Hi Jonathan
Monday, October 6, 2003, 1:25:12 AM, you wrote:
V Perhaps you could include the cut mark as part of the listserv footer
V then, instead of relying on users?
JA> Although I say this might be one good idea, it doesn't get rid of the
JA> fact that some people have huge signature
Hi Marck
Monday, October 6, 2003, 5:29:11 AM, you wrote:
MDP>> It doesn't work properly in TB by default. It only cuts the
MDP>> last signature it finds. Also, only the final cut mark is also
MDP>> seen as the real signature delimiter by the RTV, defeating TB's
MDP>> wonderful signature display f
Hi Thomas
Monday, October 6, 2003, 2:06:31 AM, you wrote:
TF> It doesn't seem to have made it into the archives yet. Marck just says
TF> that putting a cutmark into the list footer wouldn't work for TB, was
TF> tested,etc.
Thanks..Marck replied too.
TF> That's an old song; Marck is referring to
Hi Deborah
Saturday, October 4, 2003, 5:24:51 PM, you wrote:
DW> Marck has already explained why this does not work, earlier in this thread.
I didn't see that.
DW> Only text which falls below the last cut-mark inserted will be stripped,
DW> which means that if you have a cutmark, followed by a
Hi Marck
Saturday, October 4, 2003, 5:29:59 PM, you wrote:
V>> Perhaps you could include the cut mark as part of the listserv
V>> footer then, instead of relying on users?
MDP> Please see mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
I don't have that message stored on my machine. Any chance you could paste the
text o
Hi Andrew
Saturday, October 4, 2003, 3:17:35 PM, you wrote:
AH> What I actually meant in this message was that if I don't have time
AH> to read the rules in the welcome message because sometimes it can
AH> take longer to read it with a screen reader, and that I have to stay
AH> concen
Hi Marck
Friday, October 3, 2003, 7:33:19 AM, you wrote:
MDP> No. If the list server adds the footer because it contains important
MDP> information. We want the footer inserted, but not quoted in replies.
Perhaps you could include the cut mark as part of the listserv footer then,
instead of rely
Hi Thomas
Saturday, October 4, 2003, 12:25:04 AM, you wrote:
TF> So users of screen readers should be excepted from reading the rules?
Nobody said they should be excepted. I think the opinion was that they should be
'excused' for not having read them. I agree with this. It's only being
understan
Hello Allie,
Saturday, October 4, 2003, 2:42:43 AM, you wrote:
AM> I'd add my 0.2c worth
0.2c? How does one pay that? :-)
--
Best Wishes,
Mark
using The Bat! 2.00.6
Current version is 2.00.6 | "Using TBUDL" infor
10/3/2003, 5:13 PM: Leif said in "Suggestion for better message list
view reading"
LG> Yeah, I'll help, but let's give it a day or so to see what
LG> other people think. If it's just you and me who think it might be a
LG> worthwhile idea, then it wouldn't be worth submitting.
Well, I'm all
At 2:40 PM on 10/3/2003, Gerrit Kiers typed ...
G> I would have skipped it the moment I heard 'Terms and conditions ...'
Why is that? Without rules, there is chaos. There's already enough
chaos in the world. The rules are easy enough to read and they make
the list work better.
Here's a justific
Friday, October 3, 2003, 6:45:46 AM, you wrote:
> When I do post, I re-read my
> email many times to look for possible errors and to make sure that my
> meaning is clear and not subject to misinterpretation.
And as Martha Stewart would say, that's a "good thing."
--
Best regards,
Jack
10/3/2003, 10:52 AM: Andrew said in "Suggestion for better message list view reading"
AH> Hello Allen,
AH> Only AFAIK if the signature separater is <-><-> -
AH> that is two dashes, followed by a space,
Right. I oops-ed.
AH> On another tack, if using justification, what is the best
On Friday, October 3, 2003, 2:26:12 AM, you wrote:
> Leif, the man is hungry. He knows how to catch a fish, but all you
> give him is a "U". Gimme an F, gimme an I, gimme an S, gimme an H!
But shouldn;t you give him a G, an H, an O, a T, and an I -- with the
gh from laugh, the o from women and th
Hi Allen,
Thanks for the explanation. I don't have a message signature so I don't
think that I need a cut line.
Pranav
Current version is 2.00.6 | "Using TBUDL" information:
http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
10/2/2003, 10:20 AM: Leif said in "Suggestion for better message list view reading"
LG> Hello Allen,
LG> Thursday, October 2, 2003, 6:54:44 AM, you wrote:
A>> Proper etiquette on this list is to have a cut line or signature
A>> delimiter. Your precede your signature with -- ( dot dot dash ).
A>
Hello Dennis,
Thursday, October 2, 2003, 7:52:36 AM, you wrote:
DWG> What is JFW? Why use Eudora on this list? Why no cut line?
jfw stands for "jaws for windows" from www.freedomscientific.com
it's a software program that will allow blind and visually impared people to use the
computer.
it ma
10/2/2003, 8:12 AM: Pranav said in "Suggestion for better message list view reading"
PL> At this point, I am still evaluating TheBat. My primary email
PL> client is still Eudora.
It's a great program, once you get a handle on it -- quick & powerful.
Hope you find yourself quite at home usi
Hello Marck,
Sunday, July 14, 2002, 10:27:22 AM, you wrote:
T>> references like "Try it in the regex tester.", but does not tell
T>> you where to find the regex tester.
MDP> Yes it does! That's what Gerd said. Right there on the first page in
MDP> section 3.
T>> IMHO, I think a link to downloa
Hello Gerd,
Sunday, July 14, 2002, 8:18:12 AM, you wrote:
GE> But I think you mean that this is not documented in TB itself. Well,
GE> the regex tester is a private program and not an official feature of
GE> Ritlabs. Maybe Dirk might find some interest to offer it Ritlabs.
What I meant to say
Hi Peter,
Wednesday, February 20, 2002, 6:36:12 PM, you wrote:
PP> Hello Bbx,
PP> On Wednesday, February 20, 2002 at 1:20:43 PM you wrote (at least in
PP> part):
b>> As I've subscribed to many ML, I'd suggest to put in the Object field
b>> e.g. [tbudl], just to know which list I receive from.
Bonjour Roelof,
Mercredi, le 20 février 2002 à 14h05 [GMT +0100] (ce qui correspond à
14h05 ici où j'habite), Roelof Otten =[RO] a écrit à Marck D Pearlstone :
MDP>> LS0tLS1CRUdJTiBQR1AgU0lHTkVEIE1FU1NBR0UtLS0tLQ0KSGFzaDogU0hBMQ0KDQpIaSBUQlVE
RO> I suppose securebat is messing up.
same prob wit
Hi Charlie,
This has got to be a daft question ... but why not just use
ZoneAlarm/Pro? It does exactly what it says on the tin ;-)
With best wishes,
Dave
--
David Conroy MSW
Personal Life and Business Coaching World-wide
We
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On 07:29:38 PM Januk Aggarwal Wrote
In regards To "Suggestion":
JA> Are you talking about the message list headers? Check out the
JA> "Use Account Default Column settings" option in the folder
JA> properties.
Thanks!!!, This cleared it up just nice
Hi tracer,
On Saturday 07/10/2000 at 18:05, you wrote:
> Douglas Hinds <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> I cannot send any mail to that address, all bounce.
> It says my ip is on a reject list.
That usually happens when you're using some nifty program that sends
email direct. You should use your ISP's SMTP
MQ>> Although I greatly enjoy and appreciate the effort Stephan and Max put
MQ>> into releasing new versions of TB!... how about we all get together and
MQ>> boycott further 1.x versions? *grin*
> Why? To stimulate the release of v2? It is my understanding that
> through the new features introduc
Hello David,
If you have any more creative filters for jumping off points, I could
sure use the nudge. Just getting started here, but spam drives me
crazy too!
With compliments,
Skie Dansforth
Sunday, August 13, 2000, 9:55:47 AM, you wrote:
DP> Sunday, August 13, 2000, 11:43:57 AM, you wrote:
Hi Steve,
SL> Tuesday, January 18, 2000, 10:40:09 AM, Marck wrote:
>> Of course the external editor option looks more attractive all the time.
SL> OF course it does.
IMO the term 'external editor' is a little misleading.
It is possible to integrate such a component written
by another compan
à : [EMAIL PROTECTED] ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
de : Claude (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED])
le 18/01/2000, 23:36:39, heure française.
Objet : suggestion- / wish-list
Bonjour TBUDL,
En réponse à message du 18/01/2000,
SL> Tuesday, January 18, 2000, 10:40:09 AM, Marck wrote:
>> Of course the ext
Hello, the Bat! list recipients,
Tuesday, January 18, 2000, Steve Lamb wrote to [EMAIL PROTECTED] about
suggestion- / wish-list:
SL> Tuesday, January 18, 2000, 1:41:55 AM, Oleg wrote:
>> It is just my personal opinion said by the way that adding some kind of a
>> hook for external editor to TB!
TP>> do you EVER choose "typical installation"?
MDP> Absolutely never. What's your point?
My point was the fact that the people I was talking to took issue with
the fact that I stated these people were atypical Windows users. I
was pointing out that I was, indeed, dead-on.
TP>> Plain-text form
SL>> I'm used to TB!'s internal editor, I don't much care for it. Being
SL>> used to it isn't part of that equation, either.
MDP> Yes - but, in a now separate thread is the discussion about use of an
MDP> *external* editor to handle such likes and dislikes rather than
MDP> subvert what
TP>> Well, you two aren't typical Windows users. As it goes, virtual
TP>> spacel has some people who like it and others who don't.
MDP> Tom - that's not reasonable.
Which of you is a typical Windows sheep then?
MDP> We're both *very different users* who happen to agree on this
MDP> point
Hello, the Bat! list recipients,
Tuesday, January 18, 2000, Allie Martin wrote to Oleg Zalyalov about
suggestion- / wish-list:
AM> So what's your axe against TB! supporting an external editor?
No, it is against removing current internal editor.
It is just my personal opinion said by the way
Hello, the Bat! list recipients,
Tuesday, January 18, 2000, Thomas Fernandez wrote to Oleg Zalyalov about
suggestion- / wish-list:
OZ>> That is not a problem with external editor which allow scripting. The
OZ>> problems begin only when you use macros which use information
OZ>> unavaila
Hello, the Bat! list recipients,
Monday, January 17, 2000, Allie Martin wrote to Oleg Zalyalov about
suggestion- / wish-list:
AM> That's a valid concern. Using quick templates during message
AM> composition would definitely be a problem when using an external editor
AM> especially when using
Hello Steve Lamb,
On Mon, 17 Jan 2000 18:06:40 -0800 GMT your local time,
which was Tuesday, January 18, 2000, 9:06:40 AM (GMT+0700) my local time,
Steve Lamb wrote:
Steve> On Tue, Jan 18, 2000 at 01:05:19AM +, Marck D. Pearlstone wrote:
>> Might I humbly suggest you use TB as an e-mai
AVK>>> Press instead;-)
MDP> (it's only one additional keystroke after all.
Umm, it's 50% more typing. See, the problem doesn't manifest itself
'til you're actually trying to use the software in a real fashion, and
you don't want to fight with the interface.
AVK>>> Please, don't do this! Mayb
Monday, January 17, 2000, 4:36:07 PM, Alexander wrote:
AVK> Hi there!
AVK> On 17 Jan 00, at 12:36, Tom Plunket wrote
AVK> about "Re[3]: suggestion- / wish-list":
>> Since we're talking about the editor, is there a way to turn of
>> "virtual space" so the cursor won't go places where ther
Hello, the Bat! list recipients,
Monday, January 17, 2000, Steve Lamb wrote to Oleg Zalyalov about
suggestion- / wish-list:
>> At least I have need in preview when killing mail. The preview in TB! is
>> based on the editor. Or should there be external message viewer also?
SL> It isn't based
Hello Nick Andriash,
On Sat, 15 Jan 2000 23:20:02 -0800 GMT your local time,
which was Sunday, January 16, 2000, 2:20:02 PM (GMT+0700) my local time,
Nick Andriash wrote:
Nick> On Saturday, January 15, 2000, 7:57:02 AM, Allie Martin wrote:
>> Just out of curiosity, I had a look around and ca
Hello, the Bat! list recipients,
Thursday, January 13, 2000, Steve Lamb wrote to Oleg Zalyalov about
suggestion- / wish-list:
SL> Thursday, January 13, 2000, 1:26:27 AM, Oleg wrote:
>> Because it's an argument for a single tool: TheBat! for all tasks
>> regarding mail management.
SL>
Hi Nick,
...
> However, what about us that are not comfortable with
> some of the Unix style editors you mention. I'm not sure of the terminology,
> but what I'm getting at is... what "good" editor do you know of that will
> have a decent GUI to make it easy for us less technical people to use?
Hello Nick Andriash,
On Thu, 13 Jan 2000 09:01:36 -0800 GMT your local time,
which was Friday, January 14, 2000, 12:01:36 AM (GMT+0700) my local time,
Nick Andriash wrote:
Nick> On Thursday, January 13, 2000, 8:43:20 AM, Steve Lamb wrote:
>> Exactly. TB! is an email client, not an editor.
Hello Steve Lamb,
On Thu, 13 Jan 2000 08:43:20 -0800 GMT your local time,
which was Thursday, January 13, 2000, 11:43:20 PM (GMT+0700) my local time,
Steve Lamb wrote:
>> I think that scripting is not a panacea because as any interpreter it is not
>> much of efficiency by the definition. I prefer
Hello Alexander V. Kiselev,
On Thu, 13 Jan 2000 17:37:07 +0300 GMT your local time,
which was Thursday, January 13, 2000, 9:37:07 PM (GMT+0700) my local time,
Alexander V. Kiselev wrote:
>> so I can see only one reason for RITLabs programmers to support DDE in The
>> Bat! -- in Delphi DDE wa
Hello Alexander,
Thursday, January 13, 2000, 4:37:07 PM, you wrote:
AVK> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
AVK> Lines: 51
AVK> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Just wonder why you ALWAYS have this filed doubled?
AVK> Finally, who told you DDE is obsolete? M$? Half of OS/2 is based on DDE,
AVK> and
Hello Januk Aggarwal,
On Wed, 12 Jan 2000 20:03:14 -0800 GMT your local time,
which was Thursday, January 13, 2000, 11:03:14 AM (GMT+0700) my local time,
Januk Aggarwal wrote:
Januk> Hello tracer,
Januk> Wednesday, January 12, 2000, 7:19:51 PM, you wrote:
Steve>>> ACDeeCee.
>> Agreed
Januk
Hello Alexander,
Thursday, January 13, 2000, 3:35:25 AM, you wrote:
AVK> DDE is the only *effective* protocol IMO existing under windoze that allows
AVK> dirrect applications transactions. It really *works*...
DDE is an obsolete protocol brought from Win3.1. There are a lot of
BETTER meth
Hello, the Bat! list recipients,
Wednesday, January 12, 2000, Steve Lamb wrote to Oleg Zalyalov about
suggestion- / wish-list:
>> It can do any task at hand depending on user skills even with no need
>> to change configuration. Just visit Kizhi for an example.
SL> Then why hold it up as an
Hello Alexander V. Kiselev,
On Wed, 12 Jan 2000 21:51:16 +0300 GMT your local time,
which was Thursday, January 13, 2000, 1:51:16 AM (GMT+0700) my local time,
Alexander V. Kiselev wrote:
Alexander> Hi there!
Alexander> On 12 Jan 00, at 9:03, Steve Lamb wrote
Alexander> about "Re: suggestion-
Hello Steve Lamb,
On Wed, 12 Jan 2000 15:05:40 -0800 GMT your local time,
which was Thursday, January 13, 2000, 6:05:40 AM (GMT+0700) my local time,
Steve Lamb wrote:
Steve> Wednesday, January 12, 2000, 10:51:16 AM, Alexander wrote:
>> 1) WatchCat (system spying and maintenance);
Steve> top,
Hello Alexander V. Kiselev,
On Thu, 13 Jan 2000 02:48:40 +0300 GMT your local time,
which was Thursday, January 13, 2000, 6:48:40 AM (GMT+0700) my local time,
Alexander V. Kiselev wrote:
Alexander> Might be, but the functionality is lacking. Although I have Adobe PhotoShop
Alexander> (and dislik
Hello, the Bat! list recipients,
Tuesday, January 11, 2000, Steve Lamb wrote to Oleg Zalyalov about
suggestion- / wish-list:
>> Why do carpenters need other tools than bench axe? Underlying concept
>> to most of those is the same: wood.
SL> A bench axe cannot change configuration to suit t
Hello Thomas Fernandez,
On Wed, 12 Jan 2000 13:42:33 +0800 GMT your local time,
which was Wednesday, January 12, 2000, 12:42:33 PM (GMT+0700) my local time,
Thomas Fernandez wrote:
Thomas> Hi tracer,
t>> (snipped)
Thomas> ^^^
Thomas> Wow!
Thomas> Tracer you surprise me! And I
Hello John Sullivan,
On Wed, 12 Jan 2000 03:28:19 + GMT your local time,
which was Wednesday, January 12, 2000, 10:28:19 AM (GMT+0700) my local time,
John Sullivan wrote:
John> Ah, I'll just get them added to Notepad. Won't be a minute!
Gator and several others have a notepad.exe which if n
Hello Steve Lamb,
On Tue, 11 Jan 2000 13:51:27 -0800 GMT your local time,
which was Wednesday, January 12, 2000, 4:51:27 AM (GMT+0700) my local time,
Steve Lamb wrote:
Steve> Tuesday, January 11, 2000, 1:05:47 PM, Owen wrote:
>> Why not complain
(snipped)
Steve> Yeah. I've been working on a
Hello, the Bat! list recipients,
Tuesday, January 11, 2000, Steve Lamb wrote to Oleg Zalyalov about
suggestion- / wish-list:
SL> Tuesday, January 11, 2000, 12:44:38 AM, Oleg wrote:
>> There is editing and editing. When people will realize that editing message,
>> editing program, editing HTML, e
Hello, the Bat! list recipients,
Tuesday, January 11, 2000, Allie Martin wrote to Steve Lamb about
suggestion- / wish-list:
>> I like vim.
>> Think about it for a minute.
>> Again, PMMail does it just fine on both Windows and OS/2.
>> Think another minute. :)
AM> I was exper
Hello John,
Monday, January 10, 2000, 11:05:18 PM, you wrote:
JS> On Monday 10 January 2000 Steve Lamb wrote:
>> This is exactly my point. 3 people, 4 different opinions of editors. So
>> why do people insist on making editors inside applications part of the
>> application and forcing peop
Hello, the Bat! list recipients,
Thursday, January 06, 2000, Steve Lamb wrote to Oleg Zalyalov about
suggestion- / wish-list:
SL> Thursday, January 06, 2000, 12:17:45 AM, Oleg wrote:
>> Why? Just wonder, I can't imagine why there could be needed 3 trailing
>> spaces at the end of line.
SL>
Hello TBUDL,
On Thursday, January 06, 2000, , Carsten Dreesbach wrote:
FL>> - i didn't find a way to download only "small" mails, yet to keep the
FL>> bigger ones on the server. using "the bat!", i can let the big mails
FL>> delete on the server, which isn't what i want to do. i used pmmail
FL>>
Hi Nick
Tuesday, October 12, 1999, you wrote to the list:
ND> Personally, I find those "idiot light" type warnings irritating as
ND> all heck. I'm always thinking "If I wanted a damn subject I would
ND> have put a damn subject" as I press the OK button. Just add a default
ND> to your template
Steve,
okay, a simple suggestion on this one:
just have a notice in the subject line in an evil red color "no
subject" when so subject is entered.
that shouldn't bother while composing (eyes concentrated on something
else) and yet be seen when entering a recipient.
-Jast
--
-
Hello Ron,
Wednesday, October 13, 1999, you wrote:
R> On Tuesday, October 12, 1999, Kevin Boylan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> A kind of frivolous suggestion I guess, but as you can tell from my
>> previous post, I have a hard time remembering to enter a subject sometimes.
>> I think it would be
Hello Steve,
Wednesday, Wednesday, October 13, 1999, you wrote:
Steve Lamb> Tuesday, October 12, 1999, 5:47:48 PM, Ali wrote:
>> My response is that other OS's that offer great flexibility do so
>> through excessive complexity, obscurity, and obfuscation that makes it
Steve Lamb> Funny how
Hello Steve,
Wednesday, Wednesday, October 13, 1999, you wrote:
Steve Lamb> Tuesday, October 12, 1999, 4:56:38 PM, Kevin wrote:
>> No hoops to jump through if options have to be turned on to use them.
Steve Lamb> The people who needs those options wouldn't know to turn them on. 3+
Steve La
Hello Steve,
Wednesday, October 13, 1999, 4:25:44 AM, you wrote:
SL> 1: Most people are lost within Windows without a good manual.
Ok, when I look at my mother: you've got a point here... :-)
SL> 2: A recent study of grade-school children who had never had any computer
SL> experience before sho
Hello Steve,
Wednesday, October 13, 1999, 4:02:21 AM, you wrote:
SL> People who say that Unix (Esp. Linux) is hard have never used it and don't
SL> really grasp how hard Windows/Mac are nor the difference between "hard" and
SL> "different."
Sorry, don't agree with you there:
(I'm not referr
Hello Steve,
Wednesday, October 13, 1999, 1:08:06 AM, you wrote:
SL> Tuesday, October 12, 1999, 3:56:32 PM, Roel wrote:
>> For the record: you can toggle that one! (properties of your trash-bin)...
SL> For the record, no, you cannot.
SL> If you have files going into the trash and don't
>> While you certainly don't want to go to the extreme where it makes
>> the user unproductive, any software developer wouldn't last long if
>> they didn't include some code to help the user avoid mistakes.
> This is extreme as there is no technical reason to do the check. It makes
> the use
>> If The Bat! (or any software for that matter) only included things
>> that were technically required to get mail from here to there, then
>> it wouldn't sell many copies.
> Furthermore, you don't know that it won't sell copies.
I said *many* copies. There's plenty of mail packages out there
Hello Steve,
Tuesday, October 12, 1999, 10:12:09 PM, you wrote:
Steve Lamb> Look at it another way, deleting files in Windows is impossible now
Steve Lamb> without having at least one and possibly up to 3 different confirmation
boxes.
For the record: you can toggle that one! (properties o
>> Except that a subject is something that you almost never want to
>> leave blank and a default subject is no better than no subject. If
>> you never forget to enter a subject then you never see the 'idiot
>> light' that us idiots seem to need. :-)
> Operative term is almost. Quick notes
>> That's true. It's good netiquette to always include a subject
>> header.
> But not a technical requirement.
If The Bat! (or any software for that matter) only included things
that were technically required to get mail from here to there, then it
wouldn't sell many copies. When I compared
KB>> A kind of frivolous suggestion I guess, but as you can tell from my
KB>> previous post, I have a hard time remembering to enter a subject
KB>> sometimes. I think it would be worthwhile to have a warning message
KB>> when we press the send or queue button if we haven't entered a
KB>> subject.
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