Re: [talk-ph] Philippine multilingual place names (English/native language)

2017-08-22 Thread Eugene Alvin Villar
On Wed, Aug 23, 2017 at 9:23 AM, Jherome Miguel wrote: > > It already looks important to have place names under the name= tag be > bilingual or multilingual, not just in English, especially when taking > regard speakers of native languages (Tagalog, Cebuano, Hiligaynon,

Re: [talk-ph] Philippine multilingual place names (English/native language)

2017-08-22 Thread Eugene Alvin Villar
On Wed, Aug 23, 2017 at 9:23 AM, Jherome Miguel wrote: > > It already looks important to have place names under the name= tag be > bilingual or multilingual, not just in English, especially when taking > regard speakers of native languages (Tagalog, Cebuano, Hiligaynon,

Re: [OSM-talk] Highway=trunk : harmonization between countries ?

2017-08-22 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 23. Aug 2017, at 01:20, Greg Troxel wrote: > > maxspeed:practical should be a representative speed that's valid most of > the time. > >> maxspeed:practical should not have any values above the legal speed >> limit.. and if it had routers should ignore

[talk-ph] Philippine multilingual place names (English/native language)

2017-08-22 Thread Jherome Miguel
It already looks important to have place names under the name= tag be bilingual or multilingual, not just in English, especially when taking regard speakers of native languages (Tagalog, Cebuano, Hiligaynon, Kapampangan, Ilocano, etc.), and use of native. I am proposing a scheme where the name

[OSM-ja] JOSMの妥当性検査のルールはどこ?(bridge:name,tunnel:nameタグの警告を消したい)

2017-08-22 Thread Jun NOGATA
こんにちは。野方です。 変更セットのコメントで「橋の名前とトンネルの名前タグにbridge_name, tunnel_nameタグを使ってましたが、bridge:name, tunnel:nameに修正しました」 とコメントをいただきました。 http://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/50036674 確かJOSMの妥当性検査で警告が出て直した記憶があったので確認すると、 tunnel:nameタグの部分で 「プロパティキーの綴り間違い-'tunnel:name'キーは'tunnel_name'ではないでしょうか」 と警告が出ます

Re: [OSM-talk] Highway=trunk : harmonization between countries ?

2017-08-22 Thread Greg Troxel
john whelan writes: >>A typical city road posted 30 mph might move at 35 mph, I probably should not have said city, but maybe town. Around me, things are less crowded and the speeds I referenced are not irresponsible. > As someone who lives in a city street with one

Re: [OSM-talk] Highway=trunk : harmonization between countries ?

2017-08-22 Thread john whelan
>A typical city road posted 30 mph might move at 35 mph, As someone who lives in a city street with one school in the middle and one at either end posted at 40 km/h with an average traffic speed of 60 km/h and over 100 km/h from some high school kids driving to and from school I would prefer it

Re: [OSM-talk] Highway=trunk : harmonization between countries ?

2017-08-22 Thread Greg Troxel
Lester Caine writes: > http://map.project-osrm.org/?z=11=52.149501%2C-1.577225=52.048797%2C-1.856918=52.258912%2C-1.619625=en=0 > > 43.4km 33min > > Dragged to normal route via Mickleton it becomes 32.3km 34min, but > anybody who uses this section of the A46 will tell you

Re: [OSM-talk] Highway=trunk : harmonization between countries ?

2017-08-22 Thread Greg Troxel
Philip Barnes writes: > On 22 August 2017 14:46:33 BST, Richard wrote: >>On Tue, Aug 22, 2017 at 08:40:13AM -0400, Greg Troxel wrote: >>> >>> Two points: >>> >>> Speed limit does not describe the speeds that reasonably >>responsible >>> real

Re: [OSM-talk] Highway=trunk : harmonization between countries ?

2017-08-22 Thread Greg Troxel
djakk djakk writes: > Yes Martin, I meant "physical characteristics". In the US, a road is tagged > "trunk" according to its physical characteristics, as Greg said previously > in this thread. That's true, but it's also the case that the roads that are (properly) tagged

Re: [OSM-talk] Highway=trunk : harmonization between countries ?

2017-08-22 Thread Greg Troxel
Richard writes: > On Tue, Aug 22, 2017 at 10:00:07PM +0200, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: >> >> >> sent from a phone >> >> > On 22. Aug 2017, at 15:46, Richard wrote: >> > >> > called differently, but this is it: >> >

Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Bornes à incendie : proposition en cours d'écriture

2017-08-22 Thread François Lacombe
Le 23 août 2017 à 00:12, marc marc a écrit : > Le 22. 08. 17 à 22:58, François Lacombe a écrit : > > il est vrai que la proposition concerne aussi le tag flow_capacity > > capacity:flow je trouve flow assez générique. vois-tu un autre tag > avec > > flow

Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Bornes à incendie : proposition en cours d'écriture

2017-08-22 Thread marc marc
Le 22. 08. 17 à 22:58, François Lacombe a écrit : > il est vrai que la proposition concerne aussi le tag flow_capacity > capacity:flow je trouve flow assez générique. vois-tu un autre tag avec > flow possible ? parce que sinon c'est un peu l'inverse de type, ce serra > un tag

Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Création de la liste OSM tagging-fr - communication - fragmentation

2017-08-22 Thread Christian Rogel
> Le 2017 Eost 22 à 17:44, Jean-Marc Liotier a écrit : > > On Tue, 22 Aug 2017 14:21:00 + > marc marc wrote: >> >> pour rebondir sur ton exemple, 16 ml locales, quasi + que d'actif. >> un paquet n'a pas eu de message cette année, une partie est

Re: [OSM-talk] Highway=trunk : harmonization between countries ?

2017-08-22 Thread Richard
On Tue, Aug 22, 2017 at 05:19:13PM +0100, Philip Barnes wrote: > >called differently, but this is it: > >https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:maxspeed:practical > > > Isn"t that going to be rather subjective? the number will be subjective. It is for the situations that can't be adequately

Re: [OSM-talk-fr] OSM à la plage;-) - rendu des côtes osm et osm-fr

2017-08-22 Thread Philippe Verdy
Le 22 août 2017 à 22:41, a écrit : > *Philippe, je parlait de la couleur de la Vilaine, au niveau du tuyau > surmonté d'une surface gravillonnée, j'ai du mal à penser à de belles > vallées à côté*. > Pas besoin de sortir de Rennes pour retrouver une couleur

[OSM-talk-fr] ligne de bus : tag network

2017-08-22 Thread marc marc
Le 22/08/2017 à 21:47, Noémie Lehuby a écrit : > On veut indiquer que les lignes (relations route_master) > et les parcours (relation route) appartiennent à un réseau. > On peut donc : > 1) mettre le nom du réseau sur les relations : tag network = > TransHauteGaronne > 2) mettre un

Re: [OSM-talk-fr] OSM à la plage;-) . Était : le festival de tout les highway :-)

2017-08-22 Thread Christian Rogel
> Le 2017 Eost 22 à 17:45, Philippe Verdy a écrit : > >> et jusqu'au début du XXe siècle c'était encore mutuellement intelligible >> avec le mannois de l'autre côté de la Manche) > > Sûrement pas le mannois (Île de Man) qui est une langue Q-celtique apparenté > à

Re: [OSM-talk] Highway=trunk : harmonization between countries ?

2017-08-22 Thread Richard
On Tue, Aug 22, 2017 at 05:24:02PM +0100, Lester Caine wrote: > On 22/08/17 17:19, Philip Barnes wrote: > >> called differently, but this is it: > >> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:maxspeed:practical > >> > > Isn"t that going to be rather subjective? > > And will depend on 'time of day'

Re: [OSM-talk] Highway=trunk : harmonization between countries ?

2017-08-22 Thread Richard
On Tue, Aug 22, 2017 at 10:00:07PM +0200, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > > > sent from a phone > > > On 22. Aug 2017, at 15:46, Richard wrote: > > > > called differently, but this is it: > > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:maxspeed:practical > > > yes, but

Re: [OSM-talk] Macromapping problems

2017-08-22 Thread Daniel Koć
W dniu 22.08.2017 o 22:29, Martin Koppenhoefer pisze: it's not easy for forests or similar things either, because they might be split (for good reason) into several smaller objects. What you need for good macro maps is generalization, i.e. merging together of similar things, reduction of

[OSM-ja] State of the Map2017 in Aizuwakamatsu開催報告と御礼

2017-08-22 Thread jun meguro
State of the Map2017 in Aizuwakamatsu実行委員会代表の目黒です。 去る8月18日から20日にかけて、State of the Map2017 in Aizuwakamatsu(以下SOTM)が開催されました。 概算ではありますが、来場者数は200名、3日間のべ参加者数は550名に登り、交通面での不利をものともしない盛大な規模となりました。(この他、スタッフボランティア参加38名、発表41件、ライトニングトーク16件、ワークショップ10件、県立博物館オプショナルツアー37名)

Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Bornes à incendie : proposition en cours d'écriture

2017-08-22 Thread François Lacombe
Bonsoir à tous, Le 21 août 2017 à 23:21, marc marc a écrit : > si tu les connais, préviens les qu'ils ne réagissent pas ici. > C'est fait ici : https://twitter.com/InfosReseaux/status/899711313781436420 > > il est vrai que la proposition concerne aussi le tag

Re: [OSM-talk] Macromapping problems

2017-08-22 Thread Daniel Koć
W dniu 22.08.2017 o 19:59, Oleksiy Muzalyev pisze: In fact I am working on a project in this field. I am mapping landuse of the South Ukraine http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=10/46.9634/31.5143 This is what I consider to be midzoom. You can see it here (and soon also on z8+on default map):

Re: [OSM-talk-fr] bus : lignes de transport en commun Haute-Garonne : réseau

2017-08-22 Thread Philippe Verdy
L'ennui c'et que toutes les applications qui ont commencé à utiliser network=* ont supposé que le nom indiqué derrière était unique, ce qu'il n'est pas. En fait ils voulaient que ce soit bien un identifiant. Comme cet identifiant rendu unique ne correspond pas au nom qu'on voudrait donner aux

Re: [OSM-talk-fr] bus : lignes de transport en commun Haute-Garonne : réseau

2017-08-22 Thread lenny.libre
Le 22/08/2017 à 21:47, Noémie Lehuby a écrit : Hello, Si je peux me permettre un petit résumé intermédiaire : On veut indiquer que les lignes (relations route_master) et les parcours (relation route) appartiennent à un réseau. Je laisse de côté pour le moment l'autre sujet sur le réseau sur

Re: [OSM-talk-fr] OSM à la plage;-) - rendu des côtes osm et osm-fr

2017-08-22 Thread osm . sanspourriel
Aparté : /une personne achète un journal en Gallois, le patron lui fait remarquer qu'il n'a pas acheté un journal en anglais mais en gallois. Cette personne lui traduit donc un article et lui explique que bretonnant il lit mieux le gallois que l'anglais./ C'est plus bizarre que ça pour le

Re: [OSM-talk] Macromapping problems

2017-08-22 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 22. Aug 2017, at 01:42, Daniel Koć wrote: > > Of course we can have some of them, but while landuses can be added quite > easily, it's different with the rest. it's not easy for forests or similar things either, because they might be split (for good

Re: [OSM-talk] Highway=trunk : harmonization between countries ?

2017-08-22 Thread Lester Caine
On 22/08/17 20:45, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > Generally it might be interesting to add a preference to routing engines > ("I'll be going 20 more than allowed where possible")? Actually that is a niggle with OSMAND ... it only allows a fixed over speed amount before warning ... what it should be

Re: [OSM-talk] Highway=trunk : harmonization between countries ?

2017-08-22 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 22. Aug 2017, at 15:46, Richard wrote: > > called differently, but this is it: > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:maxspeed:practical yes, but practical maxspeed depends a lot on your equipment and capabilities, and on other people driving

Re: [OSM-talk-fr] bus : lignes de transport en commun Haute-Garonne : réseau

2017-08-22 Thread Noémie Lehuby
Hello, Si je peux me permettre un petit résumé intermédiaire : On veut indiquer que les lignes (relations route_master) et les parcours (relation route) appartiennent à un réseau. Je laisse de côté pour le moment l'autre sujet sur le réseau sur d'autres objets. Je reprends mon exemple fictif

Re: [OSM-talk] Highway=trunk : harmonization between countries ?

2017-08-22 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 22. Aug 2017, at 14:40, Greg Troxel wrote: > > Another is in the US > where there are many roads signed 65 mph where traffic normally moves > at 80 mph. 80mph are 129kph, so I guess these are motorways or bigger roads? Maybe this should be fixed by

Re: [OSM-talk-fr] bus : lignes de transport en commun Haute-Garonne : réseau

2017-08-22 Thread marc marc
Le 22. 08. 17 à 20:32, lenny.libre a écrit : > Le 20/08/2017 à 12:02, marc marc a écrit : >>> - _"public_transport=platform"_ il me semble que les tags "network" >>> sont nécessaires, surtout lorsque l'objet n'est pas encore membre d'une >>> relation "route" ou "public_transport=stop_area" >> ce

Re: [OSM-talk] Highway=trunk : harmonization between countries ?

2017-08-22 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 22. Aug 2017, at 13:29, Colin Smale wrote: > > I don't understand why junction penalties should be dependent on the road > classes, and not on physical characteristics. I guess this is just a > heuristic which can be useful if you don't have the

Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Proposition tag voie verte

2017-08-22 Thread marc marc
Bonsoir, je suis tout a fait d'accord avec les tags Highway=path foot=designated bicycle=designated Par contre je ne comprend pas l'utilité d'ajouter systématiquement motor_vehicle=no puisqu'un path est déjà interdit aux véhicules motorisé tel qu'indiqué sur sa page wiki et sur la page des

Re: [OSM-talk-fr] bus : lignes de transport en commun Haute-Garonne : réseau

2017-08-22 Thread lenny.libre
Le 20/08/2017 à 12:02, marc marc a écrit : - _"public_transport=platform"_ il me semble que les tags "network" sont nécessaires, surtout lorsque l'objet n'est pas encore membre d'une relation "route" ou "public_transport=stop_area" ce n'est pas "pas utile", c'est erroné que de dire

Re: [OSM-talk-fr] bus : lignes de transport en commun Haute-Garonne : réseau

2017-08-22 Thread lenny.libre
ä la base,la discussion avait commencé parce que pour le réseau arc en ciel, le nom même du réseau est très hétéroclite et de plus 2 réseaux différents semblent exister en France avec ce nom. il aurait été pratique d'avoir 2 relations pour permettre au moins de classer les objets dans le bon

Re: [OSM-talk] Macromapping problems

2017-08-22 Thread Oleksiy Muzalyev
On 22.08.17 18:43, Daniel Koć wrote: W dniu 22.08.2017 o 08:38, Oleksiy Muzalyev pisze: Irkutsk Oblast has got an area larger than the area of say Germany, California, or France. The nature, woods, rivers, lakes, etc. there is amazing. It is one of the most beautiful regions of the planet.

Re: [OSM-talk] Macromapping problems

2017-08-22 Thread Daniel Koć
W dniu 22.08.2017 o 08:38, Oleksiy Muzalyev pisze: Irkutsk Oblast has got an area larger than the area of say Germany, California, or France. The nature, woods, rivers, lakes, etc. there is amazing. It is one of the most beautiful regions of the planet. Actually the whole territory at and

Re: [OSM-talk] Highway=trunk : harmonization between countries ?

2017-08-22 Thread Lester Caine
On 22/08/17 17:19, Philip Barnes wrote: >> called differently, but this is it: >> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:maxspeed:practical >> > Isn"t that going to be rather subjective? And will depend on 'time of day' ;) -- Lester Caine - G8HFL - Contact -

Re: [Talk-GB] Are Northern Ireland, Wales & England 'states'?

2017-08-22 Thread Lester Caine
On 22/08/17 12:23, Colin Smale wrote: > If you ask people where they live, they will probably talk about the > county level and the settlement/town/city, but the informal boundaries > of these settlements will likely not follow the administrative > boundaries. In fact, it may not be possible to

Re: [OSM-talk] Highway=trunk : harmonization between countries ?

2017-08-22 Thread Philip Barnes
On 22 August 2017 14:46:33 BST, Richard wrote: >On Tue, Aug 22, 2017 at 08:40:13AM -0400, Greg Troxel wrote: >> >> Two points: >> >> Speed limit does not describe the speeds that reasonably >responsible >> real people actually drive on roads. The UK/IE notion of 60

Re: [OSM-talk] Highway=trunk : harmonization between countries ?

2017-08-22 Thread Lester Caine
On 22/08/17 12:29, Colin Smale wrote: > I would like to take a closer look at your example route... Can you give > start and end locations? http://map.project-osrm.org/?z=11=52.149501%2C-1.577225=52.048797%2C-1.856918=52.258912%2C-1.619625=en=0 43.4km 33min Dragged to normal route via Mickleton

Re: [OSM-talk-fr] OSM à la plage;-) . Était : le festival de tout les highway :-)

2017-08-22 Thread Philippe Verdy
Le 22 août 2017 à 16:33, Christian Rogel a écrit : > > Le 2017 Eost 21 à 23:51, Philippe Verdy a écrit : > > > le breton est beaucoup plus ancien et se retrouve depuis plus de 13 > siècles un peu partour en Europe du Nord jusqu'au royaume

Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Création de la liste OSM tagging-fr - communication - fragmentation

2017-08-22 Thread Jean-Marc Liotier
On Tue, 22 Aug 2017 14:21:00 + marc marc wrote: > > pour rebondir sur ton exemple, 16 ml locales, quasi + que d'actif. > un paquet n'a pas eu de message cette année, une partie est à 1/mois > n'est-on pas allez trop loin ? 5 ne serraient-ils pas suffisant ? Une

Re: [OSM-talk-fr] tag network sur les lignes de bus

2017-08-22 Thread marc marc
Le 22. 08. 17 à 16:32, lenny.libre a écrit : > Le 20/08/2017 à 12:02, marc marc a écrit : >> Le 20. 08. 17 à 11:20, lenny.libre a écrit : >>> 4- Bien que le wiki l'indique sur chaque objet, >> quelle page ? > indiqué sur chaque objet, mais avec des degrés d'importance : >

Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Retour sur le State of the Map 2017 (Japon)

2017-08-22 Thread PanierAvide
Bonjour, Les slides des présentations doivent être mises à disposition par l'équipe du SoTM si je me souviens bien. Je n'ai pas réussi à les trouver par ailleurs, peut-être contacter Frederik Ramm directement ? Cordialement, Adrien. Le 22/08/2017 à 16:51, François Lacombe a écrit :

Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Retour sur le State of the Map 2017 (Japon)

2017-08-22 Thread François Lacombe
Bonjour Adrien et merci pour ce compte rendu. Je serai très intéressé par le comparatif sur les outils de routage. Est-ce qu'il y a de la documentation quelque part ou les slides sont visibles en ligne ? Je ne connaissais pas bute de geofabrik par exemple A+ François *François Lacombe* fl

Re: [OSM-talk-fr] OSM à la plage;-) . Était : le festival de tout les highway :-)

2017-08-22 Thread Christian Rogel
> Le 2017 Eost 21 à 23:51, Philippe Verdy a écrit : > > le breton est beaucoup plus ancien et se retrouve depuis plus de 13 siècles > un peu partour en Europe du Nord jusqu'au royaume de Suède Vrai, on a un texte (lexique de médecin herboriste) qui daté du milieu du

Re: [OSM-talk-fr] bus : lignes de transport en commun Haute-Garonne : réseau

2017-08-22 Thread lenny.libre
Le 20/08/2017 à 12:02, marc marc a écrit : Le 20. 08. 17 à 11:20, lenny.libre a écrit : 4- Bien que le wiki l'indique sur chaque objet, quelle page ? indiqué sur chaque objet, mais avec des degrés d'importance : https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Public_transport "recommended"

Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Création de la liste OSM tagging-fr - communication - fragmentation

2017-08-22 Thread marc marc
Le 22. 08. 17 à 03:13, Vincent de Château-Thierry a écrit : > Le 21/08/2017 à 12:51, marc marc a écrit : >> De toute façon à mes yeux, le cas est limpide et caricatural. >> Un inconnu arrive sans discussion pour présenter son "bébé" et ne dit >> pas un mot aux réaction, c'est un projet purement

[Talk-cz] WeeklyOSM CZ 369

2017-08-22 Thread Tom Ka
Ahoj, je dostupné vydání 369 týdeníku WeeklyOSM: http://www.weeklyosm.eu/cz/archives/9374 * Další kvartální pivo se blíží. * Body záchrany jako otevřená data? * Opilý lyžař na freemap.sk. * Sociální inženýrství a OSM. * Vícejazyčné oblasti v OSM. * Proběhlo SotM 2017. * Záplavy v Nepálu. *

[OSM-talk-fr] Retour sur le State of the Map 2017 (Japon)

2017-08-22 Thread PanierAvide
Bonjour à tous, Cette année, trois contributeurs français se sont rendus à la rencontre annuelle mondiale d'OpenStreetMap : le State of the Map, qui se déroulait au Japon. Un retour d'expérience (écrit collaborativement) est disponible sur : http://openstreetmap.fr/sotm-japon-2017

Re: [OSM-talk] Highway=trunk : harmonization between countries ?

2017-08-22 Thread Richard
On Tue, Aug 22, 2017 at 08:40:13AM -0400, Greg Troxel wrote: > > Two points: > > Speed limit does not describe the speeds that reasonably responsible > real people actually drive on roads. The UK/IE notion of 60 mph on > all roads out of village centers is one example. Another is in the

Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Création de la liste OSM tagging-fr

2017-08-22 Thread lenny.libre
Le 20/08/2017 à 00:12, marc marc a écrit : Bonsoir, Le 19. 08. 17 à 22:16, Severin Menard a écrit : annoncer la création de la liste de discussion OSM tagging-fr C'est en soi une très bonne idée que de fédérer la francophonie. Mais quand je vois que pour la discussion de certains tag, on

Re: [Talk-GB] Are Northern Ireland, Wales & England 'states'?

2017-08-22 Thread Colin Smale
Of course. But accuracy (perhaps correctness is a better word here) is relative to some frame of reference. What is right under some circumstances can be wrong under other circumstances. If you are a postman, you have a different view of toponymy than a local government official, a visitor or a

Re: [OSM-talk-fr] bus : lignes de transport en commun Haute-Garonne : réseau

2017-08-22 Thread Christian Quest
Les ref stables et id wikidata permettent à des scripts d'accéder sans équivoque aux infos. Les name (pourquoi pas network:name) sont destinés à des humains... les deux se complètent et pour l'instant network=* fait (mal) un peu les deux. Dans beaucoup de scripts, j'utilise les ref:INSEE

Re: [OSM-talk-fr] le festival de tout les highway :-)

2017-08-22 Thread marc marc
Le 21. 08. 17 à 21:35, djakk djakk a écrit : > une route primaire en même temps living_street c'est simple, tu > mets ce panneau carré bleu avec des piétons et une "limitation à 20 > km/h" incrusté sur un des axes les plus importants d'une ville Si rien d'autre n'a été fait, c'est 0/20 pour le

Re: [Talk-GB] Select and correct a discovered key duplication of sorts in JOSM

2017-08-22 Thread David Groom
Alternatively in JOSM: File > Download from Overpass API Then put ref:Chiltern_Society = * in the text box next to "Build query", then click "Build Query". Next select download area, and then click "Download" David -- Original Message -- From: "Bob Hawkins"

Re: [Talk-GB] Are Northern Ireland, Wales & England 'states'?

2017-08-22 Thread Dave F
Accurate *as possible* On 22/08/2017 13:59, Colin Smale wrote: That depends on your definition of "accurate", doesn't it? On 2017-08-22 14:15, Dave F wrote: But a query to the OSM database isn't interested in what 'locals' misinterpret, it's interested in what OSM returns. The ignorance

Re: [Talk-GB] Are Northern Ireland, Wales & England 'states'?

2017-08-22 Thread Colin Smale
That depends on your definition of "accurate", doesn't it? On 2017-08-22 14:15, Dave F wrote: > But a query to the OSM database isn't interested in what 'locals' > misinterpret, it's interested in what OSM returns. > > The ignorance of the person on the street is just one reason why OSM needs

Re: [OSM-talk] Highway=trunk : harmonization between countries ?

2017-08-22 Thread Greg Troxel
Lester Caine writes: >> I'm afraid that you can't use speed_limit : on small roads, the official >> speed_limit is not signed but follows the default one (90km/h in France >> even on a lanes=1.5 road !). > > Single carriageway roads here are 60MPH out of town and 30MPH in

Re: [OSM-talk-fr] bus : lignes de transport en commun Haute-Garonne : réseau

2017-08-22 Thread marc marc
Le 21. 08. 17 à 23:20, osm.sanspourr...@spamgourmet.com a écrit : >> MM> puisqu'il est mieux de faire sans relation network, >> MM> le débat est rouvert sur comment les séparer facilement. J>>> network:wikidata ... MM>> cela implique de dépendre de wikipedia pour afficher/trouver le nom MM>>

Re: [Talk-GB] Are Northern Ireland, Wales & England 'states'?

2017-08-22 Thread Dave F
But a query to the OSM database isn't interested in what 'locals' misinterpret, it's interested in what OSM returns. The ignorance of the person on the street is just one reason why OSM needs to exist & be as accurate as possible. DaveF On 22/08/2017 12:50, Andy Townsend wrote: On

Re: [Talk-GB] Are Northern Ireland, Wales & England 'states'?

2017-08-22 Thread Dave F
OSM is geospatially aware. I'm unsure why there's a reluctance to use it. is_in tags are far more "incomplete and imperfect" than boundaries. Boundaries are maintained far more than the antiquated is_in:*. *Every* entity will require a full set of is_in tags to be workable. If an entity is in

Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Création de la liste OSM tagging-fr

2017-08-22 Thread PanierAvide
C'est un sujet que l'on a évoqué de manière informelle avec Florian, le fait d'avoir une communication plus régulière et plus visible sur ce qui se passe au niveau national et local. L'équilibre est à trouver entre le temps nécessaire pour rédiger des articles/nouvelles (tâche plutôt

Re: [Talk-GB] Are Northern Ireland, Wales & England 'states'?

2017-08-22 Thread Colin Smale
On 2017-08-22 13:50, Andy Townsend wrote: > On 22/08/2017 12:23, Colin Smale wrote: > What would a "local" answer? > > Good luck getting a consistent answer to that :) > > http://ma3t.co.uk/euanmills/euanmills/tifd.html Wow, I rest my case... Although he seems to have asked people who were

Re: [Talk-GB] Are Northern Ireland, Wales & England 'states'?

2017-08-22 Thread Andy Townsend
On 22/08/2017 12:23, Colin Smale wrote:  What would a "local" answer? Good luck getting a consistent answer to that :) http://ma3t.co.uk/euanmills/euanmills/tifd.html Best Regards, Andy (and apologies in advance for anyone upset by small-font profanity in the link)

Re: [Talk-GB] Are Northern Ireland, Wales & England 'states'?

2017-08-22 Thread Dave F
The main one I came across was is_in:continent=Europe. I asked why there wasn't one. The conclusion was no one could agree where the boundary actually was. Saying that, I'm unsure if specifying is_in:continent=Europe is that beneficial. Also many local authority political ward boundaries

Re: [OSM-talk] Highway=trunk : harmonization between countries ?

2017-08-22 Thread Marc Gemis
Did you try with e.g. MapFactor Navigator, which has settings for your preference of 8 road categories + maxspeed inside & outside towns ? Just being curious. regards m On Tue, Aug 22, 2017 at 1:13 PM, Lester Caine wrote: > On 22/08/17 11:41, Colin Smale wrote: >> I agree,

Re: [OSM-talk] Highway=trunk : harmonization between countries ?

2017-08-22 Thread Colin Smale
The road classification suggests a default maxspeed, in the absence of more explicit information. I don't understand why junction penalties should be dependent on the road classes, and not on physical characteristics. I guess this is just a heuristic which can be useful if you don't have the full

Re: [Talk-GB] Are Northern Ireland, Wales & England 'states'?

2017-08-22 Thread Colin Smale
Let's have some use cases out on the table... if my location is {lat,lon}, where am I? What answer am I expecting? Postal address? Town or other settlement? The local council? What would a "local" answer? In the UK, the hierarchy of admin boundaries is incomplete and imperfect - there are

Re: [OSM-talk] Highway=trunk : harmonization between countries ?

2017-08-22 Thread Lester Caine
On 22/08/17 11:41, Colin Smale wrote: > I agree, classification should be largely irrelevant to routing. > Routing needs timings from node to node, which are best derived from > bendiness, number of lanes, junctions etc and then capped to the legal > maximum. A four-lane secondary, primary, trunk

Re: [OSM-talk] Highway=trunk : harmonization between countries ?

2017-08-22 Thread Lester Caine
On 22/08/17 11:16, djakk djakk wrote: > Lester, why the little "main road" was not tagged as a tertiary road ? The 'minor' roads are 'both secondary and tertiary' ... one example used to be the 'trunk' road A46 but is now 'secondary' B4632, so many of the routers using OSM data use the 'new' A46

Re: [Talk-GB] [Talk-gb-london] New OSM London Meetup - Invite

2017-08-22 Thread Andres Muniz Piniella
Hi, new to OSM edit. I live in an estate TW10 7NY. Currently 192 homes and it is at risk of redevelopment in to make 425 homes. There is also a community project to document historical features so I want to thank you for this guidance. It will be helpful to edit entries.  Regards,  Andres On Mon,

Re: [OSM-talk] Highway=trunk : harmonization between countries ?

2017-08-22 Thread Colin Smale
I agree, classification should be largely irrelevant to routing. Routing needs timings from node to node, which are best derived from bendiness, number of lanes, junctions etc and then capped to the legal maximum. A four-lane secondary, primary, trunk or motorway will all have the same effective

[Talk-gb-westmidlands] Research contributions needed www.3dosm.com

2017-08-22 Thread Alfie Kelly
Hello, I am an M.Sc. researcher with the University of Nottingham and am currently conducting a research study regarding the potential for 3D building data collection by OSM users and the crowd. I am particularly interested in people’s motivations for collecting 3D building information and

Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Création de la liste OSM tagging-fr

2017-08-22 Thread Christian Rogel
> Le 22 août 2017 à 11:46, PanierAvide a écrit : > +1, le Japon c'est pas la porte à côté ;-) On va sortir d'ici peu (fin de > semaine au plus tard) un billet sur le site openstreetmap.fr pour faire un > retour sur ce qui s'y est passé. En attendant, un certain nombre de

Re: [OSM-talk] Highway=trunk : harmonization between countries ?

2017-08-22 Thread djakk djakk
Yes Martin, I meant "physical characteristics". In the US, a road is tagged "trunk" according to its physical characteristics, as Greg said previously in this thread. Le mar. 22 août 2017 à 11:06, Martin Koppenhoefer a écrit : > > > sent from a phone > > > On 21. Aug

[OSM-talk-fr] [ortho] serveur scratch osm.tetaneutral.net

2017-08-22 Thread Laurent GUERBY
Bonjour, Le serveur "scratch" orthophoto pour faire des tests de dimensionnement est en place et les cles ssh root aussi (manque celle de Christian, pas reçue ?). https://pad.tetaneutral.net/p/osm << * Debian 9 stretch amd64 * Ryzen 1700 8C/16T 3 GHz * 64G de RAM  (swap desactivé) * Disques 5

Re: [OSM-talk] Highway=trunk : harmonization between countries ?

2017-08-22 Thread djakk djakk
Lester, why the little "main road" was not tagged as a tertiary road ? I'm afraid that you can't use speed_limit : on small roads, the official speed_limit is not signed but follows the default one (90km/h in France even on a lanes=1.5 road !). Le mar. 22 août 2017 à 11:16, Lester Caine

Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Création de la liste OSM tagging-fr

2017-08-22 Thread PanierAvide
+1, le Japon c'est pas la porte à côté ;-) On va sortir d'ici peu (fin de semaine au plus tard) un billet sur le site openstreetmap.fr pour faire un retour sur ce qui s'y est passé. En attendant, un certain nombre de photos sont sur Twitter [1] et Flickr [2]. Adrien. [1]

Re: [OSM-talk] Highway=trunk : harmonization between countries ?

2017-08-22 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 21. Aug 2017, at 22:09, djakk djakk wrote: > > Actualy, "highway=*" shuffles importance and characteristic of roads. May we > add an "importance" key to roads ? highway is generally about grid importance and in some cases also about legal

Re: [OSM-talk] Highway=trunk : harmonization between countries ?

2017-08-22 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 19. Aug 2017, at 21:29, Marc Gemis wrote: > > As you can see from > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Highway:International_equivalence, > trunk roads are defined differently in many countries. If you look at > e.g. Denmark, a trunk road needs a

Re: [OSM-talk] Highway=trunk : harmonization between countries ?

2017-08-22 Thread Lester Caine
On 21/08/17 21:09, djakk djakk wrote: > Actualy, "highway=*" shuffles importance and characteristic of roads. > May we add an "importance" key to roads ? Having spent the last week using OSMAND to navigate around the Welsh/Cheshire border area (UK ;) ), the 'importance' of roads is something of a

Re: [Talk-GB] Are Northern Ireland, Wales & England 'states'?

2017-08-22 Thread Lester Caine
On 12/08/17 13:12, Dave F wrote: > I also think the 'is_in:country_code' along with all 'is-_in' tags are > redundant if there's a boundary tag.. In the past I thought that the is_in element was something of a problem, but it does have a place when one remembers that OSM is all about the data.

Re: [Talk-in] Tagging service roads of National Highways

2017-08-22 Thread Naveen Francis
tagging guidelines for NHs https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/India:Tags/Highway On 22 August 2017 at 12:18, Srihari Thalla wrote: > Hi, > > The secondary tag seems more appropriate for the area I have shared. > Thanks for the Wiki link. I'll update the roads. > > On

Re: [Talk-cz] FYI: Body záchrany v pražských lesích

2017-08-22 Thread Marián Kyral
-- Původní e-mail -- Od: Jan Martinec Komu: OpenStreetMap Czech Republic Datum: 14. 8. 2017 16:19:26 Předmět: [Talk-cz] FYI: Body záchrany v pražských lesích "Ahoj, Lesy Prahy zveřejnily sadu "Bodů záchrany" (tabulky typu "jsem u

[Talk-us] Whole-US Garmin Map update - 2017-08-20

2017-08-22 Thread Dave Hansen
These are based off of Lambertus's work here: http://garmin.openstreetmap.nl If you have questions or comments about these maps, please feel free to ask. However, please do not send me private mail. The odds are, someone else will have the same questions, and by asking on the talk-us@

Re: [OSM-fi] Finnish National Registry of Social and Health care Providers as POIs

2017-08-22 Thread Äijälä Tero
Hi, I created the page as suggested here: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/ODA/Finnish_SOTE_registry_import. Will try a smaller upload first for one city, for example Tampere. There are definitely existing POIs for many of the service providers, uploaded by individual users or the

Re: [Talk-in] Tagging service roads of National Highways

2017-08-22 Thread Srihari Thalla
Hi, The secondary tag seems more appropriate for the area I have shared. Thanks for the Wiki link. I'll update the roads. On Tue, 22 Aug 2017 at 12:06 I Chengappa wrote: > hi > > It definitely should not be trunk_link. > > The advice at

Re: [OSM-talk] Macromapping problems

2017-08-22 Thread Oleksiy Muzalyev
On 22.08.17 01:42, Daniel Koć wrote: ... That's probably why we have Asia mapped as a node in the middle of nowhere: http://www.openstreetmap.org/node/36966065 ... Good morning Daniel, This node is in the Irkutsk Oblast [1]. I was born and lived there for a while. Irkutsk Oblast has got

Re: [Talk-in] Tagging service roads of National Highways

2017-08-22 Thread I Chengappa
hi It definitely should not be trunk_link. The advice at https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Frontage_road is that it should be tagged as a minor road as compared to the major road. The tagging level should depend on its function in local connectivity i.e. how important it is in connecting local