Ric,
I want to publicly thank you for confronting the use of a straw man.
One of the reasons that this technique is so ubiquitous is to intimidate
and silence everyone else.
Tony knows that he will never silence or intimidate me. He is trying to
send a message to the rest of the list and
Dear Glenn,
I appreciate your gratitude and quite concur with your astute identification of
straw man bullying. I hope you are mistaken about Tony's message being all
about power and still hope that he will come to his senses and apologize for
his unfair behaviors in attacking you, and then
Rick,
I tend to be optimistic. For over a decade, I worked with serious drug
addicts and ex-prisoners. Only those of us with abundant optimism
manage to do that work successfully-haha.
Darco seems reasonable and I hope he considers our criticism
constructively. I think it's out of
[mailto:owner-univc...@list.purple.com] On
Behalf Of Richard Conrad
Sent: Friday, April 29, 2011 12:43 AM
To: Anthony West
Cc: UnivCity@list.purple.com
Subject: Re: [UC] Clark Park Secrecy, 01-11
You are reading in. You don't play fair. You just can't admit it.
Glenn does not say as Darco implied
Lemme see if I have this straight.
Real-state investor uses a soapbox to yell about crazy, baseless
conspiracy theories. Most of the evidence offered rests on assertions,
suppositions, insinuations, and claims of fact that evaporate beyond
the guy's say-so. There's also a comical insistence that
, that is the Philly
way when it comes to politics.
-Original Message-
From: owner-univc...@list.purple.com [mailto:owner-univc...@list.purple.com] On
Behalf Of Brian Siano
Sent: Friday, April 29, 2011 1:16 PM
Cc: UnivCity@list.purple.com
Subject: Re: [UC] Clark Park Secrecy, 01-11
Lemme see if I have
On 4/29/2011 12:30 PM, Lalevic, Darco wrote:
I apologize for any misinterpretation on my part, however the general
tone of most of Glenn's emails is that the public is excluded from use
of the park, of which I have seen little evidence
Darco,
You just did it again. Maybe if you would work
On 4/29/11 12:30 PM, Lalevic, Darco wrote:
University City’s gentrification (I
don’t know what else to call it) over the last 15 years has had plenty
of positive as well as negative effects.
the main negative effect is that we now have a staunchly divided
neighborhood. and it's a big
In my years of experience on this listserv, I have found that the best way to
read Glenn's posts involve substituting Penn or UCD or Clark Park
Committee or whoever his bogeyman-du-jour is with the Martians, Sasquatch
or, occasionally, the pixies that live in my teeth. Then I picture him
Thank you Darco very much... I was really not expecting an apology (despite my
quixotic claim to the contrary), and even a terse, partial, and perhaps
conditional one felt rather warm and fuzzy to me... You reason well and speak
honestly and sincerely about your concerns but then you slam
One thing seems to ring true,
very sad, but sometimes also true I should say...
In the realm of political debate:
One often only does one's best work when one's adversaries make it
particularly difficult to do it!
Now, enough! Let us start to get along DAMN IT!
On Apr 29, 2011, at 5:47
Darco and Tony, There is a way to be sure we are getting onto the same page...
YOU HAVE SAID THAT NO ONE IS EXCLUDED FROM THE PARK.
SO THERE SHOULD BE NO PROBLEM WITH CONSTITUTIONALLY GUARANTEED RIGHTS
(eg.): TO PEACEABLE ASSEMBLY TO PETITION FOR REDRESS OF GRIEVANCES, BEING
EXERCISED
Dear Newcomers,
I'm glad many of you have an interest in the history behind the
privatization of Clark Park.Many long term West Philly residents didn't
have a reasonable chance to understand what was happening before the
fence went up, and neither could you.As we enter the 2^nd season of the
From: owner-univc...@list.purple.com [mailto:owner-univc...@list.purple.com] On
Behalf Of Glenn
Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2011 12:11 PM
To: UnivCity@list.purple.com
Subject: [UC] Clark Park Secrecy, 01-11
Dear Newcomers,
I'm glad many of you have an interest in the history behind
...@list.purple.com
[mailto:owner-univc...@list.purple.com] *On Behalf Of *Glenn
*Sent:* Thursday, April 28, 2011 12:11 PM
*To:* UnivCity@list.purple.com
*Subject:* [UC] Clark Park Secrecy, 01-11
Dear Newcomers,
I'm glad many of you have an interest in the history behind the
privatization of Clark Park
...@list.purple.com]
On Behalf Of Glenn
Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2011 12:11 PM
To: UnivCity@list.purple.com
Subject: [UC] Clark Park Secrecy, 01-11
Dear Newcomers,
I’m glad many of you have an interest in the history behind the
privatization of Clark Park. Many long term West Philly
Richard,
I would have to say Darco's reading is quite skilled. Glenn's
overwhelming evidence is either imaginary, or self-fabricated. The
10-year-old article he is fond of citing offers one (1) piece of hard
evidence that people were being excluded from Clark Park planning: an
unsupported,
On Apr 28, 2011, at 8:04 PM, Glenn wrote:
Also, can you respond in a few short sentences? I just want to know of one
example of someone being excluded from the park.
No, I will not answer your silly question. There is overwhelming evidence
that park stakeholders were barred from the
O.K. let's get real! Darco represents Glenn as saying soething he did not.
Darco asks:
do you have evidence of people being excluded from the park?
Glenn did not ever say in his communique that people were excluded from the
park.
Whether he said something else with which you disagree,
Richard,
I quote from Glenn's text, which Darco and I have read quite clearly:
The master plan for 'revitalization' of Clark Park was always a master
plan for secrecy, exclusion of the public, and Penn control!
Glenn has, for years, been publishing on this list false allegations
that
You are reading in. You don't play fair. You just can't admit it.
Glenn does not say as Darco implied that people were excluded from the park
(and actually people have been - you and everyone else can probably realize
that people are routinely told to leave the park, for sleeping overnight
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