Re: [Talk-us] place=neighborhood on subdivisions?

The problem with "suburb" is like the problem with "football": there are two meanings, and a very large population that doesn't know about the other meaning. That guarantees widespread misuse. -- Mark On Thu, 24 Sep 2020 11:55:55 -0400 Brian Stromberg wrote: > If suburb is a commonly

Re: [Talk-us] place=neighborhood on subdivisions?

I'd like to clarify my take-aways from this discussion, hopefully yours, too. Thank you for reading and your patience. Brian says that a common (THE common) definition of "suburb" in the US is (roughly) "a smaller city next to or near a much larger one as part of a conurbation." I agree that

Re: [Talk-us] place=neighborhood on subdivisions?

Another vote for Evin and Minh's interpretation. I've been tagging named, signed, suburban (in the US sense) subdivisions with landuse=residential and name=*. I make no distinction among the subdivisions that consist of apartments, terraces, or detached houses (except when mapping the buildings

Re: [Talk-us] place=neighborhood on subdivisions?

If suburb is a commonly understood and useful concept in other countries then it seems good to keep it around. I don't really know what the implications are of retirement or what the process would be. I would instead advocate for country-specific guidance on its usage. -- Brian On Thu, Sep 24,

Re: [Talk-us] place=neighborhood on subdivisions?

I totally agree with Minh here. I always thought that it was standard parctice in OSM to add the name tag to a landuse=residential way that encompasses the subdivision. Subdivision names aren't always used in common parlance (especially if it's a smaller subdivision) so most people wouldn't

Re: [Talk-us] place=neighborhood on subdivisions?

On Thu, Sep 24, 2020 at 8:32 AM Brian Stromberg wrote: > This contradicts the OSM wiki but seems like the only way to avoid > confusion. > Much like sport=american_football vs sport=soccer, this makes sense. Maybe it's time to retire place=suburb as a tag due to its ambiguity? > The only

Re: [Talk-us] place=neighborhood on subdivisions?

> > I don't know that I agree with "suburbs have had a very clear definition > in the United States for decades." To wit, some would say that a "suburb" > can be an incorporated city that is smaller than, but "associated with" > (and maybe even sharing a partial contiguous boundary with) a larger

Re: [Talk-us] place=neighborhood on subdivisions?

Vào lúc 11:02 2020-09-23, stevea đã viết: On Sep 23, 2020, at 10:51 AM, Brian Stromberg wrote: A short question of a lengthy response: What is the history behind that definition of 'suburb'? Is it a result of the term being used that way in UK/Europe/elsewhere? Seems like an odd usage, since

Re: [Talk-us] place=neighborhood on subdivisions?

Vào lúc 21:47 2020-09-22, Paul Johnson đã viết: On Tue, Sep 22, 2020 at 8:56 PM stevea > wrote: If you MUST tag place=neighbourhood (note the u) see if you agree with me that this tag makes most sense in a hierarchy where place=suburb (and perhaps

Re: [Talk-us] place=neighborhood on subdivisions?

Vào lúc 18:40 2020-09-22, Paul Johnson đã viết: On Tue, Sep 22, 2020 at 8:36 PM Mike N > wrote: On 9/22/2020 9:26 PM, Paul Johnson wrote: >         The extra hamlet nodes are import remainders that haven't yet been >     converted to landuse areas. 

Re: [Talk-us] place=neighborhood on subdivisions?

On Sep 23, 2020, at 10:51 AM, Brian Stromberg wrote: > A short question of a lengthy response: What is the history behind that > definition of 'suburb'? Is it a result of the term being used that way in > UK/Europe/elsewhere? Seems like an odd usage, since "suburbs" have had a very > clear

Re: [Talk-us] place=neighborhood on subdivisions?

A short question of a lengthy response: What is the history behind that definition of 'suburb'? Is it a result of the term being used that way in UK/Europe/elsewhere? Seems like an odd usage, since "suburbs" have had a very clear definition in the United States for decades now, and it has nothing

Re: [Talk-us] place=neighborhood on subdivisions?

Below, I answer Paul (first) and Joseph (second), both with substantial detail, so "lengthy post ahead." Paul Johnson wrote: > In terms of Seattle, I don't think Ballard or Magnolia are a suburb. They're > more of a neighborhood, both subordinate to Seattle. Mercer Island or > Bellvue are

Re: [Talk-us] place=neighborhood on subdivisions?

On 23/09/2020 00.52, Paul Johnson wrote: In terms of Seattle, I don't think Ballard or Magnolia are a suburb. They're more of a neighborhood, both subordinate to Seattle. I admit this threw me at first also, but read https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:place%3Dsuburb. To wit: "OSM's

Re: [Talk-us] place=neighborhood on subdivisions?

Settlements which are mapped with the place=* key are usually mapped as a node, not as an area. There are many place=city areas in the USA, but that's because the tag was incorrectly added to many municipal boundaries when they were first imported, years ago. Some neighborhoods have well-defined

Re: [Talk-us] place=neighborhood on subdivisions?

On Tue, Sep 22, 2020 at 9:27 PM stevea wrote: > On Sep 22, 2020, at 7:05 PM, Clifford Snow > wrote: > > For example, in Seattle I lived in the Wallingford Neighborhood. Seattle > has defined boundaries for each of the neighborhoods. In other areas, > neighborhoods are roughly defined by people

Re: [Talk-us] place=neighborhood on subdivisions?

On Tue, Sep 22, 2020 at 8:56 PM stevea wrote: > If you MUST tag place=neighbourhood (note the u) see if you agree with me > that this tag makes most sense in a hierarchy where place=suburb (and > perhaps quarter, if applicable, is/are above) also exist(s). I'm not > strictly saying I believe

Re: [Talk-us] place=neighborhood on subdivisions?

On Sep 22, 2020, at 7:05 PM, Clifford Snow wrote: > For example, in Seattle I lived in the Wallingford Neighborhood. Seattle has > defined boundaries for each of the neighborhoods. In other areas, > neighborhoods are roughly defined by people living there. In those cases > using a place= tag

Re: [Talk-us] place=neighborhood on subdivisions?

Whoops, "but NOT if it isn't something like a council" SteveA ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us

Re: [Talk-us] place=neighborhood on subdivisions?

Clifford: I certainly agree with you if (and likely only if) there is something like a neighborhood council that actually has some sort of "administrative" function (which could be as "lowly" as dog catcher, mosquito abatement, or "sub-municipal parks department for these three neighborhood

Re: [Talk-us] place=neighborhood on subdivisions?

Steve, If the boundaries exist, you could use admin_level=10. Most of the neighborhoods I'm familiar with are just small subdivisions within the city. For example, in Seattle I lived in the Wallingford Neighborhood. Seattle has defined boundaries for each of the neighborhoods. In other areas,

Re: [Talk-us] place=neighborhood on subdivisions?

If you MUST tag place=neighbourhood (note the u) see if you agree with me that this tag makes most sense in a hierarchy where place=suburb (and perhaps quarter, if applicable, is/are above) also exist(s). I'm not strictly saying I believe that place=neighbourhood CANNOT exist without

Re: [Talk-us] place=neighborhood on subdivisions?

On Tue, Sep 22, 2020 at 8:36 PM Mike N wrote: > On 9/22/2020 9:26 PM, Paul Johnson wrote: > > The extra hamlet nodes are import remainders that haven't yet > been > > converted to landuse areas. The general landuse zones for that area > > have been identified, but do not

Re: [Talk-us] place=neighborhood on subdivisions?

On 9/22/2020 9:26 PM, Paul Johnson wrote:    The extra hamlet nodes are import remainders that haven't yet been converted to landuse areas.   The general landuse zones for that area have been identified, but do not exactly correspond to the named subdivisions.   As I get a

Re: [Talk-us] place=neighborhood on subdivisions?

On Tue, Sep 22, 2020 at 8:20 PM Mike N wrote: > On 9/22/2020 8:56 PM, Karson Sommer wrote: > > > > Looking around the area of the edit, there is a lot of stuff from my > > perspective that seems fishy. There are a bunch of place=hamlet nodes? I > > certainly don't see anything that should be

Re: [Talk-us] place=neighborhood on subdivisions?

On 9/22/2020 8:56 PM, Karson Sommer wrote: Looking around the area of the edit, there is a lot of stuff from my perspective that seems fishy. There are a bunch of place=hamlet nodes? I certainly don't see anything that should be tagged as a hamlet, they all look like place=neighborhood to

Re: [Talk-us] place=neighborhood on subdivisions?

I'm harmonious with Minh's comments in the changeset. The place key, with value suburb, has quite specific meanings, I don't think these are those. And as we don't or shouldn't be truly precise and especially not authoritative with "legal subdivisions," I think the "more informal" nature of

Re: [Talk-us] place=neighborhood on subdivisions?

On Tue, Sep 22, 2020 at 7:14 PM Mike N wrote: > Thoughts on use of place=neighborhood for subdivisions? > https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/91255294 > >Note that there are many thousands already tagged this way (5000 plus > in a section of the southeast alone). I'd consider a

Re: [Talk-us] place=neighborhood on subdivisions?

I agree with the way it was already mapped. Subdivisions should be mapped as areas tagged with landuse=residential, place=neighborhood, and name=* if it is named. Looking around the area of the edit, there is a lot of stuff from my perspective that seems fishy. There are a bunch of place=hamlet

Re: [Talk-us] place=neighborhood on subdivisions?

: talk-us@openstreetmap.orgSubject: [Talk-us] place=neighborhood on subdivisions? Thoughts on use of place=neighborhood for subdivisions? https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/91255294    Note that there are many thousands already tagged this way (5000 plus in a section of the southeast alone

[Talk-us] place=neighborhood on subdivisions?

Thoughts on use of place=neighborhood for subdivisions? https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/91255294 Note that there are many thousands already tagged this way (5000 plus in a section of the southeast alone). ___ Talk-us mailing list