Kevin wrote:
> It says the Scripture PREACHED to Abraham.
> You try to place this into New Testament times.
No, I place it in Old Testament times, after Abraham, at the time of
Moses.
Kevin wrote:
> The Scripture PREACHED, The Scripture forsaw
> This was not AFTER Abraham departed, it was
> t
This discussion reminds me of the time about six or seven years ago
that I sat down and did a chart on the years covered by the early
patriarchs from Adam down through Noah down to Abraham. I found that Adam
and Seth died while Noah's father was alive, and Noah died when Abraham
was fifty-two
DavidM says This Scripture was written by Moses at mount Sinai, after Abraham had departed this earth.
Gal 3:8 And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed.
It says the Scrip
Kevin wrote:
> Gal 3:8 And the scripture, foreseeing that
> God would justify the heathen through faith,
> preached before the gospel unto Abraham,
> saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed.
>
> What was this scripture,
Genesis 22:18.
And the angel of the LORD called unto Abraham OUT OF
>Judy wrote: The Word of God came to Abraham in Ur of the Chaldees>DavidM Not through Scripture.
Gal 3:8 And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed.
What was this scripture, h
We seem to have a problem with definitions. Scripture is God's WRITTEN
word. Are you using the word Scripture with this definition?
Judy wrote:
> The Word of God was in the garden with Adam
> and Eve, they had one verse to obey "don't
> eat from the tree in the middle of the garden"
The Word
Judy wrote:
> I still don't comprehend how you have reached
> your conclusion ie: that the Bible is not
> scripture and that scripture is more than the
> Bible.
Hi Judy.
I hope you were not offended by my statement. I will say that quoting
my statement only partially could lead to a statement
David Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Kevin wrote:We now know ... that the scriptures did exist before
Mount Sinai.No, we do not know that Kevin. You offered some passages
suggestingthat they indicate Scriptures speaking to Pharaoh and to
Abraham. Idon't see it that way. I don't kn
Thank you for sending this list David,
I still don't comprehend how you have reached your
conclusion ie: that the Bible is not scripture and that scripture is more than
the Bible. I think the same wisdom that applied to Israel in Deuteronomy 29
applies to us today also:
"The secret things
OK I see you change God's word to suit your theology
I did not know you were also a Greek authority, what translating commitees have you been part of?
The question is what scripture did Abraham & Pharaoh have?David Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Kevin wrote:> We now know ... that the scriptu
DavidM says Well, the Bible has several quotes from writings which we do not currently have in our Bible. This suggests that there are Scriptures beyond what is in our Bible.
Titus 1:12 One of themselves, even a prophet of their own, said, The Cretians are alway liars, evil beasts, slow bellies.
Kevin wrote:
> We now know ... that the scriptures did
> exist before Mount Sinai.
No, we do not know that Kevin. You offered some passages suggesting
that they indicate Scriptures speaking to Pharaoh and to Abraham. I
don't see it that way. I don't know how to discuss it with you, because
if
Judy wrote:
> The scriptures themselves are either a
> dead letter or a living epistle ...
It seems like you are putting me into the position of saying that
Scriptures do not minister life. That is not my intention. I'm trying
to draw a distinction between God's Word which comes from a living
p
We now know contrary to DAVEM's opinion, that the scriptures did exist before Mount Sinai. Judy Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
From: "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Kevin, you still don't seem to understand the difference
between "Scripture" and "the word of God." The word of
God is et
From: "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Kevin, you still don't seem to understand
the difference
between "Scripture" and "the word of
God." The word of
God is
eternal. Scripture is not. Scripture is the
written word, but the word of
God is the living word.
jt: The scriptures themsel
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Considering that the word of God is eternal they must have existed at all times.David Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Kevin wrote:> So we can safely assume that they did > not exist before Mount Sinai?I can only say tha
On Behalf Of Kevin Deegan
Sent: Saturday, March 13, 2004
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Considering that the word of God is eternal they must have existed at
all times.
David Miller
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Kevin wrote:
> So
the pentateuch would have been the first time it was recorded (provided he indeed penned it) as far as I know. However, there has been law from the beginning. There was the law that Adam and Eve violated, then the laws of sacrifice that Cain violated, then the covenant laws with Noah (the Noahide law
regressed!) new covenants were entered and new law was given.Perry>From: Kevin Deegan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>>Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]>Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] reliability of the HOLY BIBLE>Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2004 13:02:44 -0800 (PST)>>Considering that
regressed!) new covenants were entered and new law was given.Perry>From: Kevin Deegan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>>Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]>Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] reliability of the HOLY BIBLE>Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2004 13:02:44 -0800 (PST)>>Considering that
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Considering that the word of God is eternal they must have existed at all
times.
David Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:Kevin wrote:
> S
Considering that the word of God is eternal they must have existed at all times.David Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Kevin wrote:> So we can safely assume that they did > not exist before Mount Sinai?I can only say that I am unaware of any Scriptures existing before thattime. I am not one to mak
Kevin wrote:
> So we can safely assume that they did
> not exist before Mount Sinai?
I can only say that I am unaware of any Scriptures existing before that
time. I am not one to make an assertion that Scripture did not exist
before Sinai, but if you want to make some kind of argument that assum
So we can safely assume that they did not exist before Mount Sinai?David Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Kevin wrote:> You contend that the "Scriptures" did not exist > until, exactly when???Scriptures came into existence on mount Sinai when Moses received thefirst of them written with God's
Kevin wrote:
> You contend that the "Scriptures" did not exist
> until, exactly when???
Scriptures came into existence on mount Sinai when Moses received the
first of them written with God's own finger. Later, we read about a
canon being compiled at the time of Ezra. History informs us that
Kevin Deegan wrote:
So now you are trying to understand what I believe too.
I am gonna have a seminar for you & DaveH
DAVEH: UNBELIEVABLE!!!:-D
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Kevin wrote:
> I am gonna have a seminar for you & DaveH
Alright! That's great! Thanks. I can't wait.
Wait a minute. A whole seminar just to tell us which KJV Bible you
consider inerrant in every jot and tittle? Something smells a little
fishy around here. :-)
Peace be with you.
David Mille
of YHVH
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From: Kevin Deegan
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DavidM says The problem here is that when you read in the Bible, "the Word" or "the Word of God," you automatically t
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DavidM says The problem here is that when you read in the Bible,
"the Word" or "the Word of God," you automatically think it is talking about
the Bible. Itis not. The B
For all you that are wondering:
I believe the HOLY BIBLE is
without error
Infallible
Perfect
(quick)ALIVE & Powerful
Kevin Deegan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Are you trying to help out here?
You know I am KJV all the way
The others come from the same corrupt mss that the New World Tx (JW)
Th
So now you are trying to understand what I believe too.
I am gonna have a seminar for you & DaveHDavid Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Kevin wrote:> Are you trying to help out here?> You know I am KJV all the wayI'm trying to understand what you believe. There are different kinds of KJV guys. Are
DavidM says The problem here is that when you read in the Bible, "the Word" or "the Word of God," you automatically think it is talking about the Bible. Itis not. The Bible did not even exist when these words were writtendown.
I said: How about the BIBLE word "scripture" for those fanatics out the
Kevin wrote:
> Are you trying to help out here?
> You know I am KJV all the way
I'm trying to understand what you believe.
There are different kinds of KJV guys. Are you 1611 KJV? Do you
believe that every jot and tittle of the 1611 KJV is God's perfect and
inerrant Word? Or do you believe t
Are you trying to help out here?
You know I am KJV all the way
The others come from the same corrupt mss that the New World Tx (JW)
That is why for instance the NIV is so in agreement with the NWTI believe the word of God is perfect, inerrant, and alive as the book says.
Every jot & title!
Da
Kevin wrote:
>> How many times do I have to say God was the
>> Author of all 66 books of the HOLY BIBLE
DAVEH:
> OK Kevin. If that is the most you are willing
> to say about it, I will quit pestering you.
So, Kevin, does this mean that you do not believe that the 1611 KJV is
the inerrant a
Kevin Deegan wrote:
The fact that you would even think such a thing as "too
inferior" is a sad commentary on Mormonism.
I find the LDS attitude of worthiness as repulsive. There is a
select crowd who are "worthy" to enter the temple. Many of the problems
of full disclosure of LDS beli
...am I right about that, Perry?)
> Paul is the most likely candidate, but there is no solid proof.
>
>
>> From: Dave
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>> Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2004
From: Dave <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] reliability of the HOLY BIBLE
Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2004 23:00:20 -0800
Charles Perry Locke wrote:
DaveH, no one conclusively knows who wrote Hebrews.
DAVEH: That has been prev
; Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]>> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]>> Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] reliability of the HOLY BIBLE>> Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2004 18:39:26 -0800>>>> DAVEH: Why do you go to such great lengths to avoid telling me who >> you think penned Hebrews, Kevin?&
The fact that you would even think such a thing as "too inferior" is a sad commentary on Mormonism. I find the LDS attitude of worthiness as repulsive. There is a select crowd who are "worthy" to enter the temple. Many of the problems of full disclosure of LDS beliefs stem from the idea of Gentiles
If I told my secretary to take a letter. I speak the words she writes them down. Who was the author?
The Word is Inspired & Presevered by GodGod is the Author of His Holy Bible.
Now the supposed transcription by scribes as JoE recieved words that magically appeared in a hat is NO PROBLEM for you?
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DAVEH: Why do you go to such great lengths to avoid telling me who
you think penned Hebrews, Kevin?
Kevin Deegan wrote:
Joseph Smith, Jr., /The Holy Scriptures, Translated and C
Kevin Deegan wrote:
Do you regard me as being too inferior (due to my LDS
beliefs) to carry on a respectful conversation with me?
That is for those thyat are WORTHY and have a Temple recommend.
Us Gentiles are not ready for and are not worthy to recieve the meat of
Mormonism.
DAVE
DaveH, no one conclusively knows who wrote Hebrews. Paul is the most likely
candidate, but there is no solid proof.
From: Dave <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] reliability of the HOLY BIBLE
Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2004 18:39:26 -0800
Do you regard me as being too inferior (due to my LDS beliefs) to carry on a respectful conversation with me?
That is for those thyat are WORTHY and have a Temple recommend. Us Gentiles are not ready for and are not worthy to recieve the meat of Mormonism.
How many times do I have to say God
Kevin Deegan wrote:
Try it real slow again...
God was the AUTHOR, the delivery was thru HOLY MEN of God.
DAVEH: Annd.I'll try it again..really
slooow...whoo d youuu thik
was th HOOOLY MN
DAVEH: Why do you go to such great lengths to avoid telling me who you
think penned Hebrews, Kevin?
Kevin Deegan wrote:
Joseph Smith, Jr., The Holy Scriptures, Translated and
Corrected by the Spirit of Revelation, by Joseph Smith, Jr. the Seer ...
Plano, Illinois: Published by the Churc
Try it real slow again...
God was the AUTHOR, the delivery was thru HOLY MEN of God.Dave <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Kevin Deegan wrote:
God is the Author, the delivery was thru HOLY MEN of God.DAVEH: Then who do you think penned Hebrews, Kevin? Is it my imagination, or are you trying to avoid an
Kevin Deegan wrote:
God is the Author, the delivery was thru HOLY MEN of God.
DAVEH: Then who do you think penned Hebrews, Kevin? Is it my
imagination, or are you trying to avoid answering? If so.why???
Is it not a reasonable question to ask?
God did not use a pervert to deliv
God is the Author, the delivery was thru HOLY MEN of God. God did not use a pervert to deliver His word.
I believe Judy answered this alsoDave <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Kevin Deegan wrote:
There is no defense of a book (BoM) that has been changed countless times.
The book has been tampered with
Joseph Smith, Jr., The Holy Scriptures, Translated and Corrected by the Spirit of Revelation, by Joseph Smith, Jr. the Seer ... Plano, Illinois: Published by the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints. Joseph Smith, I.L. Rogers, E. Robinson, Publishing Committee, 1867.
This version was severa
Kevin Deegan wrote:
There is no defense of a book (BoM) that has been changed
countless times.
The book has been tampered with, it has been cooked.
There are no extant copies of the source documents. No BoM
sites, NO BoM peoples names recorded in any history, places or
documents secula
There is no defense of a book (BoM) that has been changed countless times.
The book has been tampered with, it has been cooked.
There are no extant copies of the source documents. No BoM sites, NO BoM peoples names recorded in any history, places or documents secular or otherwise.
It was the invent
From: Dave <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
What I do find curious though is why you feel the Bible is inerrant,
when you apparently aren't even sure who penned parts of it. Who
do you think wrote Hebrews, Kevin? DavidM thought you might
possibly think Paul did so, but I would like to hear your thoug
Kevin Deegan wrote:
There exists more than 24,000 partial & complete manuscript
(mss) copies of the bible.
They are available for inspection.
The existing quotes (of portions of the New Testament) of the Bible
number over 86,000
These are found in letters and documents of the "church fa
There exists more than 24,000 partial & complete manuscript (mss) copies of the bible.They are available for inspection.The existing quotes (of portions of the New Testament) of the Bible number over 86,000These are found in letters and documents of the "church fathers" including several thousand
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