Re: [Talk-us] Planning to "import" speed limit data for Florida

2011-08-31 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 9/1/2011 2:23 AM, Toby Murray wrote: Hmm I just noticed that it was a little eager about creating relations so some ways don't have any tags but are only members of a relation which is tagged. Not sure if this will work with the routes plugin or not. It actually works fine. There are ways th

Re: [Talk-us] Planning to "import" speed limit data for Florida

2011-08-31 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 9/1/2011 2:16 AM, Toby Murray wrote: http://ni.kwsn.net/~toby/OSM/FL_maxspeed.osm.gz If you have trouble dealing with the extra spaces I can clean it up tomorrow. Bed time now. But it looks like it is just putting in the same number of spaces in front of the numbers for some reason. Thanks.

Re: [Talk-us] Planning to "import" speed limit data for Florida

2011-08-31 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 9/1/2011 1:19 AM, Toby Murray wrote: On Wed, Aug 31, 2011 at 8:58 PM, Nathan Edgars II wrote: On 8/31/2011 9:57 PM, Dale Puch wrote: Anyways that is why I am interested in how you plan to attack it. I haven't started, but I plan to convert to .osm using gpsbabel and then use the

Re: [Talk-us] Planning to "import" speed limit data for Florida

2011-08-31 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 9/1/2011 1:02 AM, Dale Puch wrote: If a way with [network=US:FL] is NOT in a relation, will it be returned by this? I don't think any ways have this tag. ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/ta

Re: [Talk-us] Planning to "import" speed limit data for Florida

2011-08-31 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 8/31/2011 9:57 PM, Dale Puch wrote: For me it was partly an issue of the data covering a large land area, then only able to download small chunks from OSM to edit. For this, a xapi query of relation[network=US:FL] gets all the state road relations.

Re: [Talk-us] Planning to "import" speed limit data for Florida

2011-08-31 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 8/31/2011 9:57 PM, Dale Puch wrote: Anyways that is why I am interested in how you plan to attack it. I haven't started, but I plan to convert to .osm using gpsbabel and then use the JOSM 'routes' plugin to color the maxspeed values of the background. _

[Talk-us] Planning to "import" speed limit data for Florida

2011-08-31 Thread Nathan Edgars II
http://www.dot.state.fl.us/planning/statistics/gis/roaddata.shtm This is public domain per Microdecisions, Inc. v. Skinner (though I'm waiting on a reply from FDOT confirming that they agree). After checking all current maxspeed tags against the data to ensure accuracy, I plan to use this as a

Re: [Talk-us] Use of ref-tag on state highways

2011-08-24 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 8/24/2011 7:25 PM, Craig Hinners wrote: I see what you're saying about Arkansas, in that their treatment of US business routes on signage "feels" more like a "different designation". On the other hand, Maryland uses a totatally different shield design for business US routes (basically a green-

Re: [Talk-us] Use of ref-tag on state highways

2011-08-24 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 8/24/2011 6:25 PM, Craig Hinners wrote: FWIW, I agree with all of Jason's suggestions, below, for the relation-level "network" tag values. It mirrors my thinking on the matter exactly. I disagree with putting alternate and business in the network. These modifiers are part of the designation

[Talk-us] A proposal to improve relation handling

2011-08-22 Thread Nathan Edgars II
I and some other mappers have noticed that relations are more prone to breaking than equivalent tags on ways. (For a simple example, imagine two people simultaneously editing different parts of a route and each splitting a way, e.g. to add a maxspeed to a portion. If the route is stored as a rel

Re: [Talk-us] Use of ref-tag on state highways

2011-08-22 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 8/22/2011 5:53 PM, Ian Dees wrote: Ways break too, it's just that editors sometimes remember to fix them during their edit session (e.g. by copying the tags when they dual-carriage a way). If we get people to fix the relations too, then they won't break. So how will we do this? I've proposed

Re: [Talk-us] Use of ref-tag on state highways

2011-08-22 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 8/22/2011 5:47 PM, Richard Weait wrote: If there is no overlap, a single network / ref pair will work just fine. Why wouldn't it? What breaks is multi-values in network / ref tags. Don't do that. We have better ways to do this; relations. Relations break. Hence ref tags are there as a ba

Re: [Talk-us] Use of ref-tag on state highways

2011-08-22 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 8/22/2011 5:20 PM, Richard Weait wrote: On Mon, Aug 22, 2011 at 4:52 PM, Nathan Edgars II wrote: But the same problem exists with county routes along county lines. Do you think the ref tag for a county route should contain a county abbreviation? No, not the ref tag, the network tag

Re: [Talk-us] Use of ref-tag on state highways

2011-08-22 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 8/22/2011 4:46 PM, Nathan Mills wrote: On Mon, 22 Aug 2011 15:08:22 -0400, Nathan Edgars II wrote: In both those (literally) edge cases, the relation will tell all. So are you volunteering to make relations for every route that has this complication? They've probably mostly been

Re: [Talk-us] Use of ref-tag on state highways

2011-08-22 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 8/21/2011 4:34 PM, Ian Dees wrote: I really don't understand this logic. I have never run into a case where JOSM has broken a relation in a way that wasn't obvious to me. Obviously I don't "get around" as much as you, Nathan, but can you remind me of a specific case where a relation breaks ove

Re: [Talk-us] Use of ref-tag on state highways

2011-08-22 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 8/22/2011 2:19 PM, Nathan Mills wrote: On Mon, 22 Aug 2011 13:31:51 -0400, Nathan Edgars II wrote: And what state, despite the implications of some here. Other than the cases where a state maintains a road as part of their route network which is not actually in that state. Or the more

Re: [Talk-us] Use of ref-tag on state highways

2011-08-22 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 8/22/2011 12:05 PM, Richard Fairhurst wrote: Nathan Edgars II wrote: Exactly my point. Great Britain is fine with ref=M1 despite there being an M1 in many other countries - and even in Northern Ireland, part of the same country. There are some little-known fields in OSM data called

Re: [Talk-us] Use of ref-tag on state highways

2011-08-21 Thread Nathan Edgars II
Sent again; sorry to people who receive multiple copies due to moderation. On 8/21/2011 4:34 PM, Ian Dees wrote: I really don't understand this logic. I have never run into a case where JOSM has broken a relation in a way that wasn't obvious to me. Obviously I don't "get around" as much as you,

Re: [Talk-us] Use of ref-tag on state highways

2011-08-21 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 8/21/2011 4:34 PM, Ian Dees wrote: I really don't understand this logic. I have never run into a case where JOSM has broken a relation in a way that wasn't obvious to me. Obviously I don't "get around" as much as you, Nathan, but can you remind me of a specific case where a relation breaks ove

Re: [Talk-us] Use of ref-tag on state highways

2011-08-21 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 8/21/2011 2:22 PM, Alan Mintz wrote: As someone pointed out, once you put them in a relation, the tags on the ways become duplicative. While this is generally bad database design, it's also true that many consumers don't deal with relations, and so we need the duplication and the problems that

Re: [Talk-us] Use of ref-tag on state highways

2011-08-21 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 8/21/2011 1:57 PM, Henk Hoff wrote: Putting every single route-label in the ref-tag is not a good idea. Putting every single route-label in the ref-tag is the way we do things. If you don't like it, you can always find a different country to armchair-map (most countries don't have route ov

Re: [Talk-us] Use of ref-tag on state highways

2011-08-21 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 8/21/2011 9:21 AM, Alan Mintz wrote: My understanding was that there are two options for California SR-60: 1) network=US:CA + ref=60 2) ref=CA 60 SR 60 is a good example, since it overlaps I-215 in Riverside. The network tag won't work here, since it needs to be both US:I and US:CA.

Re: [Talk-us] Use of ref-tag on state highways

2011-08-20 Thread Nathan Edgars II
I created a table of most of the different state-level route markers (not counting West Virginia's "county routes", which are actually state-maintained): http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:NE2/routes This can be used as a basis for a table of abbreviations.

Re: [Talk-us] Use of ref-tag on state highways

2011-08-20 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 8/20/2011 3:29 PM, Val Kartchner wrote: Because some states officially designate the road as "SR-26", for instance. Not to mention states like Texas, which have, for example: State Highway (SH) 121 Loop 12 Spur 408 Beltway 8 Farm to Market Road (FM) 1960 Park Road (PR) 27 and probably a few

Re: [Talk-us] Use of ref-tag on state highways

2011-08-20 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 8/20/2011 2:56 PM, Phil! Gold wrote: * Nathan Edgars II [2011-08-20 14:24 -0400]: I agree with this, and will abide by any reasonable consistent convention. The wiki has long recommended using the two-letter state abbreviation, a space, and the number. Is there any problem with

Re: [Talk-us] Use of ref-tag on state highways

2011-08-20 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 8/20/2011 2:41 PM, Toby Murray wrote: I still see a lot of messages coming through about a network tag. This tag is already used on route relations so I'm not sure why it is still being discussed. The ref=* tag on ways is primarily just duplicating data from the relation and tagging for the re

Re: [Talk-us] Use of ref-tag on state highways

2011-08-20 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 8/20/2011 2:13 PM, Henk Hoff wrote: The difference with the UK example is that there is a consistency: M1 = M1. In the case of Arkansas we're talking about AR 26, Hwy 26 and possibly in the future also 26. All being a ref for the same State Highway. That is the problem. I agree with this, an

Re: [Talk-us] Use of ref-tag on state highways

2011-08-20 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 8/20/2011 1:50 PM, Val Kartchner wrote: On Sat, 2011-08-20 at 13:39 -0400, Nathan Edgars II wrote: Meaning? How would you add more detail? US:MA:2? US:FL:ORA:535? UK:GB:M1? And once we set "our" standard here in the US, how do we get it adopted world-wide? Exactly my point. Gre

Re: [Talk-us] Use of ref-tag on state highways

2011-08-20 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 8/20/2011 1:29 PM, Metcalf, Calvin (DOT) wrote: From: "Nathan Edgars II" On 8/20/2011 12:42 PM, Metcalf, Calvin (DOT) wrote: It doesn't matter if a state like MA uses SR internally we just use that because we deal with only one states routes. Postal code prefixes for all r

Re: [Talk-us] Use of ref-tag on state highways

2011-08-20 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 8/20/2011 12:42 PM, Metcalf, Calvin (DOT) wrote: It doesn't matter if a state like MA uses SR internally we just use that because we deal with only one states routes. Postal code prefixes for all routes makes the most sense. So how do you distinguish California from Canada? Or Delaware fr

Re: [Talk-us] Use of ref-tag on state highways

2011-08-20 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 8/20/2011 6:04 AM, Henk Hoff wrote: User Nathan Edgars is now changing all State Highway ref-tags in Arkansas from AR ## to Hwy ## False. I'm using Hwy x on ways that lacked ref tags. ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists

Re: [Talk-us] Use of ref-tag on state highways

2011-08-20 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 8/20/2011 12:01 PM, Val Kartchner wrote: What about another field for the network. For instance "US:UT:SR" for Utah State Routes then the "ref" tag will be just the number. I'd like to put it all into the "ref" field, but the renderers just don't parse this field and render the whole string.

Re: [Talk-us] Safe Routes to School Mapping Toolkit concept

2011-08-13 Thread Nathan Edgars II
This will require objective criteria for grading a route. Does SRTS ignore complications, such as badly-designed bike lanes and especially sidepaths decreasing safety, and kids choosing the sidewalk over even well-designed bike lanes? How is safety of crossing a street determined? How about saf

Re: [Talk-us] "Oknoname" reservoirs

2011-08-13 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 8/13/2011 6:58 PM, Carl Anderson wrote: They appear to be descriptive names in general use within Oklohoma. Oknoname reservoirs are referenced in these, so the names are at least in use. [snip] Interesting. Yes, the names do appear to have become used. I wonder if the bureaucrat responsib

[Talk-us] "Oknoname" reservoirs

2011-08-13 Thread Nathan Edgars II
The GNIS import included a number of lakes, reservoirs, and dams in Oklahoma with name=Oknoname [number] [Reservoir|Dam], e.g. http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/node/357440089/history . The source cited by the GNIS is "U.S. Army Corps of Engineers. Dams and Reservoirs List, Washington, DC.".

Re: [Talk-us] Another case of JOSM ignoring US tagging standards

2011-08-08 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 8/8/2011 2:17 PM, Frederik Ramm wrote: Hi, Nathan Edgars II wrote: https://josm.openstreetmap.de/ticket/6601 https://josm.openstreetmap.de/ticket/6667 Now that this one has been cleared up, No it hasn't. It's possible for an individual mapper to set additional values (assuming

[Talk-us] Another case of JOSM ignoring US tagging standards

2011-08-08 Thread Nathan Edgars II
https://josm.openstreetmap.de/ticket/6601 https://josm.openstreetmap.de/ticket/6667 ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us

Re: [Talk-us] Boundary Relation and Tagging

2011-08-04 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 8/4/2011 7:06 PM, Mike Thompson wrote: Here is another, somewhat related, question. Fort Collins CO is represented by two separate relations: 112524 and 253754, neither of which matches the 2008 TIGER data that they claim to be derived from, although 253754 is a much closer match. What is go

[Talk-us] Best way of tagging split between electronic toll and cash lanes?

2011-07-20 Thread Nathan Edgars II
Many toll plazas now have high-speed electronic toll lanes. Tagging seems haphazard. As I see it, the choices are: *What gets tagged as motorway vs. motorway_link? *What gets the name, ref, and relation membership? Note that some plazas have the cash lanes marked like an exit: http://en.wikipedi

Re: [Talk-us] SR-96 partially gone

2011-07-16 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 7/16/2011 4:04 PM, Val Kartchner wrote: Hello, I've been mapping Scofield Reservoir in Utah. I've also been aligning roads with satellite images. SR-96 has partially disappeared after my edit. It was there before. http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=39.78855&lon=-111.12483&zoom=17&layers=M

Re: [Talk-us] MassGIS import: "condition" tag

2011-07-15 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 7/15/2011 9:13 PM, Greg Troxel wrote: I would say that if you know a road has been repaved, you might set it to 'good' or whatever the appropriate value is. This has pointers to the mass spec, I think: http://www.mass.gov/mgis/eotroads.htm According to the linked PDF, the field measures

Re: [Talk-us] MassGIS import: "condition" tag

2011-07-15 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 7/15/2011 8:15 PM, Greg Troxel wrote: Nathan Edgars II writes: The MassGIS import included a "condition" tag: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/9602415 Presumably this is something in their data, but what use is it to us? There's no definition of what 'intolerabl

[Talk-us] MassGIS import: "condition" tag

2011-07-15 Thread Nathan Edgars II
The MassGIS import included a "condition" tag: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/9602415 Presumably this is something in their data, but what use is it to us? There's no definition of what 'intolerable' means, and no way to know what value to use if the road is repaved. _

Re: [Talk-us] NOAA Composite Shoreline

2011-07-13 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 7/13/2011 2:47 PM, Josh Doe wrote: Has anyone looked at the NOAA Composite Shoreline? It seems to have much better accuracy (as in orders of magnitude better) than the PGS shoreline that was imported, at least for the small portion I checked in Virginia. Unless there are better sources, I'll p

Re: [Talk-us] New orthoimagery for NC

2011-07-02 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 6/10/2011 5:31 PM, James Umbanhowar wrote: The state of North Carolina has released 6 inch resolution orthoimagery for the entire state that was taken during leaf off time in 2010. These are great quality for all types of mapping. The information about the service is at: http://data.nconema

Re: [Talk-us] Relation roles

2011-06-29 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 6/29/2011 5:03 PM, Richard Fairhurst wrote: FWIW, and you should absolutely not listen to me because I'm a long way away and it's up to you guys to sort yourselves out... but I'd create a separate relation for each direction (i.e. one northbound relation, one southbound relation) and not bothe

Re: [Talk-us] Relation roles

2011-06-29 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 6/29/2011 4:50 PM, Richard Weait wrote: On Wed, Jun 29, 2011 at 1:44 PM, Nathan Edgars II wrote: I've started using forward/backward roles rather than north/south/east/west on relations for state highways, due to JOSM's relation editor supporting sorting by them and Nakor's

Re: [Talk-us] Relation roles

2011-06-29 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 6/29/2011 3:47 PM, Toby Murray wrote: For bike/bus routes that makes sense since they may go against the directionality of the way. For highway routes this doesn't seem to make sense and as Josh pointed out is just duplicating oneway information whereas the signed direction of the highway prov

Re: [Talk-us] Relation roles

2011-06-29 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 6/29/2011 3:28 PM, Josh Doe wrote: On Wed, Jun 29, 2011 at 3:06 PM, Nathan Edgars II mailto:nerou...@gmail.com>> wrote: On 6/29/2011 2:49 PM, Nathan Mills wrote: It also avoids the inevitable "which way is forward and which is backward" question.

Re: [Talk-us] Relation roles

2011-06-29 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 6/29/2011 2:49 PM, Nathan Mills wrote: It also avoids the inevitable "which way is forward and which is backward" question. Forward is the direction of the way. If a way carries both directions of the route, it gets no role (as with directional roles). __

Re: [Talk-us] Relation roles

2011-06-29 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 6/29/2011 2:49 PM, Nathan Mills wrote: My personal preference is to use directional roles so that they match what is written on signage. It also avoids the inevitable "which way is forward and which is backward" question. How would you suggest ensuring that relations are and remain complete?

[Talk-us] Relation roles

2011-06-29 Thread Nathan Edgars II
I've started using forward/backward roles rather than north/south/east/west on relations for state highways, due to JOSM's relation editor supporting sorting by them and Nakor's tool (which was already less convenient, given that you had to upload to OSM and get the relation number) being down.

Re: [Talk-us] US highway classification (trunk)

2011-06-26 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 6/2/2011 3:17 PM, Nathan Edgars II wrote: To this end, I've been systematically going through trunks in the US and adding lanes=* tags. This is of course useful even if nothing is done rendering-wise. Thanks to PeterIto, we can see the fruits of this: http://www.itoworld.com/product

[Talk-us] is_in=county, ST?

2011-06-14 Thread Nathan Edgars II
I've seen a number of ways where tiger:county was changed to is_in, leading to values like is_in=Orange, FL for Orange County, Florida. This seems less than ideal and sometimes misleading: does is_in=Des Moines, IA mean that it's in the city of Des Moines or in Des Moines County, which is in th

Re: [Talk-us] New orthoimagery for NC

2011-06-10 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 6/10/2011 10:46 PM, James Umbanhowar wrote: The website says all data is free for use (http://www.nconemap.com/Default.aspx?tabid=286) and any queries will not be answered. A close reading leaves some slight ambiguity "Geospatial content provided directly from this NC OneMap FTP service is fr

Re: [Talk-us] New orthoimagery for NC

2011-06-10 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 6/10/2011 5:31 PM, James Umbanhowar wrote: The state of North Carolina has released 6 inch resolution orthoimagery for the entire state that was taken during leaf off time in 2010. These are great quality for all types of mapping. The information about the service is at: http://data.nconema

Re: [Talk-us] FYI - user going around changing highway refs just to put in the "-" and "/"

2011-06-09 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 6/9/2011 3:54 PM, David ``Smith'' wrote: On Sun, May 29, 2011 at 4:08 AM, James Mast mailto:rickmastfa...@hotmail.com>> wrote: I just happened to notice this guy tonight was going around and editing the "ref" tags on highways in the US just to replace the space and put in the hyph

Re: [Talk-us] FYI - user going around changing highway refs just to put in the "-" and "/"

2011-06-08 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 5/29/2011 4:08 AM, James Mast wrote: I just happened to notice this guy tonight was going around and editing the "ref" tags on highways in the US just to replace the space and put in the hyphen. (I noticed this when going to load the I-77 NC relation to add in speed limits I saw and wrote down

[Talk-us] East end of I-44 (Re: shields and overlaps)

2011-06-08 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 6/8/2011 2:29 PM, Lord-Castillo, Brett wrote: This shot shows the road as all 4 interstates and US-40 at once. http://maps.google.com/?ie=UTF8&ll=38.617642,-90.181049&spn=0.00824,0.013078&z=17&layer=c&cbll=38.617746,-90.181461&panoid=etjY4kn9oqoecsdYSjoXqw&cbp=12,285.92,,0,5.98 (This shot is a

Re: [Talk-us] shields and overlaps

2011-06-07 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 6/7/2011 9:30 AM, Lord-Castillo, Brett wrote: I-64, I-70, I-55, I-44, US-40 AKA, the Poplar St Bridge in St Louis, MO. It is the only quad Interstate route in existence. I-70 will reroute in 2015 and it will go down to a tri route. It also carries the designation Historic Route 66 and has th

Re: [Talk-us] Huge erroneous military landuse

2011-06-06 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 6/7/2011 12:55 AM, Dion Dock wrote: On 6/3/2011 9:43 PM, Nathan Edgars II wrote: Oh wow. http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/SimonSquare/edits contains the following: landuse=military on the US border religion=christian denomination=anglican landuse=cemetery on the UK leisure=park on France

Re: [Talk-us] Unsigned routes (Re: shields and overlaps)

2011-06-05 Thread Nathan Edgars II
A related question is what should be done with routes that are posted only on small signs not intended for navigation. The best example of this is Pennsylvania's 'quadrant routes'. Here's an example with SR 2108 to the left (and SR 400 - the unsigned designation for PA 380 to avoid conflict wit

Re: [Talk-us] Unsigned routes (Re: shields and overlaps)

2011-06-04 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 6/5/2011 12:22 AM, Richard Welty wrote: however, there are unsigned routes in NY; state maintained routes which have designations but which do not have signage, and some county routes. Three states - Florida, Alabama, and Tennessee - have an unsigned state designation for every segment of U

Re: [Talk-us] Unsigned routes (Re: shields and overlaps)

2011-06-04 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 6/5/2011 12:15 AM, nat...@nwacg.net wrote: In Arkansas, routes are not unsigned or (except in very rare cases) cosigned. The route ends where it meets a route of higher priority and begins again as a new segment elsewhere. There are a lot of states that do this internally. But most sign th

Re: [Talk-us] shields and overlaps

2011-06-04 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 6/4/2011 9:46 PM, James Mast wrote: Also, are you going to try to add proper "Future" Interstate shields? Currently in Google, they just show a normal Interstate shield. It might give people a proper reason to tag these "posted" Future Interstate correctly instead of without the "Future" tag.

[Talk-us] Unsigned routes (Re: shields and overlaps)

2011-06-04 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 6/4/2011 7:06 PM, Chris Lawrence wrote: Reminds me, we need to add some notation for unsigned routes in relations (the only approaches I can think of are either to tag it as roles on each member, with things like "unsigned;west" sometimes - which is icky but would work - or having separate rel

Re: [Talk-us] shields and overlaps

2011-06-04 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 6/4/2011 4:51 PM, Richard Weait wrote: I'm doing a little work on shield rendering for Interstate and US Route shields, etc. Who has a favourite highway overlap? I'd like a few examples of each of the following. - two Interstates overlapping on a way I-80/90 across Indiana and Ohio - thre

Re: [Talk-us] Huge erroneous military landuse

2011-06-03 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 6/3/2011 9:43 PM, Nathan Edgars II wrote: http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=41.722&lon=-75.094&zoom=10&layers=M I'm currently looking for the source; please report here if you find and fix it first. Oh wow. http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/SimonSquare/edits contai

[Talk-us] Huge erroneous military landuse

2011-06-03 Thread Nathan Edgars II
http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=41.722&lon=-75.094&zoom=10&layers=M I'm currently looking for the source; please report here if you find and fix it first. ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tal

Re: [Talk-us] FYI - user going around changing highway refs just to put in the "-" and "/"

2011-06-03 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 5/29/2011 4:08 AM, James Mast wrote: I just happened to notice this guy tonight was going around and editing the "ref" tags on highways in the US just to replace the space and put in the hyphen. (I noticed this when going to load the I-77 NC relation to add in speed limits I saw and wrote down

Re: [Talk-us] US highway classification (trunk)

2011-06-02 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 5/29/2011 3:32 AM, Nathan Mills wrote: On Sun, 29 May 2011 03:00:03 -0400, Nathan Edgars II wrote: Perhaps the best way to handle it would be to render a wider line if oneway=yes and not lanes=1 or if oneway=no/unset and lanes=4 or more. Thus divided highways would not need a lane count to

Re: [Talk-us] is it just me

2011-05-30 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 5/30/2011 4:06 PM, Steve Coast wrote: ... or does this map look like an older Texas osmarender layer screenshot plus a tilt-shift blur added? http://www.wm.com/contact-us.jsp The use of name=Interstate Highway 45;Gulf Freeway is a dead giveaway: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/4662

Re: [Talk-us] US highway classification

2011-05-29 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 5/29/2011 8:09 PM, Nathan Mills wrote: FSM knows the aerial imagery around here is outdated, to put it mildly. Try the NAIP imagery: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/National_Agriculture_Imagery_Program ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstree

Re: [Talk-us] US highway classification

2011-05-29 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 5/29/2011 5:16 PM, Paul Johnson wrote: subtle mass vandalism This is why I ignore Paul. Though I really wonder about this edit: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/14751094/history ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://l

Re: [Talk-us] US highway classification

2011-05-29 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 5/29/2011 10:31 AM, John F. Eldredge wrote: Nathan Edgars II wrote: There are many types of roads that it's not possible to describe. How do you tag an unpaved classified road so the map shows that it's unpaved (this is very common in the third world, but also occurs in extre

Re: [Talk-us] US highway classification

2011-05-29 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 5/29/2011 2:30 AM, Nathan Mills wrote: I think that trunk is more useful if it's prescriptive, more along the lines of a motorway than primary and below. If we aren't going to do that, we need to come up with another value for highway and get it rendered by default. It's something that map use

Re: [Talk-us] US highway classification

2011-05-28 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 5/29/2011 1:50 AM, Nathan Mills wrote: On Sun, 29 May 2011 01:00:25 -0400, Nathan Edgars II wrote: On 5/29/2011 12:37 AM, Nathan Mills wrote: US-441 between St. Cloud and Yeehaw Junction could easily be trunk by NE2's definition Nope, since any through traffic will be on the Turnpik

Re: [Talk-us] US highway classification

2011-05-28 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 5/29/2011 1:08 AM, Nathan Mills wrote: Once again, there is, to most non-mapgeeks a class of road which is less than a motorway, but better than all other classes of road. In my part of the country, most people call it an expressway. Try expressway=yes or access_control=partial. But make sur

Re: [Talk-us] US highway classification

2011-05-28 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 5/29/2011 12:37 AM, Nathan Mills wrote: US-441 between St. Cloud and Yeehaw Junction could easily be trunk by NE2's definition Nope, since any through traffic will be on the Turnpike. US 441 serves mainly only local and toll-avoiding traffic, and the latter is better-off cutting east to I-95

Re: [Talk-us] US highway classification

2011-05-28 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 5/28/2011 10:52 PM, Nathan Mills wrote: Only if trunk has a meaning that implies that a road tagged trunk is somehow better than a road tagged primary, which it apparently does not, at least in some people's minds. If you're going to waste trunk on curvy two lane roads, a router may as well us

Re: [Talk-us] US highway classification

2011-05-28 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 5/28/2011 9:47 PM, Nathan Mills wrote: Another example is US-71 between Fort Smith and Texarkana. It is in fact the fastest route between Fort Smith and Texarkana, but it is terribly slow going. The fact that it is the fastest route between those two regionally important cities is adequately d

Re: [Talk-us] US highway classification

2011-05-28 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 5/28/2011 9:13 PM, Nathan Mills wrote: So you continue to assert that trunk is most useful if it essentially a duplicate of primary? Maybe a duplicate of your version of primary, but not mine. Take, as an example, US 84 in western Alabama. Why on earth did you change it to trunk when it's a

Re: [Talk-us] US highway classification

2011-05-28 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 5/28/2011 8:37 PM, Nathan Mills wrote: On Sat, 28 May 2011 17:25:17 -0400, Nathan Edgars II wrote: No, trunk is to primary as primary is to secondary. Except that it's not. It is in my criteria, which you're misrepresenting. You described your criteria, but did not explain

Re: [Talk-us] US highway classification

2011-05-28 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 5/28/2011 5:04 PM, Nathan Mills wrote: On Sat, 28 May 2011 16:21:24 -0400, Nathan Edgars II wrote: Using NE2's criteria, trunk is not really any different from a routing standpoint than primary. No, trunk is to primary as primary is to secondary. Except that it's not. I

Re: [Talk-us] US highway classification

2011-05-28 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 5/28/2011 3:39 PM, Nathan Mills wrote: On Sat, 28 May 2011 15:19:03 -0400, Anthony wrote: In my experience the difference between primary and trunk is generally very minor, to the point where I'm not sure there'd be any advantage at all in a router using it as a hint. But maybe that's just

Re: [Talk-us] US highway classification

2011-05-27 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 5/27/2011 10:41 PM, Nathan Mills wrote: Besides, if importance to the route network is the only consideration, we ought not be using trunk at all or all US highways ought to be classed as trunk. Eh? A lot of U.S. Highways are no longer the most important highways, since they are paralleled

Re: [Talk-us] US highway classification

2011-05-27 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 5/27/2011 9:51 PM, Nathan Mills wrote: On Fri, 27 May 2011 12:17:53 -0400, Nathan Edgars II wrote: Also, I don't know how major a road between Dumas, TX and Texline, TX really is. If it weren't a US highway, I'd probably demote it all the way to secondary. It's on

Re: [Talk-us] US highway classification

2011-05-27 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 5/27/2011 12:00 PM, Alex Mauer wrote: On 05/27/2011 09:06 AM, Richard Welty wrote: if you peruse the wiki, and make a reasonably through search for definitions of trunk in the US, you will find an extensive complex of contradictions and inconsistencies. Maybe someone should find all these a

Re: [Talk-us] US highway classification

2011-05-27 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 5/27/2011 10:04 AM, Nathan Mills wrote: On Fri, 27 May 2011 09:26:41 -0400, Nathan Edgars II wrote: No, trunk is also used for a major intercity highway that's not a freeway. Take a look at the UK and their network of trunks. I'm sorry, I thought I posted to talk-us. My mistake.

Re: [Talk-us] US highway classification

2011-05-27 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 5/27/2011 9:34 AM, Richard Welty wrote: On 5/27/11 9:26 AM, Nathan Edgars II wrote: On 5/27/2011 12:32 AM, Nathan Mills wrote: Would I be correct in stating that tagging an undivided 2 lane (one lane in each direction) highways would be improper, even if a state calls the highway a "

Re: [Talk-us] US highway classification

2011-05-27 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 5/27/2011 12:32 AM, Nathan Mills wrote: Would I be correct in stating that tagging an undivided 2 lane (one lane in each direction) highways would be improper, even if a state calls the highway a "trunk" for planning purposes? Especially if it's in the middle of a town with a low speed limit.

[Talk-us] Trouble in Google-land?

2011-05-21 Thread Nathan Edgars II
Those of you who get off on schadenfreude might be interested in this thread: http://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=4464.0 ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us

Re: [Talk-us] "DB fixer"?

2011-05-18 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 5/18/2011 8:31 AM, Richard Fairhurst wrote: I've just tried this with the case you cited and it seems to work. First time I've used P1 for ages. ;) And you just gave me 311 conflicts in JOSM :) Oh well, I'll find a way around it. ___ Talk-us mai

[Talk-us] "DB fixer"?

2011-05-18 Thread Nathan Edgars II
http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/28397519/history This way seems to have been reduced to only those nodes at intersections, obviously wrong given the curves in the road. Can anyone explain what this "DB fixer" is and how much damage it's done? ___

Re: [Talk-us] note to abbreviation bot authors

2011-05-16 Thread Nathan Edgars II
A few I've seen: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/38742497/history "C and S Road" referring to the old Colorado and Southern Railway http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/9823192/history "Cp Railroad" expanded to "Camp Railroad" I'm pretty sure I have seen some where the tiger prefix

Re: [Talk-us] 2010 NAIP imagery finally available via WMS

2011-05-16 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 5/16/2011 9:43 AM, Ian Dees wrote: On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 8:29 AM, Kristian Zoerhoff mailto:kristian.zoerh...@gmail.com>> wrote: On Sun, May 15, 2011 at 4:01 PM, Ian Dees mailto:ian.d...@gmail.com>> wrote: > On Sun, May 15, 2011 at 3:34 PM, Nathan Edgars II

Re: [Talk-us] 2010 NAIP imagery finally available via WMS

2011-05-15 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 5/15/2011 5:01 PM, Ian Dees wrote: On Sun, May 15, 2011 at 3:34 PM, Nathan Edgars II mailto:nerou...@gmail.com>> wrote: I'm not sure if all 2010 imagery has been added, but some from Florida (where the latest available had been 2007) was just added in the past week,

[Talk-us] 2010 NAIP imagery finally available via WMS

2011-05-15 Thread Nathan Edgars II
I'm not sure if all 2010 imagery has been added, but some from Florida (where the latest available had been 2007) was just added in the past week, and some in Kentucky was also added recently. This can be used in JOSM and perhaps other editors via the URLs on http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/

[Talk-us] Alternative proposals

2011-05-14 Thread Nathan Edgars II
http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=39.40241&lon=-86.44609&zoom=17&layers=M SR 37 is planned to become a freeway as part of the I-69 extension. Final plans have not been chosen, so there are several possibilities for the details at each interchange. Someone has drawn both plans for the SR 39 inte

Re: [Talk-us] Do we want overlaps to be rendered? Or do we want to wait for relation support that may never come?

2011-05-10 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 5/10/2011 8:17 AM, Ian Dees wrote: On Tue, May 10, 2011 at 7:06 AM, Nathan Edgars II mailto:nerou...@gmail.com>> wrote: It sounded to me like you were working on rendering with Mapnik. As I've mentioned several times, osm2pgsql creates linestrings for route relations, so all you ne

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