do quality assurance on existing data, that is a whole other discussion. Best, Nate Wessel, PhD Planner, Cartographer, Transport Nerd NateWessel.com <https://www.natewessel.

Re: [Talk-ca] FW: Re: Importing buildings in Canada

ies will need to adjust that. I might suggest trying to contact the top 10 mappers in an area. They would likely know who else to contact if anyone. Best, Nate Wessel, PhD Planner, Cartographer, Transport Nerd NateWessel.com <https://www.natewessel.com> On 2020-01-15 8:33 a.m., Daniel @j

Re: [Talk-ca] Importing buildings in Canada

John, Those links were just to indicate what can be done with task setup. I don't think we're close to setting up actual import tasks yet, though we do seem to be on the road toward getting things sorted out :-) Nate Wessel, PhD Planner, Cartographer, Transport Nerd NateWessel.com <ht

Re: [Talk-ca] Importing buildings in Canada

seem to work fine for importing though because you can easily see where the new data starts and ends. And buildings can be assigned to a task uniquely without difficulty. Cheers, Nate Wessel, PhD Planner, Cartographer, Transport Nerd NateWessel.com <https://www.natewessel.com> On 2020-01-05

Re: [Talk-ca] Importing buildings in Canada

The task size, and even shape is totally customizable. I've set up a couple that are entirely based on the density of the data: http://tasks.osmcanada.ca/project/168 https://tasks.openstreetmap.us/project/107 Best, Nate Wessel, PhD Planner, Cartographer, Transport Nerd NateWessel.com <ht

Re: [Talk-ca] Importing buildings in Canada

:-) Best, Nate Wessel, PhD Planner, Cartographer, Transport Nerd NateWessel.com <https://www.natewessel.com> On 2020-01-03 3:40 p.m., Daniel @jfd553 wrote: Bonjour groupe, mes excuses pour ce très long courriel !-) I have reviewed everything that has been written on the ODB import (aka

Re: [Talk-ca] Importing buildings in Canada

be quite stubborn ;-) Happy holidays, Nate Wessel, PhD Planner, Cartographer, Transport Nerd NateWessel.com <https://www.natewessel.com> On 2019-12-24 1:28 p.m., James wrote: wasn't there talk about this before and someone blocked it because of non-square buildings and the resulting disc

Re: [Talk-ca] Importing buildings in Canada

in the next month or so as I have time and energy. Thanks, Nate Wessel, PhD Planner, Cartographer, Transport Nerd NateWessel.com <http://www.natewessel.com> On 2019-09-28 6:37 p.m., Steve Singer wrote: On Sat, 28 Sep 2019, Nate Wessel wrote: I for one would be happy to support a local

Re: [Talk-ca] Importing buildings in Canada

! I see that the OSM Toronto meetup <https://www.meetup.com/OpenStreetMap-Toronto/> doesn't have any upcoming events... Would others in the GTA be interested in planning a meet up to talk about a local import plan? Is anyone on the list in charge of organizing these? Best, Nate Wesse

Re: [Talk-ca] Importing buildings in Canada

discussion about moving forward with a building import for Toronto, I am happy to engage constructively with that. Respectfully, Nate Wessel, PhD Planner, Cartographer, Transport Nerd NateWessel.com <http://www.natewessel.com> On 2019-09-27 11:44 a.m., john whelan wrote: From memory we have im

Re: [Talk-ca] Building Import

, I've documented some open-source code for cleaning up building geometries for another import: https://github.com/Nate-Wessel/hamilton-import Some of the same PostGIS scripts could easily be reused here, especially the simplification step, which takes account of any shared walls. Best, Nate

Re: [Talk-ca] Toronto appreciation

I'd be up for a drink tomorrow. I'll be around U of T most of the day but I'm flexible on the time and location. Cheers, Nate Wessel Jack of all trades, Master of Geography, PhD candidate in Urban Planning NateWessel.com <http://natewessel.com> P.S. Martijn I'm glad you like the PATH! I

Re: [Talk-ca] Saints in street names in Ontario

time. I like Danny's suggestion of the pronunciation tag. That seems like the most elegant solution if anyone knows IPA. I've always wanted to learn it actually but haven't yet had a good enough reason. Nate Wessel Jack of all trades, Master of Geography, PhD candidate in Urban Planning

Re: [Talk-ca] Saints in street names in Ontario

mology> to make things absolutely clear. Having either spelling in one of these alternatives as appropriate would likely satisfy any dissenters and make both the full and abbreviated name searchable. Nate Wessel Jack of all trades, Master of Geography, PhD candidate in Urban Planning Na

Re: [Talk-ca] Building Import

review. Nate Wessel Jack of all trades, Master of Geography, PhD candidate in Urban Planning NateWessel.com <http://natewessel.com> On 3/15/19 11:23 AM, Danny McDonald wrote: By the way, I strongly object to the way Nate immediately went to the DWG, instead of attempting to engage in disc

Re: [Talk-ca] Building import in BC and Quebec

I just reported this to the data working group, in case you haven't already. Hopefully they will step in! Cheers, Nate Wessel Jack of all trades, Master of Geography, PhD candidate in Urban Planning NateWessel.com <http://natewessel.com> On 3/15/19 10:30 AM, Pierre Béland wrote: R

Re: [Talk-ca] Building import in BC and Quebec

them continue with an import that is being actively disputed. Nate Wessel Jack of all trades, Master of Geography, PhD candidate in Urban Planning NateWessel.com <http://natewessel.com> On 3/15/19 8:28 AM, Jarek Piórkowski wrote: IMO the huron/hamptonavemapper import is quite clearly in

Re: [Talk-ca] Building import in BC and Quebec

know the import was paused - their evidence: that the tasking manager is still active! Best, Nate Wessel Jack of all trades, Master of Geography, PhD candidate in Urban Planning NateWessel.com <http://natewessel.com> On 3/14/19 7:42 PM, Jarek Piórkowski wrote: The changeset comment me

Re: [Talk-ca] Some feedback on import quality in Toronto

and skills necessary to make this a good import. Supposing that we didn't though, then I would have to say that the import should wait until we have the right people working on it. A bad import is worse than no import. Cheers, Nate Wessel Jack of all trades, Master of Geography, PhD candidate in Urban

[Talk-ca] Some feedback on import quality in Toronto

square. We can do better than this! -- Nate Wessel Jack of all trades, Master of Geography, PhD candidate in Urban Planning NateWessel.com <http://natewessel.com> ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/li

Re: [Talk-ca] Building Import update

the same thing some time ago. We're concerned with squaring because buildings generally have right angles. If the data don't have right angles too, then like you said it likely indicates poor quality data. Best, Nate Wessel Jack of all trades, Master of Geography, PhD candidate in Urban

Re: [Talk-ca] Building Import update

s the way Toronto/Canada needs to develop, but don't imply that it's impossible - it isn't. Cheers, Nate Wessel Jack of all trades, Master of Geography, PhD candidate in Urban Planning NateWessel.com <http://natewessel.com> On 2/1/19 7:35 AM, john whelan wrote: https://www.openstreetmap.or

Re: [Talk-ca] Building Import update

doing. Four million buildings times one tiny problem equals one really huge problem. Let's fix it now while it's still relatively easy. Best, Nate Wessel Jack of all trades, Master of Geography, PhD candidate in Urban Planning NateWessel.com <http://natewessel.com> On 1/28/19 9:17 AM

Re: [Talk-ca] Building Import update

and extent off the problem before we rush to solutions. That's the point of validation - understanding what the problems are. Best, Nate Wessel Jack of all trades, Master of Geography, PhD candidate in Urban Planning NateWessel.com <http://natewessel.com> On 1/26/19 2:10 PM, James wrot

Re: [Talk-ca] Talk-ca Digest, Vol 131, Issue 48

I'm all for this, so long as it really is just for validation. I believe we can leave notes on tasks via the tasking manager (?), which might be a good way to catalogue any localized issues we see. Nate Wessel Jack of all trades, Master of Geography, PhD candidate in Urban Planning

Re: [Talk-ca] Building Import update

: https://trac.osgeo.org/postgis/wiki/UsersWikiSimplifyPreserveTopology Nate Wessel Jack of all trades, Master of Geography, PhD candidate in Urban Planning NateWessel.com <http://natewessel.com> On 1/26/19 12:31 PM, James wrote: it does if you saw my analysis of building(polygon count) r

Re: [Talk-ca] Talk-ca Digest, Vol 131, Issue 48

of opinion; the root of the issue is likely just a different vision of OSM and why we each care about it. Nate Wessel Jack of all trades, Master of Geography, PhD candidate in Urban Planning NateWessel.com <http://natewessel.com> On 1/26/19 12:48 PM, Danny McDonald wrote: 1. In terms of valid

Re: [Talk-ca] Building Import update

Does that preserve topology between buildings that share nodes? Nate Wessel Jack of all trades, Master of Geography, PhD candidate in Urban Planning NateWessel.com <http://natewessel.com> On 1/26/19 11:31 AM, James wrote: no need for scripts, qgis does this fine via the Vector menu ->

Re: [Talk-ca] Building Import update

r, I don't want to oppose this import - I have too much else I should be focusing on. I just don't want to see another shoddy import in Toronto (or elsewhere). Best, Nate Wessel Jack of all trades, Master of Geography, PhD candidate in Urban Planning NateWessel.com <http://natewessel.com>

Re: [Talk-ca] Canada Building imports wiki page

deleting much) and adding content on data quality. Best, Nate Wessel Jack of all trades, Master of Geography, PhD candidate in Urban Planning NateWessel.com <http://natewessel.com> On 1/24/19 12:56 PM, OSM Volunteer stevea wrote: On Jan 24, 2019, at 9:29 AM, john whelan wrote: You seem t

[Talk-ca] Canada Building Import wiki page

guidelines page. Best, -- Nate Wessel Jack of all trades, Master of Geography, PhD candidate in Urban Planning NateWessel.com <http://natewessel.com> ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca

[Talk-ca] Canada Building imports wiki page

. Please feel encouraged to edit the page to get it in line with the documentation required for import as described on the import guidelines page. https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Import/Guidelines Best, -- Nate Wessel Jack of all trades, Master of Geography, PhD candidate in Urban

Re: [Talk-ca] Ongoing Canadian building import needs to be stopped, possibly reverted

the largest part for the footprint (building=yes) and any intersecting smaller buildings (building:part=yes). We might also need to generate some building relations for more complex features. Nate Wessel Jack of all trades, Master of Geography, PhD candidate in Urban Planning NateWessel.com <h

Re: [Talk-ca] Ongoing Canadian building import needs to be stopped, possibly reverted

shapefiles from StatsCan don't provide enough information to reconstruct any 3D geometries, so I'd be inclined to remove these from the import unless they can be brought in from another source with better documentation / attribute tagging. (i.e. City of Toronto?) Thanks, Nate Wessel Jack of all

[Talk-ca] Canada building import - Simplification discussion

. Best, Nate Wessel Jack of all trades, Master of Geography, PhD candidate in Urban Planning NateWessel.com <http://natewessel.com> On 1/19/19 7:24 PM, OSM Volunteer stevea wrote: On Jan 19, 2019, at 3:47 PM, James wrote: Resending because these emails are getting over 40KB in size an

Re: [Talk-ca] 2020 building import wiki comment by Nate Wessel

(is that a word?) which will need to be measured in this context somehow as well. Thanks, Nate Wessel Jack of all trades, Master of Geography, PhD candidate in Urban Planning NateWessel.com <http://natewessel.com> On 1/19/19 5:01 PM, James wrote: Is there no one that will analyse the data I've poste

Re: [Talk-ca] 2020 building import wiki comment by Nate Wessel

. This is a huge, huge import and we need to take the time to do things right, and especially to document the process so people can get involved that aren't already. Best, Nate Wessel Jack of all trades, Master of Geography, PhD candidate in Urban Planning NateWessel.com <http://natewessel.

Re: [Talk-ca] Ongoing Canadian building import needs to be stopped, possibly reverted

-data-import part, without having to be expert on which geometry is better, how to preserve way histories and tags, etc. Like I said, we haven't started this part yet in the other import, but even I find the prospect a little daunting! Best, Nate Wessel Jack of all trades, Master of Geography

Re: [Talk-ca] 2020 building import wiki comment by Nate Wessel

I'm not familiar with the tool, but that is essentially what I'm asking for -  nothing all that complicated. We would need to make sure we're not losing any valuable detail though, and ensure that topology is preserved where buildings share nodes. Nate Wessel Jack of all trades, Master

Re: [Talk-ca] 2020 building import wiki comment by Nate Wessel

- they didn't add any detail to the shape at all. This procedure removed almost all of them with no discernible reduction in quality. Nate Wessel Jack of all trades, Master of Geography, PhD candidate in Urban Planning NateWessel.com <http://natewessel.com> On 1/18/19 4:03 PM, James wrote: da

Re: [Talk-ca] 2020 building import wiki comment by Nate Wessel

the wisdom of the people who've learned from flawed imports in the past and have devised guidelines and processes so that we can have better experiences with this in the future. Nate Wessel Jack of all trades, Master of Geography, PhD candidate in Urban Planning NateWessel.com <http://natewessel.

Re: [Talk-ca] 2020 building import wiki comment by Nate Wessel

might even lend a hand if all goes well, as I sincerely hope it does :-) Best, Nate Wessel Jack of all trades, Master of Geography, PhD candidate in Urban Planning NateWessel.com <http://natewessel.com> On 1/18/19 1:11 PM, john whelan wrote: I know of no other way to contact him but h

Re: [Talk-ca] Ongoing Canadian building import needs to be stopped, possibly reverted

until we get things right. I sincerely respect the good intentions of everyone involved in this and I hope we can all work together to make OSM a map known for it's coverage AND it's quality. Best, Nate Wessel Jack of all trades, Master of Geography, PhD candidate in Urban Planning NateWessel.com