Re: [Talk-us] Should driveways be on OSM?

On Sat, Oct 3, 2015 at 12:42 AM, Paul Johnson wrote: > > Paul and Kevin say I should fix them. Easily said, but there are are too many > and there are whole towns needing alignment, and endless roads connecting > them that don't remotely resemble reality. No data is better than wrong data. >> >>

Re: [Talk-us] Should driveways be on OSM?

On Fri, Oct 2, 2015 at 7:23 AM, Tom Bloom wrote: > > -Living Streets. This is a distinct entity and not something decided by OSM. > They are decided by local administration, and OSM should tag them only after > that. Paul suggests that there could be townhouses at the end of rural lanes > in ru

Re: [Talk-us] Should driveways be on OSM?

On 2015-10-03 16:58, Greg Troxel wrote: What's wrong with the private tag? Is the only objection that it shows up pink on the map? That's a clue that the rendering is wrong, not the tag. I was asking more out of curiosity. Personally, I'm fine with the way access=private driveways are rende

Re: [Talk-us] Should driveways be on OSM?

Minh Nguyen writes: > On 2015-10-03 07:45, Mike Thompson wrote: >> >> By removing access=private you would be removing a valuable piece of >> information. Maybe the community can come up with a better tag, but we >> should not just delete the "private" tag. > > How do people here feel about usin

Re: [Talk-us] Should driveways be on OSM?

On Sat, Oct 3, 2015 at 11:57 AM, Minh Nguyen wrote: > On 2015-10-03 07:45, Mike Thompson wrote: > >> >> By removing access=private you would be removing a valuable piece of >> information. Maybe the community can come up with a better tag, but we >> should not just delete the "private" tag. >> >

Re: [Talk-us] Should driveways be on OSM?

On 2015-10-03 07:45, Mike Thompson wrote: By removing access=private you would be removing a valuable piece of information. Maybe the community can come up with a better tag, but we should not just delete the "private" tag. How do people here feel about using access=destination on driveways th

Re: [Talk-us] Should driveways be on OSM?

>> -If the driveway is long and wrong, or short and inside an urban area, delete it. >> Any data that is reasonably accurate (i.e. possible to determine what on the ground the data is supposed to represent) and is verifiable should not be deleted. There might be some exceptions, such as personal in

Re: [Talk-us] Should driveways be on OSM?

On Fri, Oct 2, 2015 at 9:23 AM, Tom Bloom wrote: > Summary, sort of. Thanks for all comments! > > There is no consensus, but what I've gleaned is that: > > I don't know how you came to that conclusion without some fairly selective reading, Tom. > -If the driveway is long and wrong, or short and

Re: [Talk-us] Should driveways be on OSM?

Tom Bloom writes: > -If the driveway is long and wrong, or short and inside an urban area, > delete it. If it's wrong and TIGER, yes delete it. If someone did it by hand, message them. Deleting driveways in urban areas is wrong, unless you are sure (meaning you have walked on the ground) that

Re: [Talk-us] Should driveways be on OSM?

On 10/2/2015 7:23 AM, Tom Bloom wrote: -If the driveway is long and wrong, or short and inside an urban area, delete it. Paul and Kevin say I should fix them. Easily said, but there are are too many and there are whole towns needing alignment, and endless roads connecting them that don't remo

Re: [Talk-us] Should driveways be on OSM?

On Fri, Oct 2, 2015 at 7:23 AM, Tom Bloom wrote: > Summary, sort of. Thanks for all comments! > > There is no consensus, but what I've gleaned is that: I believe you are reading into what was said to prove your point. > > -If the driveway is long and wrong, or short and inside an urban area, > de

[Talk-us] Should driveways be on OSM?

Summary, sort of. Thanks for all comments! There is no consensus, but what I've gleaned is that: -If the driveway is long and wrong, or short and inside an urban area, delete it. Paul and Kevin say I should fix them. Easily said, but there are are too many and there are whole towns needing al

Re: [Talk-us] Should driveways be on OSM?

On 2015-09-30 08:34, Greg Morgan wrote: On Mon, Sep 28, 2015 at 8:48 AM, Toby Murray wrote: I run into this as well. If I don't see anything close to the way on imagery I definitely have very little problem deleting them. I also question the access=private tagging although not because of the r

Re: [Talk-us] Should driveways be on OSM?

On Wed, Sep 30, 2015 at 10:34 AM, Greg Morgan wrote: > Who are these data consumers that you speak of? If they are > freeloaders, I could careless about them. One of shifts that I have > noticed over the years is that we appear to no longer care about what > mappers do or how we improve the eco

Re: [Talk-us] Should driveways be on OSM?

On Sun, Sep 27, 2015 at 10:33 PM, Tom Bloom wrote: > I've been deleting them if wildly wrong, and would like to delete all I > encounter. Any ideas? > When an area of tiger data has dozens of such driveways, which bear basically random correspondence with air photos, I'll delete them also. They

Re: [Talk-us] Should driveways be on OSM?

On Mon, Sep 28, 2015 at 8:48 AM, Toby Murray wrote: > I run into this as well. If I don't see anything close to the way on > imagery I definitely have very little problem deleting them. > > I also question the access=private tagging although not because of the > rendering. I mean technically it is

Re: [Talk-us] Should driveways be on OSM?

On Mon, Sep 28, 2015 at 8:38 AM, Shawn K. Quinn <skqu...@rushpost.com> wrote: In urban areas, it makes no sense to try to map residential driveways It sounds cliché, but you ought to believe it: I go to parties like that. When I check my GPS, I like to see thes

Re: [Talk-us] Should driveways be on OSM?

On Mon, Sep 28, 2015 at 8:38 AM, Shawn K. Quinn wrote: > In urban areas, it makes no sense to try to map residential driveways I disagree. There's situations where this information is useful for finding the best way to a property, particularly on narrow blocks where a residence may have two f

Re: [Talk-us] Should driveways be on OSM?

On Sep 28, 2015 11:57 AM, "Eric Ladner" wrote: > > On Mon, Sep 28, 2015 at 1:44 PM Hans De Kryger wrote: >> >> I've always hated when someone maps driveways in residential area's. But that's just my opinion. Everyone has their opinion on what should and should not be mapped. Driveways are only fi

Re: [Talk-us] Should driveways be on OSM?

Is this what we're after? http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/bIQ (I chose Kansas to annoy Toby) On Tue, Sep 29, 2015 at 10:51 AM Martijn van Exel wrote: > We could easily do a MapRoulette challenge to go through them > systematically? > > On Mon, Sep 28, 2015 at 9:25 PM Minh Nguyen > wrote: > >> Marc

Re: [Talk-us] Should driveways be on OSM?

We could easily do a MapRoulette challenge to go through them systematically? On Mon, Sep 28, 2015 at 9:25 PM Minh Nguyen wrote: > Marc Gemis writes: > > > > > > > They can be mapped, especially the long ones and tagged as > highway=service, service=driveway, and typically access=private.I don'

Re: [Talk-us] Should driveways be on OSM?

Marc Gemis writes: > > > They can be mapped, especially the long ones and tagged as highway=service, service=driveway, and typically access=private.I don't care for the appearance of the map, it's more important to connect houses that are further away from the main road via the proper driveway

Re: [Talk-us] Should driveways be on OSM?

On Mon, Sep 28, 2015 at 1:44 PM Hans De Kryger wrote: > I've always hated when someone maps driveways in residential area's. But > that's just my opinion. Everyone has their opinion on what should and > should not be mapped. Driveways are only fine in urban area's. It makes > sense to me. But oth

Re: [Talk-us] Should driveways be on OSM?

On Mon, Sep 28, 2015 at 12:37 PM Mike Thompson wrote: > On Sun, Sep 27, 2015 at 11:33 PM, Tom Bloom > wrote: > >> TIGER drew thousands of driveways that are often simply wrong. >> > I believe TIGER only includes driveways over a certain length. > Alabama seems to have a lot of driveways. I coul

Re: [Talk-us] Should driveways be on OSM?

Nate Wessel writes: > > > I delete plenty of TIGER driveways myself (mostly in the midwest, > *highfive*!), but I wouldn't say that the accurate ones should be > removed. If they can be identified as private driveways, they could > more easily just not be rendered on a map with

Re: [Talk-us] Should driveways be on OSM?

TIGER drew thousands of driveways that are often simply wrong. They are tagged private and in my opinion spoil the map appearance with little red squiggles all over the place. No other map I've found includes them. Looking around the country, I notice some areas where they were removed, changed

Re: [Talk-us] Should driveways be on OSM?

I always add driveways to the map when there is more than one house or building on said driveway. Regards, Nathan P email: natf...@gmail.com On Mon, Sep 28, 2015 at 7:44 AM, Nate Wessel wrote: > I delete plenty of TIGER driveways myself (mostly in the midwest, > *highfive*!), but I wouldn't sa

Re: [Talk-us] Should driveways be on OSM?

I've always hated when someone maps driveways in residential area's. But that's just my opinion. Everyone has their opinion on what should and should not be mapped. Driveways are only fine in urban area's. It makes sense to me. But otherwise no. On Sep 28, 2015 9:27 AM, "Marc Gemis" wrote: > They

Re: [Talk-us] Should driveways be on OSM?

I run into this as well. If I don't see anything close to the way on imagery I definitely have very little problem deleting them. I also question the access=private tagging although not because of the rendering. I mean technically it is correct I suppose but if you are trying to route to an addres

Re: [Talk-us] Should driveways be on OSM?

In rural parts of the northeast (particularly Vermont, New Hampshire, and Maine) it's actually rather helpful to have driveways mapped. In many cases, it's difficult to tell from the main road (with "main" being a relative term) whether a traveled way is the limited-maintenance public right-of-way

Re: [Talk-us] Should driveways be on OSM?

On Sun, Sep 27, 2015 at 11:33 PM, Tom Bloom wrote: > TIGER drew thousands of driveways that are often simply wrong. > I believe TIGER only includes driveways over a certain length. They are tagged private and in my opinion spoil the map appearance with > little red squiggles all over the place.

Re: [Talk-us] Should driveways be on OSM?

On Sun, Sep 27, 2015 at 10:33 PM, Tom Bloom wrote: > TIGER drew thousands of driveways that are often simply wrong. They are > tagged private and in my opinion spoil the map appearance with little red > squiggles all over the place. No other map I've found includes them. > Looking around the coun

Re: [Talk-us] Should driveways be on OSM?

If the driveway is long enough, or if it is shared, I think it is a good idea to have them in the map (highway=service, service=driveway). In many areas that I’ve mapped it would be the only hope for someone to use OSM to navigate to a specific address. And on most map rendering the service road

Re: [Talk-us] Should driveways be on OSM?

I delete plenty of TIGER driveways myself (mostly in the midwest, *highfive*!), but I wouldn't say that the accurate ones should be removed. If they can be identified as private driveways, they could more easily just not be rendered on a map with no loss of accurate data for people who might fi

Re: [Talk-us] Should driveways be on OSM?

They can be mapped, especially the long ones and tagged as highway=service, service=driveway, and typically access=private. I don't care for the appearance of the map, it's more important to connect houses that are further away from the main road via the proper driveway to allow navigation to the f

Re: [Talk-us] Should driveways be on OSM?

On 9/28/2015 1:33 AM, Tom Bloom wrote: TIGER drew thousands of driveways that are often simply wrong. They are tagged private and in my opinion spoil the map appearance with little red squiggles all over the place. No other map I've found includes them. Looking around the country, I notice some a

Re: [Talk-us] Should driveways be on OSM?

On Mon, Sep 28, 2015, at 12:33 AM, Tom Bloom wrote: > TIGER drew thousands of driveways that are often simply wrong. They are > tagged private and in my opinion spoil the map appearance with little red > squiggles all over the place. No other map I've found includes them. > Looking around the count

Re: [Talk-us] Should driveways be on OSM?

On 09/28/2015 01:33 AM, Tom Bloom wrote: TIGER drew thousands of driveways that are often simply wrong. They are tagged private and in my opinion spoil the map appearance with little red squiggles all over the place. No other map I've found includes them. Looking around the country, I notice so

Re: [Talk-us] Should driveways be on OSM?

On Mon, Sep 28, 2015 at 12:33 AM, Tom Bloom wrote: > TIGER drew thousands of driveways that are often simply wrong. > So fix them. > They are tagged private and in my opinion spoil the map appearance with > little red squiggles all over the place. > Don't tag for the renderer, make your own r

[Talk-us] Should driveways be on OSM?

TIGER drew thousands of driveways that are often simply wrong. They are tagged private and in my opinion spoil the map appearance with little red squiggles all over the place. No other map I've found includes them. Looking around the country, I notice some areas where they were removed, changed