Re: [talk-ph] testing new OSM-Philippines Garmin routable (20090128)

2009-02-11 Per discussione Ed Garcia
Thanks for this Maning ... will of course be more than happy to help test it But, first, how do I get this .img file into mapsource then to my garmin 276C? My problem is, the SD card for the 276C is a garmin specific (non-generic) card. And so, I could not put the .img file via a card reader

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Okay to trace from public-domain USGS DOQs?

2009-02-11 Per discussione Andy Allan
On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 8:27 PM, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: A co-worker of yours, CloudMade's very own Andy Allan, had this to say about the topic: Just as well that none of us are lawyers then, eh? :-) Cheers, Andy ___ legal-talk

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Okay to trace from public-domain USGS DOQs?

2009-02-11 Per discussione Russ Nelson
On Feb 11, 2009, at 3:27 PM, Frederik Ramm wrote: you're basically asking whether a PD source retains its PD status even if channeled through a number of probably non-PD services. This is no different from the question: If the OSM database is licensed X, and if I put some data in there

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Okay to trace from public-domain USGS DOQs?

2009-02-11 Per discussione Jukka Rahkonen
Russ Nelson r...@... writes: or since the original imagery is available from somewhere as PD just bypassing any doubt and go upstream. Haven't been able to find an alternative source. Suggestions appreciated. http://seamless.usgs.gov/website/seamless/viewer.htm -Jukka-

[OSM-talk] OSM on The Reg

2009-02-11 Per discussione D Tucny
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/02/10/brum_map/ Couple of nice links there, both to the map and the home page... Comments in the comments section are largely at the same level of positiveness and understanding as is largely normal on the reg these days (read mostly negative)... d

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM on The Reg

2009-02-11 Per discussione Ed Loach
I saw this yesterday and wondered why it took El Reg so long to report on this? The announcement made these mailing lists on 23rd December last year. Ed From: talk-boun...@openstreetmap.org [mailto:talk-boun...@openstreetmap.org] On Behalf Of D Tucny Sent: 11 February 2009 09:31 To: Talk

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM on The Reg

2009-02-11 Per discussione Tim Waters (chippy)
Interesting how a few of the comments echo the early Wikipedia criticisms, and miss the point about open data. 2009/2/11 Ed Loach e...@loach.me.uk: I saw this yesterday and wondered why it took El Reg so long to report on this? The announcement made these mailing lists on 23rd December last

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM on The Reg

2009-02-11 Per discussione Steve Chilton
I am just waiting for David Earl or someone else to comment on the firstness statement! Cheers STEVE Steve Chilton, Learning Support Fellow Manager of e-Learning Academic Development Centre for Educational Technology Middlesex University phone/fax: 020 8411 5355 email: ste...@mdx.ac.uk

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM on The Reg

2009-02-11 Per discussione Gert Gremmen
On of the comments: I took a look, and blow me down, my road was missing. So I registered, and tried to add it. I failed. A project that's all about the people adding the roads, and I couldn't for the life of me work out how to add a road. An Add Road option, maybe? Oooh no, nothing like

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM on The Reg

2009-02-11 Per discussione Shaun McDonald
On 11 Feb 2009, at 11:37, Gert Gremmen wrote: On of the comments: I took a look, and blow me down, my road was missing. So I registered, and tried to add it. I failed. A project that's all about the people adding the roads, and I couldn't for the life of me work out how to add a

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM on The Reg

2009-02-11 Per discussione Kenneth Gonsalves
On Wednesday 11 February 2009 17:07:18 Gert Gremmen wrote: I took a look, and blow me down, my road was missing. So I registered, and tried to add it. I failed. A project that's all about the people adding the roads, and I couldn't for the life of me work out how to add a road. An Add

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM on The Reg

2009-02-11 Per discussione Gert Gremmen
When you start potlatch there is a welcome screen with the options start, play, and help. Once you are beyond that screen there is only the help wiki link in the left side bar, which doesn't point to any useful help The concept of an editor is already too complex for most people. This guy

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM on The Reg

2009-02-11 Per discussione Kenneth Gonsalves
On Wednesday 11 February 2009 17:48:03 Gert Gremmen wrote: Kenneth: does *any* mapping app have an option like 'add road'? Do you know any mapping application accessible for everyone having internet ??? yes. OSM. And there is a limit to the extent that we can dumb down the interface

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM on The Reg

2009-02-11 Per discussione Richard Fairhurst
Gert Gremmen wrote: The current concept is good for geeks , like you and me, and people that are really interested. The geeks are on-board ( 1). Now it's time to create a user interface for the rest of the world. Yes, I agree absolutely (wow, Gert and I agree on something :) ).

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM on The Reg

2009-02-11 Per discussione Richard Fairhurst
Shaun McDonald wrote: I have created: http://trac.openstreetmap.org/ticket/1584 for RichardF. :) Thanks. Of course, the other thing we could do is rescue the wiki from trainwreck territory. cheers Richard -- View this message in context:

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM on The Reg

2009-02-11 Per discussione David Earl
On 11/02/2009 12:05, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: On Wednesday 11 February 2009 17:07:18 Gert Gremmen wrote: An Add Road option, maybe? Oooh no, nothing like that. does *any* mapping app have an option like 'add road'? Indeed, but his misunderstanding is even more fundamental than that.

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM on The Reg

2009-02-11 Per discussione Jonas Svensson
On Wed, 11 Feb 2009, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: yes. OSM. And there is a limit to the extent that we can dumb down the interface without compromising usefulness. How would 'add a road' work? I cannot even begin to dream of how to code such a thing. Just guessing: That kind of user might be

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM on The Reg

2009-02-11 Per discussione Richard Fairhurst
Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: And there is a limit to the extent that we can dumb down the interface without compromising usefulness. How would 'add a road' work? I cannot even begin to dream of how to code such a thing. Have a look at Google MapMaker. We don't have to dumb down; we can offer

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM on The Reg

2009-02-11 Per discussione Kenneth Gonsalves
On Wednesday 11 February 2009 18:10:32 Jonas Svensson wrote: On Wed, 11 Feb 2009, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: yes. OSM. And there is a limit to the extent that we can dumb down the interface without compromising usefulness. How would 'add a road' work? I cannot even begin to dream of how to

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM on The Reg

2009-02-11 Per discussione Someoneelse
Indeed, but his misunderstanding is even more fundamental than that. Or just trolling. It wouldn't be the first time on a Register comments page. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk

[OSM-talk] New Map Warper

2009-02-11 Per discussione Tim Waters (chippy)
Hi, I'd like to announce the release of the latest Map Warper image rectifier application, designed with OSM in mind. http://warper.geothings.net/ You may have seen or used the older application, this one has got a few more bells and whistles, including: * Search for maps. * Users

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM on The Reg

2009-02-11 Per discussione Andy Deakin
For very simple editing, would it not be possible to use the vector features in openlayers? http://openlayers.org/dev/examples/vector-formats.html Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: On Wednesday 11 February 2009 18:10:32 Jonas Svensson wrote: On Wed, 11 Feb 2009, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote:

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM on The Reg

2009-02-11 Per discussione Gert Gremmen
what about the rest of the road between the start and end? modify road - click for inserting angle/node or whatever sounds best modify road - click to add name / click to define road type (picture assisted)/ click for one-way / click for smoothness (; After all, it's not difficult, just

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM on The Reg

2009-02-11 Per discussione Adam Schreiber
On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 7:43 AM, David Earl da...@frankieandshadow.com wrote: On 11/02/2009 12:05, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: On Wednesday 11 February 2009 17:07:18 Gert Gremmen wrote: An Add Road option, maybe? Oooh no, nothing like that. does *any* mapping app have an option like 'add

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM on The Reg

2009-02-11 Per discussione Andy Allan
On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 12:31 PM, Richard Fairhurst rich...@systemed.net wrote: If future-Potlatch were to become _an_ editor available on the main site rather than _the_ editor, I'd be very happy. Of course, CloudMade might already be working on this - can anyone from CM confirm/otherwise?

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM on The Reg

2009-02-11 Per discussione Kærast
On Wed, 11 Feb 2009 08:08:05 -0500 Adam Schreiber sa...@clemson.edu wrote: I agree, there should be some slight barrier to entry in which the mapper learns about communitty standards for adding data, especially dervied data. The reason Google's MyMaps can allow just about anything is that

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM on The Reg

2009-02-11 Per discussione Adam Schreiber
On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 8:19 AM, Kærast kaer...@qvox.org wrote: On Wed, 11 Feb 2009 08:08:05 -0500 Adam Schreiber sa...@clemson.edu wrote: I agree, there should be some slight barrier to entry in which the mapper learns about communitty standards for adding data, especially dervied data.

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM on The Reg

2009-02-11 Per discussione Russ Nelson
On Feb 11, 2009, at 7:43 AM, David Earl wrote: Indeed, but his misunderstanding is even more fundamental than that. Where did he get the location of his road from? Guessing, from where the other roads are? My thought about the OSM philosophy towards editing is incremental improvements,

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM on The Reg

2009-02-11 Per discussione Russ Nelson
On Feb 11, 2009, at 7:27 AM, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: work? I cannot even begin to dream of how to code such a thing. Here's how to dream of it: ask a newbie what they expect. Write down the steps. Try to code them. If you can, you're done. If not, then go back and ask the newbie for

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM on The Reg

2009-02-11 Per discussione Russ Nelson
On Feb 11, 2009, at 6:37 AM, Gert Gremmen wrote: I think he is representative for a lot newbies Probably. Been to Wikimapia.org lately? They now have shapes on their POI database. The method for drawing shapes is VERY simple. LIke this: o Click Add place o Move the corners of

[OSM-talk] [Fwd: Trafficman Map from Android]

2009-02-11 Per discussione simon
A friend high-lighted this app, it isn't on the OSM wiki so perhaps people don't know about it Cheers, Mungewell. Original Message Hello, I just found an app TrafficManMaps For my google phone which allows me To see openstreetmaps

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM on The Reg

2009-02-11 Per discussione Claudius Henrichs
Am 11.02.2009 13:18, Gert Gremmen: Kenneth: does *any* mapping app have an option like 'add road'? Do you know any mapping application accessible for everyone having internet ??? *cough* http://www.google.com/mapmaker *cough* btw. They have expanded the list of supported countries to 160 :-o

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM on The Reg

2009-02-11 Per discussione Renaud Martinet
I thought that last summer after SOTM, there was some desire to build a system similar to OSB but integrated to the main site and opensource. There was even a talk about having a hack weekend (or day?) in London but unfortunately I can't find any trace of it. It probably disappeared due to the

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM on The Reg

2009-02-11 Per discussione Hurricane McEwen
I agree with Gert on the fact that 'the concept is good for geeks' but it IS time to create a user interface for the rest of the world. I have held a few mapping parties, trying to get more hikers, cyclists, retired folk who love maps, involved with OSM but with the barrier that OSM isn't

[OSM-talk] Proposed Feature/Marketplace coming up, please help me polish this.

2009-02-11 Per discussione Aun Johnsen (via Webmail)
Hi After seeing a discussion on talk-br, I found that we are missing a tag for outdoor marketplaces, and made a proposal at http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Marketplace If you could help me get this polished so that we can have it voted for quickly, as this is a feature we

Re: [OSM-talk] New Map Warper

2009-02-11 Per discussione Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 1:06 PM, Tim Waters (chippy) chippy2...@gmail.com wrote: I'd like to announce the release of the latest Map Warper image rectifier application, designed with OSM in mind. http://warper.geothings.net/ Firstly thanks for working on this, it's a very useful application

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM on The Reg

2009-02-11 Per discussione Matthias Julius
Claudius Henrichs claudiu...@gmx.de writes: Am 11.02.2009 13:18, Gert Gremmen: Kenneth: does *any* mapping app have an option like 'add road'? Do you know any mapping application accessible for everyone having internet ??? *cough* http://www.google.com/mapmaker *cough* And the thing is

Re: [OSM-talk] New Map Warper

2009-02-11 Per discussione Tim Waters (chippy)
2009/2/11 Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason ava...@gmail.com: On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 1:06 PM, Tim Waters (chippy) chippy2...@gmail.com wrote: I'd like to announce the release of the latest Map Warper image rectifier application, designed with OSM in mind. http://warper.geothings.net/ Firstly thanks

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM on The Reg

2009-02-11 Per discussione Yann Coupin
I had never played with it, so I gave it a quick try, and it's probably a bit easier to use than potlatch. Here's what they say in their help page: http://sites.google.com/site/mapmakeruserhelp/making-maps But I think that the way it works, while good for beginners, is probably slow and

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM on The Reg

2009-02-11 Per discussione Someoneelse
I had a look at Google Mapmaker as well (I'd not used it before either). Frankly, it seems a bit pants: When trying to use it it asked me to Please zoom in to browse features in the current map view but on the same screen said We are sorry, but we don't have maps at this zoom level for this

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM on The Reg

2009-02-11 Per discussione Ian Dees
On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 1:13 PM, Someoneelse li...@mail.atownsend.org.ukwrote: Maybe something more akin to openstreetbugs plus a simple guided way to add one feature at a time should be integrated into OSM, but I wouldn't use GMM as an example except of what not to do! Maybe it's because I

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM on The Reg

2009-02-11 Per discussione Matthias Julius
Someoneelse li...@mail.atownsend.org.uk writes: Maybe something more akin to openstreetbugs plus a simple guided way to add one feature at a time should be integrated into OSM, but I wouldn't use GMM as an example except of what not to do! We certainly should not try to emulate their bugs.

Re: [OSM-talk] [OSM-dev] SVN rails_port questions: browse, relicensing

2009-02-11 Per discussione Simone Cortesi
On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 8:09 PM, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: But could you perhaps check your code and see whether you have an option in there that allows the user not only to select agree/disagree but also the third option, agree and PD. And if such an option is not in there,

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM on The Reg

2009-02-11 Per discussione MP
The concept of an editor is already too complex for most people. This guy searches for command buttons corresponding to it's first desire: add a road, or add a cycleway, or change road, Then let them add road (highway=road) and then let the geeks figure out if it is secondary, residential,

[OSM-legal-talk] Okay to trace from public-domain USGS DOQs?

2009-02-11 Per discussione Russ Nelson
Is it okay to trace into OSM from the public-domain USGS Topographic and DOQ (Digital Orthographic Quads) aerial imagery? I think the answer there should be clearly yes. Now let me ask a question whose answer I think is still yes. What if those tiles came from Microsoft's Terraserver-USA

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Okay to trace from public-domain USGS DOQs?

2009-02-11 Per discussione Frederik Ramm
Russ, you're basically asking whether a PD source retains its PD status even if channeled through a number of probably non-PD services. This is no different from the question: If the OSM database is licensed X, and if I put some data in there which is PD, can someone else then extract this

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Okay to trace from public-domain USGS DOQs?

2009-02-11 Per discussione Liz
On Thu, 12 Feb 2009, Russ Nelson wrote:  All of  these are protected uses of a copyrighted work. but not necessarily in every legal domain. This is the law in Au, and presumably in US, from where I believe you are writing, but we have no evidence from elsewhere provided yet. Case law in Au

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM on The Reg

2009-02-11 Per discussione Someoneelse
... But, are there any elements in their user interface that are nice to have (if they work right)? I didn't get that far, to be honest. If it helps, the things that I found confusing about Potlatch 6 months or so ago were the same things that have been discussed here before - where's the

Re: [OSM-talk] [OSM-dev] SVN rails_port questions: browse, relicensing

2009-02-11 Per discussione Tom Hughes
Simone Cortesi wrote: On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 8:09 PM, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: But could you perhaps check your code and see whether you have an option in there that allows the user not only to select agree/disagree but also the third option, agree and PD. And if such an

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM on The Reg

2009-02-11 Per discussione Tim Waters (chippy)
2009/2/11 Someoneelse li...@mail.atownsend.org.uk: One thing that might be useful would be some sort of My OSM or a saved play mode feature* - Now, that would be an interesting idea - being able to access all your edits and the history of these in one place.

[OSM-talk] Shp2osm progress?

2009-02-11 Per discussione Sam Vekemans
Hi, wondering if there is any progress on the script? I'm looking to make the wiki more simpiler to show the process. I downloaded python, but im lost as to how to make it work. Thanks, Sam ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org

[OSM-talk] Fwd: Interesting Project

2009-02-11 Per discussione Hurricane McEwen
GPS tracks of skiing in the backcountry, helicopters and ski areas. http://www.avalanchemapping.org/ ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk

[OSM-talk] Any oziexplorer CE users in here? Help required

2009-02-11 Per discussione Tanveer Singh
Hi, I am currently trying out oziexplorer on my my c320 It loads up fine, runs fine, but there is a slight problem. It does not load up the maps automatically. I basically use taho.pl to download multiple map and png files, after which I use the img2oxzf3 script to convert the date into the format

Re: [OSM-talk] Shp2osm progress?

2009-02-11 Per discussione Ian Dees
On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 6:35 PM, Sam Vekemans acrosscanadatra...@gmail.comwrote: Hi, wondering if there is any progress on the script? I'm looking to make the wiki more simpiler to show the process. I downloaded python, but im lost as to how to make it work. There are a couple others, but

Re: [OSM-talk] Android OSM Navigation (AndNav.org)

2009-02-11 Per discussione Nicolas Gramlich
Hi guys, we've just finished a neat new feature for AndNav2. You can now submit Nodes (POIs) directly from AndNav2 to the OSM-Server. Example: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/node/344556532 If you didn't yet know, we also support FreeThePostCode and OpenStreetBugs through their APIs. So

[OSM-talk] Avg speed per way

2009-02-11 Per discussione Gary G:
good morning! so - i just created a wiki page for the topic above. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Average_speed_per_way i would be glad if you'd share your information there. i am especially interested in the discussions (links) held before. gerhard gary68

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] Verschuiving WGS1984 tov RD stelsel

2009-02-11 Per discussione Dirk Bussche
Ik heb geen idee waarom dit zo is maar wij ervaren dit fenomeen ook. Geen verschil of we de ESRI-projectie gebruiken of PROJ4. Onze standaardoplossing sinds jaar en dag: een tooltje dat de verschuiving automatisch ongedaan maakt en niet meer nadenken over het waarom... Als er nog meer mensen dit

[OSM-talk-nl] Licentie veranderingen

2009-02-11 Per discussione Stefan de Konink
L.S., Ab amicis honesta petamus; Binnenkort wordt aan de bestuursleden van de OpenStreetMap Foundation een licentie verandering gepresenteerd. Als de *core* bestuursleden hiermee instemmen dan zal de CC-BY-SA licentie worden vervangen door een nog onbekende licentie, die niet geheel

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] Verschuiving WGS1984 tov RD stelsel

2009-02-11 Per discussione Stefan de Konink
Dirk Bussche wrote: Ik heb geen idee waarom dit zo is maar wij ervaren dit fenomeen ook. Geen verschil of we de ESRI-projectie gebruiken of PROJ4. Geef je projectie string eens :) Stefan ___ Talk-nl mailing list Talk-nl@openstreetmap.org

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] Licentie veranderingen

2009-02-11 Per discussione Christ van Willegen
On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 3:56 PM, Stefan de Konink ste...@konink.de wrote: very likely that the community will oppose any attempt to rush through a license. Dat lijkt me wel ja! Het lijkt op de licentie-verandering die CDDB heeft doorgemaakt. Ook daarmee waren mensen 'het niet zo eens...'

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] Licentie veranderingen

2009-02-11 Per discussione Berend Dekens
Ik vind het ook nogal kort door de bocht genomen om zo even een andere licentie te nemen en dat zonder de effecten hiervan goed te bekijken. Heeft dit overigens geen implicaties voor de AND data aangezien die via de CC gegeven zijn? Berend Stefan de Konink schreef: L.S., Ab amicis honesta

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] Licentie veranderingen

2009-02-11 Per discussione Floris Looijesteijn
Een week lijkt me inderdaad nog al kort door de bocht. Leuk voor alle mensen die dan net op vakantie zijn. Maar heb je dan een 'indicatie' dat dit binnenkort staat te gebeuren? Volgens mij loopt het al jaren, het laatste dat ik er over gehoord heb is dat er een rechtenexpert/advocaat (liep dat

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] Licentie veranderingen

2009-02-11 Per discussione ante
Voor zover ik weet gaat het er om dat de data vrij blijft, maar dat software die die data gebruikt niet ook vrij wordt. Daar is niks mis mee. LGPL-achtig, zeg maar. Ik heb zelf wel eens een licentieverklaring voor de KDE desktopicons geschreven om dat te bereiken. Een licentie er door heen duwen

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] Licentie veranderingen

2009-02-11 Per discussione ante
On Wed, February 11, 2009 4:30 pm, Berend Dekens wrote: Ik vind het ook nogal kort door de bocht genomen om zo even een andere licentie te nemen en dat zonder de effecten hiervan goed te bekijken. Heeft dit overigens geen implicaties voor de AND data aangezien die via de CC gegeven zijn? Een

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] Licentie veranderingen

2009-02-11 Per discussione Stefan de Konink
Floris Looijesteijn wrote: Een week lijkt me inderdaad nog al kort door de bocht. Leuk voor alle mensen die dan net op vakantie zijn. Maar heb je dan een 'indicatie' dat dit binnenkort staat te gebeuren? Die kreeg ik vandaag binnen. Volgens mij loopt het al jaren, het laatste dat ik er

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] Licentie veranderingen

2009-02-11 Per discussione Lambertus
Het is natuurlijk niet zo dat Cloudmade, OSMF, big brother of anderen afgelopen weekend besloten hebben deze licentie verandering erdoor te drukken. Dit gaat al meer? dan een jaar terug. Henk Hoff, onze Nederlandse (en meer natuurlijk!) vertegenwoordiger in de OSMF heeft hierover tijdens de

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] Licentie veranderingen

2009-02-11 Per discussione Lambertus
Stefan de Konink wrote: Floris Looijesteijn wrote: Ik ben er niet helemaal in thuis maar denk dat CC-BY-SA het professioneel gebruik door bedrijven op dit moment tegenhoudt dus ik sta zeker open voor verandering. Maar dat moet weloverwogen verandering zijn. Ik denk dat het vooral

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] Licentie veranderingen

2009-02-11 Per discussione Lambertus
a...@ffii.org wrote: Voor zover ik weet gaat het er om dat de data vrij blijft, maar dat software die die data gebruikt niet ook vrij wordt. Daar is niks mis mee. LGPL-achtig, zeg maar. Ik heb zelf wel eens een licentieverklaring voor de KDE desktopicons geschreven om dat te bereiken. Dat

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] Licentie veranderingen

2009-02-11 Per discussione Stefan de Konink
Lambertus wrote: Stefan de Konink wrote: Floris Looijesteijn wrote: Ik ben er niet helemaal in thuis maar denk dat CC-BY-SA het professioneel gebruik door bedrijven op dit moment tegenhoudt dus ik sta zeker open voor verandering. Maar dat moet weloverwogen verandering zijn. Ik denk dat het

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] Licentie veranderingen

2009-02-11 Per discussione Stefan de Konink
Simone is 'consulting member' van de OSMF. En de discussie is in Italie wat heftiger, omdat zij nogal wat data te importeren hebben. Original Message Dear Andy Robinson secretary of the OpenStreetMap Foundation, and dear all the board and board-at-large/team of OSMF, We are

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] Licentie veranderingen

2009-02-11 Per discussione Stefan de Konink
Ben Laenen wrote: On Wednesday 11 February 2009, Stefan de Konink wrote: Ga je akkoord met licentie wijziging (ja/nee), wanneer je niet akkoord gaat bestaat de mogelijkheid dat we al je data wissen. Gaat dat werkelijk de vraagstelling zijn? Waarom kan het niet iets neutraler als: Ben je

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] Licentie veranderingen

2009-02-11 Per discussione Ben Laenen
On Wednesday 11 February 2009, Stefan de Konink wrote: Ga je akkoord met licentie wijziging (ja/nee), wanneer je niet akkoord gaat bestaat de mogelijkheid dat we al je data wissen. Gaat dat werkelijk de vraagstelling zijn? Waarom kan het niet iets neutraler als: Ben je akkoord met de

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] Licentie veranderingen

2009-02-11 Per discussione Milo van der Linden
Ik denk dat er een soort planet-freeze moet komen die mensen de komende maand de mogelijkheid biedt een overanderde status-quo te downloaden ALVORENS de foundation met verwijderen begint. Ik lees zojuist op dev: E dit lijkt me er wel een waar we ons even tegen moeten wapenen. Ik denk dat ik

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] Licentie veranderingen

2009-02-11 Per discussione Lambertus
Ik heb een reeks van planet files sinds begin November en download elke nieuwe binnen het uur dat die uitkomt (jaja, cronjob op yournavigation.org). Dus een backup is er wel... Milo van der Linden wrote: Ik denk dat er een soort planet-freeze moet komen die mensen de komende maand de

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] Licentie veranderingen

2009-02-11 Per discussione Ben Laenen
On Wednesday 11 February 2009, Stefan de Konink wrote: Ben Laenen wrote: On Wednesday 11 February 2009, Stefan de Konink wrote: Ga je akkoord met licentie wijziging (ja/nee), wanneer je niet akkoord gaat bestaat de mogelijkheid dat we al je data wissen. Gaat dat werkelijk de

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] Licentie veranderingen

2009-02-11 Per discussione Lambertus
Ja, dat waren dus de corner cases waar Henk het over had. Ik weet alleen niet meer wat de reactie daarop was. Bas heeft geloof ik wel audio opnamen van gemaakt... Ben Laenen wrote: On Wednesday 11 February 2009, Stefan de Konink wrote: Ben Laenen wrote: On Wednesday 11 February 2009, Stefan

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] Licentie veranderingen

2009-02-11 Per discussione Eugene van der Pijll
Lambertus schreef: Ik heb een reeks van planet files sinds begin November en download elke nieuwe binnen het uur dat die uitkomt (jaja, cronjob op yournavigation.org). Dus een backup is er wel... Maar dat is geen backup van de hele database. De planet files bevatten toch alleen de huidige

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] Licentie veranderingen

2009-02-11 Per discussione Stefan de Konink
Eugene van der Pijll wrote: Lambertus schreef: Ik heb een reeks van planet files sinds begin November en download elke nieuwe binnen het uur dat die uitkomt (jaja, cronjob op yournavigation.org). Dus een backup is er wel... Maar dat is geen backup van de hele database. De planet files

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] Licentie veranderingen

2009-02-11 Per discussione Lennard
Stefan de Konink wrote: Maar dat is geen backup van de hele database. De planet files bevatten toch alleen de huidige nodes/ways/relaties, niet de history? Lennard heeft diffs hoorden we net. Diffs != history Ik heb daily diffs die teruggaan tot 20080707-20080708.osc.gz, maar alles wat

[OSM-talk-nl] server status

2009-02-11 Per discussione Dieter Van Uytvanck
Hallo allemaal, Jullie weten er vast al van maar voor de volledigheid: ik krijg momenteel niks meer te zien qua rendering op de NL tileserver. gr, Dieter ___ Talk-nl mailing list Talk-nl@openstreetmap.org

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] server status

2009-02-11 Per discussione Roeland Douma
Goeden avond, Er wordt gepoogd de postgresql database te migreren zodat we diffs op de database kunnen gaan draaien. Excuses voor het ongemak. --Roeland On Wednesday 11 February 2009 22:31:44 Dieter Van Uytvanck wrote: Hallo allemaal, Jullie weten er vast al van maar voor de volledigheid:

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] Verschuiving WGS1984 tov RD stelsel

2009-02-11 Per discussione paul van den berg
joris meijerink meijer...@gmail.com wrote: Iemand die een idee heeft waardoor dit komt? Ik heb hier ook een tijdje mee geworsteld. Martijn van Excel heeft er een mooi verhaal over geschreven op http://oegeo.wordpress.com/2008/05/20/note-to-self-the-one-and-only-rd-projection-string/ Zelf

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] server status

2009-02-11 Per discussione Rob
was dit een planned maintenance ;) en waar kan ik die terug vinden ? gr Rob Op 11 februari 2009 22:42 schreef Roeland Douma u...@rullzer.com het volgende: Goeden avond, Er wordt gepoogd de postgresql database te migreren zodat we diffs op de database kunnen gaan draaien. Excuses voor het

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] Verschuiving WGS1984 tov RD stelsel

2009-02-11 Per discussione Dirk Bussche
Stefan, je hebt gelijk! mijn projectie was 28992 +proj=stere +lat_0=52.156160 +lon_0=5.387639 +k=0.08 +x_0=155000 +y_0=463000 +ellps=bessel +units=m +no_defs Dit is wat je vanzelf krijgt als je Proj4 installeert. Hiermee ligt een projectie WGS84-RD ca. 100meter en een

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] Verschuiving WGS1984 tov RD stelsel

2009-02-11 Per discussione Stefan de Konink
Dirk Bussche wrote: Stefan, je hebt gelijk! Ik zal je quoten ;) Stefan ___ Talk-nl mailing list Talk-nl@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-nl

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] Licentie veranderingen

2009-02-11 Per discussione Lambertus
Eugene van der Pijll wrote: Lambertus schreef: Ik heb een reeks van planet files sinds begin November en download elke nieuwe binnen het uur dat die uitkomt (jaja, cronjob op yournavigation.org). Dus een backup is er wel... Maar dat is geen backup van de hele database. De planet files

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] Verschuiving WGS1984 tov RD stelsel

2009-02-11 Per discussione Lambertus
Stefan de Konink wrote: Dirk Bussche wrote: Stefan, je hebt gelijk! Ik zal je quoten ;) Heb je al vroeg dit jaar een keer gelijk gekregen. Goed werk :P ___ Talk-nl mailing list Talk-nl@openstreetmap.org

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] server status

2009-02-11 Per discussione Roeland Douma
Plannen is een groot woord he. Het lag in de planning/stond op het todo lijstje is dat ook goed? Maar we renderen weer. Er zal helemaal naar een nieuw postgres versie moeten worden geupgrade. Opzich geen probleem maar deze zit nog niet in de centos repo's dus dat wordt zelf compilen. Kortom

[OSM-talk-nl] fantasieloze ambtenaren

2009-02-11 Per discussione Cartinus
http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=52.096108lon=5.075102zoom=18layers=B000FTF Ik denk dat straks alle vier de namen worden gerenderd. (Op dit moment zijn alleen de eerste twee nog maar te zien.) J.C. Verthorenkade J.C. Verthorenpad J.C. Verthorenplaats J.C. Verthorenhof Allemaal op minder dan

[OSM-talk-nl] Brievenbussen

2009-02-11 Per discussione Christ van Willegen
Hallo allemaal, tante Pos (tegenwoordig TPG, als ik alle naamswijzigingen heb meegekregen) heeft onlangs heel veel brievenbussen verplaatst (in ieder geval bij mij in de buurt). Zullen we ze een vriendelijk mailtje sturen met de vraag of dat zij coordinaten hebben van al hun brievenbussen, zodat

Re: [Talk-de] Neue Geofabrik-Tools: Karte, Kartenvergleich

2009-02-11 Per discussione Jochen Topf
Hi! On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 08:20:53AM +0100, Michael Buchberger wrote: nachdem ich jetzt einige Zeit eure Seite genutzt habe, fällt mir auf das ich Show Area on immer mit gedrückter STRG Taste aufrufe um die Seite in einem neuen Tab anzuzeigen. Leider ohne Erfolg ;-) Könntet Ihr das noch

Re: [Talk-de] Kieser Training

2009-02-11 Per discussione Sven Anders
Am Dienstag, 10. Februar 2009 19:53:53 schrieb Hatto von Hatzfeld: Hallo! Heute habe ich auf der Karte von Bergisch-Gladbach einen Punkt gesehen, der unschönerweise so beschriftet war: Kieser Training 51465 Bergisch Gladbach Nachdem ich das korrigiert habe (was

Re: [Talk-de] Umstellungen im Vorlagenmenü des JOSM

2009-02-11 Per discussione Nop
Hi! BroadwayLamb schrieb: Also wie man aus der unschuldigen englischen Vokabel wood einen Urwald ableiten kann, wird mir immer schleierhaft bleiben. Das dürfte weniger an der eigentlichen Bedeutung des Wortes liegen, als am Gegensatz zu der nachdrücklich vertretenen Alternative

Re: [Talk-de] rollstuhltaugliche Wege

2009-02-11 Per discussione Florian Schweikert
Am 10. Februar 2009 09:55 schrieb Astrid astridmuelle...@gmx.de: Hallo Holger M?chtest du barrierefreie Tags einfach nur so einbauen oder arbeitest du direkt an einem Projekt f?r Karten mit barrierefreien Wegen? Karten k?nnen jedenfalls helfen etwas durchzusetzen, da ein sichtbares

Re: [Talk-de] rollstuhltaugliche Wege

2009-02-11 Per discussione Florian Schweikert
PS: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Category:Handicap ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de

Re: [Talk-de] Kieser Training

2009-02-11 Per discussione Guenther Meyer
Es ist nicht wirklich klar, wofür das Name Tag gebraucht wird, klar wenn du eine Karte auf Zoom 17 siehst, willst du vermutlich nur wissen, das dort ein Fitnes-Studio ist. grade bei fitness-studios sind die angebote sehr unterschiedlich. wenn man ausserdem bereits einen vertrag mit einem

Re: [Talk-de] Umstellungen im Vorlagenmenü des JOSM

2009-02-11 Per discussione Gerrit Lammert
Ich verstehe die ganze Diskussion nicht. natural=wood bedeutet: Da stehen Bäume (die nicht aus Plastik sind) landuse=forest bedeutet: Dieses Gelände wird als Forst genutzt. D.h. in 90% aller Fälle treten (in D) beide Tags zusammen auf. Das ist völlig OK, da sie ganz unterschiedliche Dinge

Re: [Talk-de] WMS-Server für das Ruhrgebiet

2009-02-11 Per discussione Sven Geggus
Hatto von Hatzfeld ha...@salesianer.de wrote: Das Problem liegt - wie bei ähnlichen Angeboten anderer Stellen mit Ausnahme des Oberpfalz-Projekts - wohl eher an Bestimmung wie der, die hier so formuliert ist: Die Nutzung für kommerzielle Anwendungen ist ausgeschlossen. Wer für OSM

Re: [Talk-de] WMS-Server f?r das Ruhrgebiet

2009-02-11 Per discussione Sven Geggus
OSM o...@gockeljugend.de wrote: - Die OpenStreetMap-Gemeinschaft erfüllt in Teilen die Bedingungen für eine Gesellschaft bürgerlichen Rechts (GbR) und kann daher eine juristische Person sein. Dennoch vereinbaren die Gebietskörperschaften, keine Verträge mit der OpenStreetMap-Gemeinschaft

Re: [Talk-de] Wie deutsch muss man sein?

2009-02-11 Per discussione Andreas Fritsche
Hi! From: Johannes H?sing johan...@huesing.name zum Thema: wie viel deutsch. Schnelle Karte ist f?r mich so ein Begriff den ich lieber nicht ?bersetzen w?rde. F?r mich nicht, da ich auch mit Slippy Map nichts anfangen kann. Sorry, aber SlippyMap ist keine Tätigkeit oder ein Objekt, sondern

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