Re: [tw] Conveying: Moans about poor documentation

Hi Tobias, it's LikeInMind. Sorry, not listed in the Free Dictionary yet. Cheers, Dmitry On Thursday, 29 December 2016 01:53:07 UTC+13, Tobias Beer wrote: > > Hi Dmitry, > > >> It is published on LiM to be refined with time: >> > > Which LiM would yo

Re: [tw] Conveying: Moans about poor documentation

Hi Dmitry, > It is published on LiM to be refined with time: > Which LiM would you be thinking of? Best wishes, Tobias. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TiddlyWiki" group. To unsubscribe from this gro

Re: [tw] Conveying: Moans about poor documentation

Thank you very much Arlen!! Sorry for my lack of abilities to talk simple language easy to understand. Thank you, Dmitry On 28/12/16 16:36, Arlen Beiler wrote: Ah, interesting. I think I am understanding :) On Dec 27, 2016 18:33, "Dmitry Sokolov" > wrote:

Re: [tw] Conveying: Moans about poor documentation

Ah, interesting. I think I am understanding :) On Dec 27, 2016 18:33, "Dmitry Sokolov" wrote: > Arlen, > > Every information/documentation system has an entry point. I think that >> here everything starts with TiddlyWiki.com. So once the StackExchange site >> is in beta we can put that on Tidd

Re: [tw] Conveying: Moans about poor documentation

Josiah, thank you for the summary. It is published on LiM to be refined with time: http://confocal-manawatu.pbworks.com/w/page/114120781/TiddlyWiki%20Communication%20Protocol Cheers, Dmitry On Wednesday, 28 December 2016 04:00:40 UTC+13, Josiah wrote: > > Ciao Tobias and all > > I delayed replyin

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Arlen, Every information/documentation system has an entry point. I think that > here everything starts with TiddlyWiki.com. So once the StackExchange site > is in beta we can put that on TiddlyWiki.com. "Single Entry Point" is a very good idea for any community working in "Transmedia" enviro

Re: [tw] Conveying: Moans about poor documentation

On Dec 27, 2016 12:52 AM, "Dmitry Sokolov" wrote: My concerns: - TW on SO looks not very popular - our activities will be scattered between the platforms - an environment linking all the bits and pieces similar to LikeInMind will be required, to have all knowledge reliably found

Re: [tw] Conveying: Moans about poor documentation

Ciao Tobias and all I delayed replying because I wanted to review what everyone has written, both here and in the parallel thread on Stack Exchange. 1 - A absolutely agree that the CORE work on Github is likely as good as is it c

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Thank you Arlen, The link on TiddlyWiki on StackOverflow is added to the TiddlyWiki Resources list: http://confocal-manawatu.pbworks.com/w/page/113792623/TiddlyWiki%20Forums My concerns: - TW on SO looks not very popular - our activities will be scattered between the platforms - an

Re: [tw] Conveying: Moans about poor documentation

A StackExchange site will not replace the Google Group, it will only take out many of the questions that are asking how to do stuff in TiddlyWiki. And you can keep tabs on the questions that get asked fairly easily. For instance, here is all the TiddlyWiki questions on StackOverflow. http://stackov

Re: [tw] Conveying: Moans about poor documentation

... student is on summer holidays. Therefore the summer project. Merry Christmas from New Zealand! It's getting pretty hot here... :) On Saturday, 24 December 2016 15:36:33 UTC+13, Dmitry Sokolov wrote: > > Dear Arlen, Josiah and Birthe, > you are touching the topic of my ongoing interest for a

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Dear Arlen, Josiah and Birthe, you are toughing the topic of my ongoing interest for a few years, "Findability and Discoverability for Reuse" in Transmedia environment: http://confocal-manawatu.pbworks.com/w/page/104941506/Transmedia In other words, I study how to bring "experts" and "learners" li

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Ciao Birthe C It IS confusing. But I doubt there will be any change without a clear transfer process. As it is absolutely nothing has been settled on yet. So don't worry. These periodic discussions do often, rightly, focus on the limitations of here. That does NOT mean this group is suddenly g

Re: [tw] Conveying: Moans about poor documentation

My big question is: Are you planning to end this Google group? I like it for its simplicity. I do undertand that a lot of you here are very familiar with a lot of other possibilities but admit that I am just getting more and more confused. I find a lot of inspiration in reading about other peo

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Ciao Tobias for the detailed reply. We are NOT at odds. Though probably talking about slightly different things. To make it clear I was, and am, centrally focussed on the poor, poor nature of Google Groups. Its simplicity as a threaded discussion group is good. After that everything about it is

Re: [tw] Conveying: Moans about poor documentation

The thing about the Wikibook is that we will need to decide how to get content over and so on. Discussions can happen there or here, but this is not as pressing or easy to implement as the StackExchange part. On Thu, Dec 22, 2016 at 12:03 PM, Arlen Beiler wrote: > Toward this end I've created a

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Toward this end I've created a proposal for a new StackExchange http://area51.stackexchange.com/proposals/105326/tiddlywiki?referrer=kk4xS6VP59WB49QQOgt7xA2 and a WikiProject to collaborate on TiddlyWiki-related WikiBooks https://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Wikibooks:WikiProject_TiddlyWiki See my thr

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+1 for stackexchange sub-domain. Would work really well for knowledge accumulation. Would we be able to have the Documentation (beta) feature on it as well? On Saturday, December 17, 2016 at 7:40:08 PM UTC-8, Marica Odagaki wrote: > > Re: StackOverflow.. > > I don't know if Tobias originally mea

Re: [tw] Conveying: Moans about poor documentation

Ciao Wimm & all That is very useful! The search in it produces more meaningful results than naked Google Groups does. Search This Google Group ... Friendly Style Thank you. It raises the point of, until there is greater clarity of t

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another source to search the tiddlywiki googlegroups with more serach options: https://www.mail-archive.com/tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com/ from their docucumentation: fancy boolean operators like + - AND OR NOT (). Finally, searches

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Hi Josiah, I am new to TW but have intent to develop it into "P2P Collective Intelligence" platform. The major purpose of P2PCI is to have any topics of interest found or discovered "in real-time" for reuse. "Real-time" means 20-30 seconds per any particular topic is demonstrated/measured, that

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Lol, Whilst this list is pretty advanced Computerse-English, the Nobel Dev version is Swahili to me :-) Josiah Am Montag, 19. Dezember 2016 13:47:53 UTC+1 schrieb Eneko Gotzon: > > > On Mon, Dec 19, 2016 at 11:12 AM, Josiah > > wrote: > >> TidlyWikiDev channel > > > Knowing the user channel t

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On Mon, Dec 19, 2016 at 11:12 AM, Josiah wrote: > TidlyWikiDev channel Knowing the user channel the dev one must be plenty of Nobels…​ -- Eneko Gotzon Ares enekogot...@gmail.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TiddlyWiki" group. To unsubscribe

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Please note that some issues relevant to this discussion are now also happening in the TidlyWikiDev channel ... http://tinyurl.com/goswe9c -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TiddlyWiki" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails f

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Re: StackOverflow.. I don't know if Tobias originally meant this with "dedicated" (though guessing yes), but it's possible to create a whole new StackOverflow-style Q&A site under the stackexchange.com domain: something like http://tiddlywiki.stackexchange.com/, if we go through a multi-phase

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Many thanks for the interesting discussion. Just a few points relating to recent posts: * The Reddit experiment looks pretty promising, and I’d welcome other opinions as to its suitability to replace Google Groups for casual discussion (or indeed as a way of gathering links for the front page o

Re: [tw] Conveying: Moans about poor documentation

Hi Josiah, You brought up TWEderation as an example for let's say "more scattered" information than you'd like that somehow doesn't organize nearly as good as you wish and where you believe reddit could provide a better environment to more efficiently bring the lose pieces together. The first

Re: [tw] Conveying: Moans about poor documentation

I would like to propose using WikiBooks. I think it is suited for documentation of this kind. We could have a community area on there, and we could make use of some bots and scripts which turn the static text pages of the Wikimedia system into a dynamic, automated system of notifications, discussio

Re: [tw] Conveying: Moans about poor documentation

Ciao Tobias Sorry for the delay. I been busy. I wish I had replied before because this thread looks like its gone "off the boil". Which, from my point of view, is unfortunate. Like many of the other posts in this discussion I find myself both agreeing & disagreeing . I AGREE with you on TWO

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Hi Josiah, > Its worth noting a MAJOR theme is the discussion was we are losing > valuable documentation all the time by not having an organised way to look > at past threads. TAGs might help, at least as an interim. > Please keep in mind that discussing a subject matter and responding with

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> > Riz is doing great stuff! (Thanks Riz!) > > So, if I understand, Reddit is a substitute for the boards but with > "voting" on answers, right? > > My pleasure. Reddit is more than that. Leaving aside my bias because reddit is an open-source undertaking, it has more features that meets the

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It has up-voting. It has tagging (not sure if only moderators can do that?). It has any number of supplemental wikis needed. On Monday, 12 December 2016 18:33:24 UTC+1, Mat wrote: > > Josiah wrote: >> >> >> In the space of a short time Riz, a guy who likes to do, has created a >> Reddit for TW5

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Josiah wrote: > > > In the space of a short time Riz, a guy who likes to do, has created a > Reddit for TW5 that has discussion (http://tinyurl.com/h884qlj) > Riz is doing great stuff! (Thanks Riz!) So, if I understand, Reddit is a substitute for the boards but with "voting" on answers, right

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Ciao Mat On most things I know jack-shit. On Twitter I know what I am talking about. The Twitter UUID system is elegant & minimalist. Its final result is best viewed in Tweetdeck rather than vanilla Twitter. Tweetdeck makes best use of it. The threading system that depends on the UUID is excell

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Ciao Mat & all A footnote on Google Groups ... I'm not sure if everyone is aware that Google Groups does support TAGS. The moderator has to create them. And, as far as I understand it, you have have apply at least one when you post. I'm unclear how that works with people who work through email

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Ciao Mat & all In the space of a short time Riz, a guy who likes to do, has created a Reddit for TW5 that has discussion (http://tinyurl.com/h884qlj) that has six resource libraries (http://tinyurl.com/zmuplqp), that is developing a post labelling system based on tiddlywiki.com tags so you can

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Ciao Mat I'd like to reply to this bit-by-bit ... Mat wrote: I'm against distracting interim solutions or parallel solutions of other > kinds. ANY other system would mean people would have to e.g register for > yet another thing, learn new UI's and more lingo and it would scatter and > fragm

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Jeremy wrote Ultimately and ideally, we should base TiddlyWiki documentation efforts on > TiddlyWiki itself Agree 100% and - (talking to everybody now.) - this is why I'm against distracting interim solutions or parallel solutions of other kinds. ANY other system would mean people would have

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Principally, I am not against MW. Having 24 hours in a day, I simply have no time to learn it's syntax. But this is my priority and if others go for it, it is fine. If potential Mac truck users can only reach the Mac truck user manual with a Ford Escort, it does raise the question why not use an F

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This seems to be a common thought, but there is a bit of a disconnect. TiddlyWiki is a *single-user* application *not* made for concurrent activities. MediaWiki was made for mult-user collaborative work. Just because they share the word "wiki" doesn't mean they can both be used for the same j

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I can only ad my opinion from a user's point of view, so I skip the technical parts. > * The existing documentation isn’t serving the needs of our users Despite that, I found the current documentation a very good for quick starter info. After that the requirements diverge for each users, dependin

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How about a thread that gets pinned to the top where new documentation entries can be posted? People who ask questions aren't necessarily good at documentation, and it might be pouring cold water on the whole discourse thing to demand it of them. But collecting finished responses into one threa

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Hi Jeremy First of all, I did not intent to cast doubts upon the intend of the group when I asked why are we averse to the idea of community documentation, was merely pointing out inability to deliver an easy system. 2 points. 1. The platform of choice pending to be agreed upon, how about the

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My apologies for being quiet on this thread so far. It’s mainly due to being insanely busy with day job work, punctuated by a bad cold. Thank you to everyone for taking the trouble to contribute. I’ve read all the messages with great interest. It’s wonderful that there are so many people who fee

[tw] Conveying: Moans about poor documentation

Ciao tutti In the last two weeks I've had extensive private correspondence with three folk over on Twitter who want to know where to find the "real documentation" for TiddlyWiki. After pointing to what documentation there is I suggested they ask in the group on specific things they want to do.