On Wed, 18 Jan 2006 06:48:02 + [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Actually, Judy, Bill is just quoting scripture.
He is quoting those he needs to confirm a
biological construct which in his mind and yours somehow
justifies this old windbag er wineskin.
However, if you and he
I find it amusing how you fellows pat yourselves on the
back and call each other Bishop and Professor
Yet you JD trashed the doctrine Lance holds so dear to
his heart just yesterday. Obviously there is no unity
of purpose between you and you are from different
cultures ... To me it appears t
On Tue, 17 Jan 2006 21:15:53 -0700 "Taylor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
It is really sad that
Bill says I can't be saved unless I accept his kind of orthodoxy.
No, Bill is using the Bible to correct you, and
to exhort you to change your mind, Judy.
You don't have
Amen to this, Professor
jd
-- Original message -- From: "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Dean, IMO, intends this more favorably than I would. There is a 'cat and mouse' style noticeable within SOME of David's posts. Even in this most central of discussions on WH
Actually, Judy, Bill is just quoting scripture. Why don't you figure it out instead of ignoring the scripture he has put forth? If you can't or won't, change your belief to include the redeeming truth that IN CHRIST is the reconcilation of all things.
In the past, Bill has placed scriptur
I could. He did not have David's blood and it is not David's blood that cleanses anyones conscience from
dead works to serve the living God. His was the blood of the eternal covenant. It is supernatural from beginning to end and this is why it will never lose it's power. (Judy's words, jd's
John writes:
It is you who says He is not God in the flesh. It is you who teaches that He was only a similar man.
Judy , forgetting her own words, even her own beliefs, makes this demand ---
Show me JD, in my words please?
So John abliges
Like us is "similitude" Bill - it does
An excellent set of propositions , Bill. W truly excellent post.
jd
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Correction below in bold.
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From: Taylor
It is really sad that Bill says I can't be saved unless I accept
"I, Jesus, have sent My angel to testify to you these things in
the churches. I am the Root and the Offspring of David, the
Bright and Morning Star." -- Rev 22.16
I am adopted. And I love the dad who raised me very much. I
consider him to be my father -- but I know that I am not his offsprin
Correction below in
bold.
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From:
Taylor
It is really sad that Bill says I can't be saved
unless I accept his kind of orthodoxy.
No, Bill is using the Bible to correct you, and to exhort you to
change your mind, Judy. You want to spirit
Correction below in
bold.
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From:
Taylor
It is really sad that Bill says I can't be saved
unless I accept his kind of orthodoxy.
No, Bill is using the Bible to correct you, and to exhort you to
change your mind, Judy. You want to spiritu
CD > I wrote a statement of
Mary/Christ seed before I read yours Bill.
Yes, Dean, I read it, and I am familiar with
it; in fact I know it well, having been raised in it. But I know now
that it is inadequate to express the magnitude of Christ. Please just pray
about what I am presenting a
It is really sad that Bill says I can't be saved unless
I accept his kind of orthodoxy.
No, Bill is using the Bible to correct you, and to exhort you to
change your mind, Judy. You want to spiritualize the Seed doctrine, when the
Scriptures tell you that Jesus is the Seed of David according
If Christ is less than fully human, He is something other than human.. You have denied His humanity, affirming only His similarity to being a man (human) . You have no scripture for such, only JudyLogic - thinking that man is so totally depraved, God cannot and could not be a aprt of a huma
Soo, Dean, you believe in a pre-existence after all, at least for
Jesus Christ. What about the rest of us, do you think we were there too,
looking on , wide-eyed and open mouthed at what was taking place? What
about this part of your quote?:
:Pro 8:31 Rejoicing in the habitable part of
In a message dated 1/17/2006 8:23:02 A.M. Mountain Standard Time,
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Don't hold your breath. I'm also checking for the
Bat signal should WW be unavailable.
Ha! Good oner, Lancer.
Blainer
On Tue, 17 Jan 2006 23:51:56 + [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Bring down? Me saying that He is God in carnate? Surely
you jest !!
admitting the plain truth of scripture, that He was a man in every respect such as I
?
He looked as you do "YET WAS WITHOUT SIN" and this i
SO?
His is the line God chose for His Promise to come
through; everyone was a child of the fall.
Possibly Seth wasn't quite so fallen, I don't know; but
I understand why it was not Cain.
On Tue, 17 Jan 2006 23:53:28 + [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
And Seth is a child of the fall.
Fr
Oh!
In that case then you would be coming in and telling
Dean - Hey! there is a Word outside .
and it sounds like it might come from heaven
"fully human" Give me a break JD. ROFL
On Wed, 18 Jan 2006 00:02:30 + [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Dean -- if I came into the house
Dean -- if I came into the house and told said, Dean !!! There's a thing outside.
And Dean says. "A thing" ? What are you talking about.
Well, I don't know -- its its not fully human, I can tell you that much !!
Get the point? If you are not fully human , you are something o
And Seth is a child of the fall.
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Bill, God called Israel his firstborn son also - now whose sperma was that? Oh I guess you are going to tell me
Isaac. But Ishmael was also a biological son of Abraham.
Bring down? Me saying that He is God in carnate? Surely you jest !!
admitting the plain truth of scripture, that He was a man in every respect such as I ?
It is you who says He is not God in the flesh. It is you who teaches that He was only a similar man.
You criticize me and in so
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From:
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Sent: 1/17/2006 2:55:06 PM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The rationality of "God" -- nonsense
I am in the office for only a few minutes. See my comments below.
cd: See Below.
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On Tue, 17 Jan 2006 19:28:47 + [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I can change while living under the Old Law, Judy -
No you can not JD; a leopard can not change it's
spots; your old nasty nature will still be the same.
a law, by the way which is complete with sin offerings -
Thanks for your input Dean;
I have no problem with Jesus having a human flesh
body... but I have a "huge" insurmountable problem
with the idea that Mary's child, the one called by the
angel "the holy pure sinless offspring" born of her
and called the Son of God" (Luke 1:36 Amp)
ATST had a "
Thank you Dean,
It is really sad that Bill says I can't be saved unless
I accept his kind of orthodoxy.
You know God juxtaposes the two kinds of seed in
Genesis 3:15. I wonder whose loins the seed
of the adversary came
through, according to Bill.
On Tue, 17 Jan 2006 08:42:57 -0500 "Dean Moo
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I can change while living under the Old Law, Judy - a law, by the way which is complete with sin offerings -- both deliberate and sins of ignorance. I don't need Christ for forgivenss and direction, I have the law.
I am in the office for only a few minutes. See my comments below.
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Sent: 1/16/2006 10:21:29 PM
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I can change while living under the Old Law, Judy - a law, by the way which is complete with sin offerings -- both deliberate and sins of ignorance. I don't Christ for forgivenss and direction. I have the law.
So tell me -- what advantage is there in Christianity. I am starting to thi
Don't hold your breath. I'm also checking for the
Bat signal should WW be unavailable.
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From: Taylor
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: 1/17/2006 8:40:32 AM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Jesus , neither God nor Man
All of that is fine and dandy, Dean. Do you misunderstand me when I say Jesus is divine, which means Jesus is God?
Bill
cd: Do w
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From: Taylor
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Sent: 1/17/2006 8:09:31 AM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] TT's ??
These are great passages, Dean; they speak to his divinity, his being God. Ours has been a discussion of his humanity, his being human. To reject one
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From: Taylor
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: 1/17/2006 7:54:17 AM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Jesus , neither God nor Man
And David is a direct descendant of Eve, is he not? Thus the Seed promised to Eve passed through Abraham, through David, and to Ch
All of that is fine and dandy, Dean. Do you
misunderstand me when I say Jesus is divine, which means Jesus is
God?
Bill
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From:
Dean
Moore
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2006 6:33
AM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Jes
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From: Judy Taylor
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: 1/17/2006 7:49:49 AM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Jesus , neither God nor Man
Noone is saying that Jesus did not have a flesh body from his birth on - Not here anyway; so
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From: Taylor
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: 1/17/2006 7:40:41 AM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Jesus , neither God nor Man
and in that he was unlike us, as we do not have a divine nature,
cd: Here is where we differ- If we have the indwelling spirit
I would either stop alluding to the "sperma" or explain
how the Holy Spirit and procreation fathered him all
at the same time.
And I would stop trying to spiritualize away what you refuse to
understand. It is not "spiritual seed," which is in view hear; it is "the Seed
of David, according
These are great passages, Dean; they speak to his
divinity, his being God. Ours has been a discussion of his humanity, his being
human. To reject one or the other is to reject him.
Bill
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From:
Dean
Moore
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: T
Let's see if DM is as cavalier as you are on this
matter, Judy. The cost to him in mocking 'orthodoxy' would be much greater than
to you. Hels doing his own 'perichoretic dance' you might say. In his case he's
'dancing', as you like to put it, with himself. He won't commit. At least one
must
From you, Judy.
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From:
Judy
Taylor
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2006 5:45
AM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Jesus , neither
God nor Man
Noone is saying that Jesus did not h
The SEED promised to Eve passed through Seth, as
well, Judy. Check it out.
Bill
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From:
Judy
Taylor
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2006 5:41
AM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Jesus
cd: Maybe to better understand Christ in the flesh-Maybe we should focus on what He was before the Flesh? For that I offer Proverbs 8:22-36
Pro 8:22 The LORD possessed me in the beginning of his way, before his works of old.
Pro 8:23 I was set up from everlasting, from the beginning, or ever
Wait till he comes out of withdrawal - that's when the
knockout comes Lance
On Tue, 17 Jan 2006 07:11:39 -0500 "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Dean, IMO, intends this more favorably than I
would. There is a 'cat and mouse' style noticeable within SOME of David's
posts. Even
Asked and answered on numerous occasions, Judy. You
already know that.
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From:
Judy
Taylor
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: January 17, 2006 07:32
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Jesus , neither
God nor Man
No, Judy. It is called trampling underfoot the Lord
who redeemed you.
Bill
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From:
Judy
Taylor
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2006 5:52
AM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Jesus , ne
And David is a direct descendant of Eve, is he not?
Thus the Seed promised to Eve passed through Abraham, through David, and to
Christ, through the woman, Mary. You are rejecting MUCH when you reject this.
If they care about Judy's salvation, it is time to
start hearing from the Street Pr
He died so that you could change and be part of
a New Creation in Him JD
If you are so proud of your old nasty sinner
self then it's all yours but it won't go to heaven
On Tue, 17 Jan 2006 07:52:14 + [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Judy versus the Bible:
Really? This i
Noone is saying that Jesus did not have a flesh body
from his birth on - Not here anyway; so where do you get this?
On Mon, 16 Jan 2006 23:13:43 -0700 "Taylor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
"And every spirit that does not confess that Jesus Christ has
come in the flesh is not of God. A
The devil's seed is a spiritual seed and so is
the seed of the woman which is born by way of the
Holy Spirit. Why is there such a big
brouhaha over this? Oh I forgot "Orthodoxy"
On Tue, 17 Jan 2006 06:24:40 -0500 "Dean Moore" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
writes:
From: Judy Taylor
To:
Bill, God called Israel his firstborn son also - now
whose sperma was that? Oh I guess you are going to tell me
Isaac. But Ishmael was also a biological son of
Abraham. Don't you understand about spiritual seed at all?
Same with Adam; he had many sons but Seth is the one
who carried the sp
You try to bring the Lord Jesus Christ
down to your level JD, rather than allow God to conform
you
to His Image as you work out your own salvation
with fear and trembling. It's just easier if He does it
all
Right? No sweat!!!
On Tue, 17 Jan 2006 07:29:38 + [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I am not alluding to the Holy Spirit when
referencing the sperma of David. That came through Mary's side of the
family.
Bill
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From:
Judy
Taylor
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 20
Joh 8:23 And he said unto them, Ye are from beneath; I amIfrom above: ye are of this world; I am not of this world.
Adam Clark wrote:
Joh 8:23 -
Ye are from beneath - Ye are capable of murder, and of self-murder too, because ye have nothing of God in you. Ye are altogether earthly, sensual
The Holy Spirit is God; you, even with the Holy
Spirit's indwelling, are not!
Bill
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From:
Judy
Taylor
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2006 5:32
AM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Je
I could. He did not have David's blood and it is not
David's blood that cleanses anyones conscience from
dead works to serve the living God. His was the
blood of the eternal covenant. It is supernatural from
beginning to end and this is why it will never lose
it's power.
On Mon, 16 Jan 20
I was not implying anything like that. Is He God
or isn't He?
On Mon, 16 Jan 2006 22:40:03 -0700 "Taylor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Judy, you are not the Holy Spirit.
Bill
From: Judy Taylor
What do you think the Holy Spirit is Bill?
You don't understand Him
Mary might be David's lineage but she doesn't have
loins does she? However, he was to be the seed of the
woman - the other scriptures are good.
Thanks.
On Mon, 16 Jan 2006 22:14:37 -0700 "Taylor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Are you saying, Judy, that Mary is not of David's
lineage? Yo
and in that he was unlike us, as we do not have a divine
nature,
cd: Here is where we differ- If we have the
indwelling spirit guiding us and we allow the bit in our mouths-we will do and
think divine thoughts-because of that Spirit.
The Holy Spirit indwelling us
does not make us God in
Jesus is the seed of the woman as the prophecy in
Genesis foretells. He was fathered by the Holy Spirit
Now if you want to say that the Holy Spirit is the
"sperma" of David; I know that prophetically he is called
the son of David but David Himself also called him Lord
ie: "The Lord said to m
Dean, IMO, intends this more favorably than I
would. There is a 'cat and mouse' style noticeable within SOME of David's posts.
Even in this most central of discussions on WHO JESUS IS, he comments then
withdraws. When asked point blank to offer a few paragraphs outlining his
position, with s
I am a son of God by way of my adoption in Christ. I do feel a
kinship to him, as he is my Kinsmen Redeemer -- on Mary's side of the family
:>)
Bill
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Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2006 12:32
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Sent: 1/16/2006 10:21:29 PM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The rationality of "God" -- nonsense
Dean, don't get too excited , here.
cd: I admit to being slightly excited but a long way from ove
See Irenaeus & Athanasius 'The unassumed is
unhealed' If (wo)men are to be fully saved, Christ would have to be FULLY
HUMAN.
IMO, if He were not fully human then we are yet in
our sins. This is who Jesus is.
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Here's another fine mess you gotten me into,
Ollie
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cd: John I don't believe any of this. NO sickness as he cured all manner of sickness,no depression as to Have the Holy Spirit without measure brings great joy,Godly anger yes, God sadness at Jerusalem yes, Impatience,no as he teaches us patience by the things He endured, The wine was a good idea
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From: Judy Taylor
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: 1/16/2006 9:13:51 PM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] love and trinity THE HUMANITY OF CHRIST IS NOT DIVINE
Excellent points Dean
And you are not trying to cut Him up into d
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From: Judy Taylor
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: 1/16/2006 9:08:39 PM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Jesus , neither God nor Man
From: Taylor
Luke writes that Jesus was born of the fruit of David's genitals (Act 2.30):
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From: Taylor
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: 1/16/2006 8:37:00 PM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Jesus , neither God nor Man
cd: Jd would you say Christ was the same as common man?
It's Bill, but I would say that Christ's human nature was the same as c
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