Re: Update on the Status of Software

2005-02-28 Thread Mic Cullen
At 19:20 [GMT+0200] on Thursday January 20 (actual time - 1:20am on Friday in Perth, Western Australia), you wrote: I've a lot of questions, but maybe one short (because they can be answered with yes, no or maybe) one: Are you planing another BugFixing-Beta cycle after the current cycle?

Re: Update on the Status of Software

2005-02-28 Thread Roelof Otten
Hallo Mic, On Mon, 28 Feb 2005 16:27:40 +0800GMT (28-2-2005, 9:27 +0100, where I live), you wrote: Let us finish the current cycle first. J Man, this just arrived at 1542 this afternoon!!! Weird. Yep, but it was a duplicate of a message that arrived here over a month ago. -- Groetjes, Roelof

Re: Update on the Status of Software

2005-02-28 Thread Mic Cullen
At 10:10 [GMT+0100] on Monday February 28 (actual time - 5:10pm on Monday in Perth, Western Australia), you wrote: Let us finish the current cycle first. J Man, this just arrived at 1542 this afternoon!!! Weird. Yep, but it was a duplicate of a message that arrived here over a month ago. Ah,

Re: Update on the Status of Software

2005-01-26 Thread Edvinas Matiuaitis
Hello Maxim, On Thursday, January 20, 2005, at 19:07, you wrote: Was any work done on Unicode support MM What do you mean exactly? I want: 1) Write utf-8 messages (lithuanian and russian text in a message); 2) To see both lithuanian and russian text in the same subject in message list (of

Re: Update on the Status of Software

2005-01-26 Thread Manuel Breitfeld
Hello Edvinas, on 26.01.2005 at 16:15 you wrote: 1) Write utf-8 messages (lithuanian and russian text in a message); 2) To see both lithuanian and russian text in the same subject in message list (of course when message is utf-8); 3) To be able to have Lithuanian names in Lithuanian and

Re: Update on the Status of Software

2005-01-23 Thread Eddie Castelli
Dear Dierk, -- Freitag, 21. Januar 2005, 14:11:51: Any chance for the next one? Let's just let them work out this one! Too many already complained that it takes so long. It was not meant to push them for a implementation now. Just want to find out if such thoughts are done on the AB.

Re[2]: Mod: Cut mark (was: Update on the Status of Software)

2005-01-22 Thread Peter Hampf
Hello Max, on Thu, 20 Jan 2005 22:41:23 +0200 GMT your local time you wrote: MM Is the sig delimiter now OK? MM X-Mailer: The Bat! (v3.0.2.10) UNREG / CD5BF9353B3B7091 ??? -- Regards, Peter Using Ritlabs TheBat! 3.0.2.10 (OS: Windows XP 5.1.2600 Service Pack 2)

Re: Mod: Cut mark (was: Update on the Status of Software)

2005-01-22 Thread Mic Cullen
At 01:18 [GMT+0100] on Sunday January 23 (actual time - 8:18am on Sunday in Perth, Western Australia), you wrote: Peter Hello Max, Peter on Thu, 20 Jan 2005 22:41:23 +0200 GMT your local time you wrote: MM Is the sig delimiter now OK? MM X-Mailer: The Bat! (v3.0.2.10) UNREG / CD5BF9353B3B7091

Re[2]: Update on the Status of Software

2005-01-21 Thread Goncalo Farias
LG Hi Goncalo, LG On Fri, 21 Jan 2005, at 04:11:56 [GMT +] (which was 9:11 PM where LG I live) you wrote: GF Noun: demagog GF 1. An orator who appeals to the passions and prejudices of his audience LG Aren't semantics great? LG Merriam Webster: LG Noun: LG a leader who makes use of popular

Re: Update on the Status of Software

2005-01-21 Thread Peter Fjelsten
Goncalo, On 21-01-2005 09:23, you [GF] wrote in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]: GF Really, I have better things to do so I just cut the signature and GF move on. Who else votes for a ban? GF If this was a list that didn't have to do with TB! beta tests, you GF could be sure that I would go elsewhere.

Re[5]: Update on the Status of Software

2005-01-21 Thread Paul Van Noord
1/21/2005 5:17 AM Hi Goncalo, Maybe I lost my sensibility. Maybe. Attitude is very important...no, attitude is everything! Your carping and sniping is clogging up the positive communication. Please restrict your correspondence to issues regarding The Bat! beta. I, for one, will

Re: Update on the Status of Software

2005-01-21 Thread Mary Bull
Hello Paul! On Friday, January 21, 2005, 4:32 AM, you wrote: Please restrict your correspondence to issues regarding The Bat! beta. I, for one, will appreciate it immensely. Confirmed. I will appreciate that immensely, also. We are going to receive a new beta--in the development team's good

Re: Update on the Status of Software

2005-01-21 Thread Eddie Castelli
Dear Maxim, -- Donnerstag, 20. Januar 2005, 21:38:07: As you count the major changes of the coming Version may I ask the follow: Have there being any changes in the AB? I'm asking as I feel many times the need to have more than one (1) subfolder. No, we didn't plan this for the upcoming

Re: Update on the Status of Software

2005-01-21 Thread Dierk Haasis
Hello Eddie! On Friday, January 21, 2005 at 12:41:30 PM you wrote: Any chance for the next one? Let's just let them work out this one! Too many already complained that it takes so long. -- Dierk Haasis :Dierk: Copy 'n' Concept The Bat 3.0.2.10 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Chat

Re: Update on the Status of Software

2005-01-21 Thread Leif Gregory
Hello Marck, Thursday, January 20, 2005, 4:14:48 PM, you wrote: M Just to pick you up *right* there my friend, there is an extremely M good reason why TB does it the way it does it and why it is not M wrong. Far from it. It is absolutely correct. Imagine a digest with M multiple messages and

Screenreaders and TB (was: Update on the Status of Software)

2005-01-21 Thread Thomas Fernandez
Hello Maxim, On Thu, 20 Jan 2005 18:46:37 +0200 GMT (20/01/2005, 23:46 +0700 GMT), Maxim Masiutin wrote: MM I will give a little technical update. Thanks. MM The batskin.ini, which was a temporary glyph definition file, will MM no longer be read, the new file which will persist will be MM

Re[2]: Update on the Status of Software

2005-01-21 Thread Goncalo Farias
GMM Friday, January 21, 2005, 6:11:56 AM, Goncalo Farias wrote: GMM I don't think that moderators are demagogs. This is contradiction in terms, I was referring to the concern with those people paying their internet per byte DL'ed. -- Best regards, Goncalo Farias Software Aria - The

Re[3]: Update on the Status of Software

2005-01-21 Thread Cees
Het was op vrijdag 21 januari 2005 om 23:41 uur dat jij iets schreef over 'Update on the Status of Software' : Hallo Goncalo, GMM I don't think that moderators are demagogs. This is contradiction in terms, I was referring to the concern with those people paying their internet per byte

Re[4]: Update on the Status of Software

2005-01-21 Thread Goncalo Farias
C Het was op vrijdag 21 januari 2005 om 23:41 uur dat jij iets C schreef over 'Update on the Status of Software' : C Hallo Goncalo, GMM I don't think that moderators are demagogs. This is contradiction in terms, I was referring to the concern with those people paying their internet per

Re: Update on the Status of Software

2005-01-20 Thread Dierk Haasis
Hello Michael! On Thursday, January 20, 2005 at 8:26:18 AM you wrote: They promised working IMAP and the working NFS for v2 ... Now I payed for v3 (for the same features they promised/advertised in v2) - and still bugs, bugs, bugs. Don't you think I have the right for a working version?

Re: Update on the Status of Software

2005-01-20 Thread Michael Schneider
Hi Dierk, Donnerstag, 20. Januar 2005, 09:01: Apart from Leif declaring this thread DH'ed Sorry, but i read the DH-message afterwards. I chime in with the biggest mantra of shareware: Try, try, try ... before you buy. As you said. You can *try*. But only try. In 30 days you are not

Re[4]: Update on the Status of Software

2005-01-20 Thread Maxim Masiutin
A simply inquiry which I'm sure Max will provide an answer to as he did before Christmas. We could have compiled the beta today, but some things don't yet work after the rework. Such things are Quick Search etc. I think that WIR will be the most exact estimate ;-) -- , Maxim

Re[5]: Update on the Status of Software

2005-01-20 Thread Cees
Het was op donderdag 20 januari 2005 om 17:32 uur dat jij iets schreef over 'Update on the Status of Software' : Hallo Maxim, A simply inquiry which I'm sure Max will provide an answer to as he did before Christmas. We could have compiled the beta today, but some things don't yet work

Re[2]: Update on the Status of Software

2005-01-20 Thread Maxim Masiutin
OK, it'd be nice if someone gave us the occasional update on what was happening, but they don't /have/ to; for what it's worth I don't even believe they've a moral obligation to. They're going to tell us when they tell us. It may be they don't give us an update until they actually release the

Re: Update on the Status of Software

2005-01-20 Thread Chris Weaven
Hi Max, The original quoted text below was written on 20/01/2005 16:46 my local time; Feel free to ask questions. Has much work been done in progressing with IMAP? -- Chris Current beta is 3.0.2.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information:

Re[3]: Update on the Status of Software

2005-01-20 Thread Cees
Het was op donderdag 20 januari 2005 om 17:46 uur dat jij iets schreef over 'Update on the Status of Software' : Hallo Maxim, they tell us. It may be they don't give us an update until they actually release the next version. Whatever. I will give a little technical update. The batskin.ini

Re: Re[2]: Update on the Status of Software

2005-01-20 Thread Dennis Hays
Quoting Maxim Masiutin [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I will give a little technical update. The batskin.ini, which was a temporary glyph definition file, will no longer be read, the new file which will persist will be batskin.xml; the format of the language file for the people who translate The Bat!

Re: Update on the Status of Software

2005-01-20 Thread Kian Andersen
Maxim Masiutin skrev: Feel free to ask questions. How about imap support? I had so much trouble with it that I am using Thunderbird! And I really miss some of The Bat!'s features! My problems being: 1) Sometimes messages would not load. 2) Sometimes messages are shown to be there more then once

Re: Update on the Status of Software

2005-01-20 Thread Edvinas Matiuaitis
Hello Maxim, On Thursday, January 20, 2005, at 18:46, you wrote: MM Feel free to ask questions. Was any work done on Unicode support? -- Edvinas Current beta is 3.0.2.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information:

Re[4]: Update on the Status of Software

2005-01-20 Thread Maxim Masiutin
Secondly, the first question that pops to mind is: will the languagefiles automatically be updated to the new format when launching new 'batty'? The Bat! will read localized strings from the old LNG files as usual. Current beta is

Re[2]: Update on the Status of Software

2005-01-20 Thread Maxim Masiutin
Has much work been done in progressing with IMAP? Much work have been done, but you will have to evaluate whether it was successful :-) Current beta is 3.0.2.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information:

Re[2]: Update on the Status of Software

2005-01-20 Thread Maxim Masiutin
How about imap support? 9Val is currently working on that. Current beta is 3.0.2.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first -

Re[2]: Update on the Status of Software

2005-01-20 Thread Maxim Masiutin
Was any work done on Unicode support What do you mean exactly? Current beta is 3.0.2.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first -

Re: Update on the Status of Software

2005-01-20 Thread Boris Anders
Hello Maxim, Maxim Masiutin wrote (in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]): I will give a little technical update. Thanks you very much. Feel free to ask questions. I've a lot of questions, but maybe one short (because they can be answered with yes, no or maybe) one: Are you planing another BugFixing-Beta

Re: Update on the Status of Software

2005-01-20 Thread Chris Weaven
Hi Max, The original quoted text below was written on 20/01/2005 17:04 my local time; Has much work been done in progressing with IMAP? Much work have been done, but you will have to evaluate whether it was successful :-) Great, I look forward to testing it :-) Thanks Max.

Re: Update on the Status of Software

2005-01-20 Thread Kian Andersen
Maxim Masiutin skrev: How about imap support? 9Val is currently working on that. Nice to know! But what about my other question? [quote] Also would it be possible to define a imap folder as the spam folder? I have a folder on my server named SPAM which gathers the most but I would like it to show

Re: Update on the Status of Software

2005-01-20 Thread Eddie Castelli
Dear Maxim, -- Donnerstag, 20. Januar 2005, 17:46:37: I will give a little technical update. The batskin.ini, which was a temporary glyph definition file, will no longer be read, the new file which will persist will be batskin.xml; the format of the language file for the people who

Re: Update on the Status of Software

2005-01-20 Thread Boris Anders
Hello Eddie, Eddie Castelli wrote (in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]): Have there being any changes in the AB? I agree that in the AB there is much potential for improvements: (Here my favorite ones) https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=1861 https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=2202

Re: Update on the Status of Software

2005-01-20 Thread Chris Wilson
Thursday, January 20, 2005, 4:46:37 PM, you wrote: OK, it'd be nice if someone gave us the occasional update on what was happening, but they don't /have/ to; for what it's worth I don't even believe they've a moral obligation to. They're going to tell us when they tell us. It may be they

Re: Update on the Status of Software

2005-01-20 Thread Peter Meyns
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Boris, on Thu, 20 Jan 2005 18:13:49 +0100GMT, you wrote: BA Are you planing another BugFixing-Beta cycle after the current cycle? I'm just a list member with no particularly close relations to RITlabs, but I dare to say, yes, certainly! Unless

Re: Update on the Status of Software

2005-01-20 Thread Leif Gregory
Hello Cees, Thursday, January 20, 2005, 9:51:28 AM, you wrote: C first off I feel free to say thank you guys for all the hard work. C Because I know it's a hell of a lot of work. C Secondly, the first question that pops to mind is: will the C languagefiles automatically be updated to the new

Re[2]: Update on the Status of Software

2005-01-20 Thread NetVicious
jueves, 20 ene 2005 at 08:26, it seems you wrote: As read below in my prior message. TB! doesn't focus on John Doe home users in the first way but advanced home users and semiprofessionalls. And they will use IMAP more and more often. A lot of companies use at work an Exchange server, so the

Re: Mod: Cut mark (was: Update on the Status of Software)

2005-01-20 Thread Maxim Masiutin
Not often a moderator gets to moderate a developer! grin Is the sig delimiter now OK? -- Current beta is 3.0.2.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester,

Re[2]: Update on the Status of Software

2005-01-20 Thread Maxim Masiutin
As you count the major changes of the coming Version may I ask the follow: Have there being any changes in the AB? I'm asking as I feel many times the need to have more than one (1) subfolder. No, we didn't plan this for the upcoming version.

Re[2]: Update on the Status of Software

2005-01-20 Thread Maxim Masiutin
I've a lot of questions, but maybe one short (because they can be answered with yes, no or maybe) one: Are you planing another BugFixing-Beta cycle after the current cycle? Let us finish the current cycle first. Current beta is

Re: Mod: Cut mark (was: Update on the Status of Software)

2005-01-20 Thread Leif Gregory
Hello Maxim, Thursday, January 20, 2005, 1:41:23 PM, you wrote: M Is the sig delimiter now OK? Perfect... Thank you! :-) -- __ TBUDL/BETA/DEV/TECH Lists Moderator / PGP 0x6C0AB16B ( ) ( ___)(_ _)( ___) TBUDP Wiki Site: http://www.PCWize.com/thebat/tbudp )(__ )__)

Re[3]: Update on the Status of Software

2005-01-20 Thread NetVicious
jueves, 20 ene 2005 at 17:46, it seems you wrote: I will give a little technical update. The batskin.ini, which was a temporary glyph definition file, will no longer be read, the new file which will persist will be batskin.xml; the format of the language file for the people who translate The

Re: Update on the Status of Software

2005-01-20 Thread Raymund Tump
Hello Cees, Hope that the new beta will not crash on me, as the latest started doing ever since two days ago now. Still don't get it why that began to happen. I had the same problem till I understood that my bat doesn't like a dial-up connection if it comes to IMAP. Dialing on myself

Re[2]: Update on the Status of Software

2005-01-20 Thread Cees
Het was op donderdag 20 januari 2005 om 21:22 uur dat jij iets schreef over 'Update on the Status of Software' : Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Authenticated-Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Spam-Processed: shhh.nl, Thu, 20 Jan 2005 22:11

Re: Update on the Status of Software

2005-01-20 Thread Dierk Haasis
Hello Cees! On Thursday, January 20, 2005 at 10:01:12 PM you wrote: no... why should I? 1. Because a moderator said so. 2. Leif explained it. I'd say that The Bat! should handle this particular issue in a different way. As do most emailprograms as I remember How? How should

Re: Update on the Status of Software

2005-01-20 Thread Leif Gregory
Hello Cees, Thursday, January 20, 2005, 2:01:12 PM, you wrote: C no... why should I? Let's see. (for reference, please read the welcome message you were sent when you subscribed). 1. You are violating section G of the list rules which state that you sig should be about 4-6 lines. Yours

Re: Update on the Status of Software

2005-01-20 Thread Marck D Pearlstone
Dear Leif, @20-Jan-2005, 14:31 -0700 (20-Jan 21:31 UK time) Leif Gregory [LG] in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said to Cees: C apparently it does. why is that my fault? I'd say that The Bat! C should handle this particular issue in a different way. As do most C emailprograms as I remember LG You'll

Re[3]: Update on the Status of Software

2005-01-20 Thread Goncalo Farias
N jueves, 20 ene 2005 at 08:26, it seems you wrote: As read below in my prior message. TB! doesn't focus on John Doe home users in the first way but advanced home users and semiprofessionalls. And they will use IMAP more and more often. N A lot of companies use at work an

Re[2]: Update on the Status of Software

2005-01-20 Thread Goncalo Farias
C Is this ALL that is bothering you? I'd say that the way people C address each other is a way more important item to follow. And C please don't come with the argument of message sizes. LG Primarily it's messy. When someone replies to your messages, they LG must manually cut out your

Re: Update on the Status of Software

2005-01-20 Thread Leif Gregory
Hi Goncalo, On Thu, 20 Jan 2005, at 23:33:53 [GMT +] (which was 4:33 PM where I live) you wrote: GF Gesh! Huge task.. don't know how you can manage that just by yourself. Netiquette exists for the same reason it's considered impolite to eat mashed potatoes with your hands. The adults learned

Re: Update on the Status of Software

2005-01-20 Thread Greg Strong
Hello Maxim, Thursday, January 20, 2005, 10:32:41 AM, Maxim Masiutin wrote: I think that WIR will be the most exact estimate ;-) Good answer, and good signature! , Maxim mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Translating your signature per http://translation2.paralink.com/

Re[3]: Update on the Status of Software

2005-01-20 Thread Paul Van Noord
1/20/2005 9:41 PM Hi Goncalo, Gesh! Huge task.. don't know how you can manage that just by yourself. You're being demagog. No big deal with that. I already justify all the text and that really ONLY affects people that actually reply to the message. I believe this list existed before you

Re[2]: Update on the Status of Software

2005-01-20 Thread Goncalo Farias
GF You're being demagog. LG Has nothing to do with trying to gain power. I already have it, LG always did. That kind of happens when your the creator of LG something. What matters is wielding that power for the greater I never meant it had anything to do with gaining power. Good

Re[4]: Update on the Status of Software

2005-01-20 Thread Goncalo Farias
PVN 1/20/2005 9:41 PM PVN Hi Goncalo, You're being demagog. No big deal with that. I already justify all the text and that really ONLY affects people that actually reply to the message. PVN I believe this list existed before you joined it. Since that is PVN the case you have two

Re: Update on the Status of Software

2005-01-20 Thread Leif Gregory
Hi Goncalo, On Fri, 21 Jan 2005, at 04:11:56 [GMT +] (which was 9:11 PM where I live) you wrote: GF Noun: demagog GF 1. An orator who appeals to the passions and prejudices of his audience Aren't semantics great? Merriam Webster: Noun: a leader who makes use of popular prejudices and false

Re: Update on the Status of Software

2005-01-20 Thread Keith Russell
Greg Strong wrote: Respect I believe that would be WITH Respect. :-) -- Keith Current beta is 3.0.2.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link

Re: Update on the Status of Software

2005-01-19 Thread Alexander S. Kunz
Hello Michael Schneider everyone else, on 19-Jan-2005 at 01:57 you (Michael Schneider) wrote: The growing number of novice users will laugh at TB! and deinstall it as quick as you say 'hello' if they see all the nice and playfull stuff but realize that major functions just ... *ahem* ...

Re: Update on the Status of Software

2005-01-19 Thread Roelof Otten
Hallo Alexander, On Wed, 19 Jan 2005 12:30:24 +0100GMT (19-1-2005, 12:30 +0100, where I live), you wrote: ASK And TB is a superb POP3 client. Sure is. And especially the growing number of novice users will look for an client which works correctly and doesn't produce one exception after

Re: Update on the Status of Software

2005-01-19 Thread Michael Schneider
Guten Tag Alexander, am Mittwoch, 19. Januar 2005 um 12:30 schrieben Sie: Doesn't concern me at all. I'm a private home user. Why would I need IMAP? And for the average Joe User, I bet that he'll be a POP3 user just as well. And TB is a superb POP3 client. Oh. Ok. RITlabs announces IMAP and

Re: Update on the Status of Software

2005-01-19 Thread Alexander S. Kunz
Hello Michael Schneider everyone else, on 19-Jan-2005 at 12:49 you (Michael Schneider) wrote: Doesn't concern me at all. I'm a private home user. Why would I need IMAP? And for the average Joe User, I bet that he'll be a POP3 user just as well. And TB is a superb POP3 client. Oh. Ok.

Re[2]: Update on the Status of Software

2005-01-19 Thread Goncalo Farias
ASK Hello Michael Schneider everyone else, ASK on 19-Jan-2005 at 01:57 you (Michael Schneider) wrote: And especially the growing number of novice users will look for an client which works correctly and doesn't produce one exception after another, won't they? ASK Oh come on PLEASE... you're

Re[3]: Update on the Status of Software

2005-01-19 Thread Dick H
Hello Goncalo, On Wednesday, January 19, 2005 at 20:47:22 GMT + (which was 21:47:22 where I live), Goncalo Farias wrote and made these valuable points on the subject of Update on the Status of Software: It doesn't crash because it looks like it was built with a borland compiler

Re[2]: Update on the Status of Software

2005-01-19 Thread Goncalo Farias
ASK Hello Michael Schneider everyone else, ASK on 19-Jan-2005 at 12:49 you (Michael Schneider) wrote: TheBat! focuses on (semi)professionall users with it features, lookfeel, etc. - not on John Doe homeusers who want to send funpics all two to three days. ASK And I am glad

Re[4]: Update on the Status of Software

2005-01-19 Thread Goncalo Farias
DH Hello Goncalo, DH On Wednesday, January 19, 2005 at 20:47:22 GMT + (which was DH 21:47:22 where I live), Goncalo Farias wrote and made these valuable DH points on the subject of Update on the Status of Software: It doesn't crash because it looks like it was built with a borland

Re: Update on the Status of Software

2005-01-19 Thread Michael Schneider
Hi Alexander, Mittwoch, 19. Januar 2005, 18:38: Please don't drag this out of the context. I was talking about novice users, which I understand are private home users (mostly), and those won't use or need IMAP as often as pro/business users, if at all. Someone correct me if this assumption

Re: Update on the Status of Software

2005-01-18 Thread Vilius umskas
Richard Wakeford [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello Ethan, On Mon, 17 Jan 2005 you wrote in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] EJM I've noticed all is quiet at this time. Is there any anticipated EJM time line for the next beta? Reminds me of holiday trips when we were children. Are we there yet? every five

Re: Update on the Status of Software

2005-01-18 Thread Jernej Simoncic
On Tuesday, January 18, 2005, 9:02:16, Vilius umskas wrote: It's not Open Source project Richard. You can't say it will be done when it's done. All we (almost) paid for this product, and we expect support and answers! Standard reply in Borland and Opera newsgroups (and probably at other

Re: Update on the Status of Software

2005-01-18 Thread Dierk Haasis
Hello Vilius! On Tuesday, January 18, 2005 at 9:02:16 AM you wrote: All we (almost) paid for this product, and we expect support and answers! Expectations, expectations ... Sure, I haven't read many license agreements lately but, is support and answers actually what we pay for? Many big

Re: Update on the Status of Software

2005-01-18 Thread Vilius umskas
Jernej Simoncic [EMAIL PROTECTED] ra: On Tuesday, January 18, 2005, 9:02:16, Vilius umskas wrote: It's not Open Source project Richard. You can't say it will be done when it's done. All we (almost) paid for this product, and we expect support and answers! Standard reply in Borland and Opera

Re: Update on the Status of Software

2005-01-18 Thread Michael Schneider
Hallöchen Dierk, Tuesday, January 18, 2005 @ 9:48:13 AM: Sure, I haven't read many license agreements lately but, is support and answers actually what we pay for? Many big corporations offer support plans, where you have to pay extra for support. The same corporations and many lesser one,

Re: Update on the Status of Software

2005-01-18 Thread Vilius umskas
Jernej Simoncic [EMAIL PROTECTED] ra: On Tuesday, January 18, 2005, 9:02:16, Vilius umskas wrote: It's not Open Source project Richard. You can't say it will be done when it's done. All we (almost) paid for this product, and we expect support and answers! Standard reply in Borland and Opera

Re[2]: Update on the Status of Software

2005-01-18 Thread Richard Wakeford
Hello Vilius, On Tue, 18 Jan 2005 you wrote in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] VŠ You can't say it will be done when it's VŠ done. All we (almost) paid for this product, and we expect support and VŠ answers! I made the comment because the same person has asked the same question on a regular basis, that's

Re: Update on the Status of Software

2005-01-18 Thread Michael Schneider
Halli hallo Vilius, Tuesday, January 18, 2005 @ 9:54:12 AM: I don't expect new version. I expect bugs to be fixed. Bugs that populated bugtraq almost 2 years now. Such as IMAP bugs, TLS/SSL bugs, dozen of interface bugs (?!) Totally agreed and supported! And to get this straight: I won't

Re: Update on the Status of Software

2005-01-18 Thread Dierk Haasis
Hello Richard! On Tuesday, January 18, 2005 at 10:00:15 AM you wrote: it's due fairly soon so just be patient. Which reminds me of one of my favourite phrases from *Star Wars*: Patience, young Jedi, patience ...! -- Dierk Haasis :Dierk: Copy 'n' Concept The Bat 3.0.2.10 on Windows XP 5.1

Re: Update on the Status of Software

2005-01-18 Thread Dierk Haasis
Hello Michael! On Tuesday, January 18, 2005 at 9:58:21 AM you wrote: Don't compare apples and oranges. First of all: Don't tell me what to do or not to do. Then, what should I compare, apples with apples? How futile is that, you can only (informationally interesting) compare things that are

Re: Update on the Status of Software

2005-01-18 Thread Michael Schneider
Hi Dierk, Tuesday, January 18, 2005 @ 10:26:30 AM: Don't compare apples and oranges. First of all: Don't tell me what to do or not to do. Oh yeah. I gave you a strict military order and wanted you to jump up and down ;-) My godness... Michael -- Überall ist was am Kochen, aber nirgendwo

Re: Update on the Status of Software

2005-01-18 Thread Stuart Hemming
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 MS And to get this straight: I won't buy any new version, won't pay for a MS brand new v4 unless major bugs are fixed in v3. Calm down. No one said anything about having to pay for anything. In fact someone from RITLabs specifically said that the only

Re: Update on the Status of Software

2005-01-18 Thread Dierk Haasis
Hello Michael! On Tuesday, January 18, 2005 at 10:28:57 AM you wrote: Don't compare apples and oranges. First of all: Don't tell me what to do or not to do. Oh yeah. I gave you a strict military order and wanted you to jump up and down ;-) As I always say, smileys don't make it better.

Re: Update on the Status of Software

2005-01-18 Thread Marck D Pearlstone
Dear Michael, @18-Jan-2005, 10:06 +0100 (18-Jan 09:06 UK time) Michael Schneider [MS] in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said to Vilius: I don't expect new version. I expect bugs to be fixed. Bugs that populated bugtraq almost 2 years now. Such as IMAP bugs, TLS/SSL bugs, dozen of interface bugs (?!)

Re: Update on the Status of Software

2005-01-18 Thread Marck D Pearlstone
Dear Michael, @18-Jan-2005, 09:58 +0100 (18-Jan 08:58 UK time) Michael Schneider [MS] in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said to Dierk: ... snip Yes, it would be nice to get at least rough estimates and the occasional we are listening from RITLabs, but are we entitled to get it? MS Yepp, 'cause we

Re: Update on the Status of Software

2005-01-18 Thread Dierk Haasis
Hello Marck! On Tuesday, January 18, 2005 at 12:05:45 PM you wrote: MS They bought TheBat! normally via element5 and so German law MS applies. Unless, of course, you have it in writing, signed and dated by a legal representative of RIT. The legal position seems completely clear to me. BTW,

Re[3]: Update on the Status of Software

2005-01-18 Thread Ethan J. Mings
Tuesday, January 18, 2005, 4:00:15 AM, you wrote: I made the comment because the same person has asked the same question on a regular basis, that's all. Yes, we are all waiting for a newer version but I seem to remember (I've deleted the original) that the developers said it was being put

Re[4]: Update on the Status of Software

2005-01-18 Thread Richard Wakeford
Hello Ethan, On Tue, 18 Jan 2005 you wrote in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] EJM Time lines are important. Sorry but that's rubbish in this case. It doesn't make a penny worth of difference whether they bring out the beta tomorrow or this time next week. I'm sure they're trying to get the best possible

Re[5]: Update on the Status of Software

2005-01-18 Thread Ethan J. Mings
Tuesday, January 18, 2005, 7:11:05 AM, you wrote: EJM Time lines are important. Sorry but that's rubbish in this case. It doesn't make a penny worth of difference whether they bring out the beta tomorrow or this time next week. I'm sure they're trying to get the best possible programme out

Re: Update on the Status of Software

2005-01-18 Thread Dierk Haasis
Hello Richard! On Tuesday, January 18, 2005 at 1:11:05 PM you wrote: And my answer was just as simple. Be patient and wait for a, hopefully, fairly bug free beta which will be released when they are ready to release it. Let me add that TB is still rather on the good side. I use a number of

Re[6]: Update on the Status of Software

2005-01-18 Thread Richard Wakeford
Hello Ethan, On Tue, 18 Jan 2005 you wrote in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] EJM I simply don't agree. OK, well just agree to differ. It's just that, if someone asks the question once, it's easy to ignore and just hit the delete button. After a few times it gets a bit wearing. We're all waiting of the

Re: Update on the Status of Software

2005-01-18 Thread Dierk Haasis
Hello Ethan! On Tuesday, January 18, 2005 at 1:22:31 PM you wrote: Again, the best person to answer this question is Max and he will do so when he can. Jerry, if you believe this statement, which you uttered two times now in this thread, why do you ask over and over again? -- Dierk

Re[2]: Update on the Status of Software

2005-01-18 Thread Richard Wakeford
Hello Dierk, On Tue, 18 Jan 2005 you wrote in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] DH Whatever you do, whatever your attitude as a company, you cannot win. A worldwide problem. If there's even the smallest thing to moan at there'll always be someone who'll come out from hiding and moan and then go back again.

Re: Update on the Status of Software

2005-01-18 Thread Dennis Hays
Quoting Marck D Pearlstone [EMAIL PROTECTED]: --snipped-- They have announced right here that their version / beta release policy has changed and that they will never again release bug-ridden versions just because marketing tell them the time is right. And to

Re: Update on the Status of Software

2005-01-18 Thread Mary Bull
Hello Dennis! On Tuesday, January 18, 2005, 6:46 AM, you wrote: Quoting Marck D Pearlstone [EMAIL PROTECTED]: --snipped-- They have announced right here that their version / beta release policy has changed and that they will never again release bug-ridden

Re[2]: Update on the Status of Software

2005-01-18 Thread Ethan J. Mings
Tuesday, January 18, 2005, 7:46:04 AM, you wrote: RITLabs has agreed to a proposal Dierk Haasis and I submitted regarding the re-write and updating of the Help text. Currently, Dierk and I are busy reformatting, redesigning, and rewriting. Thank you. Jerry -- Ethan J. Mings Principal, The

Re: Update on the Status of Software

2005-01-18 Thread Greg Strong
Hello Dennis, Tuesday, January 18, 2005, 6:46:04 AM, Dennis Hays wrote: RITLabs has agreed to a proposal Dierk Haasis and I submitted regarding the re-write and updating of the Help text. Currently, Dierk and I are busy reformatting, redesigning, and rewriting. IMHO an improved and more

Re: Update on the Status of Software

2005-01-18 Thread Dennis Hays
Quoting Greg Strong [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hello Dennis, Tuesday, January 18, 2005, 6:46:04 AM, Dennis Hays wrote: Although I speak English I am concerned about Ritlabs and TB reaching the product's market potential. Will the revised help text be available for all languages included in the

Re: Update on the Status of Software

2005-01-18 Thread Dierk Haasis
Hello Dennis! On Tuesday, January 18, 2005 at 5:07:05 PM you wrote: I cannot answer as to RITLabs intentions and production. We (Dierk and I) writing in English. Since my own command of German isn't that bad a German version may eventually crop up. But let's first go through with the most

Re: Update on the Status of Software

2005-01-18 Thread Greg Strong
Hello Dierk, Tuesday, January 18, 2005, 10:23:38 AM, Dierk Haasis wrote: I cannot answer as to RITLabs intentions and production. We (Dierk and I) writing in English. Since my own command of German isn't that bad a German version may eventually crop up. I thought you were German. If I'm

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