by
what criteria are you analyzing the issue*, below; also, this issue
relative to the covenants which comprise the OT?
*e.g., acc to
slade, there are opinions as to whethr Abe was awake or asleep in the process of
establshg a covenant w/ Abe's descendants (Gen 15)
On Sun, 21 Nov 200
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In a message dated 11/21/2004 7:10:10
PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Et al :
Beginning with post Eden civilization, there existed standards of
conduct that God expected of man (other than those related to Jewish
history) . Cain
In a message dated 11/21/2004 7:49:33 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
John S. wrote:
>Do we claim that the nations of Old Scripture times except
>the Jews had no relationship with God, deserted by their creator
>or, at best, ignored?
No, we should not claim any such thing. R
In a message dated 11/21/2004 7:45:32 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
John S. wrote:
>... but Ruben and pals are no so gracious
Careful about libel, John. I respond to this because Ruben has been a past
participant on this list. I have never heard of Ruben ever punching an
John S. wrote:
Do we claim that the nations of Old Scripture times except
the Jews had no relationship with God, deserted by their creator
or, at best, ignored?
No, we should not claim any such thing. Read Daniel and Isaiah.
Nebuchadnezzar and Cyrus were Gentiles, and Cyrus was even called God's
In a message dated 11/21/2004 7:10:10 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Et al :
Beginning with post Eden civilization, there existed standards of conduct that God expected of man (other than those related to Jewish history) . Cain was fearful of civilizations not defined in
In a message dated 11/21/2004 7:08:57 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Well, you are on record as calling it the Abrahamic covenant. :-)
If your wife was talking to someone about her marriage to you, and she
characterized it as her marriage to you, would you appreciate it if
John S. wrote:
... but Ruben and pals are no so gracious
Careful about libel, John. I respond to this because Ruben has been a past
participant on this list. I have never heard of Ruben ever punching anyone.
He was the victim once, but not the assailant. In that case, he turned the
other chee
In a message dated 11/21/2004 7:08:21 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Sign a petition to kick the United Nations out of America: www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=41573
I think itâs a great idea. Izzy
Waste of time. But not a bad idea.
Jd
In a message dated 11/21/2004 6:59:55 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
In a message dated 11/21/2004 8:50:12 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Cain was fearful of civilizations not defined in the biblical message except to indicate that they were present in
In a message dated 11/21/2004 6:59:38 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
LOL. Read a little more carefully. I never said your responses are too long. I said you didn't trim the old material out of your posts making your post (not your response) too long. You will answer a long
In a message dated 11/21/2004 6:58:02 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I can vouch for that. We had the privilege of spending a short time with David and Caroline and not one punch was thrown by anyone. He is a sweet spirited, mild mannered, generous man who loves the Lord.
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Terry Clifton
Sent: Sunday, November 21, 2004
7:51 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Two
Covenants
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
In a message
dated 11/21/2004 1:53:33 PM Pacific Standard Time, [E
In a message dated 11/21/2004 6:56:56 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
John S. wrote:
>Why don't you ask him why he terminated the
>discussion
I don't ask him why because that would change the subject. I'm still here
awaiting his reply. If he leaves the discussion, the reas
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Et al :
Beginning with post Eden civilization, there existed standards of
conduct that God expected of man (other than those related to Jewish
history) . Cain was fearful of civilizations not defined in the
biblical message except to indicate that they were prese
John S. wrote:
Don't you mean "in God's covenant with him (Abraham)?"
Well, you are on record as calling it the Abrahamic covenant. :-)
If your wife was talking to someone about her marriage to you, and she
characterized it as her marriage to you, would you appreciate it if someone
corrected her
Sign a petition to kick the United Nations
out of America:
www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=41573
I think it’s a great idea.
Izzy
In a message dated 11/21/2004 8:50:12 PM Central Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Cain was
fearful of civilizations not defined in the biblical message except to
indicate that they were present in his time. A mark or sign
was given to Cain to protect him
I think it would b
John S. wrote:
> I am
confused. First my responses are too long
> and now they are too short.
LOL. Read a little more carefully. I never said your
responses are too long. I said you didn't trim the old material out of
your posts making your post (not your response) too long. You
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In a message dated 11/21/2004 1:53:33
PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
By the way, Slade. Considering that you are only a few hours from
here,
would you be interested in getting together to talk face to face about
these
passages? I could bri
John S. wrote:
Why don't you ask him why he terminated the
discussion
I don't ask him why because that would change the subject. I'm still here
awaiting his reply. If he leaves the discussion, the reason is clear. He
does not have an answer. I have hope that Jeff will return. Slade and I
ar
Slade wrote:
While you look hard for a situation where we are dead
to the [whole] law, I have no such agenda. In fact, my
agenda is opposite. (Yes. I have a bias to keep from
nullifying Torah because Yeshua said that's what He
was all about.)
I clearly have no agenda to look hard for a situation wh
Et al :
Beginning with post Eden civilization, there existed standards of conduct that God expected of man (other than those related to Jewish history) . Cain was fearful of civilizations not defined in the biblical message except to indicate that they were present in his time. A mark or si
In a message dated 11/21/2004 9:54:54 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
John,
you do realize that this quote is from David Miller, right?
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, November 21, 2004 12:19
Subject: Re: [TruthTa
In a message dated 11/21/2004 1:42:48 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I did not argue the point. I did accept what Jonathan said at face value,
as evidenced by my asking for details. If I was arguing the point, I would
have told him that you have changed for the worse or no
In a message dated 11/21/2004 1:23:11 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Let me ask you a simple question. Was Abraham an active participant or a
passive participant in his covenant with Yahweh? I would like to hear
Slade, Jonathan H., John S., and Lance also answer this, and
In a message dated 11/21/2004 1:29:02 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I have been attempting to limit my responses to you, but I do not limit my
responses to others because others tell me they prefer the longer
explanations.
Appreciated. Keep those itty-bitty posts coming
In a message dated 11/21/2004 1:29:02 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I generally do not like short responses that you and Lance
make because they are so ambiguous and can be understood many different
ways.
I am confused. First my responses are too long and now they are
In a message dated 11/21/2004 1:36:54 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
John S. wrote:
>Once again, you have failed to continue a descussion,
>preferring, instead, to assert your view of your self as
>a backdrop for further and continued monologue.
No, he decided to stop discuss
In a message dated 11/21/2004 1:53:33 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
By the way, Slade. Considering that you are only a few hours from here,
would you be interested in getting together to talk face to face about these
passages? I could bring a few brothers in Christ and y
-Original Message-
Now,as to the matter of persons 'get(ting) it': is it possible that the ONLY
ones who 'get it' are those ones who DO IT?
I think that is
the most astute theological statement you have ever made, Lance. Iz
DAVE In the second paragraph above, you say "Torah concerning the
husband, who is sin and death." I have problems with what you are trying to
do here. In the previous sentence where Paul says, "she is free from the
law" and you define law here as "Torah concerning the husband," does this
Torah
Judy Taylor said:
the 'angel of His Presence' (the pre-incarnate Christ).
Slade asks two
questions: Why do you assume the Angel of His Presence is the
Pre-incarnate Christ? In your thoughts, is the Angel
of the Presence the same as the Angel of the
LORD?
--
slade
From: "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Bill wrote: I see
from the responses made by some of the other members that in the context of
Gen 15 the qualities of this term are not that difficult to grasp -- or
erroneous once you have.
DavidM: I don't think I have any difficulty grasping
th
Slade wrote:
Or do you not know, brethren (for I am speaking to those
who know the law [Torah]), that the law [Torah] has jurisdiction
over a person as long as he lives? For the married woman is
bound by law [Torah] to her husband while he is living; but if
her husband dies, she is released from th
David Miller wrote:
By the way, exactly how has John been changed by
Bill and Lance? What was the problem before he met
them, and what is the change in him now that he
has intimately come to know them?
John S. wrote:
David, I think Jon's assessment of Smithson's change should
be accepted at face
David Miller wrote:
Of course you know that I have read not only
the context, but the entire Bible.
John S. wrote:
What is this supposed to mean to the rest of us who
have equal familiarity with the biblical message?
It means that you don't need all the cut and paste verbiage about context
either.
John S. wrote:
How many times have I asked of you to narrow
your responses to my posts? Including the entire
post as a reference is not the problem, as I see it.
It is the involvement of the response.
We have opposite viewpoints here, John. I hate reading again posts that I
had read before. On
Bill wrote:
I see from the responses made by some of the other members
that in the context of Gen 15 the qualities of this term are not
that difficult to grasp -- or erroneous once you have.
I don't think I have any difficulty grasping the concept. We have all been
spoon fed this doctrine for yea
In a message dated 11/20/2004 5:50:10 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Jonathan wrote:
>John is an excellent example of this. He has come to know
>Lance and Bill by being changed by them. This involves a
>great deal of intimacy that the scientific method lacks.
By the way, e
John,
you do realize that this quote is from David Miller,
right?
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From:
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To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, November 21, 2004
12:19
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Two
Covenants
In a message dated 11/20/2004 6:38:16 PM
Pa
In a message dated 11/20/2004 5:59:51 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Hi Jeff,
If you ever felt it to be appropriate I would like to hear the story of your wife.
JBH
Ditto
John
In a message dated 11/20/2004 6:38:16 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Of course you know that I have
>read not only the context, but the entire Bible.
What is this supposed to mean to the rest of us who have equal familiarity with the biblical message? And what does this ha
In a message dated 11/20/2004 5:10:12 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Perry
and I both have desired people to quote only portions of people's posts, as
you see I do by example. Few pay any heed to such instruction. Your posts
especially almost always contain the entire pre
I have already pulled on my hair several times while
on this forum. But, I stop myself from responding at
times. I go on and read other messages and go back to
the message that disturbed me so much. I reread it.
Then I reread it again. This way I can know that I am
hearing the person the way they w
Judy Taylor wrote:
On Behalf Of Slade Henson
Perhaps the
significance of "walking thorugh the pieces" needs to be understood,
and the consequence is rather disturbing.
I couldn't see how it was Jesus who passed
through the pieces - I needed something more and I fo
- Original Message -
From:
Judy
Taylor
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, November 20, 2004 4:33
PM
Subject: [TruthTalk] Tearing Down?
Bill wrote: "And it came about when the sun had set, that it was very
dark, and behold, there appeared a smok
David writes > So while you might find something interesting in this Gen.
15 passage, how can it possibly justify the term "unilateral covenant."?
I see from the responses made by some of the other members that in the
context of Gen 15 the qualities of this term are not that difficult to
grasp -
Or do you not know, brethren (for I am speaking to those who
know the law [Torah]), that the law [Torah] has jurisdiction over a person as long as he lives?
For the married woman is bound by law [Torah] to her
husband while he is living; but if her husband dies, she is released from the
law
Jeff wrote:
... as I said before, it allows one to make any passage
of Scripture say what ever is in that persons personal
agenda.
David Miller wrote:
You are doing the very thing you warn against. ...
Jeff wrote:
In this instance, NO. I pulled verses from throughout the letter
to the Romans, showi
For the record:I do believe that post originated with David Miller. It did
not originate with Lance Muir.
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From:
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To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: November 21, 2004 07:50
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Tearing
Down
In a message
In a message dated 11/21/2004 4:40:18 AM Central Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
For the
record, Perry had complained to me how people ignored his posts of>
instruction and he did not know what to do to get people to comply.
Perry> and I both have desired people to quote onl
On Behalf Of Slade
HensonPerhaps the
significance of "walking thorugh the pieces" needs to be understood, and the
consequence is rather disturbing.
jt: Thank you Slade and Bill - I did some homework on
"walking through the pieces" - (Why do yo call the consequence rather
disturbing Sl
I concur as to Judy's 'godliness'. I concur as to her 'rule following'. Now,
as to the matter of persons 'get(ting) it': is it possible that the ONLY
ones who 'get it' are those ones who DO IT? Of course we would be needful of
some defining by David on 'get' and on 'it'.(no silly (w)talk here).
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