Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 2.0

2011-02-04 Thread chill
pippin;608155 Wrote: If your server connects to a GBit switch the leg from the server to the switch will be autonegotiated to 1GBit So it must be in that leg that the SQ of the packets gets mangled. -- chill chill's

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 2.0

2011-02-04 Thread pippin
chill;608158 Wrote: So it must be in that leg that the SQ of the packets gets mangled. That's why I proposed 10Base2 -- pippin --- see iPeng, the Squeezebox iPhone remote and *New: iPeng for iPad*, at penguinlovesmusic.com

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 2.0

2011-02-04 Thread soundcheck
Guys. Don't panic! Calm down. There is no rush to run into wild network reconfigurations. The majority is running Windows anyhow, and those Linux based NASes seem to perform as well as Windows. For now we're talking about a minority of Linux folks or better Ubuntu folks in particular. Fact

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 2.0

2011-02-04 Thread chill
soundcheck;608161 Wrote: Fact is that different systems and system configurations do seem to have an impact. And according to your DIYAudio thread, this latest mod of yours makes it difficult to distinguish between Windows and Ubuntu. I have my own opinion about the source of the SQ

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 2.0

2011-02-04 Thread bpa
Has network statistics been examined ? Has anybody counted the number of data packets being sent ? Does it change between different settings ? It's possible that there is a TCP segmentation issue and packets are segmented differently according to different settings. Has error / retrans counts

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 2.0

2011-02-04 Thread soundcheck
chill;608163 Wrote: And according to your DIYAudio thread, this latest mod of yours makes it difficult to distinguish between Windows and Ubuntu. Yep. You got it. Though it is not my latest mod. It is the first try to figure out what's causing it. That's the whole intention of my Beta

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 2.0

2011-02-04 Thread andynormancx
chill;608146 Wrote: Thanks for the confirmation. So it must be the optional half duplex mod that makes all the difference then That is -one- of the possible explanations, yes. -- andynormancx Yes, it will. Yes, all of them. Yes, SoftSqueeze as well. What ? I SAID ALL OF THEM !

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 2.0

2011-02-04 Thread Phil Leigh
chill;608146 Wrote: Thanks for the confirmation. So it must be the optional half duplex mod that makes all the difference then erm...dunno. Half-duplex introduces collision detection - and lowers bandwidth. I'm not sure we can have a logical discussion about this. IF there is an

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 2.0

2011-02-04 Thread soundcheck
bpa;608164 Wrote: Has network statistics been examined ? Has anybody counted the number of data packets being sent ? Does it change between different settings ? It's possible that there is a TCP segmentation issue and packets are segmented differently according to different settings.

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 2.0

2011-02-04 Thread soundcheck
Phil Leigh;608168 Wrote: IF there is an effect, it is RFI/noise getting into the Touch via ethernet cable. Nothing to do with TCP/IP or any of the logical OSI layers per se. How do yo know. Done your homework? Ever looked into TCP/IP issues and parametrization? I doubt that. Phil

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 2.0

2011-02-04 Thread Phil Leigh
soundcheck;608173 Wrote: How do yo know. Done your homework? Ever looked into TCP/IP issues and parametrization? I doubt that. Speculations over speculations. I can't believe that. That you can read since almost a year on my blog. If you'd read my blog. You could have

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 2.0

2011-02-04 Thread pippin
soundcheck;608172 Wrote: Linux driver issue: As you've seen people compared a Linux based NAS with W7. And here the result was similar. similar as in some found Linux to be better (ReadyNAS) and some found it to be worse? -- pippin --- see iPeng, the Squeezebox iPhone remote and *New:

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 2.0

2011-02-04 Thread soundcheck
Phil Leigh;608179 Wrote: By baselessly insulting and patronising me you merely make yourself look even more foolish. I don't think so. Your cynism is omnipresent. You're the measurement guy over here who is not delivering anything, since weeks. If RMI/EMI makes it through the ground, who

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 2.0

2011-02-04 Thread soundcheck
pippin;608181 Wrote: similar as in some found Linux to be better (ReadyNAS) and some found it to be worse? I would have to look it up. Whatsoever. Some peole hear nothing, some hear this, the others hear that. The OS seems to have an impact. For me a sign the have a closer look at it. No

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 2.0

2011-02-04 Thread chill
Klaus, and anyone else who suspects that network comms are affecting SQ I think it was Phil who offered a simple test. Pull the ethernet cable out of the back of your Touch while it is playing a track. By definition, all network comms will stop at that moment, but the Touch will have around

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 2.0

2011-02-04 Thread kiat
soundcheck;608191 Wrote: I would have to look it up. Whatsoever. Some peole hear nothing, some hear this, the others hear that. The OS seems to have an impact. For me a sign to have a closer look at it. Each network itself has too many variables to come to a general conclusion,

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 2.0

2011-02-04 Thread soundcheck
chill;608197 Wrote: Klaus, and anyone else who suspects that network comms are affecting SQ I think it was Phil who offered a simple test. Pull the ethernet cable out of the back of your Touch while it is playing a track. By definition, all network comms will stop at that moment, but the

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 2.0

2011-02-04 Thread pippin
Indeed. One can feel your blood pressure going up here. Sorry, but the style by which you comment here to people who even take this discussion serious and contribute useful ideas on how to clear things up just discredit everything you propose yourself. -- pippin --- see iPeng, the Squeezebox

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 2.0

2011-02-04 Thread Phil Leigh
soundcheck;608209 Wrote: Good luck with that very intelligent cable pull test. My blood pressure boils up while running back and forth pulling cables to catch the effective slot of 10s. I already hear the sharks commenting on non-compliant ABX testing. Then I don't even know what kind

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 2.0

2011-02-04 Thread aubuti
magiccarpetride;608051 Wrote: Anyone with dual OSX/Windows boot tried the comparison? I don't have a dual boot (only running Squeezebox server on OSX), but I'd really like to learn whether there are any audible differences between the two OSs. But you have been arguing that what other people

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 2.0

2011-02-04 Thread magiccarpetride
aubuti;608326 Wrote: But you have been arguing that what other people believe/hear is irrelevant to one's own musical experience -- so what would it matter if someone else could or couldn't detect an audible difference? Self-esteem a little low today? :-) I never said that. I said that if

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 2.0

2011-02-04 Thread praganj
magiccarpetride;608392 Wrote: To these tight chested people I say a very loud and clear fuck you!. I agree totally :) For me the soundcheck mods are also GREAT improvement. Thank You Klaus ! -- praganj

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 2.0

2011-02-03 Thread kiat
Hi soundcheck I've compared the difference 1) ReadyNas Duo 1GB, firmware 4.1.7, SqueezeBoxServer 7.6.0~31873 2) Win 7 64bit, 8GB, SqueezeBoxServer 7.6.0~31873 I personally find that the ReadyNas Duo sounds better. Cleaner with tigher bass. -- kiat

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 2.0

2011-02-03 Thread Soulkeeper
magiccarpetride;607501 Wrote: If we continue in this idiotically scholastic fashion, pretty soon someone will claim that the rain is falling because the grass is growing. Answers.com: 'How does vegetation affect climate?' (http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_does_vegetation_affect_climate) --

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 2.0

2011-02-03 Thread soundcheck
kiat;607866 Wrote: Hi soundcheck I've compared the difference 1) ReadyNas Duo 1GB, firmware 4.1.7, SqueezeBoxServer 7.6.0~31873 2) Win 7 64bit, 8GB, SqueezeBoxServer 7.6.0~31873 I personally find that the ReadyNas Duo sounds better. Cleaner with tigher bass. I got similar feedback

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 2.0

2011-02-03 Thread Soundman
I also did a comparison with the following setup: 1) Squeezeplug + USB Drive with SqueezeBoxServer 7.6.0 - 31873 OS: Debian Linux 6.0 - DE - utf8 Architecture: armv5tel-linux Perl-Version: 5.10.1 - arm-linux-gnueabi-thread-multi DBD: SQLite 1.32_01 (sqlite 3.7.4) 2) Win7 64bit, 12GB,

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 2.0

2011-02-03 Thread soundcheck
Soundman;607962 Wrote: I also did a comparison with the following setup: 1) Squeezeplug + USB Drive with SqueezeBoxServer 7.6.0 - 31873 OS: Debian Linux 6.0 - DE - utf8 Architecture: armv5tel-linux Perl-Version: 5.10.1 - arm-linux-gnueabi-thread-multi DBD: SQLite 1.32_01 (sqlite 3.7.4)

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 2.0

2011-02-03 Thread soundcheck
I just wrote up the instructions on TT Beta Blog for the Linux folks around here. Let me know what you think. Have fun. -- soundcheck 'soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 2.0' (http://soundcheck-audio.blogspot.com/2011/01/soundchecks-squeezebox-touch-toolbox-20.html) || 'soundcheck's Touch Toolbox -

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 2.0

2011-02-03 Thread Soundman
soundcheck;607965 Wrote: BTW: Does your Sheevaplug got enough power to do server based flac decoding? Yes, absolutely no problem at all. I always use server based flac decoding and I have many 24/96 tracks. I'm listening to music right now and the serverload is minimal: CPU load averages

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 2.0

2011-02-03 Thread magiccarpetride
soundcheck;607968 Wrote: I just wrote up the instructions on TT Beta Blog for the Linux folks around here. Let me know what you think. Have fun. Anyone with dual OSX/Windows boot tried the comparison? I don't have a dual boot (only running Squeezebox server on OSX), but I'd really like

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 2.0

2011-02-03 Thread pippin
chill;608093 Wrote: Do you have a theory for how this can affect sound quality? According to the specification page for the Touch, it's wired ethernet 'connects to any 100 Mbps or 10 Mbps network' - no mention of Gigabit - so wouldn't a Linux box end up talking to the Touch at 100Mbps

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 2.0

2011-02-03 Thread kiat
soundcheck;607968 Wrote: I just wrote up the instructions on TT Beta Blog for the Linux folks around here. Let me know what you think. Have fun. Hi Soundcheck My ReadyNas Due is running the SqueezeboxServer directly internally. Both the Win7 and ReadyNas is running at 1000MBit I

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 2.0

2011-02-03 Thread tonyptony
tonyptony;607837 Wrote: I may have missed this, but has anyone else found the digital volume of the Touch locked at 50% after applying the 2.0 mods? I did a full hard button reset, then install of 2.0. It went fine. I did all of the recommended Soundcheck tweaks, but I did leave all outputs

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 2.0

2011-02-03 Thread chill
pippin;608101 Wrote: No. The linux box talks to nothing but the next switch. There your precious bits will be buffered, sent through an internal bus, re-packaged and sent to the next device in the link. Indeed - that's how my own setup looks, so I see that my Mac ethernet interface runs at

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 2.0

2011-02-03 Thread chill
Phil Leigh;608145 Wrote: The Touch ONLY does 100Mb... so assuming a typical setup of server-router-Touch, the whole chain will be autonegotiated down to running at 100Mb anyway. Thanks for the confirmation. So it must be the optional half duplex mod that makes all the difference then

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 2.0

2011-02-02 Thread chill
Update: Disregard those figures. I found a way to isolate the Perl module in the activity monitor, and I queued up a FLAC album (previous figures were based on an old OGG album). The Perl process seems to maintain a continuous level of network traffic at around 110-140KB/sec, until about 40

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 2.0

2011-02-02 Thread soundcheck
chill;607593 Wrote: Update: Disregard those figures. I found a way to isolate the Perl module in the activity monitor, and I queued up a FLAC album (previous figures were based on an old OGG album). The Perl process seems to maintain a continuous level of network traffic at around

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 2.0

2011-02-02 Thread Kuja
soundcheck;607292 Wrote: Confirmed! For W7 and Vista What about Win XP? I'm running SBS on XP SP1. -- Kuja Kuja's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=32935 View this thread:

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 2.0

2011-02-02 Thread Phil Leigh
Kuja;607622 Wrote: What about Win XP? I'm running SBS on XP SP1. SP1 ! wow. -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal... Touch(wired/XP) - TACT 2.2X (Linear PSU) + Good Vibrations S/W - MF Triplethreat(Audiocom

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 2.0

2011-02-02 Thread chill
chill;607593 Wrote: So all that this shows is that, for the Mac at least, the period between -40s and -10s should be virtually free of network traffic, and should sound better than the rest of the track if there's anything to this theory. soundcheck;607596 Wrote: And just to mention it:

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 2.0

2011-02-02 Thread soundcheck
chill;607642 Wrote: I forgot to mention that my figures are for an unmodified Touch, so the size of the internal buffer is as Logitech intended. Am I understanding correctly the effect of the buffer reduction mod in believing that the Touch will be able to store less audio as a result of

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 2.0

2011-02-02 Thread chill
Ah, OK. Have you been able to check the characteristics of the network traffic under Windows and/or Linux? Are they anything like the numbers I observed on the Mac? -- chill chill's Profile:

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 2.0

2011-02-02 Thread soundcheck
chill;607649 Wrote: Ah, OK. Have you been able to check the characteristics of the network traffic under Windows and/or Linux? Are they anything like the numbers I observed on the Mac? The friend of mine has done it. He measured higher throughput on his Windows machine. I havn't done

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 2.0

2011-02-02 Thread ftlight
Kuja;607622 Wrote: What about Win XP? I'm running SBS on XP SP1. I'm now working on running Squeezebox Server under Windows 3.1 - with the much lower operating system overhead, I'm expecting far superior results. And once I get that set up, DOS and CP/M will be next. -- ftlight

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 2.0

2011-02-02 Thread magiccarpetride
ftlight;607796 Wrote: I'm now working on running Squeezebox Server under Windows 3.1 - with the much lower operating system overhead, I'm expecting far superior results. And once I get that set up, DOS and CP/M will be next. Please don't shoot the messenger, but I'm getting absolutely

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 2.0

2011-02-02 Thread garym
magiccarpetride;607803 Wrote: Please don't shoot the messenger, but I'm getting absolutely superior digital streaming sound quality ever since I've switched to the system operating on a batch of punched cards. Try it, you'll never look back! A match made in heaven -- it's where the analog

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 2.0

2011-02-02 Thread magiccarpetride
garym;607809 Wrote: I find my punch cards using COBOL language are even better than the cards with FORTRAN. ;-) Haha! COBOL? Dilettante! I urge you to switch to RPG II. You won't believe your ears -- the sound is much punchier (pun intended), especially if you keep your RPG indicators in

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 2.0

2011-02-02 Thread garym
magiccarpetride;607814 Wrote: COBOL carries so much processing overhead it's not even funny. It muddies the sound so much, that I don't know if it's opera that's playing or Justin Bieber. +1 ...and if we've even heard of COBOL, we're too old to have much hearing left.. I lost most of

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 2.0

2011-02-02 Thread magiccarpetride
garym;607816 Wrote: +1 ...and if we've even heard of COBOL, we're too old to have much hearing left.. I lost most of mine on the front row of a few Who concerts (Who's Next Quadrophenia tours). All my search for better sounding stuff is mostly just theoretical! In my case, I'm relying

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 2.0

2011-02-02 Thread tonyptony
I may have missed this, but has anyone else found the digital volume of the Touch locked at 50% after applying the 2.0 mods? I did a full hard button reset, then install of 2.0. It went fine. I did all of the recommended Soundcheck tweaks, but I did leave all outputs active. I'm using v7.5.1 of

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 2.0

2011-02-01 Thread firedog
Because we always hear that both Linux and OSX based boxes are better. Witness products like the Auraliti and Mach2Mini. In addition, lots of industry insiders/designers of computer based solutions prefer MAC and Linux (example: Gordon at Wavelength). -- firedog Tranquil PC fanless WHS server

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 2.0

2011-02-01 Thread soundcheck
firedog;607323 Wrote: Because we always hear that both Linux and OSX based boxes are better. Witness products like the Auraliti and Mach2Mini. In addition, lots of industry insiders/designers of computer based solutions prefer MAC and Linux (example: Gordon at Wavelength). It's not that

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 2.0

2011-02-01 Thread PietB
Well, I really don't know how come but I hear difference in sound dynamics when I play from 7.6 sb server on Win7 laptop or 7.6 sb server from Qnap 219P (ssots) with same settings and both wired with cat 5e where I prefer the nas. -- PietB

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 2.0

2011-02-01 Thread guidof
chill;607291 Wrote: Can you clarify - are you saying that your Squeezebox Touch sounds better when connected to Squeezebox Server running on Windows 7 than it does when connected to Squeezebox Server running on Linux? SOUNDCHECK: Confirmed! For W7 and Vista Good Lord! Just when you thought

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 2.0

2011-02-01 Thread magiccarpetride
guidof;607399 Wrote: *SOUNDCHECK:* Confirmed! For W7 and Vista Good Lord! Just when you thought all OS 'sound' the same! ;) Guido F. Can anyone compare the same between Windows and OSX? -- magiccarpetride

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 2.0

2011-02-01 Thread magiccarpetride
soundcheck;607365 Wrote: It's not that easy as you might think. And it is not black or white either. You need to differentiate a bit more. Logitech is not using the soundlayer of any OS on the server side (let's not talk about Alsa on the Touch for now). What I am talking about is

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 2.0

2011-02-01 Thread Phil Leigh
I realise y'all aren't wi-fi fans, but you should try comparing the sound of the IP packets sent to the Touch via Windows to those from OSX AND linux over wi-fi... -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal...

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 2.0

2011-02-01 Thread paulster
guidof;607399 Wrote: *SOUNDCHECK:* Confirmed! For W7 and Vista Good Lord! Just when you thought all OS 'sound' the same! ;) I'm waiting to hear that Cisco switches sound better than Nortel, which of course is going to sound better than Netgear or D-Link. It's quite entertaining to hear the

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 2.0

2011-02-01 Thread andynormancx
I could have sworn it was the first of February and not the first of April. -- andynormancx Yes, it will. Yes, all of them. Yes, SoftSqueeze as well. What ? I SAID ALL OF THEM ! andynormancx's Profile:

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 2.0

2011-02-01 Thread garym
andynormancx;607480 Wrote: I could have sworn it was the first of February and not the first of April. you made my day ;-) -- garym garym's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17325 View this

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 2.0

2011-02-01 Thread bluegaspode
Maybe Windows and Linux use different default MTU sizes resulting in different timing behaviour of the Touches network chip? If that is the cause, then tweaking the linux parameters might help. Where on former mods I didn't believe that they could cause any audible difference - here we at least

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 2.0

2011-02-01 Thread paulster
bluegaspode;607489 Wrote: Maybe Windows and Linux use different default MTU sizes resulting in different timing behaviour of the Touches network chip? If that is the cause, then tweaking the linux parameters might help. Where on former mods I didn't believe that they could cause any

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 2.0

2011-02-01 Thread magiccarpetride
paulster;607477 Wrote: It's quite entertaining to hear the non-technical put their own spin on something which is quite absolute. The DTS test is all you need to verify that this is complete tripe, without getting into the technicalities of the OSI and hardware abstraction models and then

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 2.0

2011-02-01 Thread bluegaspode
paulster;607495 Wrote: The incoming data hits a not-insubstantial buffer though, so the MTU and timing of the data won't make a jot of difference unless the buffer empties. Nah - regardless of the buffer size, the new packets are still arriving on the network card and might effect timing on

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 2.0

2011-02-01 Thread paulster
chill;607504 Wrote: Indeed - I've noticed the same thing, so for most of the time the player is probably simply playing out the contents of the buffer. I can't be sure, but it doesn't seem as though there is a continuous stream of data to the player, but rather an occasional spurt of data to

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 2.0

2011-02-01 Thread Greg Erskine
chill;607504 Wrote: Indeed - I've noticed the same thing, so for most of the time the player is probably simply playing out the contents of the buffer. I can't be sure, but it doesn't seem as though there is a continuous stream of data to the player, but rather an occasional spurt of data to

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 2.0

2011-02-01 Thread aubuti
Does that short spike occur about 10 seconds before the end of the track, as opposed to at the very end of the track? That would make sense, because I believe SBS sends the next track into the SB's buffer when there are 10 seconds left on the current track (which is why, for instance, it is

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 2.0

2011-02-01 Thread jfo
Those who have complete disdain for that superstitious scientific stuff may want to check out this new product from Machina Dynamica... Machina Dynamica's latest product, Codename Blue Meanies, is a set of 4 adhesive-backed 3/4 blue dots that are attached to the walls of the listening room, one

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 2.0

2011-02-01 Thread soundcheck
Phil Leigh;607469 Wrote: I realise y'all aren't wi-fi fans, but you should try comparing the sound of the IP packets sent to the Touch via Windows to those from OSX AND linux over wi-fi... Even with all the flaws related to a wired connection being untouched, the wireless connection was

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 2.0

2011-02-01 Thread soundcheck
bluegaspode;607503 Wrote: Trust your ears! Just yesterday I also read an article that lossless compressed audio files flatten the sound compared to their lossless uncompressed counterparts. If you don't try this yourself you will never believe it though. Great that you read an

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 2.0

2011-02-01 Thread soundcheck
paulster;607477 Wrote: I'm waiting to hear that Cisco switches sound better than Nortel, which of course is going to sound better than Netgear or D-Link. It's quite entertaining to hear the non-technical put their own spin on something which is quite absolute. The DTS test is all you need

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 2.0

2011-02-01 Thread chill
Greg Erskine;607542 Wrote: When I monitor my network traffic on my PC I get a continuous 1% utilization while each track is playing. At the end of the track utilizatiom drops to zero then there is a short spike of 12% or so, then it flatlines to 1%. I assume this is the traffic from PC to

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 2.0

2011-01-29 Thread tonyptony
dsdreamer;606323 Wrote: Holding down the little reset button for 5 seconds so that all firmware and settings are restored. I found that if you let the firmware upgrade happen with Soundcheck's mods left in place you get a into an undefined state where some of the mods are over-written and

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 2.0

2011-01-28 Thread tonyptony
soundcheck;605316 Wrote: BTW: Did you do factory reset before you upgraded? Is Reset Player Preferences from the Settings menu sufficient, or does it require a real hardware reset? -- tonyptony tonyptony's Profile:

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 2.0

2011-01-28 Thread dsdreamer
tonyptony;606274 Wrote: Is Reset Player Preferences from the Settings menu sufficient, or does it require a real hardware reset? Holding down the little reset button for 5 seconds so that all firmware and settings are restored. I found that if you let the firmware upgrade happen with

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 2.0

2011-01-28 Thread dsdreamer
@Phil Leigh. Thanks for taking time to do careful measurements. Some of us a extremely interested to see measured data, whether it confirms our subjective impressions or otherwise. -- dsdreamer -- Dreamer, easy in the chair that really fits you...

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 2.0

2011-01-27 Thread soundcheck
I'm pretty active since years on Audio Asylum and DIY-Audio. Just a side note - the way I see certain things: Audio Asylum is used by some manufactures as a marketing platform -- same over here, different people though. (perhaps those manufacturers havn't even realized that ;) ) Just by being

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 2.0

2011-01-27 Thread magiccarpetride
Phil Leigh;605620 Wrote: As far as I can see, nobody has yet presented any measurements... therefore nobody has yet attempted to interpret them... That's an excellent point. Thanks for bringing it up. This gives me (hopefully) an opportunity to revise my statements: in the absence of

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 2.0

2011-01-27 Thread chill
magiccarpetride;605943 Wrote: For example, we have recently had one member here calling bullshit on Soundcheck's mods because he claims that he is a computer programmer and that, from the standpoint of the source code, there couldn't possibly be any differences. That's what I call

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 2.0

2011-01-27 Thread Gazjam
Good Post Alex. -- Gazjam Gazjam's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=18604 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84742 ___

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 2.0

2011-01-27 Thread magiccarpetride
chill;605976 Wrote: Perhaps you, with your years of professional programming experience, would like to point me in the right direction in understanding how that mod can have an effect. I don't explain them, I just enjoy them. chill;605976 Wrote: Now that's a clever attempt to make a valid

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 2.0

2011-01-26 Thread soundcheck
magiccarpetride;605303 Wrote: Thanks again, Klaus. So now with all these mods, is it true that the only unconquered territory on the Touch is the fact that the screen, even though disabled, is still operating in the 'touch sensitive' mode? How do you know? I guess you didn't follow my

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 2.0

2011-01-26 Thread soundcheck
Gazjam;605327 Wrote: Thanks for that Klaus... ANOTHER case of RTFM..I didnt do a factory reset first. Sorry! *EDIT* After FActory Reset all is installed as it should be. Thanks Klaus. Thanks. What you're saying is you confirm 100% compatibility of TT2.0 on Touch Firmware 7.5.3. ?

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 2.0

2011-01-26 Thread Gazjam
soundcheck;605482 Wrote: What you're saying is you confirm 100% compatibility of TT2.0 on Touch Firmware 7.5.3. ? Cheers EXACTLY RIGHT! :) TTstat shows everything enabled. ttvol100 works fine too. -- Gazjam

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 2.0

2011-01-26 Thread Gazjam
Hi Magiccarpetride... a couple of points if I may? You said: magiccarpetride;605405 Wrote: But isn't 'listener own brain' part of what you've labeled here 'objective reality'? Listener own brain surely is different for everyone...? We each hear differently and surely we cant tell someone

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 2.0

2011-01-26 Thread Gazjam
soundcheck;605472 Wrote: For now I'd say concentrate on the HW. You can expect similar jumps on that side. Key areas are the network and the SPDIF link. And not to forget the power supply of course. I heard my Touch set up with a good linear supply and to my ears there was a worthwhile

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 2.0

2011-01-26 Thread praganj
Gazjam;605492 Wrote: I heard my Touch set up with a good linear supply and to my ears there was a worthwhile improvement. Works for me! You should not write that with a better power supply Touch sounds better :) They are some people here, which never heard any difference with a better ps,

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 2.0

2011-01-26 Thread Gazjam
praganj;605505 Wrote: You should not write that with a better power supply Touch sounds better :) They are some people here, which never heard any difference with a better ps, SW mods, no wlan etc, etc, and this is all your imagination :) Are you trying to pick a fight? Keep it light

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 2.0

2011-01-26 Thread Ali Tait
praganj;605505 Wrote: You should not write that with a better power supply Touch sounds better :) They are some people here, which never heard any difference with a better ps, SW mods, no wlan etc, etc, and this is all your imagination :) Well if it's his imagination, it's mine too! I

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 2.0

2011-01-26 Thread Gazjam
Definately WASN'T my imagination -- Gazjam Gazjam's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=18604 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84742

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 2.0

2011-01-26 Thread Phil Leigh
soundcheck;605472 Wrote: ... I have the great advantage that I'm probably the only non-biased person around here... Hmmm... -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal... Touch(wired/XP) - TACT 2.2X (Linear PSU) + Good

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 2.0

2011-01-26 Thread guidof
soundcheck;605482 Wrote: What you're saying is you confirm 100% compatibility of TT2.0 on Touch Firmware 7.5.3. ? Cheers I have re-installed TT2.0 (except for disabling WLAN) after updating SBS to 7.5.3 and can also confirm that TT2.0 is compatible with this updated firmware. Guido F.

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 2.0

2011-01-26 Thread magiccarpetride
Peace out, Gaz! (cool reply, btw:) Gazjam;605491 Wrote: Listener own brain surely is different for everyone...? We each hear differently and surely we cant tell someone else what they are hearing? No doubt. Not sure how this happened, but while I was defending my own right to have different

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 2.0

2011-01-26 Thread Gazjam
cool level headed reply. Kudos. Lets agree thats its ok to agree to disagree and move on. :) Oh, regarding sexual relations...? ask any woman, she'll be quick to do some measurements! (not mine though...ahem):) -- Gazjam

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 2.0

2011-01-26 Thread Phil Leigh
magiccarpetride;605603 Wrote: ...Measuring instruments have nothing on human ability to experience the world around us. (I'm talking about things that pertain to our senses) Humans interpret, measuring instruments don't interpret, they only measure. It's down to humans to decide how to

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 2.0

2011-01-25 Thread Phil Leigh
Gazjam;605149 Wrote: Uhm... I'll just run Erlands patch. ta. Or Peterw's?... or go to 7.6 -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal... Touch(wired/XP) - TACT 2.2X (Linear PSU) + Good Vibrations S/W - MF

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 2.0

2011-01-25 Thread soundcheck
Gazjam;605149 Wrote: Uhm... I'll just run Erlands patch. ta. The patch has been download a couple of hundred times. It should work. You can run e.g.: which ttvol100 to see if the file is there. In one case it happened that tar archives got corrupted. In such a case you just download and

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 2.0

2011-01-25 Thread Gazjam
soundcheck;605158 Wrote: The patch has been download a couple of hundred times. It should work. You can run e.g.: which ttvol100 to see if the file is there. In one case it happened that tar archives got corrupted. In such a case you just download and reinstall it again. Make sure

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 2.0

2011-01-25 Thread Phil Leigh
Gazjam;605173 Wrote: Is 7.6 is a stable enough state Phil, as its still beta? ta. well, it all depends. I've been running it for many months now without any serious or persistent issues. But... I have a vanilla setup with few plugins, XP (SP3) flac+mp3 only. 7.6 certainly performs faster for

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 2.0

2011-01-25 Thread Gazjam
Phil Leigh;605177 Wrote: well, it all depends. I've been running it for many months now without any serious or persistent issues. But... I have a vanilla setup with few plugins, XP (SP3) flac+mp3 only. 7.6 certainly performs faster for me on scans and in general browsing (I use the web ui

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