versus condemnation-David Miller
Again Young Woman's Journal was an OFFICIAL Church publicationDAVEH: ??? Huh?...Where did you get that, Kevin? I don't know why I bother discussing LDS matters with youespecially after I said that I wouldn't do so further. But you just kee
CONTEXT Dave read THE WHOLE PAGE!
Context is very important.
"The Young Woman's Journal", an LDS magazine of the 1890s. The article is dated "Feb 6, 1892". http://www.lds-mormon.com/moon.shtml
http://www.press.uillinois.edu/epub/books/walker/02.html
the Mormon church had its own official and
Again Young Woman's Journal was an OFFICIAL
Church publication
DAVEH: ??? Huh?...Where did you get that, Kevin? I don't know
why I bother discussing LDS matters with youespecially after I said
that I wouldn't do so further. But you just keep sucking me
in! If you continue
You might find interesting how another Mormon saw this:
LDS Respondent says:
Patriarchal blessings concerning `moon-men'These statements meant basically everyone in the universe. See in the LDS Church we don't believe that God has limited his ability to create mankind on this puny little earth.
Again Young Woman's Journal was an OFFICIAL Church publication it was not printed in some cave! The organization "Young Ladies' Mutual Improvement Associations of Zion" was OVERSEEN by church officials what is the problem with your documents? Just opinions that can't be trusted because they contrad
Judy Taylor wrote:
On Tue, 25 Oct 2005 00:20:16 -0700 Dave Hansen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Is this really part of accepted Mormon
doctrine?
DAVEH: No Judy, it is not part of Mormon Doctrine. It is just that
some anti-Mormon folks want people to think it i
, 2005
7:16 PM
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk]
Restoration versus condemnation-David Miller
Good thinking,Dean. You did what pleases the
Lord.
Terry
Dean Moore wrote:
cd: When debating DaveH I have learned to notice the
little things and viewed the back stabbing
Good thinking,Dean. You did what pleases the Lord.
Terry
Dean Moore wrote:
cd: When debating DaveH I have learned to notice the
little things and viewed the back stabbing remark as a way of
suggesting it was a part of my nature-but it is very possible that I
read into the remark s
DAVEH: Thank you for the apology, Dean. I appreciate your humility
in this, and you have my forgiveness. I shan't mention it again, nor
remember it was at one time an issue. (And with my bad memorythat
won't be hard.) :-)
Dean Moore wrote:
cd: When debating DaveH I ha
ask his forgiveness for accusing him of making the back stabbing remark.
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cd wrote > DaveH On 10/14/05 5:33:33pm
3-16 -Original Message-From: Kevin Deegan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 09:41:46 -0700 (PDT)Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Restoration versus condemnation-David Miller
You are so WITTY, even if you say so yourself.
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You are so WITTY, even if you say so yourself.
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Stop making lite of the substantial difference between mormonism an
s is
> relevant.
>
>
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> >To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
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> Miller
> >Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 09:41:56 -0400
> >
> &g
Stop making lite of the substantial difference between mormonism and
true Christianity with your JIVE TALKIN
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> 2 - 15--- substance v personal jive
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Yahoo! FareChase: Search multiple travel sites
John, can you provide a little more context for the statement below? Perhaps
I have not been following very closed the thread to which this is relevant.
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2 - 15 --- substance v personal jive
Hebrew translation of "Pele Heylel" is "Marvelous Lucifer"!(4)
There is something strange going on in Joe's house, David.
Perry
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SPACED OUT or Inspired you decide:
Space Missionary O B Huntington said "In my Patriarchal blessing, given by the father of Joseph the Prophet, in Kirtland, 1837, I was told that I would preach the gospel to the inhabitants upon the islands of the sea, and -- to the inhabitants of the moon, even
Now that man has walked on the Moon, there can be no doubt that there aren't any 6 foot tall Quakers roaming its surface.
Maybe they were missed because they were on the dark side
Judy Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
More delusional statements made by Mormon leadership (see fact #17)
F
Dean don't you know you must be PERFECT in ALL of your statements.
If you make a mistake it gives LDS folks a excuse to negate ALL you ever say.
Too bad they do not apply that same STANDARD to any LDS statements.
DH relax it was only Deans "PERSONAL OPINION"Dave Hansen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote
What does it matter if it is doctrine or not.
Of course it is not.
The problem is not only joe but also brigham and others said such Ludicrous things.
Some were said in sermons which brigham said were "scripture"
In sermon he said there are inhabitants on the Sun
How about the Standard Works talki
On Tue, 25 Oct 2005 00:20:16 -0700 Dave Hansen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Is this really part of accepted Mormon
doctrine?DAVEH: No Judy, it is not part of Mormon
Doctrine. It is just that some anti-Mormon folks want people to think it
is a part of our theology.
I don't
It appears as though Dean isn't the only one
hallucinating about this Daveh, the following are quotes and prophecies by
Joseph Smith taken from a Christian Apologetics
site; sounds to me as though JS himself was the delusional one.
Joseph Smith
said that there are men living on the moon wh
Dave, you just don't quit, do you.
DAVEH: That's right Perry...It's one of my weaknesses. I don't
quit as long as others keep pushing.
Now you are implying that I am not a clear thinking American. Nice
jab
DAVEH: It does seem that way, eh! Look at what you said to John
about my sm
DAVEH: LOL AgainMore humor, Dean.I'm impressed! You
are getting better at this. Keep a smile on your face and keep posting
stuff like this. It's much better than your other tactics, which
weren't doing you any favors IMO. You've even got me chuckling a
couple times tonight.
DAVEH: LOL.Glad to see you've maintained a little sense of
humor, Dean! :-)
Dean Moore wrote:
Z .
cd: Hey -Wake up!!!
DAVEH: The proof is in the pudding, Dean. JS did not claim to see
6'2" Quakers on the moon. Nor did he claim there were 6'4" Quakers on
the moon. Nor did he claim there were 7' Quakers on the moon. Those
were apparently all figments of your imagination, Dean. If you were
not hallucinati
Is this really part of accepted Mormon doctrine?
DAVEH: No Judy, it is not part of Mormon Doctrine. It is just that
some anti-Mormon folks want people to think it is a part of our
theology.
Judy Taylor wrote:
cd: By the way -You are claiming I have hallucinations now.
DaveH I am n
DAVEH: There's the problem, Dean. When I asked you the question, Are
you hallucinating again, Dean?, you automatically assume that I am
accusing you of hallucinating. That's not the case at all. It is a
rhetorical question, not an accusation. You are just saying things
that I would thin
you stated..."and pray you would change your back stabbing ways"
DAVEH: Wow, Dean. You have now presented us with an interesting
question to ponder. You posted a few of my words (above) taken wholly
out of context, which diametrically changed their meaning to exactly
the opposite of what I
I opened up by apologizing for using a term that someone else
thought was an ad-hom, and Dave took full advantage of the opportunity
to deride me about it for several days.
DAVEH: Sounds like you might be hallucinating again, Perry. While my
memory certainly isn't as sharp as it used to be,
The kettle calling the pot black. -Original Message-From: Kevin Deegan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 13:21:12 -0700 (PDT)Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Restoration versus condemnation-David Miller
LOL This is not the first time DH has use
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LOL This is not the first time DH has used this tack.
Something like, I did not specifically call you a doper nor did I use that exact word therefore it is OK to impune your character
Sadly this seems to be a standard Mormon defense mechanism
along with the Victim defense "quit attacking us with t
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Sent: 10/24/2005 1:37:15 PM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Restoration versus condemnation-David Miller
Z .
cd: Hey -Wake up
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From: Judy Taylor
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: 10/24/2005 10:32:15 AM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Restoration versus condemnation-David Miller
cd: By the way -You are claiming I have hallucinations now. DaveH I am
-David Miller
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Sent: 10/24/2005 10:01:33 AM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Restoration versus condemnation-David Miller
Honestly , Perry, this is clearly a tongue in cheek sort of thing. It is humor. I doubt that anyo
Dave, you just don't quit, do you. In your statements below you appear to
apologize, while continuing to abase my character...get this...
DAVEH: I'm sorry you feel that way, Perry. I thought it to be pretty
well understood my most clear thinking Americans that asking that (smoking)
questio
welcome
humor directed at someone other than yourself, those on the recieving end
may not.
Perry
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cd: By the way -You are claiming I have hallucinations now. DaveH I am
notthe one seeing 6'2" men dressed as Quakers on the moon quacking at
peopleas they journey back from vacation on their way home to the sun
(rushing toget there before dark).By the way the7' quakers are on the dark
side
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Sent: 10/24/2005 10:01:33 AM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Restoration versus condemnation-David Miller
Honestly , Perry, this is clearly a tongue in cheek sort of thing. It is humor. I doubt that anyone now
> >/_*
> >
> >DAVEH: Are you hallucinating again, Dean? I never insulted you by
> >calling you a drug user, or backstabber. I certainly might have asked
you
> >what you were smoking, as some of the claims you make are so screwed up
> >that they sound as if they are from somebody who's mind
DAVEH: I'm sorry you feel that way, Perry. I thought it to be pretty
well understood my most clear thinking Americans that asking that
(smoking) question is a joking way to point out the ludicrousness of
what they said. It was not at all intended to imply that either you or
Dean were dope
> [Original Message]
> From: Charles Perry Locke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To:
> Date: 10/24/2005 8:43:37 AM
> Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Restoration versus condemnation-David Miller
>
> Dave, you asked Dean what he had been smoking. That is tantamount to
calling
> h
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Dave, you asked Dean what
he had been smoking. That is tantamount to calling him a drug user. You
accused me of the same. >From: Dave Hansen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
thTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 05:43:37 -0700Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Restoration versus condemnation-David Miller
Dave, you asked Dean what he had been smoking. That is tantamount to calling him a drug user. You accused me of the same. >From: Dave Hansen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >R
Dave, you asked Dean what he had been smoking. That is tantamount to calling
him a drug user. You accused me of the same.
From: Dave Hansen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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ean Moore wrote:
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From:
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Hansen
To:
TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent:
10/19/2005 10:17:04 PM
Subject:
Re: [TruthTalk] Restoration versus condemnation-David Miller
DAVEH: I think it might be remotely related
to the Lor
You Mormons do that on this site-just
drooling at the mouth to convert a Christian to hell.
DAVEH: Am I detecting a hint of froth on your
lips, Dean.?
the Mormons flock to the one getting angry
and is losing in the debate and the group is against -to be his"
friend"-then they n
I read you loud and clear.
JD -Original Message-From: Dave Hansen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 00:22:07 -0700Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Restoration versus condemnation-David Miller
I think it is important to understand that in the &q
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From: Dave Hansen
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: 10/21/2005 2:54:42 AM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Restoration versus condemnation-David Miller
Tell me this- why do you hold your sin so tightly-what has it ever done for you PaganDAVEH: I do not
hat.
>You can ask DaveH if he is
aware of my stance on his beliefs, but I'd guess
>he is quite aware. izzy >
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>
y.
Dean Moore wrote:
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Sent:
10/20/2005 12:20:47 AM
Subject:
Re: [TruthTalk] Restoration versus condemnation-David Miller
DAVEH: Unless anther TTer steps to the plat
Charles Perry Locke wrote:
DAVEH: No. I was merely trying to inject a measure of humor (denoted
by the :-D ) into the discussion, as you guys seem to get so serious
that you apparently believe some of the stuff you post that is way off
the wall.
Someyimes it is a thin line betwe
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From: Dave Hansen
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: 10/19/2005 10:17:04 PM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Restoration versus condemnation-David Miller
DAVEH: I think it might be remotely related to the Lord talking about turning the other cheek. Or
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From: Dave Hansen
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: 10/20/2005 12:20:47 AM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Restoration versus condemnation-David Miller
DAVEH: Unless anther TTer steps to the plate to admit they also felt as you do, Dean.I'll take
From: Dave Hansen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Charles Perry Locke wrote:
First, I would never ever expect you to admit it if a mere "protestant"
said anything that ever shook your faith. Never. You hold too tightly to
your heresy to ever do that. Your responses to Deans posts brought to mind
the demo
If we espoused heresy I guess you might be upset, too!
DAVEH: Once again you have fail to grasp my perspective, Perry. I
have heard plenty of heresy, and it does not upset me at all. I'm not
the judge, jury or executioner...I'll leave such things to the
Lord. But, I do find those thin
9:53:20 AM
Subject:
Re: [TruthTalk] Restoration versus condemnation-David Miller
cd: I wasn't the only
one with this opinion-at the time so was DavidM-
DAVEH: Really??!?! I don't recall anybody else expressing similar
sentiments. How do you know there were oth
e Hansen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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* I saw a bit of awe and fear in DaveH's responses t
re of my stance on his beliefs, but I'd guess >he is quite aware. izzy > >-Original Message- >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Charles Perry Locke >Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2005 6:28 PM >To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org >Subject: Re:
DAVEH: I think it might be remotely related to the Lord talking about
turning the other cheek. Orcould that judge not that ye be
not judged passage have some relevance.?
Dean Moore wrote:
In your heart you feel your way is the right
way, and in TT there is room for
JD
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> From: ShieldsFamily <[EMAIL PROTECTED]com>
> To: <TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org>
> Date: 10/18/
demnation-David
Miller
> [Original Message]
> From: ShieldsFamily <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> Date: 10/18/2005 10:06:59 PM
> Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Restoration versus condemnation-David Miller
>
> May I take issue
but
yourself.
Perry
From: Dave Hansen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
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Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2005 00:01:44 -0700
* I saw a bit of awe and fear in DaveH
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From: Dave Hansen
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
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Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Restoration versus condemnation-David Miller
cd: I wasn't the only one with this opinion-at the time so was DavidM-DAVEH: Really??!?! I don
Dave, the short answer is that I guess you espouse mormon heresy, it upsets
many of us Christians to hear it. If we espoused heresy I guess you might be
upset, too! It is natural, when a Christian hears things that contradict the
Bible and present a false jesus and false god, to revile and to ch
> [Original Message]
> From: ShieldsFamily <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To:
> Date: 10/18/2005 10:06:59 PM
> Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Restoration versus condemnation-David Miller
>
> May I take issue with that statement, Perry? If you mean that not
countering
> ev
sage -
From:
Dave
Hansen
To:
TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent:
10/19/2005 2:47:59 AM
Subject:
Re: [TruthTalk] Restoration versus condemnation-David Miller
I
person saw Miller lead a young man to God and right as salvation was
being had-Evil daveH steps and the
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From: Dave Hansen
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: 10/19/2005 2:47:59 AM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Restoration versus condemnation-David Miller
I person saw Miller lead a young man to God and right as salvation was being had-Evil daveH steps and the
I saw a bit of awe and fear in DaveH's responses to Dean that
revealed to me the effectiveness of Dean in that mormon's life.
DAVEH: Whew...!!! You must be smoking the same stuff as
Brother Dean, Perry! You guys are turning TT into a comedy club. :-D
I've got to know.
I person saw Miller lead a
young man to God and right as salvation was being had-Evil daveH steps
and the moment was lost-Now the poor man will more than likely go to
hell
DAVEH: I do believe you are having delusions of grandeur, Brother
Dean! LOLThat's my nephew Jeff you are refer
uite aware. izzy
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Allowing heresy to go unchall
t I'd guess
he is quite aware. izzy
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2005 6:28 PM
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Allow
John writes in -Original Message-From: Charles Perry Locke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Tue, 18 Oct 2005 07:03:38 -0700Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Restoration versus condemnation-David Miller
Lance, the issue is not a fear that anyone will "abando
Allowing heresy to go unchallenged is tacit acceptance. In this respect we
are all guilty, including myself.
From: "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Restoration versus condemnation-David Miller
Date: Tue, 18 O
ry Locke" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Sent: October 18, 2005 10:03
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Lance, the issue is not a fear that anyone will "abandon the faith",
although that is possible, it is that heretical tenets will be introdu
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From: Lance Muir
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: 10/18/2005 7:39:22 AM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Restoration versus condemnation-David Miller
Dean:
I've had no sense whatsoever of any on TT EVER having been moved to abandon 'the
see complacency and acceptance of such heresy, even
acceptance of pagans as brothers in Christ.
Perry
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Date: Tue, 18 Oct 200
s. IMO, none has failed to note the
differences.
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From:
Dean
Moore
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: October 18, 2005 07:23
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Restoration
versus condemnation-David Miller
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To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: 10/17/2005 2:45:55 AM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Restoration versus condemnation
DAVEH: Thank you for sharing your honest feelings with me, Dean. I did not realize you only came back now and then to
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