Re: [TruthTalk] Perry vs DaveH

2005-05-28 Thread David Miller
In regards to the Perry / Dave exchange, I would like to say that I greatly appreciate Dave's participation on TruthTalk. I have learned a lot about Mormonism because of his presence here. I have read dozens of books and studied numerous aspects of Mormonism because of his posts. I have appr

Re: [TruthTalk] Perry vs DaveH

2005-05-28 Thread Dave
DAVEH: Ouuch!!! What are you trying to do to me, DavidMstab me in the back? You are just feeding more fuel to fire Perry's argument :-D BTWWhat are you doing up so late? Don't you know it is going to make you miss Sunday School tomorrow! :-) Davi

Re: [TruthTalk] Perry vs DaveH

2005-05-29 Thread knpraise
Well, what do we learn here?  That David prefers Dave.  Sorry Perry - I did have to laugh a little at this one.  JD  -Original Message-From: David Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Sun, 29 May 2005 02:22:51 -0400Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Perry vs Dave

Re: [TruthTalk] Perry vs DaveH

2005-05-29 Thread Dave
ere?  That David prefers Dave.  Sorry Perry - I did have to laugh a little at this one.  JD    -Original Message- From: David Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Sun, 29 May 2005 02:22:51 -0400 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Perry vs DaveH In rega

Re: [TruthTalk] Perry vs DaveH

2005-05-29 Thread knpraise
--  but neither do I questioned Perry's.    JD -Original Message-From: Dave <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]innglory.orgSent: Sun, 29 May 2005 09:11:22 -0700Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Perry vs DaveH DAVEH:   Hmm...I've got a bit different perspective of

Re: [TruthTalk] Perry vs DaveH

2005-05-29 Thread David Miller
DAVEH: > Ouuch!!! What are you trying to do > to me, DavidMstab me in the back? You are > just feeding more fuel to fire Perry's argument > :-D Sorry about that Dave. I just wanted you to know that I appreciate the quotes from Mormon Scriptures and the time you take to ex

Re: [TruthTalk] Perry vs DaveH

2005-05-29 Thread Charles Perry Locke
ent: Sun, 29 May 2005 02:22:51 -0400 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Perry vs DaveH In regards to the Perry / Dave exchange, I would like to say that I greatly appreciate Dave's participation on TruthTalk. I have learned a lot about Mormonism because of his presence here. I have read dozens of books

Re: [TruthTalk] Perry vs DaveH

2005-05-29 Thread knpraise
I understand.   My remarks went more to syle than substnce.   I do think David is about to convert.   Jd  -Original Message-From: Charles Perry Locke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Sun, 29 May 2005 13:25:16 -0700Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Perry vs DaveH Ac

Re: [TruthTalk] Perry vs DaveH

2005-05-29 Thread Dave
DAVEH:   My reasons for posting my reply to Perry's private comments on TT was to show that there may be reason for both of us having the views we do without either of us needing to be shown to be lying.  As I now believe, I think Perry simply misunderstood something I posted some time ago, and

Re: [TruthTalk] Perry vs DaveH

2005-05-29 Thread Dave
DAVEH:  I appreciate your kind words, DavidM.   And, my pain was punctuated with a big old laughing smiley, so I really didn't think you were trying to draw blood while you had the knife plunged to the hilt.at least you weren't twisting it!   :-)     I hadn't planned on changing the way

RE: [TruthTalk] Perry vs DaveH

2005-05-29 Thread ShieldsFamily
I vote for (4) Get saved and talk about the REAL Jesus! J Izzy   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dave Sent: Sunday, May 29, 2005 4:24 PM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Perry vs DaveH   DAVEH:  I appreciate your kind

RE: [TruthTalk] Perry vs DaveH

2005-05-29 Thread ShieldsFamily
: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org >Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Perry vs DaveH >Date: Sun, 29 May 2005 08:08:32 -0400 > >Well, what do we learn here? That David prefers Dave. Sorry Perry - I did >have to laugh a little >at this one. >JD > >-Original Message- >From: David

RE: [TruthTalk] Perry vs DaveH

2005-05-29 Thread Charles Perry Locke
Izzy, Since I know others on TT have contributed, I intentionally used the indefinite "who... may not have otherwise given it a second thought" to exclude them. From: "ShieldsFamily" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org To: Subject: RE: [Trut

Re: [TruthTalk] Perry vs DaveH

2005-05-29 Thread Dave
DAVEH:  I appreciate your concern for my eternal welfare, Izzy.  Would it be OK with you if I first endure to the end before getting saved, as the Savior suggested? ShieldsFamily wrote: I vote for (4) Get saved and talk about the REAL Jesus! J Izzy   --

RE: [TruthTalk] Perry vs DaveH

2005-05-30 Thread ShieldsFamily
No.  You must endure to the end “in Christ”.  Enduring to the end in JSmith doesn’t cut it.  Sorry. Iz   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dave Sent: Sunday, May 29, 2005 11:36 PM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Perry vs DaveH

Re: [TruthTalk] Perry vs DaveH

2005-05-30 Thread Dave Hansen
DAVEH:    Do you suppose enduring to the end of TT would qualify!   ;-) ShieldsFamily wrote: No.  You must endure to the end “in Christ”.  Enduring to the end in JSmith doesn’t cut it.  Sorry. Iz   DAVEH:  I appreciate your concern for my eternal we

RE: [TruthTalk] Perry vs DaveH

2005-05-31 Thread ShieldsFamily
Only to condemn those who heard the truth but did not heed it. Iz From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dave HansenSent: Tuesday, May 31, 2005 12:19 AMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: Re: [TruthTalk] Perry vs DaveH DAVEH:    Do you suppose enduring to the

Re: [TruthTalk] Perry vs DaveH

2005-05-31 Thread Dave Hansen
DAVEH:   The problem as I see it, who is the arbiter of truth on TT, Izzy.  Is there anybody here you would say expounds nothing but truth? ShieldsFamily wrote: Only to condemn those who heard the truth but did not heed it. Iz DAVEH:    Do you suppose enduring to the end of T

RE: [TruthTalk] Perry vs DaveH

2005-05-31 Thread ShieldsFamily
@mail.innglory.orgSubject: Re: [TruthTalk] Perry vs DaveH DAVEH:   The problem as I see it, who is the arbiter of truth on TT, Izzy.  Is there anybody here you would say expounds nothing but truth?ShieldsFamily wrote: Only to condemn those who heard the truth but did not heed it. Iz DAVEH

Re: [TruthTalk] Perry vs DaveH

2005-05-31 Thread Blainerb473
I agree, Izzy, and by now you should know that the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints teaches enduring to the end IN CHRIST--only.  You have unfortunately fallen under the very bad influence of  those blind guides who teach the traditions and commandments of men, mixed with a few s

RE: [TruthTalk] Perry vs DaveH

2005-05-31 Thread ShieldsFamily
: Re: [TruthTalk] Perry vs DaveH   I agree, Izzy, and by now you should know that the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints teaches enduring to the end IN CHRIST--only.  You have unfortunately fallen under the very bad influence of  those blind guides who teach the traditions and

Re: [TruthTalk] Perry vs DaveH

2005-05-31 Thread Kevin Deegan
neither do they desire that she should rule over them. (BoM,  Mosiah 8:20-21)  Who is SHE? [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I agree, Izzy, and by now you should know that the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints teaches enduring to the end IN CHRIST--only.  You have unfortunately fallen under the

RE: [TruthTalk] Perry vs DaveH

2005-05-31 Thread Kevin Deegan
ghter. Joe tried it all, he was a PERVERT who liked little girls.    ShieldsFamily <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Please don’t quote B.M. to me.  It means nothing as it was written by a crafty, adulterous man named Joseph Smith.  Izzy   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED

Re: [TruthTalk] Perry vs DaveH

2005-05-31 Thread Charles Perry Locke
: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Perry vs DaveH Date: Tue, 31 May 2005 17:19:13 EDT I agree, Izzy, and by now you should know that the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints teaches enduring to the end IN CHRIST

Re: [TruthTalk] Perry vs DaveH

2005-05-31 Thread Blainerb473
In a message dated 5/31/2005 6:19:18 PM Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Please don’t quote B.M. to me.  It means nothing as it was written by a crafty, adulterous man named Joseph Smith.  Izzy  I won't!  (Not unless I see something that really is unsettling to all yo

Re: [TruthTalk] Perry vs DaveH

2005-05-31 Thread knpraise
Wasn't he and his brother short to death during a gun fight in some two story house  --  kinda of like Moses (?)    JD -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Wed, 1 Jun 2005 01:36:08 EDTSubject: Re: [TruthTalk] Perry vs DaveH

Re: [TruthTalk] Perry vs DaveH

2005-06-01 Thread Lance Muir
onstrate my point. Does this 'count'? - Original Message - From: "Charles Perry Locke" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: June 01, 2005 01:03 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Perry vs DaveH > Blaine, > >You have to have the right jesus, or it does not count. The bible is >

RE: [TruthTalk] Perry vs DaveH

2005-06-01 Thread ShieldsFamily
Satan is an imitator.  And a liar.  So was JS.  He never entered into The Kingdom for sure. Izzy   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2005 11:36 PM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Perry

Re: [TruthTalk] Perry vs DaveH

2005-06-01 Thread Charles Perry Locke
ly-To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org To: Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Perry vs DaveH Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2005 05:45:32 -0400 CPL:Jus how nuanced would you make this out to be vis a vis 'the right Jesus'? Would you acknowledge that David Miller's "Jesus' was not the Jesus of Bill Taylor

Re: [TruthTalk] Perry vs DaveH

2005-06-01 Thread Dave Hansen
DAVEH:  I'm not exactly sure of your question, Lance.But as I view it, the position of many TTers is analogous to the Jews of Bible times.  In the OT, Scripture gave them a perception of God to which the staunchly held.  So firm in their convictions (as are many TTers), they had trouble ack

Re: [TruthTalk] Perry vs DaveH

2005-06-01 Thread Kevin Deegan
id Miller's "Jesus' was not the Jesusof Bill Taylor? IMO this is so. Should you doubt this I could call BT 'upfrom the dead' to so demonstrate my point. Does this 'count'?- Original Message - From: "Charles Perry Locke" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: Se

RE: [TruthTalk] Perry vs DaveH

2005-06-01 Thread ShieldsFamily
Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Charles Perry Locke Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2005 7:04 AM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Perry vs DaveH Lance, we have a standard for determining the right Jesus and the right God. It is the Bible.

Re: [TruthTalk] Perry vs DaveH

2005-06-01 Thread Lance Muir
2005 10:06 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Perry vs DaveH DAVEH:  I'm not exactly sure of your question, Lance.But as I view it, the position of many TTers is analogous to the Jews of Bible times.  In the OT, Scripture gave them a perception of God to which the staunchly held.  So fir

RE: [TruthTalk] Perry vs DaveH

2005-06-01 Thread Kevin Deegan
[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2005 11:36 PMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: Re: [TruthTalk] Perry vs DaveH   In a message dated 5/31/2005 6:19:18 PM Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Please don’t quote B.M. to me.  It means nothing as it was written by a crafty, adul

RE: [TruthTalk] Perry vs DaveH

2005-06-01 Thread Kevin Deegan
il.innglory.orgSubject: Re: [TruthTalk] Perry vs DaveH   In a message dated 5/31/2005 6:19:18 PM Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Please don’t quote B.M. to me.  It means nothing as it was written by a crafty, adulterous man named Joseph Smith.  Izzy  I won't!  (Not unless I see some

Re: [TruthTalk] Perry vs DaveH

2005-06-01 Thread Dave Hansen
Talk@mail.innglory.org Sent: June 01, 2005 10:06 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Perry vs DaveH DAVEH:  I'm not exactly sure of your question, Lance.But as I view it, the position of many TTers is analogous to the Jews of Bible times.  In the OT, Scripture gave them a percepti

Re: [TruthTalk] Perry vs DaveH

2005-06-02 Thread Lance Muir
nks,   Lance  From: Dave Hansen To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: June 02, 2005 01:56 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Perry vs DaveH DAVEH:  I'm a little too slow (and too tired) to ascertain your intended message, Lance.  If you want me to understand what you are tryi

Re: [TruthTalk] Perry vs DaveH

2005-06-02 Thread Dave Hansen
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: June 02, 2005 01:56 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Perry vs DaveH DAVEH:  I'm a little too slow (and too tired) to ascertain your intended message, Lance.  If you want me to understand what you are trying to convey, put it in more simple terms

Re: [TruthTalk] Perry vs DaveH

2005-06-02 Thread Lance Muir
glory.org Sent: June 02, 2005 09:58 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Perry vs DaveH Lance Muir wrote: DH asks: 1. Did Jesus' ...By some, yes. Your counterpart would be:The reindentification of 'who jesus is' by JS. One need not extend this thinking far

Re: [TruthTalk] Perry vs DaveH

2005-06-02 Thread Dave Hansen
thus far. Then, please let me know your opinion/thoughts. - Original Message - From: Dave Hansen To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: June 02, 2005 09:58 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Perry vs DaveH Lance Muir wrote:

Re: [TruthTalk] Perry vs DaveH

2005-06-02 Thread Blainerb473
In a message dated 6/1/2005 9:09:01 PM Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Satan is an imitator.  And a liar.  So was JS.  He never entered into The Kingdom for sure. Izzy   Blaine:  Is this your best shot Izzy?  If it is, I'd say you are struggling.          

Re: [TruthTalk] Perry vs DaveH

2005-06-02 Thread Blainerb473
In a message dated 6/1/2005 9:09:01 PM Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: By crafty, I was referring to what I call Priestcraft   Blaine:  Priestcraft is, by my definition, using preaching and/or teaching the gospel as a means of making a living.  Mormon priests are  lay pri

Re: [TruthTalk] Perry vs DaveH

2005-06-02 Thread Blainerb473
     Isaiah 29 11  "And the vision of all is become unto you as the word of a book that is sealed, which men deliver to one that is learned, saying, Read this, I pray thee; and he saith, I cannot, for it is sealed. 12  And the book is delivered to him that is not learned, saying, Read this

RE: [TruthTalk] Perry vs DaveH

2005-06-03 Thread ShieldsFamily
Dave, you are too much of a gentleman to ever be boring. J Izzy   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dave Hansen Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2005 9:57 PM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Perry vs DaveH   DAVEH:   Time is my

RE: [TruthTalk] Perry vs DaveH

2005-06-03 Thread ShieldsFamily
I think I also mentioned adulterer.  That’s enough for me.  Maybe not for you. Iz   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2005 11:54 PM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Perry vs DaveH

Re: [TruthTalk] Perry vs DaveH

2005-06-03 Thread Lance Muir
So then, does worshiping a book make one an idolater? Are such on an equal footing with a liar? I'm only askin' mind ya. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: June 03, 2005 01:53 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Perry v

Re: [TruthTalk] Perry vs DaveH

2005-06-03 Thread Lance Muir
On considering the source:Every one of us does that when we look at the source name for a post, do we not? - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: June 03, 2005 02:08 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Perry vs DaveH In a

Re: [TruthTalk] Perry vs DaveH

2005-06-03 Thread Lance Muir
Dave Hansen To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: June 02, 2005 23:57 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Perry vs DaveH DAVEH:   Time is my biggest enemy, Lance.  I started a big reply to one of DavidM's posts about 3 or 4 weeks ago, and it is only half finished.  Right now I&#

Re: [TruthTalk] Perry vs DaveH

2005-06-03 Thread David Miller
Blaine wrote: > When one who practices priestcraft sees his income > being diminished because his patrons are being converted > to Mormonism, he strikes out against the religion, hoping > to destroy it. This is the source of most present-day > Mormon bashing. Very interesting thoughts, Blaine. T

Re: [TruthTalk] Perry vs DaveH

2005-06-03 Thread Kevin Deegan
Joe was a WARLOCK with all the tools of the craft. Even SOME Mormons can admit it is so. http://www.signaturebooks.com/magic.htm By drawing only on authorized descriptions of the endowment by LDS leaders, I believe it is possible to see within historical context how the Mormon endowment reflected t

RE: [TruthTalk] Perry vs DaveH

2005-06-03 Thread ShieldsFamily
I don’t know anyone who worships a book.  Do you? Iz   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir Sent: Friday, June 03, 2005 4:18 AM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Perry vs DaveH   So then, does worshiping a book

Re: [TruthTalk] Perry vs DaveH

2005-06-03 Thread Kevin Deegan
This is not a Prophecy of the Book of Mormon. Read the context Blaine.[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:      Isaiah 29 11  "And the vision of all is become unto you as the word of a book that is sealed, which men deliver to one that is learned, saying, Read this, I pray thee; and he saith, I cannot, for

RE: [TruthTalk] Perry vs DaveH

2005-06-03 Thread Kevin Deegan
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2005 11:54 PMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: Re: [TruthTalk] Perry vs DaveH   In a message dated 6/1/2005 9:09:01 PM Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Satan is an imitator.  And a

Re: [TruthTalk] Perry vs DaveH

2005-06-03 Thread Kevin Deegan
] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: June 03, 2005 01:53 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Perry vs DaveH In a message dated 6/1/2005 9:09:01 PM Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Satan is an imitator.  And a liar.  So was JS.  He never entered into The Kingdom for sure. Izzy   Blaine:  I

Re: [TruthTalk] Perry vs DaveH

2005-06-03 Thread Lance Muir
Yes. - Original Message - From: ShieldsFamily To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: June 03, 2005 08:01 Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Perry vs DaveH I don’t know anyone who worships a book.  Do you? Iz   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto

Re: [TruthTalk] Perry vs DaveH

2005-06-03 Thread Charles Perry Locke
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Blaine wrote: Priestcraft is, by my definition, ... Here we go again...the mormons like to make up their own meanings for words, to suit thier own personal perception of the world. I call this the "Queen of Hearts" syndrome: "Words mean exactly what I want them to

Re: [TruthTalk] Perry vs DaveH

2005-06-03 Thread Dave Hansen
DAVEH:    Izzy...Your kindness is only exceeded by your beauty! ShieldsFamily wrote: Dave, you are too much of a gentleman to ever be boring. J Izzy -- ~~~ Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.langlitz.com ~~~ If you wish to receive thi

Re: [TruthTalk] Perry vs DaveH

2005-06-03 Thread Kevin Deegan
Very interesting but erroneous!   The source for most "Mormon Bashing" is lost income?? One would have to be inculcated with a doctrine that says all "priests" that receive income are an abomination. Thus LDS use LAY workers. I won't call them preachers cause they can't even preach mormonism. I

Re: [TruthTalk] Perry vs DaveH

2005-06-03 Thread knpraise
Paaleezzz.  Do your lips crack when puckered that tightly?    JD    :-)  -Original Message-From: Dave Hansen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Fri, 03 Jun 2005 07:03:28 -0700Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Perry vs DaveH DAVEH:    Izzy.

RE: [TruthTalk] Perry vs DaveH

2005-06-03 Thread ShieldsFamily
Congratulations.   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir Sent: Friday, June 03, 2005 6:34 AM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Perry vs DaveH   Yes. - Original Message - From: ShieldsFamily

RE: [TruthTalk] Perry vs DaveH

2005-06-03 Thread ShieldsFamily
Dave might just win a free eye exam from my Hubby! J Iz   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 03, 2005 11:03 AM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Perry vs DaveH

Re: [TruthTalk] Perry vs DaveH

2005-06-03 Thread knpraise
: ShieldsFamily <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Fri, 3 Jun 2005 13:23:30 -0500Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Perry vs DaveH Dave might just win a free eye exam from my Hubby! J Iz   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Friday

Re: [TruthTalk] Perry vs DaveH

2005-06-03 Thread Blainerb473
In a message dated 6/1/2005 1:34:33 PM Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The mormons have their JSmith; the J.Witnesses have their CT Russell, theChristian Scientists have their Mary Baker Eddy; the RCC's have their Pope,and the Incarnationalists have their "Bishop". 

Re: [TruthTalk] Perry vs DaveH

2005-06-03 Thread Blainerb473
So, what is your definition of "priestcraft,"  Perry? Blaine     In a message dated 6/3/2005 7:17:13 AM Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]>Blaine wrote:  Priestcraft is, by my definition, ...   Here we go again...the mormons like to make up their

Re: [TruthTalk] Perry vs DaveH

2005-06-03 Thread Blainerb473
Behalf Of Lance MuirSent: Friday, June 03, 2005 4:18 AMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: Re: [TruthTalk] Perry vs DaveH   So then, does worshiping a book make one an idolater? Are such on an equal footing with a liar? I'm only askin' mind ya.

Re: [TruthTalk] Perry vs DaveH

2005-06-04 Thread David Miller
Blaine wrote: > You are using the "guilt by association" approach > to reasoning, which is false reasoning, and shameful > for anyone to have to resort to it. Are you sure that "guilt by association" is false reasoning? Don't you use the same reasoning in the very next sentence? Blaine wrote: >

Re: [TruthTalk] Perry vs DaveH

2005-06-04 Thread Lance Muir
ends what will matter is whether or not Jesus identifies you as a Christian. - Original Message - From: "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: June 04, 2005 08:39 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Perry vs DaveH > Blaine wrote: > > You are using the "guilt by

Re: [TruthTalk] Perry vs DaveH

2005-06-04 Thread David Miller
Lance wrote: > We may have unamimity on my next observation (?): > At the end of all ends what will matter is whether > or not Jesus identifies you as a Christian. Amen, Lance. Well said. Whether or not we know Jesus is not nearly as important as whether or not Jesus knows us. Peace be with yo

Re: [TruthTalk] Perry vs DaveH

2005-06-04 Thread knpraise
truction.       JD     -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Sat, 4 Jun 2005 01:29:00 EDTSubject: Re: [TruthTalk] Perry vs DaveH In a message dated 6/1/2005 1:34:33 PM Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The mormons have their JSmit

RE: [TruthTalk] Perry vs DaveH

2005-06-04 Thread ShieldsFamily
Blaine, it’s only “shameful if I’m wrong”.  And I’m not.  One day you will wish with all your heart that you had heeded the warnings you have been given here on TT.  Izzy   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] You are using the "guil

Re: [TruthTalk] Perry vs DaveH

2005-06-04 Thread Lance Muir
David has given you a more appropriate answer than Izzie but, she has a good heart? (I think so, anyway) - Original Message - From: ShieldsFamily To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: June 04, 2005 10:44 Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Perry vs DaveH Blaine, it

Re: [TruthTalk] Perry vs DaveH

2005-06-04 Thread Charles Perry Locke
t: Re: [TruthTalk] Perry vs DaveH Date: Sat, 4 Jun 2005 01:37:52 EDT So, what is your definition of "priestcraft," Perry? Blaine In a message dated 6/3/2005 7:17:13 AM Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Blaine wrote: Priestcraft is, by my defini

Re: [TruthTalk] Perry vs DaveH

2005-06-04 Thread Terry Clifton
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mester Blaine:   Jesus, indeed, is the same.  The notion that he has spoken in this dispensation is apparently given credence (in your thinking) because of the claim to fame  --  4th largest denomination.  What does the comparison of numbers mean when you compa

Re: [TruthTalk] Perry vs DaveH

2005-06-04 Thread Terry Clifton
Lance Muir wrote: David has given you a more appropriate answer than Izzie but, she has a good heart? (I think so, anyway) === Izzy is the re-incarnation of miss Kitty on Gunsmoke.  Tough as nails, heart of gold.  Wi

RE: [TruthTalk] Perry vs DaveH

2005-06-04 Thread ShieldsFamily
    = Well done, John!!  Especially that last sentence. Terry   Ditto! Iz        

Re: [TruthTalk] Perry vs DaveH

2005-06-04 Thread David Miller
0:02 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Perry vs DaveH Mester Blaine:   Jesus, indeed, is the same.  The notion that he has spoken in this dispensation is apparently given credence (in your thinking) because of the claim to fame  --  4th largest denomination.  What does the comparison

Re: [TruthTalk] Perry vs DaveH

2005-06-04 Thread Dave
DAVEH:  Denial granted.     Does Izzy not shine so brightly that you cannot see her luster, John? [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ahh  --  so it was grafted that served as the motivation.   Of course DAvH will deny tis  --  but the facts are now on the table.     Another reason

Re: [TruthTalk] Perry vs DaveH

2005-06-04 Thread knpraise
This goes on a wall in a frame  !!!  Thank you.  -Original Message-From: David Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Sat, 4 Jun 2005 14:06:50 -0400Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Perry vs DaveH I think I am going to like the "new John.&

Re: [TruthTalk] Perry vs DaveH

2005-06-04 Thread Dave
DAVEH:  According to the dictionary definition, it's obvious Blaine was not making it up as your below assertion, Perry ...Will Blaine receive a forthcoming apology? Charles Perry Locke wrote: I never use the term, and have no definition. But if I wanted one I would see if there

Re: [TruthTalk] Perry vs DaveH

2005-06-04 Thread Dave
DAVEH:  FWIW Perry, you may be the one trying to change the culture (see below), so to speak.  As I pointed out, there are many definitions of teach, but the one I feel is appropriate for TT agrees with what DavidM posted today about the meaning of teaching (sermonizing).. DavidM wrote: A

Re: [TruthTalk] Perry vs DaveH

2005-06-04 Thread Charles Perry Locke
erry From: Dave <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Perry vs DaveH Date: Sat, 04 Jun 2005 12:33:09 -0700 DAVEH: According to the dictionary definition, it's obvious Blaine was not making it up as your below as

Re: [TruthTalk] Perry vs DaveH

2005-06-04 Thread Charles Perry Locke
Dave, pick a definition, any definition. Just don't pick one that labels what you do as "teaching". From: Dave <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Perry vs DaveH Date: Sat, 04 Jun 2005 13:06:0

Re: [TruthTalk] Perry vs DaveH

2005-06-04 Thread Dave
DAVEH: I seeyou want to define teaching by using me as an example, eh Perry. Instead of spinning it that way, I chose to use a definition consistent with my perception of what teaching means to TTers. You might consider it to be culturally and contextually more meaningful. Charles Perry

Re: [TruthTalk] Perry vs DaveH

2005-06-04 Thread Dave
tion of Priestcraft is" I could not have made the assertion I made. Perry From: Dave <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Perry vs DaveH Date: Sat, 04 Jun 2005 12:33:09 -0700

Re: [TruthTalk] Perry vs DaveH

2005-06-04 Thread Kevin Deegan
The sodomites are growing fast are they right too?   Jo was not guilty by association, but by his own IMMORAL behavior![EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 6/1/2005 1:34:33 PM Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The mormons have their JSmith; the J.Witnesses have their CT Ru

RE: [TruthTalk] Perry vs DaveH

2005-06-04 Thread Kevin Deegan
It is the ENEMIES of the Cross that are headed to Destruction that should be ASHAMED. Phil 3:18-19ShieldsFamily <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Blaine, it’s only “shameful if I’m wrong”.  And I’m not.  One day you will wish with all your heart that you had heeded the warnings you have been give

Re: [TruthTalk] Perry vs DaveH

2005-06-05 Thread Kevin Deegan
or " the definition of Priestcraft is" I could not have made the assertion I made. Perry From: Dave <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Perry vs DaveH Date: Sat, 04 Jun 2005 12:33:09 -0700 DAVEH:  Accor

Re: [TruthTalk] Perry vs DaveH

2005-06-05 Thread Blainerb473
  Lance, You seem capable of objective thought, so you earn an "A" for that, at least, in my little mental roll book.  Blaine   In a message dated 6/4/2005 7:14:39 AM Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Lance wrote:> We may have unamimity on my next observation (?):> At t

Re: [TruthTalk] Perry vs DaveH

2005-06-05 Thread Blainerb473
  David, Hmm, I see your point, but yours is a special case, wouldn't you say?  I have to say your point is actually weak.  Associatiing JS with other false priests, is a bad association no matter how you look at it.  JS gave  dates, descriptions of what took place, etc,  which none of thes

Re: [TruthTalk] Perry vs DaveH

2005-06-05 Thread Kevin Deegan
 I'd hate to judge these people as being falsely motivated.    Just those people? No problem accusing others of false motivation. Do you have a special gift?[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:   David, Hmm, I see your point, but yours is a special case, wouldn't you say?  I have to say your point is actual

Re: [TruthTalk] Perry vs DaveH

2005-06-05 Thread Dave Hansen
ience such that it enables you to set aside every other consideration concerning LDS? - Original Message - From: Dave Hansen To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: June 02, 2005 23:57 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Perry vs DaveH DAVEH:   Time is my bi

Re: [TruthTalk] Perry vs DaveH

2005-06-05 Thread Dave Hansen
@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Perry vs DaveH DAVEH:   The problem as I see it, who is the arbiter of truth on TT, Izzy.  Is there anybody here you would say expounds nothing but truth? ShieldsFamily wrote: Only to condemn those who heard the truth but did not heed

Re: [TruthTalk] Perry vs DaveH

2005-06-06 Thread Lance Muir
ion? - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: June 05, 2005 22:09 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Perry vs DaveH   David, Hmm, I see your point, but yours is a special case, wouldn't you say?  I have to say your point

Re: [TruthTalk] Perry vs DaveH

2005-06-06 Thread Lance Muir
 Read my post to Blaine. - Original Message - From: Dave Hansen To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: June 06, 2005 02:44 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Perry vs DaveH DAVEH:  ???   Please restate it so a simple minded guy (like me) can understand your question

Re: [TruthTalk] Perry vs DaveH

2005-06-06 Thread Judy Taylor
Because men love darkness so much that they will not come to the light so that their deeds may be made manifest.   On Sun, 05 Jun 2005 23:49:00 -0700 Dave Hansen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: The Bible speaks for itself.DAVEH:    Are you sure about that, Izzy???  If so, why are there so

Re: [TruthTalk] Perry vs DaveH

2005-06-06 Thread Lance Muir
05:07 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Perry vs DaveH Because men love darkness so much that they will not come to the light so that their deeds may be made manifest.   On Sun, 05 Jun 2005 23:49:00 -0700 Dave Hansen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: The Bible speaks for itself.D

Re: [TruthTalk] Perry vs DaveH

2005-06-06 Thread Judy Taylor
The Bible does speak for itself to those who are willing to come to the light and agree with Him, covenanting to follow Him and to do things His way rather than take on a form of godliness in His name.   On Mon, 6 Jun 2005 05:26:58 -0400 "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: The Bible do

Re: [TruthTalk] Perry vs DaveH

2005-06-06 Thread Lance Muir
hTalk@mail.innglory.org Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: June 06, 2005 05:42 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Perry vs DaveH The Bible does speak for itself to those who are willing to come to the light and agree with Him, covenanting to follow Him and to do things His way r

Re: [TruthTalk] Perry vs DaveH

2005-06-06 Thread Judy Taylor
All TT demonstrates is that different ppl are at different places in their pilgrimage through this world. Some are entering the Kingdom and others have chosen a different path. You need to read the parable fo the wheat and the tares Lance.  There are a lot of tares around, so what does their

Re: [TruthTalk] Perry vs DaveH

2005-06-06 Thread Lance Muir
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Perry vs DaveH All TT demonstrates is that different ppl are at different places in their pilgrimage through this world. Some are entering the Kingdom and others have chosen a different path. You need to read the parable fo the wheat and the tares Lanc

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