[time-nuts] TNS-BUF Isolation Amplifier

2016-05-12 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
I've put some info about the TNS-BUF isolation amplifier at: http://febo.com/pages/TNS-BUF/ I'll work on adding to this page as I can, and in the next few days will post some information to the list about how we'll put a group order together. John _

Re: [time-nuts] DMTD was: high rev isolation amps

2016-05-12 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
I don't mean to hijack the thread, but may be able to avoid Bob having to reinvent the wheel. A few years ago I built up the PCB for a high isolation, low noise buffer amp based on a design by Bruce Griffiths. The board is all set for production; I just ran out of time. The "TNS-BUF" works ex

Re: [time-nuts] HP 5360A History?

2016-04-13 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
ohn- you are possibly thinking of the Icom IC- 22S.(among others!) > DaveB, NZ > > > - Original Message - From: "John Ackermann N8UR" > To: "Tom Van Baak" ; "Discussion of precise time and > frequency measurement" > Sent: Thursday, Apri

Re: [time-nuts] HP 5360A History?

2016-04-13 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
om my own hardcopy HPJ collection are here: http://www.leapsecond.com/hpj/ For example, the 79-step ADEV program is here: http://www.leapsecond.com/hpj/v22n4/v22n4p10.jpg Finally, do not miss HP AN116 "Precision Frequency Measurements": http://www.hpmemoryproject.org/an/pdf/an_116.pdf /t

[time-nuts] HP 5360A History?

2016-04-13 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
I was browsing through the HP Journal archives and came across the May, 1969 issue, dedicated to the new 5360A Computing Counter -- "An Electronic Counter for the 1970s!" I don't recall hearing much about these in time-nuts lore. I can guess from the Journal articles that it was a beast to ke

Re: [time-nuts] high rev isolation amps

2016-03-26 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
When I looked at the Wenzel amps, they were extremely low noise, but the isolation was nothing to write home about. On 03/26/2016 08:20 PM, John Miles wrote: I'm looking for off the shelf connectorized amplifiers with very good reverse isolation for doing things like intermod measurements (e.

Re: [time-nuts] high rev isolation amps

2016-03-26 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
In light of this discussion, I'm taking a deep gulp to mention a project that's finished but has been on my back burner for a while. A few years ago I laid out a high isolation, low noise buffer amp based on one of Bruce's cascaded-transistor designs. Isolation was measured in excess of 100dB

Re: [time-nuts] Spectrum Analyzer Specifications

2016-03-24 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
On 3/24/2016 4:54 PM, Bob Camp wrote: Would make a good target device. It’s based on the AKM 5397 So might some Janus boards. They are based on the earlier(?) AKM 5394. The QA401 has the advantage of a nice box and full USB isolation (ground loops are a pain). It also has drivers and all the

Re: [time-nuts] Spectrum Analyzer Specifications

2016-03-24 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
I'd be willing to assist with board layout if someone wanted to make this into a real project (e.g., fully developed schematic). TAPR might be talked into supplying at least bare boards; we'd have to get a sense of demand before committing to a full kit or assembled unit. John On 3/24/20

Re: [time-nuts] LPRO-101 BITE (~lock) Signal Always Low

2016-03-22 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
There's a plot of the unlocked sweep of an FE-5690 at the bottom of http://febo.com/pages/oscillators/rubes/ I think the LPRO is pretty similar. John On 3/22/2016 2:02 PM, Hal Murray wrote: time-nuts@febo.com said: are you sure your LPRO actually locks? You say you have measured 10.000 MHz b

Re: [time-nuts] Old Dual oven OCXO

2016-03-21 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
I don't need it myself, but that looks an awful lot like a Sulzer 2.5 or 5. On 3/21/2016 9:01 AM, Bert Kehren via time-nuts wrote: Attached is an old Dual Oven Flask high performance OCXO. I do not have the flask any more (broke) and no more info but if some one recognizes it and wants it for

Re: [time-nuts] Unix software to generate nice looking *DEV plots

2016-03-19 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
Hi Attila -- I have some stuff that does ADEV and similar calculations and shoves the results into plots using the Grace plotting tool. It's basically a perl script using some document formatting templates and a couple of shell scripts for control. I use it to automagically create web pages

Re: [time-nuts] I am a nut

2016-03-02 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
Hi Joe -- If I was allowed only to keep two pieces of test equipment, one would be my Fluke 77 and the other my 8920! It does pretty much everything you need for AF and RF below 1GHz, though nothing quite as well as the specialized gear. The high stability oscillator is very good. I've onl

Re: [time-nuts] Looking for Z3801 OCXO

2016-02-05 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
Thanks, Warren. That's a very nice solution! I have a unit on the way from another time-nut, so I should be set. I'm pretty sure the problem with the old unit is just aging as I watched the EFC creep for months toward the limit. I bought two units at the same time (long, long ago) and though

[time-nuts] Looking for Z3801 OCXO

2016-02-04 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
I have a Z3801A whose oscillator has aged out of correction range, and thus throws an EFC alarm. Anyone have a still-in-range double-oven HP10811 from a unit that died for another reason? If so, I'd be happy to acquire it. (I tried disassembling one of the double-oven 10811s years ago and fo

Re: [time-nuts] TADD-2 mini LED?

2016-01-21 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
I'm not in front of the manual or the board right now, but if you look at the layout you will see two pairs of pads at the output end of the board. If you look at the way the pads are physically arranged along with the schematic, you'll see that you can either connect to two of the pads to get

Re: [time-nuts] Generating a solid PPS from 10Mhz source

2016-01-13 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
Tom Van Baak has developed dividers based on simple PIC chips that will produce 1 PPS from several input frequencies. These dividers have remarkably low jitter, down in the couple-of-picosecond range, and are very simple. I've implemented life support circuitry around two versions of Tom's c

Re: [time-nuts] FE-5680A Breakout board

2015-12-19 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
Apologies, all -- this wasn't meant for the list. Thanks to another time-nut, though, I now have the info! Best, John On 12/19/2015 12:53 PM, John Ackermann N8UR wrote: Hi Ian -- Happy holidays! A few years ago I got some of the breakout board kits you did for the FE-5680A. Th

Re: [time-nuts] FE-5680A Breakout board

2015-12-19 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
Hi Ian -- Happy holidays! A few years ago I got some of the breakout board kits you did for the FE-5680A. They've finally risen to the top of my "to assemble pile." :-) Looking for the schematic and any assembly info you might have available -- I only have the boards and parts but can't fin

Re: [time-nuts] Data collection from 5115A phase noise test set?

2015-12-10 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
There is a gotcha in the TSC phase data... the architecture introduces a deliberate phase offset to the phase data so you will always gain (or lose) phase over time. Hook both inputs to the same source, and you'll still have a slope in the output data (and the slope and intercept will be diffe

Re: [time-nuts] Modern College Education for Electronics - Cubesats - Real world training

2015-11-16 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
I've had a chance to see Jeff in action at Morehead, and what he and the team there are doing is really incredible -- and inspirational. He's built a hands-on electronic and mechanical shop, mainly out of surplus stuff, that gives the students tremendous practical experience, while they are pu

Re: [time-nuts] Possible GPS Interference test

2015-09-30 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
A long, long time ago I captured a solar flare while monitoring GPS signal strength: http://febo.com/pages/gps_solar_flare/ There was a very significant drop in signal level. Unfortunately, I wasn't able to capture any phase data that corresponded to the event. John On 9/30/2015 3:15

Re: [time-nuts] TASS Computer-Controlled Switch System

2015-09-30 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
to allow for true stripline layout. (b) there are 50 ohm termination resistors on all the non-selected inputs, so you're not switching from an open circuit condition. John On 9/30/2015 9:17 AM, John Ackermann N8UR wrote: Thanks, Tom. These sorts of projects are why I disappear fro

Re: [time-nuts] TASS Computer-Controlled Switch System

2015-09-30 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
e of cable or load changes do you see any noise or disturbance on the first or second reading after you change the switches? Also, what's the rated lifetime of the switches? Thanks, /tvb - Original Message - From: "John Ackermann N8UR" To: "Discussion of precise t

[time-nuts] TASS Computer-Controlled Switch System

2015-09-27 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
Every so often, I hijack the list to do some shameless self-promotion when I think it would be of interest to the 'nuts community. I've spent the last several months developing a computer-controlled relay switch system. The impetus was failure of the old HP 59307A GPIB switches in my PPS meas

Re: [time-nuts] wwvb gps d-psk-r details

2015-09-25 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
I may be remembering incorrectly, but I thought that you only need the GPS for initial sync; after that shouldn't the processor be able to maintain the sequence without new GPS input, so long as the timer clock doesn't drift too badly? From a known starting point, the modulation pattern should

Re: [time-nuts] wwvb gps d-psk-r details 500KB

2015-09-24 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
This is profoundly cool, Paul! Thanks so much for this work. I'm not making any promises, but I hope to lay out a PCB for the DBM section and will make the gerbers available. If there's enough interest, we might be able to do a group PCB order. Contact me off-line about that. John On 9/2

[time-nuts] Some results on a very interesting Sulzer OCXO

2015-09-19 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
I just did some measurements on a Sulzer 5 MHz OCXO that dates from the early '60s. Not only is the performance quite amazing, but there's a surprise: it's not on the frequency you'd expect, and it may have some historical interest. Details at http://blog.febo.com/wp/?p=17 (I'm playing with

Re: [time-nuts] LAN/USB to GP-IB/HP-IP Adapters

2015-09-11 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
I have one each of the HP and NI USB units, and have both sets of libs installed on the same machine. I seem to have no trouble using either. But the size of each company's download is absurd! So,ething like 800MB between them. > On Sep 11, 2015, at 5:08 PM, Tommy phone wrote: > > Have nev

Re: [time-nuts] HP5065A C-field current is temperature sensitive

2015-08-31 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
Attached is a frequency plot of my 5065A vs. GPS (via PPS) over about 6 months. Note the changed freq and slope between about MJD 57205 and 57235. That correlates to the month we were out of town on vacation, with the air conditioning set about 6 degrees higher than normal. (There was probabl

Re: [time-nuts] Fluke/Gigatronics 6060 series (6062A specifically) output amplitude cal constants

2015-08-11 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
I'd be interested in that as well... mine is out of amplitude cal as well. > On Aug 11, 2015, at 4:23 PM, Richard Moore wrote: > > Does anyone know the procedure for resetting the output level constants in > these generators? The manuals I’ve found are silent on this, but it was > obviously do

Re: [time-nuts] wtd: WWVB info

2015-08-07 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
If anyone is really interested in an SDR WWVB receiver project, TAPR has a fairly large quantity of boards left over from a previous project that use a very high performance 192ksample sound card chip (AK5394) in a carefully laid-out design with no filtering (I believe the inputs are also DC co

[time-nuts] Your sysadmin requests assistance

2015-08-07 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
In the past, a number of kind time-nuts have offered to assist with issues related to list administration. I could now use some of that help. For a long time, I have been trying to find and resolve the cause of persistent delays in some email messages routed through the list server at febo.co

Re: [time-nuts] Reeeely long term HP 5065A drift rate (13 year!)

2015-06-30 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
Hi Corby -- it just so happens that I've been plotting my 5065A (super) against several sources since last February -- about 130 days of data so far. Here's the data against a GPSDO as reference: http://febo.com/pages/plots/chronos/hp5065a-z3805a.html This is based on PPS comparisons. John > O

Re: [time-nuts] PPS for NTP Server - How Close Is "Good Enough"?

2015-06-10 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
Hi Ed -- For standard PC hardware, 250ns is way under the interrupt granularity of the computer, and will never be noticed. Some specialized configurations (https://www.febo.com/pages/soekris/) have timer resolution to a few hundred nanoseconds, but that takes hacking. I know there have bee

[time-nuts] Sine-square widget

2015-05-22 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
Referencing the conversation about squaring circuits, I realized the T2-Mini board (intended as a tiny PIC-based PPS divider) can be repurposed into a very nice squarer. It has a slightly modified version of the Wenzel squarer and by simply installing a jumper wire instead of the PIC chip (pin

Re: [time-nuts] Important parameters for a GPS/GNSS antenna

2015-05-07 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
Just put the GPS antenna, receiver, battery, and a low power RF transmitter modulated by the PPS (wide bandwidth = fast edge time) on the turntable, then use an appropriate receiver to demodulate the PPS and feed it to the rest of the system. Put the RX antenna directly above (or below) the tu

Re: [time-nuts] Divider circuit for Rubidium Standard

2015-05-06 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
Wenzel has published the schematic of an excellent squaring circuit. I don't have the URL for their version handy, but I used it (with a couple of mods) in the TADD-2 and TADD-2 Mini designs. You can see the schematic in the T2-Mini users guide at http://www.tapr.org/~n8ur/T2_Mini_Manual.pdf.

Re: [time-nuts] Ultra High Stability Time Base Options for 53132A

2015-04-13 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
Among my group of ham project-building friends, the motto is "There is no problem so big or complicated that it cannot be over-engineered." > On Apr 13, 2015, at 5:03 PM, Richard (Rick) Karlquist > wrote: > > > >> On 4/13/2015 12:14 PM, Magnus Danielson wrote: >> >> Oh yes. Some people say

Re: [time-nuts] 50 ohm Driver

2015-03-04 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
One comment on the parallel AC gate approach. It may not be directly applicable to Martyn's issue, but there is a common confusion about the value of the summing resistors. Per Tom Clark, who came up with the idea, they are *not* intended to provide a near-end line termination to 50 ohms, but

[time-nuts] Initial delay inPPS TI measurements

2015-02-15 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
I'm working on a measurement setup using an HP 5334 TIC to capture single-shot PPS data that I log via GPIB. For each reading I clear the counter, then poll using SRQ until data is ready. The measurement cycle seems to always take between 1.5 and 2 seconds, even if the start/stop signals arriv

Re: [time-nuts] GPS active antenna delay ?

2015-02-08 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
mp in the antenna vs. 6dB in the splitter. On 02/08/2015 08:29 AM, John Ackermann N8UR wrote: I think that the surplus HP/Agilent GPS splitters may have an SAW filter. If so, measuring the delay of one of those could yield at least an approximation. I may have that data laying around; I'll

Re: [time-nuts] GPS active antenna delay ?

2015-02-08 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
I think that the surplus HP/Agilent GPS splitters may have an SAW filter. If so, measuring the delay of one of those could yield at least an approximation. I may have that data laying around; I'll do some digging. John On 02/08/2015 05:11 AM, Attila Kinali wrote: On Sat, 7 Feb 2015 10:

Re: [time-nuts] time-nuts Digest, Vol 127, Issue 5

2015-02-04 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
Hi Bill -- I've been quietly observing this thread because I don't have the knowledge to talk about the doubler circuit generally. But the crystal filter is, in my opinion, a really bad idea. Any resonator is ultimately a thermometer, and a high-Q device on the output of the circuit is goin

Re: [time-nuts] SMIQ manual

2014-12-10 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
All -- Ulrich has been having some AOL-related problems with the mailing list. Anyone who wants to contact him about the SMIQ manual should contact him directly rather than via the list. Thanks, John On 12/10/2014 10:50 AM, paul swed wrote: Ulrich I had asked for the manual. Also let me

Re: [time-nuts] 10 MHz Filters

2014-12-02 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
Thanks for the kind words, Dick. :-) However, a couple of notes on the TADD-1 bandpass filter: 1. I *don't* recommend installing it unless there is a good reason. As others have noted, any tuned circuit is a thermometer and will degrade ADEV performance. Other than the original test unit, I

Re: [time-nuts] Time-Nuts digest working again...

2014-09-17 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
Yes, I'm pleased to report that with help from a couple of 'nuts who pointed me in the right direction, I was able to make a configuration change that seems to have solved the base64 encoding problem. I think we've now restored all the pre-update functionality. John On 09/17/2014 12:58 PM, B

[time-nuts] Mailing lists status report

2014-09-15 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
We've been on the new version of Mailman for a couple of weeks now. The main reason for the update was to work around the "DMARC" adoption by Yahoo, AOL, and other large ISPs that broke the mailing list model. That seems to be working now. I'll spare the technical details (you can read about it

Re: [time-nuts] Lightning Strike Site

2013-09-10 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
A little late to the conversation, but there are some relatively low cost (few hundred dollar) PC-based lightning detector products available. I run one that's a PCI card with Windows software that generates a map and statistics that upload to my web page once per minute: http://www.febo.com/

Re: [time-nuts] Spectracom 8164 Hack?

2013-06-26 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
That's the output freq of the "standard output" on the front panel. The RX is 60 kHz only. John On Jun 25, 2013, at 10:27 PM, Perry Sandeen wrote: > List, There are several Spectracom 8164 receiver available on Ebay. > > My question: on the front panel bank of frequency selection switches,

Re: [time-nuts] Server Issues?

2013-05-21 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
There was definitely a delay -- I saw it on my own message last evening. I have done some performance tuning on the mail server that might (or might not...) make a difference. The new server we put on line back in January certainly has enough horsepower, so hopefully tweaking is all it will t

Re: [time-nuts] Server Issues?

2013-05-20 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
I'm not aware of any specific server issues here (the configuration is fairly stock Debian with Mailman and Postfix) but there can be delays due to the vagaries of the internet and there are interactions that can cause delays for some folks and not others. I'll keep an eye on things to see if I

Re: [time-nuts] NEW subject

2013-05-09 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
I didn't look at this initially because I thought it was a reference to the (s)NTP time setting program for Windows that came, I think, from a company called Dimension4. I wonder if there is any connection? John On 5/9/2013 3:46 PM, Bob Camp wrote: Hi A little poking at the web site:

Re: [time-nuts] Extended length Phase Noise Measurements with TimeLab

2013-05-03 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
Hi Tom -- Are you talking about capture time limits, or minimum tau? I've never encountered any capture time limits in TimeLab and have done out to 30 days. However, one thing I have noticed with the 5120A ethernet using my own capture software is that the data flow will sometimes stop for s

Re: [time-nuts] Time nut newbie

2013-04-30 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
Hi Tim -- Welcome! The easiest way to search the time-nuts list is to use Google and add the "site:febo.com" tag -- that will bring up hits in the list archive (as well as anything on my web site that might be pertinent). John On 4/30/2013 1:49 PM, Tim Bastian wrote: Hi all, I'm a ti

[time-nuts] TADD-1 PC Boards

2013-04-23 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
Hi All -- Some of you know that I've been working on a very high performance buffer amplifier in both a single channel version and a 6 channel version that will replace the TADD-1, which TAPR discontinued because the MAX477 op-amp is no longer available. Unfortunately life and health and a f

Re: [time-nuts] Working on new NanoBSD w/NTPns for Net4501image...

2013-04-19 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
Jason, a few months ago I was able to build a FreeBSD 9 system using standard NTP. It involved a lot of pain, a lot of help from PHK, and a lot of handwaving, but in the end it worked. I'm happy to share config info if you'd like -- contact me off list. John On 4/19/2013 9:50 AM, Jason

Re: [time-nuts] Distribution amplifier phase noise

2013-03-14 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
Ulrich, I'm on the run right now, but I've done measurements of the HP 5087, TADD-1, Spectracom 8140-series line amp, and a new protoype ULN buffer amp. I'll post the links later today. John On Mar 14, 2013, at 6:59 AM, "Ulrich Bangert" wrote: > Gentlemen, > > although it has been discussed

Re: [time-nuts] GPIB counter logging / plotting software?

2013-02-25 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
John Miles' most excellent TimeLab software should be able to do what you want: http://www.miles.io/TimeLab/beta.htm John On 2/25/2013 10:39 AM, Dan Rae wrote: I am working on 400 - 500 MHz DDS clocks for an amateur radio project and would like to record over gpib and plot the relative frequ

Re: [time-nuts] Low noise power supplies?

2013-01-31 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
And this (very interesting) thread brings up the question of measurement methods. Some time ago I searched around and didn't find much on a standard way to measure noise on low voltage DC supplies. John On 1/31/2013 11:36 AM, Bob Camp wrote: Hi I think the comparison of PSD on a power

[time-nuts] Create "measuring-n...@febo.com" list? [ Was: Re: OT, looking for a good science forum ]

2013-01-27 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
If there's interest and we can agree on a charter, I would be happy to create a "measuring-nuts" (or similar) list at febo.com. If so, I'd like the charter to be along the lines of "high signal-to-noise ratio discussion at the serious-amateur level of scientific measurement tools and technique

Re: [time-nuts] ensemble oscillators for better stability

2012-12-28 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
Hi Corby -- I've often thought of the idea of mixing two 5 MHz sources in a DBM and using the resulting 10 MHz, so I'm really curious to see how this works out. Seems like injection locking is the most likely problem you'd have to deal with. Let us know how this goes! John On Dec 28, 2012,

Re: [time-nuts] clock-block any need ?

2012-12-27 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
The Clock-Block is a clock generator that is useful if you want to replace the computer's onboard crystal clock with an external high-stability source. For example, you can configure it to take a 10 MHz input from a GPSDO and create a 14.318182 MHz output to replace the crystal in a PC that use

Re: [time-nuts] Brooks Shera

2012-12-21 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
And folks, please respect Brooks' privacy -- remember that this list is archived in many places on the web. John paul swed said the following on 12/21/2012 04:06 PM: Kind of defocusing here. I think the thread is about possibly helping to release the shera v4.02 software. Several folks app

Re: [time-nuts] Z3805A cooling requirements?

2012-12-20 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
Magnus Danielson said the following on 12/20/2012 05:29 PM: On 12/20/2012 10:19 PM, John Ackermann N8UR wrote: TimeLab can talk directly to the 512x boxes via ethernet. I've also written some Linux scripts to capture both phase data and graphs from the 5120; happy to share with anyone

Re: [time-nuts] Z3805A cooling requirements?

2012-12-20 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
TimeLab can talk directly to the 512x boxes via ethernet. I've also written some Linux scripts to capture both phase data and graphs from the 5120; happy to share with anyone who'd like them (but TimeLab is a whole lot easier in most cases). John On 12/20/2012 4:09 PM, Bob Camp wrote: Hi Y

Re: [time-nuts] Thunderbolt schematics

2012-12-11 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
On Dec 11, 2012, at 6:57 PM, Magnus Danielson wrote: > Tom, > > On 12/12/2012 12:44 AM, Tom Van Baak wrote: >>> I think that the TBolt's schematic(s) are sort of HolyGrail for TimeNuts. >> >> Some French time nuts told us they already have one. It's very nice. > > Would you be able to share?

Re: [time-nuts] Sir Patrick Moore

2012-12-10 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
On 12/10/2012 7:10 AM, David Kirkby wrote: On 10 December 2012 09:24, David C. Partridge wrote: Related to time-nuttery as astonomical observation was used for time-keeping until C20. Sir Patrick Moore, the great amateur astonomer died yesterday at the age of 89. Although considered an amat

Re: [time-nuts] Search Time-Nuts Archive?

2012-12-08 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
I don't have an internal search engine on the server, but most folks just do a google search using the "site:febo.com" option and that seems to work well. John On Dec 8, 2012, at 11:24 AM, "Mike Garvey" wrote: > Is there a way to search the Archive? > > I can find the archive, but there see

Re: [time-nuts] GPSDO Alternatives

2012-12-06 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
On 12/6/2012 4:35 PM, Charles P. Steinmetz wrote: From my perspective, the most interesting development would be an offer by someone with a very well equipped lab to test any DIY GPSDO with a consistent protocol and publish the results. That way, we could all see how the various approaches com

Re: [time-nuts] Using a frequency synthesizer replacement for motherboard oscillator

2012-11-30 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
On Nov 30, 2012, at 7:42 PM, John Ackermann N8UR wrote: > In this case, you're not looking for the RTC but rather the clock that drives > the COU Read "CPU". Stupid iPad keyboard. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.c

Re: [time-nuts] Using a frequency synthesizer replacement for motherboard oscillator

2012-11-30 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
On Nov 30, 2012, at 7:10 PM, Sarah White wrote: > On 11/30/2012 6:30 PM, Eric Garner wrote: >> the actual RTC on modern (Intel based) PC's is driven from a standard >> 32,768 Hz crystal attached to the PCH. some of them are in incredibly small >> packages now instead of the old tuning fork-in-a-c

Re: [time-nuts] Using a frequency synthesizer replacement for motherboard oscillator

2012-11-30 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
In this case, you're not looking for the RTC but rather the clock that drives the COU, which is what drives the system clock. On most systems, the RTC is read only at startup and is not used once the system is running. John On Nov 30, 2012, at 6:30 PM, Eric Garner wrote: > the actual RTC on

Re: [time-nuts] Special integration capacitors

2012-11-29 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
Sadly, no. Different number and it looks like pin-out as well. On Nov 29, 2012, at 6:06 PM, Robert Atkinson wrote: > Is that ADO27B op-amp module on the PCB the same one used in the degausser > for the HP 5061 high performance tube? > > Robert G8RPI. > > >

Re: [time-nuts] Efratom MFS system

2012-11-25 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
ing not to interchange the modules between the two systems. There may be some value in reviewing the MFTS manual to see if there's anything applicable to the MFS. Ed On 11/25/2012 10:15 AM, John Ackermann N8UR wrote: At a recent hamfest, I picked up an interesting looking Efratom "

[time-nuts] Efratom MFS system

2012-11-25 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
At a recent hamfest, I picked up an interesting looking Efratom "Made in Germany" MFS modular frequency standard system. It's basically a GPS disciplined FRK Rubidium with XO fail-over and a whole bunch of RF and PPS outputs, in a *very* heavy box. I've had a chance to play with it a bit and

[time-nuts] 10638A Degausser Update

2012-11-23 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
A couple of weeks ago I posted about problems with my HP 10638A degausser (that's used with the 5061 Cs units to remove residual magnetism from the high-performance option tube). My troubleshooting indicated that the problem was likely in the op-amp that is used to generate an exponentially de

Re: [time-nuts] Recommended parameters for Timelab ADEV analysis

2012-11-20 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
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Re: [time-nuts] Nifty "MINI TIC" for DMTD work

2012-11-19 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
Corby and Bert -- Count me in! John On Nov 19, 2012, at 3:15 PM, cdel...@juno.com wrote: > As Bert mentioned once the amount if interest is established purchase > details will post. > > We also will post a FAQ for this project. > > Thanks, > > Corby > ___

Re: [time-nuts] Recommended parameters for Timelab ADEV analysis

2012-11-14 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
Edgardo, the minimum sample rate in practice is determined by the noise floor of the measurement system. I would suggest that you do a baseline test by measuring the counter reference against itself with a tau0 (sample rate) of 1 second. You'll see a best-case result and from it you can determ

Re: [time-nuts] Confused about Rubidium oscillators

2012-11-14 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
From what's been reported here, the mechanism isn't consumption of the Rb, but rather deposition of material on inside of the bulb, reducing its intensity, and that can sometimes be reversed by tricks that some time-nuts have reported -- it's more of a maintenance rather than a wear-out issue.

Re: [time-nuts] TADD-2 Mini Sine or Square signal input?

2012-11-14 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
purpose or disclose its contents to any third party. Thank you. On Nov 13, 2012, at 8:21 PM, John Ackermann N8UR wrote: Hello Edgardo -- The T2-Mini uses a wide-range input circuit based on one that Wenzel published with some modifications. It works with a square wave input (I've don

Re: [time-nuts] TADD-2 Mini Sine or Square signal input?

2012-11-13 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
Hello Edgardo -- The T2-Mini uses a wide-range input circuit based on one that Wenzel published with some modifications. It works with a square wave input (I've done some limited testing) but I can't verify whether the input amplitude range will extend as far on either the low or the high side

Re: [time-nuts] Rubidium as radio reference

2012-11-04 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
Joe, the question is whether the DDS spurs and noise on the FE-5680A are strong enough to interfere with your measurements. I suspect that in the HF/VHF range, you'd probably be OK, at UHF maybe dicey, at microwave probably not good (assuming you're multiplying the Rb up). I have phase noise m

Re: [time-nuts] Sulzer 5A & 5P PSU/battery question

2012-11-01 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
Hi Magnus -- I was recently (within the last year) able to get the battery pack in my 5P power supply rebuilt by the local Batteries Plus store. It took a few weeks for them to order and obtain the cells, but they do seem to be available. John On Nov 1, 2012, at 4:51 PM, Magnus Danielson wrot

Re: [time-nuts] Zeeman frequency oddness

2012-10-28 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
Thanks to all for the helpful replies. At this point, I believe what happened is that the degausser isn't working properly and that may have resulted in the tube being more magnetized rather than less; no matter what I do, I am now getting lock at about -5e11 -- which is not what it used to be

[time-nuts] Zeeman frequency oddness

2012-10-27 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
Since I recently got an HP Cs degausser (thanks, Stijn!), I though I'd go through the whole setup routine for my 5061B/004 and see how close the C-field-via-Zeeman setting would bring me to GPS-derived frequency. It turned out to be an interesting and puzzling exercise. This 5061 seems to be

Re: [time-nuts] 5061B ops manual without missing pages?

2012-10-27 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of John Ackermann N8UR Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2012 09:06 To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Subject: [time-nuts] 5061B ops manual without missing pages? Does anyone have a copy of the 5061B ops manual that does not have pages 3-7 and 3-8 missing

[time-nuts] 5061B ops manual without missing pages?

2012-10-27 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
Does anyone have a copy of the 5061B ops manual that does not have pages 3-7 and 3-8 missing? The copy at the Agilent site doesn't have those, and they are the basic start-up instructions. I am guessing that the steps are not much different than those in the 5061A manual (which I have), but i

Re: [time-nuts] Adjusting HP 5065A frequency

2012-10-21 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
Hi Edgardo -- One slightly frustrating thing about the 5065A is that its frequency settability isn't as good as its short term stability. I believe the manual says that the small divisions on the C-field counter dial are 2x10e12, and it's hard to set closer than that. A good 5065A is a remark

Re: [time-nuts] HP Z3805A com port and monitoring questions

2012-10-14 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
n deleting the message and its attachments from your computer without keeping a copy. It is strictly forbidden to copy it or use it for any purpose or disclose its contents to any third party. Thank you. On Oct 14, 2012, at 8:23 AM, John Ackermann N8UR wrote: On the unit I bought from fluk

Re: [time-nuts] HP Z3805A com port and monitoring questions

2012-10-14 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
On the unit I bought from fluke.l, with a "Samsung" label, there are two serial ports. The bottom one is the control port and is definitely RS-232. The top port has only three wires (TXD, RXD, SG) and I think is used for some sort of monitoring. I've been using Ulrich's "z38xx" software to m

Re: [time-nuts] To use or not to use transmission line splitters for GPS receivers

2012-10-09 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
Here's a link to a USNO paper that measured the tempco of three GPS amplifiers: http://www.dtic.mil/cgi-bin/GetTRDoc?AD=ADA490830 They found that amplifier filtering was the prime cause of tempco, and the narrowest bandpass amplifier they looked at had a group delay range of 4 nanoseconds over

Re: [time-nuts] Tracking NTP displacement and correlation between two clients.

2012-10-04 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
Bob, check http://www.febo.com/pages/plots/ntp and see if the graphs there would provide the info you need. They're based on using one NTP server to monitor the offset of a number of other services and plotting the results over time. If so, I'm happy to make the (*nix-based) scripts available

Re: [time-nuts] Symmetricom 58532A and 58536A group delay figures

2012-09-30 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
Found the data on the splitters: http://www.febo.com/pages/lab_documentation/gps_cable_delay/hp_gps_splitter/ My recollection was a bit off -- we saw about 22ns on the two-port 58535a and about 15ns on the 8-port 58517A. I would guess the 4-port unit would be similar. Unfortunately, I haven't

Re: [time-nuts] Symmetricom 58532A and 58536A group delay figures

2012-09-30 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
We measured the delay on a couple of the splitters. I need to dig up the results, but I think the delay is around 7ns in both the 2 and 8 port units, and is pretty consistent port-to-port. I'll find the data and get it on the pages at febo.com. John On Sep 30, 2012, at 2:51 AM, Christopher B

Re: [time-nuts] Question about listing equipment here

2012-09-28 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
On 9/28/2012 12:10 PM, George Race wrote: I have a good size offering of vintage electronic equipment that I would like to get rid of, mostly 50's and 60's stuff from HP, Tek, Boonton, Stoddart, ect.Is it permissible to post the listing here, along with pictures, or is there another place tha

[time-nuts] A gentle request...

2012-09-28 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
I know the WWVB news is something that's important and on-topic for this group. However, with the discussions about zoning/regulations and the creeping trend toward general political comment, I think it's time to refocus. Remember that there are 1200+ recipients of every time-nuts message, an

Re: [time-nuts] New WWVB format...

2012-09-26 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
Paul, I have a couple of Spectracoms running and have pretty decent WWVB signal strength here. I'd be happy to test the hack. John On 9/26/2012 1:32 PM, paul swed wrote: I may have at least the spectracoms figured out. Its a hack and at least using my homebrew wwvb psk encoder seems to w

Re: [time-nuts] HP-106 and Sulzer Quartz Crystals

2012-09-19 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
"BVA" is an acronym for a French term that means something like "improved aging". It's a unique type of crystal mount that reduces mechanical stresses, and has been built into OCXOs by Oscilloquartz in Switzerland. A "Blue Top" is a Wenzel Associates ultra-low phase noise oscillator. Wenzel

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